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ITT: truth
SS/HG are shit
Absoultely fucking shit, fuck those games.
>>333801513
My main problem with HGSS is just how limited your team building options are. There's literally only a couple different ways to play through the game.
>>333801070
Well your right OP now there really isn't a point to the thread anymore
BW2 are godlike in every respect except story, and normally that wouldn't matter, but man. BW's ending was good. Why can't they do more shit like that?
>>333801513
The only reason people think they're good is because le pokemon following you meme
Emerald is awful anon, nothing will ever change that.
>>333801994
I definitely think the flip side of this is an option as well. Everything changed in Kalos so frequently (other than Flabebe) that the region had no identity to it. I think that BW2 hit a good mix of it because there are still popular and strong choices (Magnemite) but variety is still present
Loading up white 2 NTEVO on desmume.
leaving thread now before shitposting dissuades me.
Wow OP you actually nailed it
Replace Emerald with Platinum and you're gold. Not that it isn't still great.
>>333802192
I hated the following Pokemon and still thought they were pretty good.
I don't think you fuckin understand what "Trinity" means.
>>333802225
This is blatantly wrong, the battle frontier in emerald was the single best installment in any pokemon game ever
>>333802241
Kalos is bad for a number of reasons (very little content, competitive is broken, type balance is beyond broken, Fairy type being really really imba and nonsensical, shit music, shit framerate, horribly ugly, etc), but the Pokemon selection is not one of them.
If only Sinnoh remakes would have as good of a selection.
>>333802272
I've played both recently, and Platinum definitely is the more flawed experience. Emerald never does anything egregiously bad like Mt. Coronet, while also having amazing areas like Sootopolis and route 116.
>>333802272
>platinum
main game is worse because sinnoh is a cancer region with bog and snow slowing you down. The rest of the areas are just generic till post game
battle frontier isn't as good as emerald's either. Not to mention the painfully slow gameplay even after it was sped up from D/P
best music coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2Hs4s9LLVg
>>333801070
>Emerald
>B2/W2
>good
>>333802559
The snow routes in Sinnoh were some of the best routes in the series, though. I've replayed Sinnoh almost 6 times now, and I always look forward to 216 and 217.
I hope that in the Sinnoh remakes that they decide to update the game like Platinum did. Move around some of the gyms, update some of the cities, and fix the glaring Pokemon scarcity issues, and it'd be almost perfect.Perfection would be removing Fairies and adding in Sound type as an official type already.
>>333802272
>Replace Emerald with Platinum and you're gold.
this nigger gets it
>>333802649
Not even the best music in the game it came from. That'd be the Kanto gym leader music.
>>333802272
good taste
My cousin is interested in Pokemon and has a DS but she has not played any Pokemon games yet. Should I start her off with Fire Red/Leaf Green or just give her HG/SS?
>>333802680
B/W2 are commonly regarded in the top 3 pokemon games on nearly every list
its extremely fun throughout and changes B/W enough for it to still be extremely fun
crystal is the best
>>333802413
>type balance is beyond broken
Not really. Gen 1 Psychic is broken. Fairy type could use a tweak, sure, but there's nothing actually gamebreaking there.
Personally I have more issue with the horrible pacing whiplash XY has, or the region itself feeling very disjointed. The other five regions are all very cohesive in their climates with a few stand-out areas, namely the deserts in Hoenn and Unova, but Kalos has this whack-ass compass direction seasonal climate thing going down.
Lack of content blows, but it's nearly on par with the start of any generation there. It's a shame we didn't get an XY2 to give the region a BW2 expansion treatment.
>>333803454
Statistically speaking, Fairy is stronger than Gen 1 Psychic by almost every measure (even if you include legendaries).
The real threat in Gen 1 battling was Tauros. Seriously, the "competitive Gen 1 battlers" considering banning it alongside Mew and Mewtwo because it was basically the Brawl Meta Knight of battling.
>>333803062
HG/SS
FR/LG aren't up to date because moves are still locked by type. That means only a handful of Pokemon are any good because their best stat matches up with the best stat of the type.
Why do people love BW2 so much? They're the only main series Pokemon games I never played, would it be worth going back to check one of them out?
>>333802791
Wow this tune got an upgrade
Does anyone prefer to use the Gameboy Player when playing HG/SS? Sometimes the older tones are more soothing to the ears rather than the sharper sample based noises.
They dropped the whole chip tune thing starting with Emerald right?
Platinum
HG/SS
B2W2
Are literally the top 3 Pokemon games. There is no debating it.
Emerald gets honorable 4th place.
>>333803809
yes. BW2 are like BW but better in pretty much every way.
>>333801070
replace emerald with Platinum
>>333801070
>Best final version of the game and post content.
>Best remake on best gen with added content improving the original by a landslide.
>Best game with nostalgia throwback and raising options.
I couldn't agree more.
Platinum needs to be up there but otherwise absolute perfection
>>333803809
>You can battle every gym leader from any generation, and even the champions and misc trainers like Red and Giovanni
>Gyms are spread out a decent distance, making the pacing feel great
>Best selection of Pokemon of any game thus far
>Customized Gym Leader themes
>Training and raising Pokemon has never been easier and more convenient
>No megas
>No Fairies
>Great move tutors
>A lot of atmospheric areas like Lentimas Town and the haunted mansion
>Seasons make the game a joy to look at
>2nd hardest mainline games after D/P/Pt
>Hard, Normal, and Easy mode to play in
>Tons of past legends strewn about the region to collect
>Best post game content to date, more than doubling what you got before hand.
Yes, they were fantastic. Best Pokemon games to date, and I doubt they'll ever be topped after the fiasco of Gen 6.
>>333803690
I know about retardation with the Spead stat. The issue is the only type Psychic was weak to or was resisted by was Bug. Fairy's at least got weaknesses and types that resist it. You can say the issue with the lack of good Poison or Steel offense, but that's more an issue with movesets or stats, especially considering with XY they actually went back and tweaked some older Pokemon's stats for once.
