How does /v/ like the new Baldur's Gate expansion?
I personally feel like it's too little too late.
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>>333686339
There's a new expansion? I havent played the enhamced editions, only tge originals
>>333686339
How are you supposed to get -15AC in BG1 for that achievement? Is it even possible?
Baldur's Gate was never good and the only people who pretend to like it are millennials who are memeing about how Bioware sucks now and how they're hardcore because they play their earlier games
>>333688276
>>333686339
>>333687995
This character is such a non-issue it isn't funny. There are a million other things wrong with this expansion, and you lot are focusing on an incredibly minor issue.
>>333688376
Its symbolic.
The character is symbolic for everything that is wrong in the expansion.
>play game
>see a character
>it's not a straight white male
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Time to make a thread on /r/kotakuinaction!
>>333688376
You're right.
From what I've seen the overall quality of writing is dog shit and are the bugs. I'm looking for something redeemable and can't find it.I still want to buy it though and really m8, it's good to point at laugh at the ridiculousness of it all.
I had to try pretty hard to find this conversation, really weird how big of a deal its become. Not like the game was good anyway, its runescape but worse.
>>333686339
That fucking uguu mary sue main character portrait triggers me more than the tranny.
>>333688484
Bullshit. It's 'symbolic' of /v/'s usual obsession with the ESS JAY DUBYAS.
Focusing on this one character just gives the devs and the media ammunition to dismiss any legitimate critiques.
>>333688376
The problem is that this kind of attitude is present in pretty much every piece of dialogue that deals with a female character or gender in general
>try out new difficulty
>it resets after you load your save
Bravo beamdog.
>>333688734
>Game lets you kill misogynists
Sold!
>>333688734
>i kill you
>i kill you
>i kill you
>i kill you
>i kill you
bravo beamdog
>>333688638
>implying this expansion wasn't made exclusively to push SJW agenda
>>333686339
>NPC is literally named Manwoman.
>In a fucking fantasy setting where perfect changing to the other gender is pretty simple
Transexuals literally do not belong in the D&D setting unless the author/DM is specifically making some special snowflake to stand out. It is simple to completely and perfectly switch from a man to a woman or vice versa. Not to mention that men and women are equal in the D&D setting. Thus there is no such thing as a fucking tranny.
>>333688734
I don't necessarily have a problem with having the option to respond like that - I do have a problem with ONLY being able to respond like that. The inherent problem I've had so far in the expansion is that I rarely feel like I can actually role-play my alignment. Establishing NPCs as a 'protected' class wherein there is only one possible response to them just seems so bizarre in an RPG.
>>333688734
>no banter option
Shit game.
>>333688734
>can't flirt
It's like the writer never met a trans person before
>"hello! I'm trans"
trannies never tell their sex identity to people they met for the first time.
>>333689028
Welcome to the world of SJWs. They should be allowed to write for medievalish fantasy games.
I don't care. We already have BGT and a whole bunch of mods out there. You can even make characters with custom portraits. This expansion never existed.
>>333688638
>Focusing on this one character just gives the devs and the media ammunition to dismiss any legitimate critiques.
Legitimate critiques were given, then the devs pretended it was all just 'transphobia' instead. No fault of the critics.
>>333689028
Welcome to modern gaming, at least the different personality choices in blade runner were amusing
>>333689187
shouldn't
>>333688486
>play classic game
>suddenly the UI and artstyle has gone to shit and I haven't even bought the expansion
>not to mention that there's a new super easy mode where it's impossible to fail
BETTER GO ON /v/ TO DEFEND THIS GARBAGE LIKE BETAKEK.
>>333689187
They shouldn't be allowed to write for ANY kind of game. All they do is ruin. They do not know how to create.
>>333687840
What did the enhanced versions on Steam change about the original games?
>>333689296
True.
>>333688734
Yeah it's just such a gross misunderstanding of the setting that they just inserted real life opinions and issues where they have no purpose being.
It's a world where flesh to stone and shit is every day common to people. There's a belt that changes your gender for funsies. Someone having such a tumblr transgendered background is as ridiculous as conversations about blazing it up cause lol weed bro. Neither of them fit and the whole game just is poorly written and made.
Hiding behind NO ITS GAMERGATE is lazy.
