how well does the original zelda hold up?
Twilight Princess is the worst video game ever made.
Pretty well. Its one of the few Zelda titles with real challenge. Though there is some cryptic unfair shit, especially in the second quest.
Pretty well if you're not a pussy who can't handle old graphics and a little bit of exploring.
It'sfun.But you're making a big mistake asking /v/, most people here are too underaged to like anything before 6th gen. Go ask /vr/.
the enemies are obviously very basic but the world and level design is still good. second quest is great for people looking to get lost in a game
>>333726907
Not very
It's a decent mobile game, something like 7.2/10, certainly worth playing
>start game
>no story
>no map marker
>no explanation on what to do
>2d
1/10 this shit might have washed back in olden times but not today Gramps
>>333726907
it's good if you're not a casual but you need to go online and google which bush to set on fire
All the secrets are hinted at in game, and the manual gives you the location of the first two areas. It's something you either be a casual about and look up, or you bring a notebook with you.
>>333727769
Huh? Are you talking about ask jeeves?
>>333726907
As long as it hasn't been sitting in the sun, the casing should still be quite sturdy.
I'm using my copy of Zelda II as a coaster.
I still love playing it to this day.
>>333727273
>muh gens
Fuck off faggot
>>333727804
>All the secrets are hinted at in game
DODONGO HATE SMOKE
It has not stood the test of time. In its defense, very few NES games have.
The only 2D zelda I bothered finishing.
I did get to the final boss in minish cap though.
>>333728460
>I did get to the final boss in minish cap though.
It was quite fun up until then, then goes straight into Go Fuck Yourself mode.
>>333728232
GO UP, UP THE MOUNTAIN
NORTH WEST SOUTH WEST IN THE WOODS
>>333726907
I hated Zelda back in the NES days. It was so barebone and ugly-looking. It also had a weird following. I'm talking 40-year old Linux nerds-type.
Link to the Past is the first Zelda that brought Zelda to the mainstream and actually made it good. That's when I saw a ton of 8-12 year olds come into the fold.
>>333727769
>He didnt use the red candle on EVERY bush
...and this is why old gamers laugh at you when you bitch about challenges or stuff being hard to find.
>>333728819
Please delete this.
If you actually like videogames, it holds up pretty nicely.
And as an anon said, Zelda is fucking cool to play on a handheld
>>333726907
I didn't really care for it that much. Sure, you have completely free reign to go anywhere (if you have the tools), but exploration loses its point when there's nothing interesting to see/do.
And the basic gameplay loop of jousting with your sword/shield isn't very fun, so it really feels like it needs something else. more defined locations, cooler bosses, better weapons, NPCs to spout story at you, any one of these would help a lot.
The best part of the game is the dungeons, when you have to do mild puzzle-solving and the enemies are a threat, but everything else just feels like I'm wasting time trying to get back to the fun parts of the game.
>>333728924
you do realize there was a guide that came with the game to tell you where to use the fire right? You have to be retarded to actually use the red fire on every bush.
it has too many cryptic and arbitrary shit, there is no way you would find most of the crap without a guide
otherwise it's pretty fun, but there will be no better Zelda game than A Link to the Past ever.
>>333728924
Because of shit game design?
>>333729905
>everybody had the guide
>everybody read the guide
>it's normal to expect that you have to read a guide in order to progress in a game
no
>>333729905
>LOL THERES A GUIDE BRO
No, there wasnt. not with the game release. NintendoPower kicked out a cheatsheet map later but the game box had a map and told you where levels 1 and 2 were and thats it.
None of the heart containers, none of the "Its a secret to everybody" stuff. No silver sword. No power bracelet. No old lady note for potions. Nothing.
>>333730109
>Not getting guides for 100% completion
What are you, poor?
>>333726907
It's pretty fun but it's also rather difficult and can be confusing but it's definitely less confusing than castlevania 2
>>333730109
it was pretty much back then, almost every game in the nes era had guides that came with the game like final fantasy but of course you are too underaged to have known that
>>333730094
>Its not holding my hand, wiping my ass and telling me how awesome I am every 4.6 seconds
>therefore shit game design
If this game hurt your pussy that bad, call a feminist who gives a shit.
