Which one is better?
REAPER REAPER
>>333815717
First one. Better in almost every way.
NMH2 had some improvements, like the minigames, making each beam katana unique and having a specific function, and letting you switch between them on the fly, but was overall worse. Worse boss fights, removal of the overworld, shitty balance, worse story, shitty outfits you could buy, worse (but still good honestly) music, I could go on.
>>333815717
Killer is Dead.
>>333816823
That's what people call me, why?
I would say 1. 2 tried to fix stuff like the overworld and the minigames but ended up removing a lot of the charm instead. I would have preferred a better overworld rather than none at all. Also the combat felt a bit jankier for some reason, maybe it was a different engine, or the UI. Plus most of the bosses weren't as memorable, Henry was woefully underused, and the ending was a bit disappointing.
I still really hope Suda makes a third game, somehow.
>>333815717
First one looks better and runs better. It has more memorable bosses too.
The second one was clearly rushed. Minigames were generally shit and there wasn't really any need to get money anyway.
You could get the strongest beam katana (the double ones) before Naomi even offers her last one in the shop.
At first the levels are too short and then you get to the Rank 4, 2 and 1 levels and they just take forever.
The European version of Margaret Moonlight's theme is shit. The best music is early in the game. You have two fucking fights with Shinobu, but only a small fight with Henry. They skipped 3 bosses.
First one wins.
>>333817396
>Also the combat felt a bit jankier for some reason
I thought it was the camera. Took me a while to notice but the camera is way too closer to the action, whereas in the first game, the camera was more pulled out. Also projectile spam up the ass. Shit was like Ninja Gaiden 2.
>>333817516
>At first the levels are too short and then you get to the Rank 4, 2 and 1 levels and they just take forever.
That's true but at least there were actual levels before the later bosses, unlike in NMH1 where the game sort of craps out in terms of regular levels filled with regular enemies before boss fights after Rank 6, I believe. Don't get me wrong, I prefer the first, but that game's pacing does irk me a little.
What is the best song and why is it Toothpaste?
https://youtu.be/uP1DXUMYH48
>>333815717
1 has a lot of shit wrong with it that makes its value greater than the sum of its parts.
2 takes out a lot of the campy bullshit and either removes it or replaces it with overkill XD tier shit
1 felt like suda was making a game he liked and if you didn't like it then fuck you at least he liked it
2 was like suda telling the audience who liked 1 to fuck off and he was going to do so much bullshit to it so that only suda would like it
1 is a 9/10 and 2 is an 8/10
>>333817926
>No More Heroes
>9/10
What? The game is repetitive and tedious as fuck. Literally only good parts are the cutscenes.
Memorable tier:
>Kimmy Howell
>Ryuji
>Mimmy
>Margaret Moonlight
>Captain Vladimir
>Alice Twilight
Mediocre tier:
>Skelter Helter
>Nathan Copeland
>Charlie MacDonald
Awful tier:
>Matt Helms
>Cloe Walsh
>Dr. Letz Shake
>Million Gunman
>New Destroyman
Batt tier:
>Jasper Batt Jr.
>>333815717
>NMH1
>1 playable character and a second character you'd be excited to play as in a sequel
>NMH2
>3 playable characters, 1 is great and familiar, 1 is refreshing but you play as him for all of 4 minutes, 1 is LITERALLY FUCKING SHIT, HAD A SHIT MOVE SET AND IS NO FUN AND FEELS LIKE YOU PLAY AS HER FOR HOURS
nmh1 wins
FLY AWAY~
THIS IS A THREAD TO THE DEATH
>>333818025
>>Skelter Helter
He should be in memorable-tier. One of the only good bosses in that game, but he's surprisingly hard for a first boss, especially on Hard mode.
>>Cloe Walsh
Should be in 'mediocre-tier'. Honestly would've been much better if she were more difficult and not a total cakewalk.
I kinda like her theme too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llw4fiAGh2g
>>333818186
i'm convinced they didn't test him on hard mode
>>333818239
I just hate Cloe because she's a fucking joke. She dies in like five seconds. It's like they didn't even playtest her.
>>333818078
The platforming segments were nauseating
>>333818078
>1 is LITERALLY FUCKING SHIT, HAD A SHIT MOVE SET AND IS NO FUN AND FEELS LIKE YOU PLAY AS HER FOR HOURS
>That bit where you have to jump over the rooftops
I liked both.