>>333689313
Nothing was changed.
All they did was add some NPCs (all of them suck and are not worth using) and some new items.
>>333688486
>Strawman argument
Ha ha! Take that Gamergators!
>>333689313
4 (mediocre to horrible) new party member and questlines associated with them and some minor qol changes
>>333689457
Don't forget the Stupifier! a +1 mace that was the best weapon in the game until it was nerfed in the 2.0 patch. And you could get it as soon as you get to Beregost!
Literally the dumbest thing about BG1EE.
>>333689457
And of course 2 gay new companions!! I'm so sick of this shoehorned shit.
>>333689313
If you want to play Baldur's Gate, get TuTu or BGT (they combine BG1 and BG2 into a single package), then all of these mods:
tamrielfoundry.com/topic/the-ultimate-baldurs-gate-experience/
then your pick of the fanmade character mods.
No need for EE or this bs.
>>333689578
was it at least hidden?
Baldur's Gate 1 had a lot of little hidden shit hidden inside pixels around the first few maps. The Ring of Wizardy which was a huge boon to a shitty, shitty level 1 wizard. I mean it DOUBLED your spells per day from 1 to 2!
there was also a diamond you could find in a tree stump's hollow (aka free 1000 Gold)--little stuff like that.
>>333689790
Fucking this.
You can get everything EE give and more for free
>>333689578
Oh it was nerfed?
That explains why it proc'd maybe once an ingame month.
>>333689908
It wasn't hidden if you went around looting.
Its just in a desk on the second floor of the Burning Wizard inn.
>>333689965
Yeah it was nerfed.
Original: +1 Mace. 25% chance each hit to stun for 3 rounds no save.
Nerfed: +1 Mace. 10% chance each hit to stun for 1 round. Save vs spell negates.
Serious question about tranny fags
Why is it always ALWAYS male to female trans faggots? Why are they always the most vocal?
Genuinely curious here
>>333689790
Any dignifigant difference between the two? I never really messed with mods back in the day and only played the original games.
>>333686339
Dev said her aim was to reflect the reality in the game. Remember when you would ask a kid what they want to be, and they'd answer "a doctor/fireman/policeman etc."? Now they all want to be genderfluid voidsexual demitransboys because that's the reflection of what they truly are. It's not the dev's fault. Shake my head family.
Then again, it raises the question why would anyone want to reflect the real world in fantasy fiction, especially this aspect of it. I don't recall ever seeing a hippie or a metalhead in an RPG.
>>333690213
because female to males adopt the male ability to not give a shit
>>333690213
Because the ones who have trouble passing are generally the most bitter and it's less of a problem for FtM
>>333690169
Ah, that's lame.
The percentage needs to be raised back to 25% really.
Keep the save vs spell, that's fair enough, the stun only being 1 round I guess but with all of that and a low percentage to actually proc explains completely why it very very rarely ever actually happened for me.
>>333690169
Btw, dat terrible pun.
Beamdog writers need to be gassed.
>>333690292
>I don't recall ever seeing a hippie or a metalhead in an RPG.
Ah jeez.
I'm so sorry Anon... they included those too.
Or at least the hippie.
I don't have the screencap but you basically get high with some druggie and become a valley girl.
>>333690292
Hmm, well there was a Blind Guardian concert in Sacred 2. Then again Sacred 2 has a lot of weird stuff in it so its not really that unfitting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyfE55c_ZjI&nohtml5=False
>>333690479
And this still sounds more entertaining than delusional trannies.
>>333690384
>named + weapons used to have neat little stories attached.
>now they have a few lines of rhymes and bad puns.
>>333690627
Well that stopped when Beamdog gave literally every weapon/armor a name.
The thing is, nerds don't even care about trannies. There are countless (ok maybe not countless) trannies and weirdos and gays in these types of games and no one bats an eye. Morrison, one of the most prolific DC comics characters writes trannies into his comics all the time.
It has never really been a problem for those types of people. It's only when people start treating them as something special or infallible that people start thinking that those characters are shit.
>User reviews: Mostly Positive (253 reviews)
Goober gaters BTFO.
>>333690908
Thanks for reminding me I need to write a negative review.
>>333690908
All the top reviews are still "not recommended".