Otherwise just accept that you arent king shit of fuck mountain.
>>333727273
Even 6th genners get this game In an indirect way mang.
>>333730142
>he didnt have the nintendo players guide
spotted the underaged
it's not as cryptic as you babbies are making it out to be
it was originally released with an informative manual, and a map that told you exactly where the first 4 dungeons are, and areas with hidden stuff is
Its good
Fuck the wizrobes though, the ones that move around, they always give me trouble
>>333730301
Wrong again. FF came with a world map and bestiary. Thats IT.
Again, Nintendo Power came out with a cheatsheet map and boss guide MUCH LATER but it wasnt included in the box.
>>333726907
It plays exactly like it did in 1986.
>>333726907
It holds up very well. The controls aren't really frustrating by today's standards (like many NES platformers) and the world and dungeons still feel pretty big. The only thing people might have an issue with is that some of it can be quite cryptic. There's also the issue that you might run out of bombs/rupees when you really need them. Honestly any person playing it for the first time shouldn't have any problems beating the game, especially if they use a guide.
Better than the first Metroid.
>>333730301
>Came with the game
You had to buy that shit separately, youngfag. Zelda came with a manual and a map. Final Fantasy came with a manual.
The only game that I can think of that came with the strategy guide included as standard was Earthbound.
Why do you think that we all had subscriptions to Nintendo Power?
>>333727769
That ruins the fun of exploring and finding secrets though. That's like saying to look up the end of a movie before watching it or something.
As far as basic mechanics go it's perfectly fine, I just found it to be too obtuse.
>>333730428
>tfw i got it secondhand with no manual
>>333727890
OLDER
>start game
>put in a random place
>no plot given to do anything
>the only way to figure out the story is to read the NES manual
It's overrated as fuck
>Those ghosts who teleport on top of you
Who thought that was a good idea?
>>333730407
10/10 collection, shame nintendo will never do anything like it again
>>333730584
it did
the manual of the original final fantasy had a mini walkthrough
it told you a good starter parter and the walkthrtough took you to the part where you get an airship
>>333730086
I found it all without a guide when I was a kid.
Before the Internet, kids actually talked about this shit on the playground
>>333730794
You get a lore If you don't violate the start button first thing when the game launches.
>>333730794
Are you high? There is a scrolling text box at the title screen
>>333730584
holy fuck kill yourself
http://gamesdbase.com/media/system/nintendo_nes/manual/formated/final_fantasy_-_1990_-_nintendo.pdf
>>333730990
>>333731083
>not mashing start at the beginning of every game to skip the opening
Fucking idiots
>>333730945
Yeah,definetly a must have,Nintendo Is more into Wii U ports nowadays,I don't know If the controls are smooth or not,but I think stuff like Prime trilogy for 20 bucks Is pretty neato.
>>333731107
>Being so young that you don't understand the difference between a strategy guide and a manual.
>>333731176
I hope I'm the only response you get
>>333731273
>gets proven wrong
y-your young
>>333731383
Show me where in that manual it describes the statistics and strategy needed to defeat the final boss, anon.
Oh, it doesn't have that? That's because it is the manual. It gives you a mini-guide for the first part of the game because most NES owners hadn't played a game like that before, but it is not a strategy guide.
Nintendo Power volume 17 acted as a strategy guide for the game.
>>333731273
granted its not full guide but it tells you a hell of alot more information on how to play than most games
if you get through the walkthrough in the manual you should have a pretty good idea on how to play the rest of the game
It's my second favorite game.
- Not one but TWO items in the first and final dungeons.
- Such balanced tempo between economy and combat that rupees serve a dual-function as arrowheads. (FUN FACT: Originally, rupees were easy to come by, which meant you would have too many arrows. It was balanced just right.)
- Randomly generated monster placement/variation so no two play-throughs are ever exactly the same, but with a stack-based drop graph so you know what you're going to get; making the "arbitrary" still subject to some degree of management.
- You can go from the first dungeon to entering the semi-final dungeon in 2 minutes.
- Difficulty that 30 years after its release still incites debate over whether it can be beaten without a guide.
- A secret on every square according to the guide.
- More nonlinear than any modern video game or indie game. This game is three DECADES old and still can't be topped by someone in their basement with modern technology. That's how much work went into it.
