If I were a developer, I'd put all content in the game instead of selling DLCs
Perhaps I'm too much anti-kikery
>>333689783
>unfinished
Fuck off, retard
>>333689783
>I'd put all content in the game instead of selling DLCs
>Sell ONE (1) game to your customers
>At least 50% pirate it and give you no money
>You end up with less than 10% of the money you spent to make the game in the first place
>Go bankrupt
>No one else will hire you for making fucktarded financial decisions
DLC is an integral part of the modern game industry. Games literally cannot survive without it.
>>333689783
Because they have the highest chance of improvement- unlike games that are said and done.
>>333689974
They survived just fine before, it's not our fault they spend way too fucking much money on marketing when the internet exists.
Why is preordering even a thing in digital-based games? Unless it's a physical copy there's not a limited amount in stock and therefor no reason to reserve a copy.
There is literally no reason to preorder a game.
Companies realized this recently and have begun tagging on partial season-passes onto their games but in the end you only save like $4 extra.
>>333689783
But you're not a developer and you don't know what it's like having a corp shill boss
If I were a developer I'd sell my games for free. That'll stop pirates.
>>333689974
>Games literally cannot survive without it.
They did back then and it was much easier to pirate
Pirating DLC is not that difficult, so I don't understand your argument.
If no one supports them how will they release the ULTIMATE GOTY COMPLETE edition with more graphical retouches and all the DLC included for $30 a year later.
>>333690043
Games are more expensive to make now more then ever. DLC is nessasry for modern games to make money.
>>333690368
>nessasry
>>333690368
Nice pasta, now go find an actual argument.
>>333689783
>2 content packs
>yfw its a pvp arena and a halfassed aota/old hunters expansion
>>333690368
>DLC is nessasry for modern games to make money.
Releasing cars, weapons and extras that are 100% optional is ok
but releasing the rest of the game on DLC like Dark Souls is insane and 100% kosher.
>>333690262
Games were a lot cheaper to make back then.
>>333689783
>I'd put all content in the game instead of selling DLCs
You have three choices
>Fire the people who aren't involved with bug testing (writers, artists, etc) during the last phase of development, then hope they come back or you can find replacements for your next game
>Pay those people to do literally nothing, wasting money
>Delay the game forever because you're constantly in a cycle of making new content because while QA is working on fixing the game, developers are working on making new stuff
>>333690496
no they weren't and it was more of a risk when the potential sales of your titles were literally 10 times worse.
The reason I don't buy day 1 releases are:
DLCs
Patches
Patches
Unfinished game
20$ cheaper 1 year later.
>>333690496
Underage spotted. Fuck off and don't come back until you graduate highschool.
>>333690485
>rest of the game
>content that is completed after the game and not actually a core part of the experience
I don't like the season pass, but they're going to make DLC anyway, why not plan accordingly? You could argue they could delay the game to add what would have been DLC, but why not just delay the game for 20 years to add a whole bunch of new content then?
>>333690459
>I don't understand the industry but I'll pretend I do
>>333690515
>>Fire the people who aren't involved with bug testing (writers, artists, etc) during the last phase of development, then hope they come back or you can find replacements for your next game
Make them work on the next project and hire extra staff to do bug testing
See how simple?
>>333690496
hahahahhahahahaha
>>333689783
this is why no smart person will ever work for the game industry
people like OP ensure only hipsters, crazy autistic and SJW will ever do gamedev
>>333690496
>/v/ doesn't know what they are talking about:The Post
>>333690626
>I don't like the season pass, but they're going to make DLC anyway, why not plan accordingly? You could argue they could delay the game to add what would have been DLC, but why not just delay the game for 20 years to add a whole bunch of new content then?
Then why do they advertise the game costing 49$ while in fact to get everything you need the season pass?
Ubisoft started this trend and it's fucking sucks.
>>333690597
Ironic from someone who doesn't remotely understand how business works. Are you seriously going to pretend a game made in a few months by 10 people costs more than a game made over two years by hundreds of people?
>>333690635
Your company would need to get to the point where it can sustain multiple projects at once in the first place. Which it wouldn't
>>333690130
preload
With so many good fights to take those days, like against censorship, political correctness and the SJW crowd, you choose to go for the only video game company that CONSISTENTLY, with no fail, provides DLC that are practically expansion packs of the highest quality, often, if not always, even outdoing the base game in terms of fun factor.
You can go fuck yourself, OP, I WAAAANT this game to have DLC, actually I wanted Bloodborne to have more DLCs too, because I'm not poor, and they are worth their prices and the some anyway.