The influx of positive reviews is because of beamdog devs begging their fanbase for positive reviews.
>>333690275
Nothing major. I used BGT and that worked excellently for me.
Also check out some of the custom NPC mods. Kelsey and Keto are both sensible mods with solid writing. Saerileth is a bollocks Mary Sue. Chloe is an insufferable asshole (but you can kill her at the start of the game and sell her swords for profit, which I somehow always find hilarious). There's also an 'Imoen romance' mod which is great... if you're into that sort of thing.
>>333691112
>begging for positive reviews instead of making a good game or fixing said game
>>333690292
>voidsexual
>>333686339
I don't understand these people.
What did we ever ruin for them? What did we ever ruin for anyone. We play games. geesh
>>333690531
Sacred 2 also has a sci-fi gun literally named BFG, it's not really a serious game.
>>333690351
Shit... I think you are right... It's always horrible manjaw trannies the ones that are starting all these shitstorms.
>>333688376
SJWs are just yelling "transphobia!" as a way to shutdown legitimate critics to this expansion.
>>333691823
The races and classes in Sacred 2 were pretty neat.
I always liked the Egyptian golem robot thing with a fucking energy cannon and flamethrower.
>>333692085
And it's sort of working.
>>333691308
Wow, it's like looking at a hypothetical tumblrized version of my crush.
>>333692202
It's never failed to work in the past either.
So are they actually removing the tranny character all together of just 'improving' it.
>>333692085
Games are meant as an enjoyable passtime. Not as their political tool.
>>333692202
Of course the gaming news sites will spin this story, but thankfully this guys are such huge dickheads that even normies won't believe them.
>>333688638
no, criticizing a poorly written character whose hamfisted political commentary ruin the tone of the game is a valid criticism even if you are pro-trans. your ad hominem is cute though. babbi's first argument.
>>333686339
why don't make a new game instead of an expansion? That's my main problem.
>>333686339
They could have just turned this into a quest and avoided this whole debacle. The only problem is that they're hacks and can't write.
>>333688376
The smallest bit of communism creeping into our entertainment industry wasn't a non-issue when it was happening.
This isn't a non-issue either.
I wish McCarthyism was still around. They're trying to fucking push communism in schools now without any kind of mask or need for hiding. It's disgusting.
>>333692504
Not really. You make whatever games you like and the market will decide what's good and what's not.
Of course, hijacking a game with an established name is rotten, but people are so starved for these kind of RPGs that they're willing to overlook the political content of the game.
Same thing with the KOTOR fan remake. It looks like shit, but people are gobbing it up.
>>333692085
I haven't seen a single thread on /v/ about Siege of Dragonspear that doesn't focus on this one trans character, so they have a point.
>>333692695
This.
Even actual trans people have posted on beamdog's forums saying I don't like this character. Please remove it.
>RTWP
Horrible fucking format. If your game has enough of a strategic/micromanagement aspect element to need pause then make it turn-based.
>managing multiple characters in any game with substantial RP content
Another terrible idea. The player's attention should be focused on building their character and interacting with others through that character. Dealing with multiple just adds tons of excess micro-management to the mix.
You only control one character in a tabletop campaign for a reason.
I like to think that PC roleplaying has left BG behind, but unfortunately I don't think that's the case. I'm glad the expansion isn't even worth bothering with though.
>>333692906
>not liking the original BG
Fuck off. Opinion discarded.
>>333692856
Saying a trans character is poorly written and that the conversation doesn't fit on a medieval fantasy game isn't transphobia, so they don't have a point at all.
>>333692906
maybe if you got gud enough to play it without pause you'd have fun, shitter
>>333692876
It's because it's never black/trans/gays that do this. It's people that get offended on their behalf.
>>333692906
>RTWP
I love that format! I wish more RPG games would play around with it.
>>333693085
>maybe if you were a pathetic munchkin like me you'd understand why it's good to completely disregard the point of roleplaying games
>>333692985
Baldur's Gate is largely responsible for why big budget WRPGs are so terrible today
>>333693085
I'd like to see someone beat Final Irenicus or Final Mellisan without pausing.
>>333693041
>fantasy game
trans could be normal in that world you bigot
but seriously, if it's fantasy you really can't hold them to the same standards as you would our medieval Europe
>>333693210
Not really.