And it comes with a Second Quest.
Best Zelda.
Best retro game of all time.
Best video game of all time.Except for Ocarina of Time.
Good Zeldas started with link to the past.
>>333731680
I love the original LOZ but I've never had the fortitude to finish the second quest
sure I could look things up online now but thats really not the point of the game for me
>>333727620
In MY day, the EXPOSITION was ROUTINELY carried out by means of GAME MANUALS, which accompanied th' CARTRIDGES in their BOXES!
>>333731669
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that it came with an intro for the game, but that is because the genre was new, particularly to consoles. The strategy guide was not included however. This is what is considered to be the strategy guide.
Zelda didn't even include that much, and neither did future Final Fantasy games (so far as I can remember, anyway).
>>333727202
This.
>>333728819
they look like siblings
>>333726907
pretty bad, theres no arrow telling me where to go, and the graphics suck
>>333730094
Just cause its not holding your hand, you little baby, doesn't mean its shit.
>not playing Zelda Classic
>not making your own Zelda quest
>>333726907
I don't care much for the dungeons. I understand that having the same enemy in a room is easier on the game's limitations than having a variety of enemies, but when the late game becomes "Here's a room with 7 Darknuts. Here's a room with 6 Wizrobes. Now another room with 5 Darknuts," it gets pretty tedious, even fighting them just once. It doesn't help that many of them move almost completely randomly. A lot of the puzzles could barely be called that, and often have more to do with being thorough than being clever. They feel like the kind of dungeons you could make with procedural generation without hurting the quality much.
>>333731919
To be honest, I never have either. But that's because the first time I played it on GBA I wanted to beat it so that I could beat Zelda II next and was too impatient.
And then the next two times I played through it when I was older I was going through a masochistic streak where I had to restart a game if I died. I would beat it nowadays though if I played it (after playing through Zelda 1 of course so I could keep my name).
>>333726907
>no automatic checkpoints
>no regenerating health
>no multiplayer
>no cheevos
>no progression system
>no difficulty setting
What the fuck do you think OP? This isn't 1985 anymore move the fuck on.
>>333726907
Well, the cartridge probably does still work if you've kept it dry. You may need to clean the connectors though.
That's what you meant, right? You don't subscribe to that shit children's casual notion that gameplay somehow ages, right?
>>333730794
Fixed :^)
>>333726907
It's alright but finding heart containers is bullshit
>blow up wall
>lose rupees in a game where they're already scarce
>>333730856
Pshh, nothing personel, mortal.
>>333733076
I'm going to throw up
>>333733121
>Lose rupees in a game where they are scarce.
>Not having max rupees all of the time.
pretty good, until they just decide to go apeshit with wizzrobes in the last 2 dungoens
Instead of making you go in the cave and get the sword why didn't the game just give you the sword at the start? Why do that extra bullshit?
Very well, probably my second favorite zelda after link's awakening.I enjoy zelda 1 and 2 as they have actual difficulty.
Hope you like bombing every wall that looks like it could be bombed when you can only carry 8 at a time, fucko.
It's still pretty fun though.
>>333733280
>Instead of making you go through the dungeons, why didn't the game just give you the tr-force at the start? Why do that extra bullshit?
I want to blame this on Reddit, but I know that wouldn't be true...
>>333733121
>Rupees
>Scarce
>>333733398
That's not even close to the same thing.
>>333726907
Oldfag here, gotta say one thing I really miss about nes zelda is that the map wasn't in game, but an actual large unfolding map came in the box with the cart. Surprisingly immersive for the time!
>>333732787
What is that?
>>333733647
sounds fucking stupid
>>333726907
for an NES game, very well
LttP, LA, and the Oracle games are still all superior 2D Zelda games though.
>>333727098
Wii version is
GC/HD is great
>>333734114
Why?
Wagglan did nothing wrong, and it was objectively better for aiming.
>>333733948
not like your reply
>>333733076
the fuck am i looking at bro
>>333726907
Pretty good. Find one of those Nintendo Power maps online and you're all set.
>>333734729
The new Zelda Plus e-shop game.