Don't ever say shit about FromSoftware's DLC again.
I got the deluxe edition for $60
>>333689783
If you were a game developer for a company like Namco they'd force you to create a DLC plan for after release. This allows the game to have more longevity and more sales in the end.
Quick fact, these kind of large DLC packs almost always costs more to make than what they get back from it. The real earnings from DLC content is from making the game have a presence again in the news allowing for more people to want to buy it.
>>333690708
You have to be 18 or older to post here because legally you aren't even a person yet.
>>333690656
If we had complete games without so many bugs and DLCs people wouldn't spend their time buying Fez and Gone Homo.
>>333689783
You don't know what milestones are or how development works. I'm not even a coder but I know about development. And you have to set your milestones or your projects will go on forever.
>>333690707
Bordermemes popularized the season pass shit.
DLC is cancerous, expansion packs were the best because they tended to add a lot of shit and you got that joy ofgoing and buying the physical expansion CD.
>>333690561
Yes, because From has a track record of ripping people off with their DLCs right?
Why don't you go fuck yourself?
>>333690814
>If we had complete games without so many bugs and DLCs
for that, we would have to pay triple the price now for games. so those who work for game dev have money to pay their rent and for food.
obviously, we are too cheap for that.
>>333690708
Please tell me you think games like Morrowind were made "in a few months by 10 people"
>>333690804
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_video_games_to_develop
>Only games on the list before Xbox 360 and PS4 are an MMO or have retardedly huge marketing campaigns with the exception of Shenmue
k, but I'm sure making simple models for enemies is a lot more difficult and costly than HD assets.
>>333690843
And next you're gonna tell me that Old Hunters wasn't exactly like the old expansion packs in term of added content and quality.
>>333690781
>Don't ever say shit about FromSoftware's DLC again.
Well... they are like Ubisoft with all that merchandise.
>>333689974
>>333690925
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Development_Team
Compare
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Development_Team
>>333690992
I never knew the Halo MMO got that much money sunk into it.
>>333690884
I'm not talking about them you FromSoftnigger
They are not near as bad as Ubisoft and EA
>>333690548
Yes they where, you didn't have to pay for a 50+ person team plus marketing costs, renting/ buying whatever sites you need to record VA/ Mocap. Certification costs testers and so on.
>>333691069
Yeah, and they just completely scrapped it.
Saying anything negative about From should be criminal.
Unless its about what they did to Tenchu, other than that, it is something you simply don't do.
>>333690992
It is when you have to develop a fucking 3D graphics rendering engine first instead of using whatever prebuilt engine is the cheapest
>>333690925
I think he means they didn't cost as much money to create
>>333690915
>for that, we would have to pay triple the price now for games.
Who convinced you that?
Companies are making more money than ever.
>>333691007
I wasn't talking about Fromsoft DLC at all, I'm just talking about as a whole. Don't put words in my mouth, please.
I generally enjoy Fromsoft's DLC. I just liked expansion packs better, as it seems like they had to have a lot of content to be released in the first place, rather than a 5 dollar nickel and dime 'bonus mission pack' type thing that a lot of games do.Muh brood war.
>>333690992
>most of the games on the list are overblown boondoggles that failed
Gee, I wonder why.
>companies making a mountain of money every year despite le pirating
>poor fag trashy middle class teens worrying that piracy might ruin the industry
top kek
>DLC released literally nine fucking months after release was clearly cut from the game!
You're a fucking retard.
>>333689783
hey, it's either that or have nothing to play
What did you guys think of Dark Souls 2's Lost Crowns DLC?
>>333689783
Define unfinished.
Dmc 4 was a borderline unfinished game
Phantom pain was a blatantly unfinished game
Games with guarantees of future content are not.
I like this meme though, I bet someone will get flustered by this bold claim.
>>333690992
>$50 million for a fucking season pass
>>333690130
Preload, and most times, it you want to play it day one, you can get some sort of discount for preodering
>>333691219
Who convinced the hipster generation that without DLC the industry is dead?
>>333691216
I don't like that games nowadays have an absurdly huge amount of time and money spent on voice acting and making rocks super detailed and beautiful instead of putting the effort into the gameplay, but that's what modern devs to and it costs a retarded amount of money.
I'm okay with DLC, even day one, as long as it fits two criteria.
First, it must not pull quality away from the original game. The base game shouldn't need DLC to be complete, and the DLC shouldn't make the base game less enjoyable without it.
Second, it shouldn't be attached to a ticking clock. Artificial rarity is the most cancerous bullshit possible.
From Soft is one of the few that still manage to meet these criteria.
>>333691196
>Companies are making more money than ever.
