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Fuck you, it was objectavely better than the original
Fallout 1?
U wot m8?
NV > 4 > 3
is the most popular opinion at the moment
You can't even compare 1 and 2 with 3 and 4, they're completely different games
>>333822230
Gameplay was better, settlement building had it's moments...everything else was fucking garbage
>>333822230
>objectavely
I don't understand what you're saying OP.
>>333822749
Fuck Far Harbor bullshit. NV remastered when?
>>333822230
2>1>NV>Tactics>3>4
2 and NV have the best dialogue and lore.
Convince me to play this dogshit by showing at least one Fallout 2 tier dialogue
>>333822935
>"It's me! I'm your old pal, Shamus McFuckyourself!"
>>333822902
1>2>NV>Tactics>3=4
>>333822935
>>333822876
That's what mods are for.
>>333822840
>firebombing of dresden
>firebombing of tokyo
>firebombing civilian centers
>hiroshima
>nagasaki
War crimes
>>333823117
without crashes and compatibility worked out for me pls. + finished legion.
>>333822230
which original
![U.S. Marines with captured Japanese flags at the Battle of Cape Gloucester (New Britain, Papua New Guinea - 1944) [2460x1552].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/a1Ko6jU.jpg "U.S. Marines with captured Japanese flags at the Battle of Cape Gloucester (New Britain, Papua New Guinea - 1944) [2460x1552].jpg")
>>333823263
Yeah. What are you gonna do about it pussy?
>>333822230
It's fun if you expected it to be shit.
It's shit if you expected it to be good.
>Objectavely
>>333823467
If anyone expects a modern Bethesda RPG to be good, they should get their fucking head examined.
>>333823334
Keep pointing out really
No one wants to insult "the greatest generation" - and everyone deflects the "allies committed warcrimes" issue by saying "nazis were ten times worse" as if thats some kind of justification.
Truth is that every side did something awful. We should understand and note that awful shit happened, not ignore it. not celebrate it.
War isn't something to celebrate - its something to be studied in all its awful detail so it stops happening.
>>333823467
I named mine "War Crime". This mod was pretty cool.
>>333823653
How long have you been waiting to say that? Only Turkish war crimes matter anyway.
>>333823653
What are you some kind of pinko commie socialist leftist pussy? Obviously war is amazing and we need another world war to turn our youth into manly men, nothing could possibly go wrong. Just look at World War 1, everyone thought it would be short and sweet, and it totally was.
>>333823801
>How long have you been waiting to say that?
I find war history fascinating. However, I've found that if you want to empathise with the axis, you have to...
>accept that people will assume your a nazi
>make sure to mention how bad the nazis were after every topic, after every sentence of every topic
>or remove the moral high ground
Honestly, it's best just to be called a nazi really
>>333823846
I didn't know Trump posted here!
>>333822230
im sorry anon that you like eating shit
>>333823263
>>333824098
The Wermacht were worth sympathizing. Do you sympathize with them, or the Nazis, because it looked like a more moderate Adolf Hitler could've gotten away with some extra land if he'd stayed away from Poland. I don't think the allies would've engaged first considering how war weary they still were.
>or remove the moral high ground
What moral high ground? Germany got fucked, but protesting payments and then getting attacked for it would have earned them the high ground.
>tfw completely ignorant about history
All I know about WW2 is that bad robot nazi were triumphed over by mutant bears from Chernobyl and american eagles
>>333823263
Aloha! Greetings from Oahu! Message:
>Goddamned Jap cocksucker, we should have melted every one of you slant-eyed fucks, and irradiated your midget bastard children until astronauts looked down from space and saw your shitty little island glowing like a fucking lite-brite.
Mahalo!
>>333822230
>The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put that rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now, they are going to reap the whirlwind.
>>333824550
good enough. don't forget french baguettes from Gaul and crooked toothed knights from england. Then vid related happened, then anime, then 4chan.
>>333824185
moral highground only exists if you don't use the same methods of the enemy against him - otherwise your no better then he is
>>333824460
You cant sympathize with Nazis. The problem is, you cannot make a disntinction between the two, or the majority of people won't allow you to do that. You can't say "I sympathize with the wehrmacht because just soldiers fighting for their country" - modern historians will tell you that you had to be inline with the nazi ideal in order to be a soldier of germany, and most (if not all, these historians say) were more then happy to rape, pillage, and do awful things to anyone who wasn't german
Is that actually true? I don't know. I remember how much of a blasting Generation War got for trying to say specifically that being a soldier didn't mean being a nazi, and that the people of germany were just as much victims of the nazi regime as anyone else.
Interestingly, everyone was completely behind Hitler in 36 - the rest of the world, save France, was really proud of how well he had managed to salvage Germany in wake of the treaty, france being absolute assholes about the treaty, and the great depression almost killing germany for good. But things didn't turn out well.