2 had the Dual Beam Katanas which were real nice to use.
1 Bosses felt a little more memorable but 2 had great ones as well.
1 did regular enemies a little better as 2 was filled with JOLLIES GUN FAGS.
I liked both.
>>333818394
Oh and 2 had that dumb final boss whos second form you could barely fucking dodge and sometimes it didnt even work.
IM STILL SO FUCKING MAD AT THAT.
>>333818078
I like Shinobu but her levels and bosses were just awful. And then Henry gets one fucking dream sequence, kills three bosses off-screen, and that's it. Honestly I'd just prefer if they were optional playable characters you could unlock.
>>333817752
>implying it's not this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRdeghzh89A&nohtml5=Falsealso this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y35Q7xXmTUQ
>>333818719
>not these 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLshJTgV6ZA&nohtml5=False
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBavCUEcNaw&index=76&list=PLA32507F89A56DA13&nohtml5=False
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXq_b_0GWJo&list=PLA32507F89A56DA13&index=69&nohtml5=False
Why did NMH have one of the best designs in videogames since the dawn of man?
>>333818519
It wasn't well explained at all but there was a parry
You walk up to him expecting a teleport combo and roll as soon as you're in its range, do a second roll to dodge the second punch and press guard in time with the third punch to parry it
It's actually one of his most counterable moves
>>333818891
Even this blank ass motherfucker looks good.
Man, I loved these games. I really hope we get a third one.
>>333818890
>not these 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwXkDRbpuuU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-EyXkHQARg
>>333818950
This guy is my favorite because of his simplicity. Plus the opening of that fight is breddy gud.
>>333817303
Cuz, they all die..
>>333819280
fuck it almost every song is good in both games
I also really like the ones you posted
>>333819358
WHEN I SING THIS LULLABYE
>>333819365
Me too man, NMH was just amazing soundwise.
Should I get paradise or the wii version?
>>333819702
Wii looks better as in artstyle but paridise has a few extras such as fighting NMH2 bosses(not in the main story tho)
I decided by looking at each versions screenshots though I do own both as of typing this replay.
>>333819702
PS3 version is hardly an upgrade. You can play without waggle though and just use a standard controller. The bonus stuff isn't that great either. Get whichever is cheaper unless you absolutely hate motion controls.
NMH2 is a better game, but NMH1 has better boss fights.
>>333819869
Only the second one could use classic controller on wii.
new game when?
>>333815717
iirc, no more heroes 2 has much better combat, but a worse overworld.
waggle was a mistake when it comes to no more heroes 1, and honestly makes the game a lot worse.
>>333817396
>Still, Suda51 hasn't entirely given up returning to Santa Destroy. In a recent interview with Gamereactor, Suda said "Yeah, No More Heroes 3, I get a lot of requests from fans and I'm very grateful for that, but I'm thinking it may happen within 15 years or so? (laughs). Maybe not through Kickstarter, but GungHo would of course be supportive if that were to happen. I think I have the vision that Travis forgot something, so I really have to have him to go back and get back what he has forgotten. But yeah, I definitely want to make it possible, but I also want to create something new, so maybe within 15 to 25 years (laughs)."
Only 14 years to go
>>333815717
1 was a lot more fun.
>>333821929
Gotta try to stay alive that long
>>333818009
I will not yield on this
criticisms of repetitiveness etc are valid but I love it too much
Am I the only one that loved the combat/controls?
slashing the wiimote to finish them off was satisfying af, and the sound effects were just mmmm
>>333818950
Characters illustrations for this game are the fucking best, Kozaki Yusuke is a great artist.
Posting art
>>333822964
>those crazy eyes
no wonder Travis was so fucked up
>Suda will never go back and make NMH3
>he'll just continue making heavy westaboo games like Let it Die
>Lily Bergamo died so LiD could become an idea
No More Heroes 2, as a game, is better than 1: better controls, more fluid gameplay... anyway, it lacks all the charm of the first game. In NMH each boss had a strong personality and awesome scenes for each one, but in Desperate Struggle there are bosses that don't have even a line of dialogue, you just found them and fight.