But I'm probably spouting bullshit anyways.
>>333801070
>B2W2
That's a fully way to spell Platinum
>>333803865
Sometimes, but HG/SS had GOAT music. They even gave each legendary dog their own remix
Raikou:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRiIc-oKkro&nohtml5=False
Suicune:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=httFyR2jaW0&nohtml5=False
Entei:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3dG9WbZ4OM&list=RDSRiIc-oKkro
Absolutely stunning.
>>333801070
>BW2
>Not Pt
Shit trinity desu
Replace Emerald with Platinum, change the name to mainline Pokemon games. If you use generalized than PSMD and Explorers of Sky take two spots which is unfair
>Camerupt used Earthquake
>It's super effective!
>Entei has fainted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld4TzVQD0Ag
BW2 has too long of a story. post game takes too long to get to. bullshit slows the story pace too much.
>>333801070
You seem to have made a mistake, but don't worry, I got you covered
>>333802413
>type balance broken
>Fairy type really imba
I can agree with everything else, but this is wrong. Gen6 is probably the most balanced of any gen. Fairy type has some pretty common countersand favors two of my fav types that have been ignored lately: Poison and Steeland is one of the weakest types, stat-wise.
>>333804668
>got you covered with this image i didn't postI need to go to sleep
>>333804386
Fairy is even stronger as a type, considering its strengths and weaknesses. If Psychic had the same weaknesses/resistances in Gen 1 as it did today, it still wouldn't be as powerful as Fairy. It was only really strong at the time because of a glitch with Ghost types and the small move pool in general.
In fact, Fairy might as well not even have weaknesses. The 2 types strong against it are weak to Ground, meaning you can get perfect coverage with just Fairy/Ground type attacks. No other type can do this. Hell, Fairy/Water already provides perfect neutral coverage. Not to mention Steel and Poison are shit offensively not because of their strengths/weaknesses, but their lack of good moves and shitty move spread.
Fairy is completely bullshit, it's THE most common type of Pokemon used competitively, making up over 14% of types used (Dragon only hit 9% at its height, just to give you an example, and Gen 1 Psychic had, I believe, a usage rate of 16%, when there were 3 less types and 600 less Pokemon). Water is the only type used more commonly, and that's only because of Greninja. There are more regular Fairies in the "high tiers" than there are LEGENDARY DRAGONS. Legendary Dragons are so shit now that they're allowed to be used alongside Pokemon like Wigglytuff, and they're still considered worse.
Fairy literally ruined the game for anyone who likes Dragon, Fighting, or Dark types. Hell, even Bug got unjustifiably nerfed by the type. I quit caring about competitive battling because it's become even more of a joke than it ever was.
>>333801070
Can we all agree thatPlatinum has the best OST?
>>333804418
Damn straight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwlRy5K3azY
too bad Lugia's theme is shit, but I guess it doesn't matter since Lugia is a filler legendary for Ho-oh
Like the ugly best friend who makes you look more attractive in comparison
>>333804873
HG/SS and RSE are better but it's not like Pt isn't right behind them. Gen 4 had the best soundfonts.
>>333804517
Colosseum was seriously THE best 3D Pokemon game to date. The only one even close is Gale of Darkness andStadium 1
The Admins were really tough. I'd love if they made a sequel to Gale of Darkness and Colosseum. That was my number 2 wish for the Wii Umy number 1 was a new Metroid in HD.
>>333804873
In terms of music
Gen 3 > Gen 5 = Gen 1 > Gen 2 = Gen 4 >>>>> Gen 6
Gen 2 and Gen 4 are only "bad" because they came between the masterful soundtracks of the other games.
>>333804418
Love the bass on that Entei track
>>333805070
>Gen 5 better than anything
The compositions were awful, it's almost as bad as Gen 6.
>>333804830
You don't need STAB, anon.
Also, 'bout legendary dragons, there honestly aren't that many I can think of that aren't outright uber, and I'm pretty sure the rest are all OU except Kyurem which has always been lower tier except the still uber Kyurem-W.
>>333804771
>>333804668
But Platinum isn't good enough to usurp literally the best Pokemon games ever. Platinum's biggest strength - the post game - got more than tripled by B2/W2.
Can't wait for the Sinnoh remakes though, they've gotta be great after the huge backlash from Gen 6.
>>333804873
Hell yes
Platinum has some of the comfiest music in any video game ever
>>333805153
BW2 were okay at best, they were miles behind Platinum. Platinum shines as a game in general whereas BW2 only look good compared to other Pokemon games.
>>333804771
>>333804873
good taste
>>333805129
OU is literally made of legendary Dragons, Garchomp, and Dragonite. Those are the only ones good enough to hang out with Clefable, Azumarill, and Gardevoir.
Seriously, Kyurem is being considered to be the same tier as Hitmonlee and Qwilfish, meanwhile Kyurem-B (who has only 20 less stats than MOTHERFUCKING ARCEUS) is middling in OU, where it barely sees any use.
Fairy completely obliterated Dragons. It's now so bad that many people consider it a worse type to be than Poison and Rock. Psychic, Dark, Bug, and Fighting aren't fairing much better, since Fairy completely destroyed them as well.
>>333805153
>they've gotta be great after the huge backlash from Gen 6
This is Gamefreak, anon.
>>333804873
>>333805070
Best wild pokemon: Gen 5
Best trainer battle: Gen 5
Best Gym leader battle: Gen 2 remake
Best villian team member battle: gen 3
Best Elite four battle: Gen 5
Best Champion battle: Gen 4/1
>>333804873
>>333805165
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ajhgkYFCG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfQBJub1rew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr9KFynxBpA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqsgB2TZ9Ks
mmmmmmmmmmm
>>333805248
B2W2 are fantastic on their own, though. They seriously have no problems other than the graphical fidelity.
See:
>>333804304
Literally the only thing Platinum does better is be more difficult (outside of hardmode B2/W2).