>>333734206
>waggle to fight
>no camera control
>>333726907
I like it but there's a couple of things that bother me. Like how the enemies aren't aggressive so combat is basically waiting until they move the way you want, how there are no clues for most secret passages and how that doesn't really matter much because most of the secrets are just caves with hearts and rupees.
>>333726907
It's good.
I always got stuck on the boss with multiple heads that you have to shoot arrows at.
>>333733076
I like this one better
>>333726907
I hate the phrase "holds up". If people are still talking about it and putting it on top 10 lists and buying it from digital download shops even though emulators exist, it probably "holds up" just fine.
There's a reason we don't talk about games like Lode Runner or Columns anymore, even though they rank up there with the other best-sellers of their respective console. But LoZ though? Come on, I play that shit on a yearly basis. It never seems to get old.
>>333733406
>>333733234
I distinctly remember it taking hours to buy the rings from the shop because of how uncommon rupee drops were
Am I just unlucky?
>>333733832
A PC version of Zelda 1 with a quest editor that adds a shitton of stuff.
>>333734878
Wagglan ain't that bad; it doesn't even ask you for presicion outside of the shield.
And Z targeting is all you need.
>>333727448
>rating based on the present and not its past
>>333735830
Well, I didn't know that.
But is the base game better, or do I need to edit those quests myself?
>>333735907
>he forgot about the bird section down the river
>>333734861
just shoot me in the head that hurts.
>>333733280
because, it sets the whole game in motion while giving you some idea of what you should be doing
>>333734206
And the HD version has gyro aiming. Checkmate.
>>333736003
The base game is the same as the original, though there's a third and fourth quest, dunno if they have any of the new stuff.
People have already made a ton of quests for it though. PureZC is the best place to go for Zelda Classic stuff.
>>333733948
it's too bad children are so anxious nowadays they can't stand to think "I don't know what to do next" and have the courage to say "I'll figure it out"
>>333726907
Cryptic as fuck. Besides that it's pretty good.
>>333736328
i honestly prefer IR over gyro, though gyro is objectively more precise.
>>333735494
It needs at the bottom
>Achievement Unlocked: Begin your adventure
>>333736568
>Nintendo
>achievements
>>333733076
>press A to go inside
Gee, I wonder who never played this game before.
>>333730703
Lycos?
>>333736775
Are you fucking retarded?
>>333736775
/v/.
I'm just reposting a cool image I found.
>>333733280
I once was of the thought that it was because of self-imposed challenge. By having you enter to get the sword, you can in turn choose not to get it, and play through the game restricted (as I think the tips and tactics guide tells you).
But the actual answer is because it's a leftover of this... The text here says "Pick your favorite weapon."
>>333726907
My favorite Zelda game.
Let's be honest with the exception of Mario, all NES games aged poorly. LoZ is no exception and even then wasn't that great of a game to begin with. Zelda didn't start getting good until ALttP and it took until LA for it to get to amazing tier.
Not enough direction. I enjoyed the dungeons but not wandering around the overworld
>>333733280
As time has shown, game devs are notoriously incompetent when it comes to choosing what constitutes "extra bullshit".
>>333740759
And LA was written by Koizumi who was inspired by Twin Peaks.
It's not as cryptic as everyone says it is. The primary reason people say it's cryptic is because they're emulating it after the fact and don't think to look at the manual. Games back then often contained important information in the manuals, and it's not the game's fault that modern gamers miss this important fact.
>with the exception of Mario, all NES games aged poorly
The best games on the system are Solbrain (shatterhand in the west) and Castlevania 3, though.
>>333730945
More like 8/10. It would've been 10/10 if Alttp was in it.
>>333733280
Teaches you that exploring caves will reward you with cool shit
>>333741313
>including a shit game in your collection of good games
anon
>>333741587
Fuck you.
>>333728819
>linux existed in the eighties
Except that it didn't. You lying little faggot.
>>333727098
literally the biggest exaggeration of all time
>>333726907
it's ok.
>>333730428
>>333730692
Mine didn't have a manual either. My friend and I drew the map from our memory and shared different stuff we discovered.
>>333733076
>>333735494
kek
>Playing this game as a kid
>No guide, no other friends had it, no internet
Played it pretty much every weekend.Never beat it