The reason big budget wrpgs suck is because the companies that make them are incompetent.
>>333686339
The interface is shit
The netplay is unplayable
Constant crashes and bugs
It runs worse than a fucking 2D top-down game from twenty years ago
The story is boring and sterile
internet memes
Everything about this game is shit. If you look at the reviews on Steam it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 70% negative reviews. But the devs get to delete bad reviews about their game, so they do.
This game is a mockery of everything BG stood for. Also Transvestites in this game make zero fucking sense because any medium-sized town has an apothecary who can make a gender swap potion for like 10G.
There's a fucking gender-swapping belt just laying along the coast.
I hope this entire fucking studio goes under.
>>333692906
>RTWP
>Horrible fucking format
Get back to your jrpgs.
>>333688819
>game offers false choice in a genre where role playing and making choices redeem poor graphics and repetitive combat because different choices would be problematic.
Wow sold! what a cool concept! Thanks progressivism!
>>333693325
>But the devs get to delete bad reviews about their game, so they do
If that's the case why are all of the top 50 reviews bad?
Can't believe you crybullies made Beamdog censor their game.
If you don't like the themes, don't play the game.
No need to ruin it for everyone, arseholes.
>>333689028
This.
In BG you used to have the option of joining in on all matters of racist, hateful, sexist banter. It was fun because you made the decision to do that.
Then it's "LEL HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CRUSH THIS SOGGY NEE?"
>>333693325
>It runs worse than a fucking 2D top-down game from twenty years ago
I haven't had any framerate issues, what do you mean by this?
>>333688943
yeah that's the biggest thing. with polymorphing and shape changing potions it makes no fucking sense. if someone is born a tranny they could just go to a wizard.
>>333693407
>No need to ruin it for everyone, arseholes.
If they are enjoying the expansion they deserve to be shit on.
>>333693264
Just because it's a fantasy setting doesn't mean that they've made advances in civil rights.
Underrail when?
>>333693398
Because they don't delete every review. People would notice if the review with 1000 likes immediately disappeared.
Read more about how Steam enables shitty devs to control criticism of their game here: http://www.pcgamer.com/train-simulator-2014-developer-hiding-negative-steam-user-reviews-flagged-as-off-topic/
>>333689028
The idea that a woman might like or even indulge someone catcalling her is alien to them.
>>333693295
The problem is that Baldur's Gate was successful despite being incompetent because it happened to be released at the time when RTS was popular and then the formula kept copied without understanding which parts were worth copying
>>333688376
it's called falseflagging
>>333693482
>civil rights
Civil rights don't have anything to do with trannies.
Unless you want psychopaths running free killing people, instead of being incarcerated in mental hospitals.
>>333693452
>Works for me :^)
Try playing the game online. Witness it shit itself.
Or better yet, read one of the thousand reviews slamming the poorly implemented backporting of code which causes the game to chug in certain NPC-heavy areas.
>>333693407
>their game
Last I checked Beamdog wasn't Black Isle, so it's not their fucking game.
>>333688734
I call my friends faggots all the time as a term of endearment, and it never fails to amuse me when some people act like I just raped a puppy. They get even more confused when they try to get in my face and all I do is grin broadly and tell them they're being bigger queers than my boyfriend.
This guy is a warrior, he probably calls his friends all kinds of nasty shit. When you're one axe strike to the throat away from death, breaking balls is just a way to pass the time and laugh.
>>333693583
>Baldur's Gate was successful despite being incompetent
Bioware wasn't incompetent at the time. They actually made good games.
>>333693532
but new bad reviews definitely get deleted.
I heard rumors that Beamdog finally paid up to hire a PR company to handle their marketing.
>>333693264
>trans could be normal in that world you bigot
It is normal, because you can buy a fucking potion that changes it completely.
Literally no one would know in this world if he didn't say anything. Someone saying "I AM TRANSGENDER GUYS, LOOK AT ME! LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE I AM!" In a world where you can buy medicine to swap from the fucking supermarket would make him look like a fucking attention whore.
This is like praising someone because they could go buy their own bottle of aspirin.
If you don't like SJW bullshit why don't you just make your own games instead of trying to force devs to make games how you want them?