>>333805153
Most people loved XY and ORAS. Some mad nerds on a couple of internet message boards don't even make a blip on the radar.
>>333801070
Spot on, OP. I've realized this are the games I've had absolutely no qualms about from beginning to end. Except the stupid way to unlock Hard and Easy mode for BW2, but besides that, they're pretty much perfect.
>>333805409
The only thing I disagree with here is the Wild Pokemon theme. I'd give that up to Gen 2/3, desu. E4 is also kinda split, but Gen 3 and 5 had great E4 music.
The team leader theme is seriously no contest to Gen 3. Hell, even ORAS got that right, and even made it better. The only one that comes close to the ORAS team leader fights is Cyrus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv7ZGS3Nkbo&nohtml5=False
>>333805409
>Best trainer battle: Gen 5
>Not Gen 3
>Best Gym leader battle: Gen 2 remake
>Not Gen 4
Either bad bait or terrible taste
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTNgiLmjuZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFaz76GP6Dw&nohtml5=False
>>333805462
most of the battle themes are GOAT too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtXjsh3qS8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWKA-JGA-3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEvuu73sdhc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGE2hzmz7W0
>>333805462
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr9KFynxBpA
This sounds like a typical EO stratum theme, I love it
>>333805606
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMWlTF-56oE
Please, gen 2 remake gym leader battle theme is way better and energic.
Emerald was my first pokemon game, never got to complete it, tho.
Now I got a copy of Y, trying to get to the reflection cave and catch a sableye.
Only beat one gym and just left the big city where the prof. gave me one of the original starters.
>>333805610
>Gym leader
Fuck no, Gen 4 had the worst gym leader theme. Even worse was that it was reused for the E4 for whatever fucking reason.
>Giratina
Not even the best legendary specific theme. It still has to contend with Arceus, Deoxys, the legendary beasts, the lake trio, and Kyogre + Groudon
>Champion
>Frontier Brain
I'll give you that, they were fucking awesome.
>>333805779
>gen 2 remake gym leader battle theme is way better
Yeah, if you're fucking deaf
>>333803454
Dragons are pretty shit due to fairy. That's pretty disgudting. Most dragons in higher tiers barely even use dragon-attacks.
>>333805823
sure
>>333805779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuNObMHP_J0&nohtml5=False
Best gym leader theme aside from Gen 3's.
what game has the worst region
>>333801070
>all the fanny fluster about fairies
>>333805945
Even though Kalos was terrible Gen 5 still has my vote for being a fucking hexagon.
>>333805809
>disliking the sinnoh gym leader theme
shit taste
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RRFoVhotwg
Lake Trio is also GOAT as well and in Platinum anyways
>>333805918
Never liked the butchered version of Kanto music in Jhoto games.
>>333805838
This. Dragons didn't even make off as bad as most Dark types did. God knows Umbreon and Scrafty needed more weaknesses, or else they might be usable!
>A Dragon type gets introduced that's got legendary-tier speed, good special attack, and literally Hyper Beam without the recharge time
>Drops to RU because Fairies completely shit on it regardless
Wow.
>>333805995
B2/W2 completely remedied that situation. BW are justifiably shit, though. Still better than Kalos, at any rate.
gen 5 wins my vote for best gym leader theme just because of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYuzEvAYSe8RIP dynamic battle themes
>>333804873
Fuck you, every gen (cept 6) has amazing music throughout. I'll have none of that "this one's better" bullshit when I can sit down and listen to every regions' champion theme, gym leader theme, trainer theme, wild theme, surfing theme, bike theme, rival theme, evil team theme, boss theme, encounter theme, town theme, route theme, league theme, legendary theme, and every other theme and enjoy ALL of them immensely and equally. THAT is a fucking feat if there ever was one!
http://youtu.be/08Hh5FVhboY
>>333801994
My main problem is having to grind using lvl 12 pokés when the trainers are at lvl 50.
You'd think they would've fixed Kanto but nooo. It's almost as shitty and barren as it is on GSC.
>>333805809
>Gen 4 had the worst gym leader theme.
It's literally the most intense gym battle theme in the entire series, it's the only one that's even attempted to capture the tone of a gym battle since Gen 1.
>>333806010
No, but seriously, the Gym leader theme from D/P/Pt was garbage. Didn't help that it was used 12 times throughout the game at minimum. A literally muted my game from Victory Road all the way until I got to Cynthia because I was just not having any of that shit.
>>333805349
Kyurem was low-tier in Gen V too though. And Kyurem-B was OU then as well because it just didn't have the moves to make good enough use of its crazy Attack stat, unlike Kyurem-W which thrived with its Special movepool.
The only legendary dragons I see in OU are the aforementioned Kyurem-B and the Latis, which always were in OU far as I can remember.
Though checking, my issue is that I thought you meant ones that were in Ubers were suddenly in OU now. I see the real issue you were getting at appears to be the lack of non-legendary dragons barely being in OU.
>>333806185
I don't think I have a word to describe how fucking awful your taste is. I don't even think a word for it exists.
>>333806102
Reminds me of when the main theme of Monster Hunter comes in during the grand finale of the Jhen/Dah'ren Mohran and Gogmazios fights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCQHh9mv3u4
Works a bit better in MH since this only happens when you fight the largest monsters in the series, as opposed to every boss fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuwaTkyRluI&nohtml5=False
Literally ear sex. Gen 5 seriously had an amazing sound track. Every area theme was GOAT, and is a pleasure to listen to. Such a shame they locked this masterpiece behind post game content in B2/W2.
>>333806102
>Playing this as a gen 5 hater.
>Suddenly a huge throwback to gen 1.
They replicate the feeling of playing it for the first time as a kid. THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN.
>>333806026
>2016
>97 special attack
>good
Power creep says hello
I wish they would try something new and actually nerf Pokemon. Mega Rayy can't stay as he is, and dragons/psychics need some love.