>>333824620
Its an interesting point of view to say that roughly 1200 dead servicemen is worth the lives 200,000 civilians.
Also, its quite possible that FDR let the attack happen...
...even provoked it...
>>333825025
>modern historians will tell you that you had to be inline with the nazi ideal in order to be a soldier of germany
What meme of history historians are parading around the peer review queue?
Even in Grade school the difference between the Wermacht and Nazi Party was made clear and the fascist movements around Europe in addition to Adolf's positive reception among some put pre war europe into valuable context.
>france being absolute assholes
gas shit get treatied
4 > 3
this much is indisputable
new vegas on the other hand...
lets just say its up for debate :)
>>333825402
>france being absolute assholes
>gas shit get treatied
Thats one way of seeing it.
>British officials at the conference declared French policy to be "greedy" and "vindictive," with Ramsay MacDonald later announcing, after Hitler's re-militarisation of the Rhineland in 1936, that he was "pleased" that the treaty was "vanishing", expressing his hope that the French had been taught a "severe lesson". [87] In 1938, Lloyd George published a massive two-volume memoir titled The Truth About the Peace Treaties, in which he effectively repudiated the terms of the treaty that bore his signature.
>A discontent bloc of 12–18 "Irreconcilables", mostly Republicans but also representatives of the Irish and German Democrats, fiercely opposed the treaty. One block of Democrats strongly supported the Versailles Treaty, even with reservations added by Lodge. A second group of Democrats supported the treaty but followed Wilson in opposing any amendments or reservations. The largest bloc, led by Senator Lodge,[93] comprised a majority of the Republicans. They wanted a treaty with reservations, especially on Article 10, which involved the power of the League of Nations to make war without a vote by the US Congress.[94] All of the Irreconcilables were bitter enemies of President Wilson, and he launched a nationwide speaking tour in the summer of 1919 to refute them. However, Wilson collapsed midway with a serious stroke that effectively ruined his leadership skills.
>Through much of the 1920s, France was the most vigorous of the wartime Allies in seeking to enforce the treaty's harsher terms, especially with regard to reparations. Without strong British support, however, she was largely unsuccessful. French Marshal Ferdinand Foch—who felt the restrictions on Germany were too lenient—prophetically predicted that "this (treaty) is not peace. It is an Armistice for twenty years."
>>333822230
Objectavly?
>>333825780
kek. oh trainwiz.
>>333825872
Bringing Germany back into the fold would've been great, but considering their behavior during the previous war? Well...let's just say that if it were a grand strategy game and someone initiated and gassed me in a war that I won, they wouldn't exist anymore.
>>333822824
>Gameplay was better
>>333822230
Eat shit.
>>333826204
>but considering their behavior during the previous war?
>It is a cowardly form of warfare which does not commend itself to me or other English soldiers ... We cannot win this war unless we kill or incapacitate more of our enemies than they do of us, and if this can only be done by our copying the enemy in his choice of weapons, we must not refuse to do so.
Also, don't fall into the trap of thinking that Germany was the only bad guys.
The truth about WW1 is that every soldier was a victim of his own country. The real villains were those in charge, especially the Generals who sat eating restaurant meals drinking fine imported tea, while their men starved to death or died in pointless charges
>>333826764
>was the only bad guys
Of course not, but who started it actually matters and the ally refusal to use chemical weaponry save for in kind can't help but...color the picture for me.
>>333822876
Isn't there that mod for New Vegas that recently came out? Not Project Brazil codename "never updated again" That one called Frontier, is it any good?
>>333827083
>but who started it actually matters
That would be Austria-Hungary, not Germany
Germany was the last of the two countries standing. They agreed to a cease-fire, and instead were forced into a surrender without terms
>this thread
>>333827847
>Austria-Hungary
When I say started it, "it" was turning a meat grinder into a crime against humanity. Unrestricted torpedo attacks, gas weapons, and so on.
>>333826429
>picking dialogue choices is gameplay
Fuck man having a conversation in real life must blow your fucking mind
>>333828296
>crime against humanity.
Meanwhile starving half a million civilians to death with a blockade was alright.
>>333828503
When that food feeds a war machine? Yeah. Civilian ships didn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU256cGwMHM
You just know someone back then jacked it to this
Also i like that one webm changed the thread so much
>>333828296
The war was already a meatgrinder by that point. The use of things like chemical weapons and flamethrowers was experiments in weapons technology to maximize enemy casualties while minimizing germanys. I won't condone what they did, but it was clear that other nations picked up the ideas and used them as well.