>>333693610
Is this in the original game or in the expansion?
>>333693325
Can you give me a rundown on what the story of the expansion is?
>>333693748
Expansion, Original online from GoG works great from my experience.
Haven't tried getting the old discs out with a tunneling program. So.
>>333693784
Shit happens and you kill the big boss of IWD, at a lower level than the characters in IWD, on the demons home plane, thus killing him permanently.
>>333693740
>>333693784
I refunded it when I learned that I couldn't play with my m8s because of the crippling bugs and issues. Frankly, I don't care at this point. The game is trash.
>>333693325
Edwina did it before it was cool.somebody get this jerk a banana
>>333693605
These mentally ill degenerates are only allowed rights because we have a surplus of resources. A medieval society wouldn't let they indulge their delusions unless they were rich.
>>333693730
This repeated fucking argument is retarded in the extreme.
No, magic / alchemy like that isn't like going to the grocery store.kill everyone in this thread
>>333690275
I dont remember, just download both BGT and Tutu
Simmary: It can be fun. But only because BG was such a great game. Everything Beamdog made is lackluster.
I can elaborate on why. But I'd rather just write a steam review.
>>333694128
Depends on the city and how fucking mental the local mages are.
>>333693730
>Literally no one would know in this world if he didn't say anything. Someone saying "I AM TRANSGENDER GUYS, LOOK AT ME! LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE I AM!" In a world where you can buy medicine to swap from the fucking supermarket would make him look like a fucking attention whore.
It really does feel so silly.
They could have had fun with the general idea of gender swapping-say you meet a wandering bard who wants to seduce a wealthy man into being his patron, so you help him mix up a potion of gender swapping,but in the process it's possible to fuck it up and cause the potion to cause him to randomly swap geners every few minutes, his plan falls through and he/she is all pissed at you but he then makes a career as THE AMAZING MAN-WOMAN and sells out crowds while glitching between genders as he/she sings and shit.
I pulled that out of my ass and it's more interesting than this bland character.
>>333694128
>No, magic / alchemy like that isn't like going to the grocery store.
It is if you're an adventurer.
You find this shit all the time.
>>333694181
Really?
I found Dorn and Rasaad to be pretty good.
Dorn's quest in one was pretty lackluster and i haven't tried 2's quest.
Rasaad's quests in both were pretty okay if done at appropriate levels so you don't clear them too easily.
Neera is a bit annoying but tolerable except in 2 where she won't stop being a pain in the ass.
Never tried Hexxat though but she doesn't seem interesting, plus "Hexxat" looked cooler anyway.
>>333694128
>No, magic / alchemy like that isn't like going to the grocery store.
Yes it is. It literally is. That's what the world of BG is like. It would cost a lot, but it's not like those things are all too rare.
On an unrelated note, I was always suspicious of Imoen's cursed girdle which she couldn't remove. Was she once the protagonist's brother?
>>333694151
Bad advice. There is no reason to use Tutu anymore.
BGT is all you need.
>>333694241
>They could have had fun with the general idea of gender swapping-say you meet a wandering bard who wants to seduce a wealthy man into being his patron, so you help him mix up a potion of gender swapping,but in the process it's possible to fuck it up and cause the potion to cause him to randomly swap genders every few minutes, his plan falls through and he/she is all pissed at you but he then makes a career as THE AMAZING MAN-WOMAN and sells out crowds while glitching between genders as he/she sings and shit.
Writing fun and interesting trans characters is literally that easy, folks.
>>333694401
Cursed girdle of lore shield.
Makes her immortal in chapter 1
>>333694401
>On an unrelated note, I was always suspicious of Imoen's cursed girdle which she couldn't remove
IIRC, that was just a scripted item that prevented her from dying, so she could get kidnapped at the surface.
If she dropped to fatal health, she'd start a dialogue saying "holy shit I ain't dying here", leave the party and go out of screen. To show up when you exit, of course.
The belt disappears when you rescue her.
>>333694401
Money is a strange thing in fantasy games.
100 gold is a lot to an npc but 100k is almost nothing to an adventurer.
So the only people buying this sort of shit are adventurers and merchants, so I can see if the character was a poor farmer or something that wanted help becoming a woman.