>>333804873
i think black and white have the best music
only because of this song, though
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UJOuj59l-O4
>>333806185
The bass alone in the Sinnoh Gym Leader theme is fucking amazing, what the hell is wrong with you?
>>333801070
>any Pokemon game
>good
>>333806308
97 special attack is pretty good when it has infiltrator and Specs raises Boom Burst to a respectable damage rate. It can OHKO previously bulky Pokemon.
But yeah, just nerf Fairy out of existence, and then fix the type chart by buffing the lesser types by giving them resistances/immunities/SE against stronger types.
>>333806308
>current year
>not playing with 6 mega-fugs
>>333804873
nah dude Gen V have the best OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjtl6MY7UEo
>>333806401
Get that fucking weirdo away from that pure little girl, I want to punch that faggot in the face so hard holy shit
>>333806102
I liked that, but fuck the critical music. It'd have been cool if they made a variation of it for every battle theme, but as it is it just kills the flow. Even worse than the old beep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9X6uXyylJE
>>333806378
>>333806261
See:
>>333806102
and
>>333805918
get some good taste. Gen 4 gym leader theme is literally the worst in the series, barring that Gen 6 abomination.
>>333804517
>Go to rent Colloseum 2 as a kid
>Some other renter before me replaced it with a copy of Colloseum 1
sly motherfucker, I couldn't even be mad at such genius
>>333805409
you forgot the best ending song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juo94ibJGFc
>>333801070
HGSS are some of the worst in the franchise
No gen 4 game belongs in the top 3, the engine is complete shit.
>>333805945
sinnoh, good god
>majority of the main game is just rocks
>mount fucking HMnett
>the two areas that differ, pastoria/snowpoint areas, slow you down to a crawl
>rest of the diverse landscape is shoehorned into post game
>worst HM usage in the series
unova is saved by season changes
>>333805945
Hoenn goes from grass to desert in the same space.
>>333806582
Literally the only good song in gen 5. Everything else was garbage electronica.
>>333806547
>the theme changes to another song for a small portion at the end of fight
that's good and all, but the normal song that plays for most of the gym fights in gen 5 isnt nearly as good as gen 4's
>>333806672
gotta toss the sauce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv7ZGS3Nkbo&nohtml5=False
I can't even think of a better song in the series. They all have their strengths, but this one blows everything out of the water. It's one of the single best pieces of video game music ever scored. Holy fuck, if this doesn't get into Smash 5, I'll be PISSED.
Seriously.
>>333333333
>>333806682
At least that made sense because it was in the shadow of a volcano. Both XY and BW did it for fucking no reason whatsoever.
>>333806102
>playing B/W blind for the first time
>this started to play
gen 5 had my favorite music alongside gen 3. It was so nice after the shitty gen 4 OST. I knew immediately gen 5 would have better music when I stepped into route 1
>>333806720
Can't say I remember, but I know the whole doujin was poorly drawn so you're really not missing much.
>>333806704
>>333806672
No, Gen 4's gym theme is literal audio garbage. It's one of the most boring gym leader tracks to exist, and doesn't convey the hype of the boss fights.
Gen 4's biggest strength was the difficulty of boss fights, and yet the music did nothing to convey that.
>>333804304
>Best selection of Pokemon of any game thus far
Anon, as shit as XY was it literally needed 3 pokedexes to contain the sheer number of available pokemon
No other game even comes close
>>333806632
The cycle is complete.
>>333806770
Aren't the badlands where the Ultimate Weapon was shot during the war?
>>333806850
>No, Gen 4's gym theme is literal audio garbage. It's one of the most boring gym leader tracks to exist, and doesn't convey the hype of the boss fights.
It's literally the most hype packed theme in the whole series, the only other themes that are even nearly as intense are some legendary battle themes. You're either fucking deaf or retarded, or both.
>>333803809
They were Pokemon games made for people who have been playing Pokemon games from the beginning.
They cut out all the bullshit that has been in every Pokemon game like:
>unnecessarily long "tutorial" sequence of "get first pokemon, battle rival, head to first town, head back to home town, get pokemon catching tutorial, get pokeballs, and NOW you can play the game" is completely fucking absent. You get your pokemon, have your battle, and get your pokeballs within 10 minutes of starting the game.
>pokemon variety and type availability is incredibly broad from even the first few routes - you can find shit like Riolu, Mareep, Slowpoke, etc. on like the third route
Plus all the shit mentioned by >>333804304
>>333806870
Pokemon selection goes beyond the sheer number. B2W2 also had a crazy huge amount of Pokemon in it - 300 to be exact. Most of them were good/above average, had their own specific niches that didn't really get filled by anything else. X/Y gave you like 5 regional birds, where only 2 of them were usable, and the others were completely outclassed.
B2W2 actually make me consider what my team is going to be made of, because there really aren't any better replacements for Pokemon if you decide to skip out on them.
>>333806850
The Sinnoh Gym Leader battle is the single most intense GL theme outside of Kanto's. And even then it's debatable which is more intense.
I love Emerald, but I'm disappointed that Crystal isn't up here as well. The N64 integration with Stadium 2 was awesome, to say nothing of getting to completely explore Kanto again, which I hadn't seen since Yellow at that point.
>>333807014
Now you're just fucking lying to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv7ZGS3Nkbo&nohtml5=False
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPTPz-u96WE&nohtml5=False
And, hell, an even better theme from the same games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGE2hzmz7W0&nohtml5=False
They were completely awful. I wish they used the Frontier Brain music for every gym leader instead of what we got, because that music was actually hype as shit, and fits the mood perfectly. The Gen 4 gyms were no joke, but good god could they use better presentation.
>>333807157
Doesn't HGSS have all of crystal's stuff anyway?
>>333807157
None of the GB games aged well, Gens 1 and 2 are barely playable now.
>>333807157
>crystal when HG/SS exists
???????
>>333805349
>Those are the only ones good enough to hang out with Clefable, Azumarill, and Gardevoir.