Only a few companies who have their own niche. Every other gamedev companies by passionate talented people go bankrupt every year.
I will put it this way, only in the video game industry, 9 out of 10 companies collapsed in just a year after releasing their first game, hoping it can pay off all their debts that they collected developing it.
and most of the time, they didn't recover enough so they have to file for bankruptcy to stall people from chasing them with debts.
>>333689783This comic page is 5 and a half years old.
>>333691276
Shulva was kinda neat, Brume was okay, Eleum Loyce was gorgeous and then became annoying bullshit once it turned into backtracking.
>200$ million in marketing cost
>Poor company, without DLC they are going to bankrupt
Oh wow, fuck this. I was so happy with DeS and DS1 at release because they were complete games with no DLC planned (until you faggots kept clamoring for it with DS, then they caved and went full jew mode starting with DS2).
The next video game crash needs to come asap.
>>333690707
>Then why do they advertise the game costing 49$ while in fact to get everything you need the season pass?
Because you can still finish the game without it. It's not like you get to a point in the game and you can't go any further without the DLC.
>>333691276
Better than the main game by a long shot, on par with Vanilla Dark Souls 1, but still slightly inferior to AotA.
But either skip or go as a full stack inside the co-op areas, they are horrible to do solo, in a very unfun way.
>>333691359
because faggots like you won't even try good games without photo realistic graphics
>>333691350
The modern industry is a fucking mess of overbloated budgets combined with gigantic marketing campaigns. DLC is where the real money comes in now. That's why there's so many stupid season passes now.
>>333691451
but they basically chop down the main game into fragments and release dlcs
>>333691545
I understand, but it seems the total price of the game is not 49$ but 49$+ DLC
Everyone will be craving for the DLC
>>333691560
>faggots like me
Cool, one of my favorite game from last gen was SMT IV on the 3DS and it looks like absolute shit, but okay.
>>333689783
No, you're thinking of the well being and fun others will have with that. You need to think of profit. What worth is a person if he doesn't make cash. It's an industry that needs money. A competative battle between each company, and you'd be at the lowest of low.
>>333689783
Let's assume that those 2 DLCs could have been packaged in with the game on it's current release date.
Alright...
Now if they make 2 DLCs after that, and sell a season pass, does that mean the game was unfinished?
>>333691668
top edge mate
you should run for democratic primary
>>333691607
The DLC is extra though. If it was Day 1, even month one, it would be fair enough, but the reality is it will be out about 6 months after, so your point still doesn't stand.
>>333690626
>I don't understand the industry but I'll pretend I do by posting the literal same thing that's posted at some point in any thread regarding this matter because I can be sure there will be a group of people who share my opinion even though anyone who's given more than 20 minutes of actual thought to the subject would know better
Let's think for a moment
Ubisoft spent 350+ million on the last three AC games
All of them sucked
They could have released at least 3 AAA good games with 350 million
To me it looks like they enjoy wasting money, just like most companies today.
>>333691670
The problem is:
Why releasing DLC?
Wouldn't be better to release
Dark Souls 3: ________ (expansion pack)
>>333691772
Ubisoft doesn't care. They don't need to bug test their broken games because morons will still eat up every unfinished game they put out.
>>333689783
>If I were a developer, I'd put all content in the game instead of selling DLCs
Developers usually don't have enough time to put all the content. Hence, we've seen more DLC over the years.
I'm okay with that, but it's the day one bullshit that bugs me.
>>333691883
better for peasants like you
worse for capitalistic pigs of japan :)
>>333691883
That wasn't the problem presented. The problem was if the game was unfinished or not.
Please answer my question.
>>333691946
That's not the point, I'm talking about spending 350+ million in shit games that no one plays
They are not the only ones doing this.
(OP here. I enjoy Dark Souls, I like FromSoft, I just wait 6-12 months to buy all DLCs because it's cheaper)
>>333691772
Does the Collector's Edition of DS3 come with the season pass?
>>333692062
The unfinished problem is regarding to patches and lack of polishing.
>>333691883
Same thing
It's just that large DLCs tend to be called expansions and small ones are basically microtransactions
>>333692131
I'm gonna buy Dark Souls 3, but not at launch. Bloodborne was pretty broken at release so I'll see if there's a patch akin to the loading screen patch first.
>>333692215
Patches and polishing aren't DLC.
>>333692273
>It's just that large DLCs
this teen faggit never saw expansion in his life
>the time has come when /v/ accepts DLC
>>333692318
Exactly
Two different issues
I'm not saying litereally that Dark Souls 2 without DLC is unfinished, I'm saying it's sort of unfinished and pretty much kikery because the DLCs are fucking huge.