It has great things like the Helter Skelter fight (which was intended to be in NMH1 fighting with his brother, as the old trailer shows), but overall the game isn't that comfy and doesn't have the heart that the first one has.
By the way, I love how the first trailer is completely canon and is referenced in both games, even if a lot of people didn't see it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGtgqw3IsVI
The Heavenly Star videoclip is also amazing and another proof of how much love the game was given, sadly It isn't in Heroe's Paradise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL2od1AF_Cs&nohtml5=False
>>333823132
the problem is that he doesn't have the major role in the games he's involved in recently, he's included so they can call it a "suda51 game"
>>333815717
The player trolling in 2 was intentional. I've seen it be discussed that it is and it fits with the theme of the game (you shouldn't enjoy killing people you fucked up psycho). Still that doesn't make it any less painful.
One was better because it wasn't painful.
>>333818025
>Memorable tier:
>Kimmy Howell
>Memorable
>The only skippable boss
I didn't know she was a character until my friend and I got confused in a discussion we were having about the schoolgirl assassin that Travis spared.
1 is as close to Killer7 Suda is going to get ever again in terms of storytelling.
Killer is Dead was a good attempt but didn't quite make the mark.
>>333823547
>Suda will never make a game as good as Killer7 again
It hurts, man
NMH3 at E3 right lads?!
>>333818025
>leaving out shinobu
What
>>333824303
You don't fight against Shinobu in Desperate Struggle
>>333822964
>tfw no number 1 assassin gf
>>333824075
I hope you like Let it Die!And the announcement it's been pushed back to 2017.
DESTROOOOOY
BEEEEEEEEAM
CANNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
>>333824075
Sure, NX launch title.
>>333824880
That might even get me to buy one.
>>333815717
Second one has better gameplay, better combat, better enemy variety.
First one has better music, better art direction, better bosses, better pacing, better ending, better just...style in general.
Margaret's theme and Toothpaste are amazing, but don't hold a candle to most of 1's ost.
2 is the better game, but 1 is, by far, the better experience.
>>333818302
He's the final boss and he's beatable. Don't see what's wrong with him being as hard as he is.
Don't play on Bitter if you can't handle it.
>>333818719
Nice pipes, old man!
>>333825042
I don't know man, I'll give everything else you said, but NMH 1 and 2 OSTs are pretty equal level. There are pretty bland songs in 1 too, and 2 has this beast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZotFNHt7Z4
>>333818302
Feels like they didn't test him on any mode, his triple punch is nigh impossible to dodge on whatever the regular difficulty was as well
I beat him in the end by just tanking his hits and doing more damage than he did. Fucking awful boss
>>333823879
>>333825291
Yeah, kinda forgot about that one and Alice's theme.
Maybe it's just specific instances being less memorable to me and therefore just being more disconnected from the music and the game just lacking a proper theme. It's like every stage and boss have something wildly different going on and I can't really get into that.
No More Heroes 1 had the deepest fucking lore, I swear.
>>333818302
>>333825124
You can alwaysshake the controller when you die to do the inmortality cheat
>>333825291
>nobody has posted No More Riot yet
Do you guys even like NMH?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW3zbF1Dm5g
>>333825327
Dodge forward, backward, forward with near-perfect timing and you can get through it with no damage.
Once he gets below half health you need to rely on Peony with high Ecstasy to burn him down, as the timing of the warp punches changes too much and it becomes too random to really reliably dodge it every time.
>>333826503
Only the intro is really good.
Besides, we don't need to post the soundtrack here. everyone in this thread already knows the whole thing and probably owns it as well.
>those windows in Jasper Batt office
The first one because crazy French girl is still alright, and bosses are better. Second one has crappy bosses.
>>333826597
I think It's great for an action game like this, really pumps you into the action
>>333823132
>Let it Die
Wow, I completely forgot that game even exists.
>>333826528
That was the main problem actually. Forget about the triple teleport punch as one can learn to avoid it with good timing, it's the triple hurricane punch that kills almost all the time because is IMPOSSIBLE to dodge.
If it doesn't kill you with it, it kills you by punching you THROUGH THE FUCKING WINDOW. So yeah, the only choice was to survive the whole first half without receiving damage at all so the Ecstasy bar could remain full.
Dear lord if I almost punched my brother because of how angry I was.
>>333822859
Why did I read JWE as JEW on Jeane's boot?