You say that like this cutie doesn't deserve to be cream of the crop. Best Johto.
>>333807235
>Posting ORAS as an example of good music
Okay now I know it's bait and I feel like an idiot for falling for it
So congrats, you got me shitposter-kun
>>333801070
I like ORAS better than Emerald.
>>333806736
I personally preferred old Hoenn music better - more metal drums, less... other stuff
I mean considering hoenn is supposed to be more analagous to hawaii, it made sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaUQM4TC9wg&nohtml5=False
>>333807103
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QKzlIgcIz8&nohtml5=False
Complete lie. Gen 3's was hype as shit, and B2W2 did amazing. Kanto gym leader theme will always be the best, though, nothing will ever top them. If only the gym leaders, other than Misty and Sabrina, were anywhere near as difficult as the Platinum/Emerald/B2/W2 gym leaders.
>Fucking 140 base attack on the first gym leader's ace
>2nd gym leader has a fully evolved Pokemon with a good moveset
Jesus, it blows Gen 2's bullshit completely out of the water.
>>333807398
how?
>post game is shittier
>all the challenge sucked out
>no gym rematches
and this is a fucking remake. Instead of adding on top of what we had, they removed
>inb4 le this is R/S remake not emerald remake :^) meme
>>333807393
Out of all of ORAS' problems, music is not one of them. Gen 3 already had fantastic music, and ORAS blew that out of the water.
I'm just mad I didn't get to listen to the hype as fuck Frontier Brain remix because of GF being lazy cunts.
>>333807398
I think they're roughly equal. They each do good in different areas.
>>333807393
ORAS has the best music in the series
it has gen 3's amazing melodies without the technical limitations of the GBA
![image_map[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/GgWJFgn.png "image_map[1].png")
>>333807409
Hoenn is based off of the southern most of the 4 main Japanese islands. Sinnoh is Hokkaido, and Kanto/Johto are based off of the Kanto prefecture (literally Tokyo).
>>333807526
>Out of all of ORAS' problems, music is not one of them. Gen 3 already had fantastic music, and ORAS blew that out of the water.
>>333807620
>ORAS has the best music in the series
So uhh...Which game had the better exclusives in gen 5? B2 or W2?
>>333807398
They would be literally the best Pokemon games in the series if they
>Hadn't removed all of the Emerald content
>Didn't have Fairies
>Made the gym leaders difficult
They were seriously that close. They didn't even have to make new content.
>>333807713
B2 I think, it's been so long since I played it because it was so mediocre.
>>333801070
I can't disagree with that. But including spin-offs, I'd replace HGSS with Explorers of Sky.
>>333807484
At least you aren't full retard like those who say "no postgame" instead of "shittier postgame". Good job on not being an idiot.
>Emerald
>any degree of challenge outside Juan's Kingdra
kek
>>333807526
>I'm just mad I didn't get to listen to the hype as fuck Frontier Brain remix because of GF being lazy cunts.
Hurr?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_UNG_MJRyc
>>333807670
No, seriously. Gen 3's music was fantastic. What Gen 3 lacked in difficulty, it made up for with fantastic music, region design, and Pokemon variety/balance. The exact opposite of Sinnoh, pretty much.
Can't wait for Gen 4 remakes if ORAS is the new music standard.
>>333807718
this, except I don't give a shit about faeries
this was so close to being so perfect, why couldn't they do what they did on HG/SS?
fucking gamefreak
>>333807718
>still being this butthurt about fairies
How
>>333807636
oh.
well, still, a large majority of hawaii's population come from the orient, makes sense i guess.
bottom line i think the ORAS could've done better if they didn't fall for the ELECTRIC meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XbAj4xMCWA&nohtml5=False
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>>333807713
Doesn't really matter, but W2 for competitive Pokemon.
>>333807786
>emerald frontier
>not the hardest thing in any pokemon game
>>333807713
The romhack that lets you catch all 649 Pokemon because there's no reason to buy that game when you can emulate it
>>333807852
Because they literally ruined the type balance and competitive play, which makes the "post game" of ORAS completely pointless because it's so shit anyways.
Literally. Ruined. And that's saying nothing about how batshit stupid the type is. Fucking "fairy", are you serious? It doesn't even stay consistent with it's shitty niche, which was already completely covered before.
>>333807819
Gen 3's music was the best in the series, I'm arguing with that. What ORAS did was take those excellent compositions and run them through a fucking shredder. The only track that came out decent was Route 104, everything else sounded every bit as tinny and empty as XY.
>The exact opposite of Sinnoh, pretty much.
As if I needed more evidence that your opinions are terrible, Gen 4 was every bit as good as Gen 3 in every aspect except for pokemon variety.
>>333807979
>ruined competitive play
If you unironically enjoyed shit like weather wars and Snorlax: the experience you should be gunned down
>>333808035
>I'm arguing with that.
I'm NOT arguing with that, fucking hell
>>333807786
>>Emerald
>>any degree of challenge outside Juan's Kingdra
That's kinda the point. They were easy and manageable enough, but something like Winona or the Twins could kick a dumb kid's ass if they weren't careful. There was no need to make them even MORE easier.
>>333801070
>trinity
>lists 5 games
>>333808065
I would trade what we have in a heartbeat for that shit. Weather made a ton more Pokemon viable and nerfed Dragons. Fairy just made a shitton of Pokemon completely useless.
They're more centralizing than 4Drag2Mag or Drizzletoed.
>>333808035
>le tinny meme
None of the soundfonts were perfect, but ORAS was the closest we got. They were fucking amazing. Especially the Team Leader theme. If they can do to Cyrus what they did to Archie/Maxie, I could let Pokemon die to the Fairy cancer without a single regret in my heart.
>>333808103
>he thinks there are any appreciable differences between B2 and W2, or HG and SS.