>>333692368
>projecting
no pls
What about Diablo II which was considered a broken game and a cash grab by Blizard at launch?
>>333692441
>litereally
*literally
It's LITERALLY ok when Fromsoft does it
FromSoft have 250+ employees and billions, they could afford to make less money and release the DLCs in the game or for free.
>>333692441
......................what?
You're complaining that the DLCs are too large? Why would that be "kikery"?
How can something be "sort of unfinished"? What exactly do you mean? Like, there's a big difference between patching in balance and bug fixes, compared to adding new levels, weapons armors, and characters.
>>333692736
kek
>>333690368
Damn nigga look at all of these successfull modern games on my Steam Library that don't have DLC that apparently don't exist?
There are people who spend 400$ on virtual console games and indie retro shit
>>333691172
>>333691064
Of course Skyrim cost more considering all the millions of dollars they put into voice acting and marketing.
Gameplay wise though it probably cost less than Morrowind considering it has less everything.(Weapons, spells, magic schools, etc.)
Skyrim costing more is still irrelevant considering it made a billion dollars http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/
>>333692478
Can't you play it offline?
>>333692441
>I'm not saying litereally that Dark Souls 2 without DLC is unfinished
>I'm saying it's sort of unfinished
>>333693147
can't install it at all
>>333693148
The definition of a unfinished game is a game that needs DLC to complete
That's not what I said
I'm saying Dark Souls II without DLC feels like an incomplete game
See how is not that hard to understand?
>>333693212
wew lad
RE5 = good example of good DLC use
All ubisoft games = bad example
Dark Souls= ok overall, they could improve.
>>333693116
>Skyrim
>Putting millions into voice acting
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1814884/
Fucking no.
They had like 3 or 4 people do the lines for 90% of the NPCs in the game and got some filler so morons couldn't figure it out in the time it takes them to lose interest.
One DLC model that I loved was CDprojekt's one with The Witcher 3, a dozen of small shit for free, then one dlc that it's pretty much a standalone game (heart's of stone) and they will release blood and wine which will give people a new area with new enemies and such (another pretty much standalone game)
I mean their model is akin to expansion packs from the old days, also From makes good DLC although the one from DS2 could be put in the main game, but AotA and the Old Hunters were god tier expansions/DLC
>>333693558
>RE5 = good example of good DLC use
On fucking disc DLC is a good use to you? REALLY?
>>333693874
>They had like 3 or 4 people do the lines for 90% of the NPCs
And yet they had more than 100 voice actors.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1814884/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast
Yeah I'm sure they paid less than 3 fiddy.
>>333689783
That's why I'm just going to download it without paying for it. Have fun losing $60 to get killed by hackers you cucks.
DLC are a natural cause of the way the consumer handles vidya.
If no one, and I mean fucking no one would buy DLC, there would be no DLC.
But people buy DLC and as long people do that there is a market for that and as long there is a market there will be DLC.
That's like the first 30 minutes into any buisness administration class.
>>333694492
I count 81 VA's
Unless you meant NPCs or something but they just recycle the same lines anyways.
>Breton VA: NEVA SHOULDA COME HERE
>Nord VA: NEVER SHOULD HAVE COMED HERE
Yeah, there's quite a few names on the list but I think you're giving them far too much credit.
>>333694912
voice actors don't write their own lines
Yes, of course. All developers want this.
But the developer has no input on games anymore. None. The jewish bean counters, market researchers and other people specialized in generated a maximum amount Y of money in a given time.
Do you have any idea how it feels when people tell you to cripple your game?
>>333695014
>pc version crashes at the first bonfire if you pick anything other than knight
>>333694912
>Unless you meant NPCs or something but they just recycle the same lines anyways.
Reading those "same lines" still costs money if they're different voices.
"NEVA SHOULDA COME HERE" said by 5 different people takes 5 times the money.
>>333695354
>I use the lack of original writing as a supporting argument on how the voice acting budget of skyrim was smaller than you're claiming
>stOP CHERRYPICKING
>>333690368
More money goes into marketing than into the development of the game. It's their fault if their fiscally incompetent.
They also don't need DLC.
Absolutely no game ever needs DLC.
>>333695025
Except devs are in it for the money as well. They want their game to sell and they get income from the DLC. They are the kek.