...but it's a cleric with expensive magic items so fuck it beamdog are retards.
>>333694128
We're talking about a low mid-level cleric here, one who fights in wars. The loot of one won battle should cover the expenses.
Besides the campaign started in Baldurs Gate. There is a giant, well stocked magic market there.
If that is not enough, a priest can ask for literal miracles from their very real god. Something like changing sexes is small play for gods.
>>333694401
Most irremovable items are there to help trigger a script that makes the character get the fuck out of dodge when their health drops too low.
>>333693905
That's a hasty assumption you're making there but I understand where it's coming from at least. Thanks for answering.
>>333693852
Thanks for the info, I don't recall much from IWD's end apart from the fact you get to kill the shopkeeper.
>>333694501
>>333694518
So it's literal plot armour. Hah.
>>333694536
>>333694552
There's also the fact that favors are taken very seriously in BG, so if the tranny did something to earn a mages or rich blokes favor it'd be fairly easy to get swapped over
>>333686339
Were the sprites always like that? They look quite disgusting.
>>333691747
Underrated post
>>333694536
>a poor farmer or something that wanted help becoming a woman.
Even THAT is much better-why not have a quest you can do?
>I think I'd be happier as a woman, will you help me?
>Yes, i'll get you a potion
>I will invoke the power of my God to assist you, friend
>Not my business
>Get away from me, you freak!
Hey look, now it fits the world! And gives you CHOICES. It's not just a bizarre background element that comes out of nowhere.
>>333694767
Its part of the UI for SoD, you can turn it off.
>>333694456
If I recall BGT replaces a bunch of thing from BGI Like sounds and images and the engine in general with the BGII ones. If he simply wants to go back and play BGI as it was Tutu should be better as it has all the old soundfonts and what not. I think BGT also added a bunch of unnecessary things balance wise and Tutu in general is closer to the original.
Does anyone else have memories of terror when accidentally (or not) assaulting someone?
I was young. The blue circles turning red gave me the serious heebie jeebies.
>>333694456
Terrible advice.
Tutu is much closer to the original where as Trilogy has a bunch of arbritrary changes and goes so far as to add things from BG2
>>333695006
Considering I was 18 when BG1 came out, no. I wasn't scared when fighting shit.
>>333694384
Didn't take Dorn in my SoD playthrough.
Neera now literally has a voice in her head which makes her appear stark raving mad.
The writing is all over the place. The main problems are bad pacing (especially in romances), plotholes and railroadind and limited dialogue choices.
Your choices in a dialogue come down to: good, sarcastic dick, jew and edgy murderer. Sometimes every option is a dick move, like with recruiting Jaheira. Telling her to stop talking was the nicest option.
Sometimes the options are limited for ideological reasons. Somebody calls you a wench. You have 5 choices on how to be bitchy.
The infamous tranny dialogue was the same. All your choices were basically supportive of modern, american leftist thinking on trannies, i.e. they're really their chosen gender no matter biology. Which is why people got irritated so much.
>>333694845
BGT has more bugs squashed (it's the more recently updated project) and is preferred if you're going to play through all the games (which I assumed, there's no point in just wanting to play BG1).
>>333694845
>>333695150
The differences in balancing/feel between the two are tiny, and not worth getting wound up about. Unless you've played both games within the last year or so it's basically unnoticeable.
>>333688734
>>333686339
The worst part of this is that there is no option to express disagreement with the SJWs point of view unlike every other conversation in RPG games, where multiple points of view can be expressed even if we can assume the writer doesn't like those points of view.
It's a nice look into their mind. They cannot fathom the idea of allowing people to disagree with them.
So what other games can be "improved" by making it more "current" and "pc" in a really outo f place way? how about a new doom or quake where everytime you pull the trigger a black lives matter activist scolds and lectures you about gun control and gun related crime statistics
>>333695245
>Neera now literally has a voice in her head which makes her appear stark raving mad.
Isn't that a quest tho?
I mean there's an achievement that says "Help Neera rid herself of the voice in her head" or something.
>>333688734
these dialogue options though
>ugh, the misogyny! i dont even!
>dont ever talk to me or my son again!
>are you kidding me?!
>[pulp fiction reference]
>TRIGGERED! DIE!