>not just a decades-long con to trick faggots and parents into buying the same game twice
>>333807718
>being this assmad about the mere existence of Fairies and not just wanting them rebalanced
The lack of Frontier and leader rematchesEmerald honestly didn't have much else to its name RS didn'tand the stripping down of a few dungeons are the main downfalls.
>>333808097
Levels are actually higher and movesets are arguably better on most gym leaders in ORAS compared to Emerald. The only thing to make it easier are Megas and EXP Share.
>>333808135
Fairy also made a shitton of Pokemon suddenly useful. Double-edged blade there.
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Who was the best, most threatening and fun to fight champion in the series, and why is it Cynthia?
Is it even a contest?
Why do people dislike Mt. Coronet?
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>>333808362
10 or so Pokemon got huge buffs that made them fucking monsters, whereas over 100 Pokemon got guttered.
Fair trade, I guess. Just completely fuck my Scrafty's shit up senpai.
>>333808097
>substituting fast-and-with-Endeavor-Swellow for shitty Tropius and Swablu
>kick some dumb kid's ass
>making Altaria an unkillable physical wall
>also higher levels
>easier
No, fuck off. Twins require nothing more than 1-2 added uses of Surf to end the battle immediately.
>>333808507
Because HMs are a retarded mechanic, and always have been. Any competent developer would replace them with key items, but this is Pokemon.
>>333808385
>Cynthia
funny way to spell iris, senpai
>>333808507
>Huge, long hallways
>Sinnoh's encounter rate is through the roof, making repels a necessity
>Need every single HM, except for Fly and cut, to successfully navigate
>Shit theme
>Boring dank cave for the 10000th time
>Only like 10 families of Pokemon can be caught in the entire 15 room monstrosity of a dungeon
>Have to go in deep to get any of the interesting Pokemon
>No fly point to get you up quicker
They should just move the E4 up there in the remakes. It's more difficult to navigate than Victory Road anyways, and requires even more TM's to get through.
>>333805945
Kanto and Johto are both pretty shit, but I'd say Johto is worse off because it has a piddly amount of exploration and has no good dungeons.
Haven't played past 4th gen though so my opinion doesn't really matter. All regions have their weak points but I thought Platinum was the best since a lot of places had lore or some reason to exist.
>>333808665
>>Shit theme
nah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqBaDX33Eew&nohtml5=False
>>333808385
tie between cynthia and steven for me
you can cheese cynthia a bit with ice but garchomp was more fearsome than metagross to compensate
lance is easily the worst
>>333808662
Garchomp is literally perfectly EV trained and has 31 IVs in every stat.
This means that Cynthia's Garchomp is actually the single strongest Pokemon you can fight in any of the games. It's actually on par, stat wise, with Red's entire team. The only thing holding it back is that it has Dragon Rush instead of Outrage.
>>333808510
Don't delude yourself into thinking that part of that 100 isn't shitty weatherbabbies like Politoed getting fucking exposed m8
I haven't played HGSS, Gen 5, or ORAS
Platnium > emerald >> RS > XY >> FRLG > GSC > RBY
I'd really love to play HGSS as I suspect if it just de-aged GSC it could easily be emerald or platnium tier, but I can't find a romhack that de-version-exclusive-fies the pokemon distros and does nothing else and i'm not paying 180$ to buy a physical version of both HG and SS.
>>333808385
Cynthia has the best team at least.
Steven was personally the most thrilling. As a dumb kid playing Sapphire, I struggled on Drake's Salamance for the longest time, only to finally beat it and him as my Blaziken learned Sky Uppercut. The rest of my team was KO'd though, and I had no revives, so I had to solo Steven with Blaziken. Barely pulled through.
Had a good time in OR too because I was going through the E4 with no healing items and while I did good most of it, at the end it was just Sceptile VS Metagross, Mega VS Mega. Barely got through that, too, though that was because I was playing recklessly to make a show of it like I always do with Pokemon these days.
>BW2
>good
Gen 5 sucked massive dick.
Soaring Dreams!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMNqo2FyUyU
>>333808562
And if your water type was shitty (which, if you don't pick swampert and don't grind, probably will be)? If your pick was Blaziken who got owned by psychics and altaria's earthquake? Also, why do you think I said "dumb kid" instead of "teen or adult who knows what he's doing"?
>>333801513
you couldn't be any more wrong
>>333808949
>Scrafty
>Every Fighting Type not named Machamp, Lucario, or Conkeldurr
>Every Dark type that doesn't have insane attack and Knock-off (so every single one of them except for Absol and Crawdaunt)
>Pretty much every offensive Bug type
>Pretty much every Psychic type
>Pretty much every Ice type
Fairy fucked over the meta hard. Nerfing weather was justified, if a bit too harsh, but Fairy has no justification whatsoever.
>>333809081
It was objectively better than gen 4. Beyond that it's up for interpretation.
>>333809119
Gyarados and Crawdaunt were both GOAT, man. Hell, the only bad water type I can think of is Surskit and the Wingull line.
Is this a shitpost? Because I genuinely believe the same yet /vp/ and /v/ seems to hate those games whilst loving gen 1.
>>333806490
in japan it's legal.
>>333808385
Blue>Cynthia>Steven>Iris>Wallace>Diantha>Alder>Lance
>>333809254
No, /vp/ is filled with Gen 6 apologists, and /v/ is filled with nostalgia fags. Gen 3, 4, and 5 are part of neither fan base.
I also happen to share the exact same sentiment, but with Platinum tying with Emerald.
>>333801070
Best theme coming through
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L-6JV-M8oxE
Also for fags trying to say B2W2 doesnt belong, PWT alone is enough to put it among the top games
>>333808510
A bunch of those "guttered" Pokemon were already leaning on it, and in turn some Pokemon managed to barely climb out of the gutter to lean on it.
>>333804304
I dunno, it feels like there are too many roadblocks
and I can't get any fossil pokemon until I beat the game which seems weird
>>333801070
Emerald is overrated.
>>333809461
/vp/ hates Gen VI more than /v/ in my experience.