However, the majority of the war was machineguns, barbed wire, and mud. Soldiers had no food, no water, sometimes no ammunition, and were given orders to rush machine guns with bayonets, while taking fire from their own artillery. There is a vignette from one of the battles of Ypres or Verdun, where wounded soldiers, incapable of moving, were left in arty craters for cover, medics couldnt get to them (or they were forgotten about), and they drowned in the rain.
>>333828396
>Dialog choices
>Not gameplay
Seriously?
>>333828789
>Yeah. Civilian ships didn't.
And no, I'm not referring to the Lusi.
>>333828884
>while taking fire from their own artillery
Rolling artillery cover is hard ;_;
>Fallout thread
>WW dicussions
>>333829026
>Rolling artillery cover is hard
Its hard to conduct a war when your fifty miles from the front, having afternoon tea, a rich blend imported from darjeeling, while discussing the possibility of playing polo later that afternoon
>In Flanders fields the poppies blow
>Between the crosses, row on row,
>That mark our place; and in the sky
>The larks, still bravely singing, fly
>Scarce heard amid the guns below.
>We are the Dead. Short days ago
>We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
>Loved and were loved, and now we lie
>In Flanders fields.
>Take up our quarrel with the foe:
>To you from failing hands we throw
>The torch; be yours to hold it high.
>If ye break faith with us who die
>We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
>In Flanders fields.
>>333824185
The war was forced, they Allies did it. Everything because of Danzig. Remember, winner write history.
https://youtu.be/bvEV66BLpVQ
>>333829241
>The war was forced, they Allies did it
>Hitlol di-i-i-indu nuffin, he a gut junge, only needed more cash for them gas bills!
>role playing game
>cant actually roleplay
>good
>>333829596
Role playing games don't exist anymore
If you want to play an actual role playing game, get a few friends, paper, pencils, dice, and game book of your choice
>>333829241
Wait, what did british war mongering have to do with invading poland?
>>333829132
I sometimes wonder if Generals ever saw the front for themselves.
>>333829519
Ins Gas mit dir Ami Schwein!
>>333822230
just because it's "better" doesn't mean the original is worse you idiot
>>333829241
If you look closely, the British army actually sent spies dressed as German soldiers. Hitler wanted to keep his army at the size dictated by the treaty, but because of the brits, his numbers swelled into illegal territory. The sneaky backstabbing nature of the allies must never be forgotten.
>>333822749
This. Though I like 4 and NV equally for different reasons.
>>333831448
this should really be in pol, not his.
>>333831591
It was /his/ until the documentary.
>>333829241
>Poland was a warmonger and deserved to be invaded
>Poland invaded Russia!
>... in 1605
>>333822230
I'll admit. I never played Fallout 1&2 or Tactics. I have played BOS, 3, NV, and 4.
But each Fallout game I've played has its own unique huge fucking flaws that stop the game from being fucking magnificent. Nee Vegas with mods is the best one. But it still ain't perfect and can be pretty ugly at times.
>>333832060
>I'll admit. I never played Fallout 1&2 or Tactics.
mods
>>333832117
I'm fucking 20 years old dumbass.
>>333823467
I didn't expect anything of it and it wasn't fun to me
>>333832005
Also, Russia invaded Poland as the same time as Germany and the Allies did nothing.
>>333832117
is there a version of this without spoilered nipples?
2 > 1 > NV > Tactics > 3 > BoS > 4
>>333832150
I am 19 and played all three of those games right after Fallout 3 was released, which was my first fallout.
>>333832150
So am I smartass. All three of them are great. Wrangling together a group for multiplayer tactics was fantastic.
>>333832358
On some drawfags HD probably.
>>333832117
>the comic will never get finished
It hurts, when you only like a few things that bring you joy, and even those end up wilted.
>>333822230
>Fuck you, it was objectavely better than the original
Millennials have to say "fuck you" to try to prove their stupid point
>>333822230
>objectively
Stop using words whose meaning you don't know to emphasize.
>>333832679
melon
>>333833310
Thread Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOTsMHTwshg
>>333822230
nice bait
>>333822749
Uh, no
NV>3>4
>>333834650
This
It might be hard to believe, but 4 is actually worse than 3.
>>333824098
This is a pro Trump board
>>333822749
>You can't even compare 1 and 2 with 3 and 4, they're completely different games
Yeah, 1 and 2 are actually good.
How the fuck do threads like these stay up for so long. Go back to your containment board for fucks sake.
>>333834973
Video game discussion, on my /v/?
>>333822230
Lol no, I played F1 and F2 for the first time 2 years ago, and I can tell you 2 things, they still hold up today and they have more interesting worlds and role playing than any of the new fallout games
>>333822230
>mfw Institute ending
What
>>333835090
Fallouts games after 3 are action adventure games with RPG elements.
>>333823334
Flood Europe with refugees and cause the collapse of western society!
Heil Merkel!
>>333822230
This isn't even bait.