>>333695648
>Devs
>Getting any of the money
loool
>>333689783
>If I were a developer,
>If
You'll need to prove to me that they started development on the season pass DLC before the game went gold
Even gearbox, amongst all their fuckeries, didnt start developing borderland 2's season pass DLC until the game went gold
Japs are ripping off the west
They were not like this 20 years ago
>>333690626
>>I don't understand the industry but I'll pretend I do
Pot calling the kettle a nigger
>>333690884
They have a track record of putting out the same exact game just with a slightly different skin on it for decades though.
I really don't get how people can even be excited for DaS3. It's literally the same exact shit as the first 3 souls games. The gameplay is exactly the same. The graphics are marginally better. The game is actually shorter. The bosses all devolve into circle strafing into dodge rolling into hitting once maybe twice rinse and repeat. Its honestly worse than call of duty at this point, at least they tried to change it up with blops3
>>333695808
Western influence on Japan was a mistake.
>>333694492
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1814884/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast
I don't respect companies that give millions to useless actors insteado of using the money to hire beta testers
Sony
>Beyond Two Souls
>The Last of Us
Bethesda
>Every game
>>333695875
Yes and no
Without the west japanese would be sex slaves of China and Japs are good people.
But it was too much influence...
>nu/v/ defending DLC preorders and season passes
Somehow I'm not suprised
>>333691452
None of those companies are the ones selling season passes and DLC
>>333696049
DLCs are bad but there are things that isis worse
Indie
SJW
Blizzard
Things I want in the next few years:
Ubisoft bankrupt worldwide (trashest company ever)
Blizzard building on fire and all people killed
Sony LGBT games sell 500 copies and they bankrupt
>>333696026
>without America nuking Japan twice, they would have been sex slaves of china
Sure. It's like you've already forgotten that it was the japs who had a reputation for raping enemy civilians during war.
>>333689783
>If I were a developer,
If you were a developer you'd probably go bankrupt you fucking loser
>>333695875
Without American occupation Japan would be a communist mess, akin to North Korea. No way we would still have anime. One of the first things America took away was censorship with the exception of communist ideas.
>>333696362
don't cut yourself
>>333696292
>It's like you've already forgotten that it was the japs who had a reputation for raping enemy civilians during war.
They were savages , british invasion and WWI was worse than two atomic bombs
But when it comes to war, Japs, Koreans and Chinese are animals.
The good thing about japanese is when they come to the west they don't destroy or impose they culture
They act like oppressed animals.
And most of them are friendly.
>>333696397
>when it comes to war, Japs, Koreans and Chinese are animals.
Pretty sure america wins that spot by a large margin.
>>333696483
>They act like oppressed animals.
Don't
>>333696531
>Pretty sure america wins that spot by a large margin.
Buy that anti-american propaganda..
I had 14 years old too. Fortunately I didn't buy it.
Chinese spank and kill their own people on the street, think about what they would do to yourself.
>>333696049
Wow an mspaint comic illustrating your shallow viewpoint for the purpose of patting yourself on the back for being so above and beyond the unwashed masses
Never seen one of those before
>>333696627
Almost every army in history from Vikings, to england to the asians have raped, killed, pillaged and brainwash territories they occupied.
And still with all the genociders in history nothing come's close to usa.
No this is not anti american propaganda or viceversa.
>>333689974
There is quite literally no way to Guage the number of pirated copies.
>>333689783
from software dark souls dlcs are exceptionally good quality. never felt bad when completed one so they earned my trust delivering goods. then pirated fall out shitty automatron dlc and i seriously hope nobody bought that shit jesus christ it was bad.
>>333697094
>And still with all the genociders in history nothing come's close to usa.
I present you: Mao and Stalin.
Only bad-will people say that George Bush is worse than Stalin.
>>333697296
That's because they sold you another part of the game that was already done. Did you think they made it after the game released because they were being nice? Lol
Without memes
Explain what the fuck a season pass is and why they don't call it disk lockable content instead
>>333697707
I know who the important figures are. Still, not even close.
>>333690884
/v/ is full of retards that dont remember (maybe they didnt even notice) that the DS2 port was downgraded in graphics, then 4 months later came the "64bit DX11 DS2 super edition" and guess what? at the same price, later they gave you the option to let you upgrade, but its Bullshit since many people didnt even notice they were playing an inferior version (console equivalent), they do have a record but you are to retarded to notice
>>333697832
Giving an opportunity to consumers to secure their purchase of all (or most) additional content that's to be added to the game for a (usually) cheaper price than if they bought it later or individually. To purchase a season pass is to say you are absolutely sure that you will play and enjoy it and/or have absolutely no issue spending the amount of money that you did on it.
They don't call it disk lockable content because that'd be a very stupid thing to do in the scope of business. No shit.
Just don't buy it, you moron