>>333809527
Because Azumarill wasn't already good enough, and Clefable needed to be on the verge of getting banned into Ubers for being too good because of a simple type change. Them, Gardevoir, and Togekiss are the only Pokemon that benefited from Fairy type being added. Everyone else suffered.
Why keep something in the game that's detrimental to so many Pokemon, yet good for so few? Fairy needs to be nerfed hard or completely removed from the game. Not like removing them would matter that much, since every single Fairy type would be better fit as another type in the first place.
>>333809119
>If your pick was Blaziken who got owned by psychics and altaria's earthquake?
You aren't forced to use Blaziken. You aren't forced to use a fucking fighting type in fucking flying and psychic gyms, come on.
Every water type in the region but , Surskit, Azumarill and Sharpedo can easily oneshot Solrock and Lunatone and twoshot the rest while taking relatively low damage.
>Also, why do you think I said "dumb kid" instead of "teen or adult who knows what he's doing"?
Dunno, you seem to think "dumbness" is an actually added difficulty value.
>>333801070
Replace Emerald with Platinum, gen 3 was trash.
>>333801513
(You)
>>333803809
BW2 was basically a send off to pokemon as we knew it, it was amazing.
>>333809721
Gen 3 were great, though. There's very little that needs improvement.
>>333801513
They have more content than any other pokemon game though.
>fantastic menu for touch screen
>pokemon following are great, don't fall for le contrarian meme
>two regions
>battle frontier
And much more other stuff I'm too bored to look up right now. The only thing that's drawing them back is that they're gen IV games i.e. slow as FUCK. If GF ever made a pokemon game with as much content as HG/SS with gen VI mechanics and without kiddie shit/handholding it would probably be the best to date. We all know it's literally impossible though, GF are a bunch of incompetent and lazy fucks
>>333805462
Eterna Forest is so fucking good, have some more tunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYaYEEWkthI&nohtml5=False
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqBaDX33Eew&nohtml5=False
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyT_LMa6Zhc&nohtml5=False
I love the jazz motif they had for this game.
>>333809165
>It was objectively better than gen 4.
Gen 4 was objectively better than gen 5.
Gen 4 had starters that were actually good, a region that wasn't garbage, wasn't focused on a shitty story, had a pleasing visual aesthetic, had the most useful gadget in a Pokemon game ever, and had music that didn't suck shit.
Gen 5 fails in every category, yet people suck its dick because "muh postgame"
>>333810091
gen 4 is shittier than gen 5 in everyway except metagame
platinum post game is better than B/W but B2/W2 is better
>sinnoh isn't a garbage region
LOL
>music in gen 4 is better than gen 5
ok time to stop posting
>>333810091
>gen 4 had music that doesn't suck
it's the worst in the series
>>333805945
Sinnoh in terms of needing HMs, but Kalos and Unova were so fucking BORING.
Geographically boring and you just go in one direction, it fucking sucks. I want more slightly non-linear stuff like Kanto but with the geographical range of Hoenn.
>>333809693
Because GF felt most of the Pokemon it is detrimental to were too good in the first place. Its detriments to Dark and Bug are the only really unwelcome ones, Dragon and Fighting could've used nerfs.
Personally, I like the idea of "Fairy" type, it's about as out there as a "Dragon" type, it could just use some rebalancing.
>>333810182
>gen 4 is shittier than gen 5 in everyway
Nope, you have that backwards. Gen 5 is inferior to gen 4 in every way.
>sinnoh isn't a garbage region
Sinnoh is a hell of a lot better than a fucking circle, which is what Unova is.
>>333810254
Gen 3 has the worst music in the series.
>>333806102
And they DIDN'T BRING IT BACK FOR XY
What the fuck even is Gamefreak
>>333810374
this is just poor taste
>>333810182
>>333810254
not that anon but gen IV does have a few gems in its OST
>route 209
>cynthia battle
>palkia/dialga battle
>>333809108
Soaring is the best part of ORAS and if it doesn't return like it probably won't I'll be sorely disappointed.
>>333806102
It's just a muffled and worse version of the original Pokemon theme.
>>333810374
>>333810182
Wrong, Gen 6 has the worst music.
Also the only redeeming portion of gen 5 was the music, the rest of it was terrible
>mfw village brifge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaUQM4TC9wg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPH_gXsVdrk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCzlsD8YiVM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX4GBsVQ6e0&nohtml5=False
How the fuck did they butcher the music in the sequel so badly? They just took everything that made the music unique and put it through a child friendly filter to make it sound like every other game in the series. So fucking disappointing.
>>333810457
I agree
the problem is, and the reason I call gen 4 the worst OST, is because all those good songs only play a few times (gen 4's strengths are the special battle themes like cynthia's or cyrus). Other than that, you have a few route songs that are good and the rest are just bland as fuck. Shoutouts to the galactic HQ theme though, it rocks mainly because it sounds like gen 3
floaroma town is also the worse track in any pokemon game
>>333810569
gen 6 is alright in terms of music
gen 3 and 5 have the best tracks, 2 is right behind them, then it's 6, 1, and 4 below
>>333808385
Steven was the most gun to fight and had the best team, Cynthia was pretty much just carried by garchomp, a mon gamefreak pretty much went out of their way to make bullshit.
I think every game has good music, except XY's battle themes are either unfitting or extremely weak.
They really need to get Go Ichinose back. He was busy around XY release directing and composing Pocket Card Jockey, hopefully he'll be back for SM since he won't be totally busy.
I can't believe people unironically enjoy G/S when it's filled to the brim with Pokemon that look like Gen 1 rejects. I'd take household object and food pokemon any day over this shit
I liked that they nerfed steel defensively in gen VI, though Metagross didnt deserve to get hit.
>>333810830
Nice ass
>>333811031
>mfw dark got nerfed
dark finally has a good movepool only to be shitted on by fairy
>>333810830
Every generation has its stinkers and stars. They also, to me, each have a distinct feeling to their designs. I feel like you can look at a Pokemon and easily tell what generation they belong to, even cross-generation evolutions feel more fitting to their generation than the one the rest of their family is from.
With that said, I will never understand those who say any Johto designs look like "Gen 1 rejects".
>>333811031
Personally I would have removed steel's complete immunity to poison and only make them resistant and poisonable rather than removing their ghost resistance.
>>333810830
Probably because a lot of Johto's mons ARE discarded/repurposed Red/Green rejects, with many originally intended to be in those games but ultimately cut
even Red/Green's early alpha shots had map sprites and character sprites that looked more like what would eventually show up in Gold/Silver
>>333811432
You're probably thinking of the GS early shots which were still in the RGBY engine.
>>333809141
tip top fucking lel at you if you're legitimately idiotic enough to think Ice or Bug were ever worthwhile types on 90% of the mons that have them
Ice is a garbage defensive typing that dies to half the meta's coverage moves (with fairies or without) and requires you to run a spinner or defogger if you want to switch in mons that have it more than twice; it pretty much singlehandedly kept Abomasnow out of OU in weather: the gen and made half the legendaries unfortunate enough to have it (wink wink nudge nudge Regice Kyurem-Normal) sink hard Ice IS a fucking great offensive type (there's a reason a lot of mons that get Ice Beam etc. run such moves as coverage) but it's hard to ever be a good type when you're weak to fucking Steel
Bug is basically the same situation as Ice, just replace Fighting weakness with Flying; it doesn't help that half the Bugs out there have fuck-awful stats (in some cases saved by a mega, but still) and Bug is a terrible offensive typing (again, with Fairies or without due to the fact that Steel-types exist and are good among other things)
But if you want to blame everything you don't like about the metagame on Fairies go right the fuck ahead
>keep hearing XY's gym music is shit
>finally play it recently
>it's the best one since GSC/HGSS kanto
should have known better than to listen to /v/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LEzEBx9UpY
>>333811721
XY's Gym Leader music is fucking great. I just feel like it doesn't fit Pokemon. Should be in a racing game or something.
Only battle theme in the game I feel strongly about.
>>333801070
At least you didn't put fucking Platinum on there. It was okay back when DP were the newest entries but nowadays it has nothing on other entries in the series.
>>333809248
>dumb kid
>is gonna have the knowledge or patience to get a magikarp and raise it or get a stupid-looking crab (which turns into one of the coolest motherfuckers around admittedly, but how are you gonna know beforehand?)
>>333812070
They got the power,Nintendo Power
>>333812070
>the point
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>your head
They're supposed to look stupid
>>333801070
Replace Emerald with Platinum.
Replace HG/SS with Emerald.
>>333812327
no and no
platinum's shitty region/slowness keeps it off the top
>>333809975
This.
The games were slow and the progression was fucked. I will admit it as a fan of gen 2 and the remakes. But the best part of the remakes was all the extra shit added in.
For me it was the mini games, and the post game has a nice amount to still be done after.
The pokewalker was an nice bonus. Got me to walk a lot more.
Not the best, but definitely my favorite games so far.
>>333812378
Platinum was what fixed the slowness though.
>>333812238
I know they're supposed to look stupid. Here's my point. You're 8, you got a new video game with a selection of monsters. Are gonna go with the stupid-looking shit or the cool-looking shit? The magikarp, or the geodude? The crab, or the tree dinosaur with wings and a banana goatee?
>>333812508
Only relative to Diamond/Pearl. It's still slow as molasses compared to any game from any other generation.
>>333812508
wrong, it made it better than the godawful D/P but it was still slow as shit
>>333812378
Platinum didn't have the slowness.
And Sinnoh is the one of the best regions in the series.
Anyone who says fucking JOHTO is anywhere near the top is fucking fooling themselves. Sinnoh is straight up the last full sized land-based region. Afterward we just got hyper-linear theme parks where you had your hand held all the goddamn time.
>>333812559
You'll pick the one that immediately seems like the better option but the reason they've made weak early-game pokemon become things like gyarados is to encourage sticking with a more difficult option until it benefits you. The idea is to make every pokemon hard to use at some points and easy to use at others
>>333812680
>platinum didn't have slowness
see>>333812663
>>333812674
>sinnoh is one of the best regions
>generic rocks and gravel: the region
>snow region slows you down to nothing
>swamp slows you down to nothing
>HM usage up the ass
sinnoh is fucking garbage, jhoto is also garbage but i'll go through jhoto any day over sinnoh
i just finished BW1 and, i liked it. gonna do all the side quests now before going too BW2.
>>333812663
Not him, but I feel that it's faster than Gen 3 in battle. Gen 3 could get really slow there, shame because the overworld is the fastest there. I prioritize speed in battle to overworld though, I like taking my time.
>>333802272
>platinum
SS/HG is the better version of platinum.
>>333812984
>just finished BW1 and I liked it\
Literal genwunner.
>gonna do all the side quests
???
I don't think "watching the credits roll" counts as a sidequest, bromigo. I guess it is kind of optional.
>>333813007
you need to replay them, platinum's battles are a lot slower than R/S/E
>>333813010
I can mostly agree with this.
test
>>333813010
I would switch g1 and 3 around, and whats the map bottom right?
>>333813010
fixed
Hoenn and Kalos have the most varied and diverse areas, making them the best. bonus points for dive being cool as shit in hoenn
Kanto is just good. Nothing outstanding, nothing terrible. Seasons save Unova from shit
Jhoto is boring as fuck and limited by the GC. Sinnoh, see>>333812865
>>333813343
>kalos
>good at all
As boring as Unova
>>333808385
not only were gen 4 elite 4 strong as fuck, Cynthia is the strongest of all champions beacuse her team is not only high lvl but, one of the best pokémon in the games. BW1 gym was a joke compared to gen 4.
>>333813343
>Kalos
>good in any way
It's a mess whether it be game design or from an aesthetic viewpoint.