>>333688554
Played it to completion and only encountered one bug where the new shaman companion just vanished from my camp never to be seen again. Zero fucks were given because shamans are terrible anyway.
But yeah, the writing at times is terrible. Especially anything concerning Caelar, her pet mage and the crusade.
I did like the NPC banter though.
>>333693210
modern rpgs suck because a lack of role-play opportunities.
that's not limited to westren ones btw.
>>333690531
that's because blind guardian are all huge nerds and liked the other sacred games so they did 2's music for dirt cheap.
>>333692136
>>333691823
that's because sacred is set in a post apocalypse world still recovering from the magic vs. tech apocalypse / magic vs. divinities apoc.
>>333689313
some dialogue that was deemed sexist was changed to be more "empowering"
so a complete change of the original concept
>>333692136
sacred gold is better.
because dwarf.
>>333689348
gamergate has become the jews of left leaning, professional victims.
blaming it for almost everything to distract from the problems
>>333695404
It is a quest. One that takes until the last chapter to deal with.
Another thing. You remember the banter between NPCs from Dragon Age Origins? SoD has them too now. Which is horrible, because once you run into a random enemy, the banter breaks off.
Which is so bad, because unlike BG1, where you explore the wilds and have a few run ins every map, SoD packs the maps chock full with shit to fight. Goblins, Orcs, Ogres, an Ettin, Wolfes, Spiders (trap everytime), Undead. All on the same area map. Every group like 20 Orcs strong.
Doing these little banters also means the player has no influence on the actual chat. In BG2 a player could oftentimes influence NPCs or give their own opinion. But not here.
>>333692828
itt: retarded brainwashed murrkan who thinks socialism = communism.
>especially when the closest humans have ever gotten to communism is the anarcho-syndicalismists in the Spanish civil war. who all got murdered off by the fascists.
do u eb in history. murrikant?
>>333695568
Don't forget the Shaman is a dirty, stinking goblin.
If I wanted to play a goblin, I'd have rolled a gnome.
Finally the game is progressive enough for me to play it. Not that I will. I've got better things to do with my time.
>>333694241
but guess what, that's problematic because it represents transexualism as a curse and a joke so THAT'S unacceptable. the only valid way to represent trans characters is to make a really big deal out of it but then act like its completely normal.
>>333689215
the fault lies with the loud people freaking out about there being a trans character. I guarantee you if those redditors didn't rush in and yell about SJWs maybe there'd be space to actually talk about the game properly
>>333693041
It's the fact that everyone seems to be focusing on that one character as if it's a huge flaw in the game.
>>333694793
>allowing people to make problematic choices.
>>333688484
The thing wrong with the expansion is that it exists.
Play the original games and ignore this retarded beamdog fanfiction.
>>333686339
wtf happen to those sprite ?
>>333697221
exactly. it's a total non issue..one npc hardly affects the game experience. talk about actual game mechanics/plot
>>333695368
it shows, at very best, that the dialogue was written by someone who has no idea how an rpg works or why people enjoying playing them.
>>333695372
duke3d changed so the strippers kill you instantly when you try to get them to flash.
Beamdog is trying to be like Bioware, shoehorning in SJW content into the game to try to CHANGE VIDEO GAMES and be more "inclusive", not actually understanding that the only reason Bioware could do that was because Dragon Age and Mass Effect sold millions of copies and are mainstream.
Baldur's Gate is not mainstream. It's only audience are oldschool gamers with oldschool interests. They burned down the only bridge they had to appeal to people who don't know they exist.
They put the cart in front of the hourse. Way to sabotage your own company. I can't wait until they put out Torment Enhanced Edition and Nameless One is now transgendered.
>>333697564
could just be laziness. This is a pretty minor npc
>>333692695
in a vaccuum you arent wrong, but in the real world where things have context you have to be an utter moron to try and focus your critiques on the one politically charged thing you can talk about. Theres nothing inherently morally wrong with taking your criticisms in that direction, but it will inevitably end in you being called transphobic or some such because you walked right into a minefeild and are now surprised at the explosions going on around you.
as far as i can tell making this character the center of the btching means 1 of 2 things. Either you are so blinded to our modern culture that you genuinely didnt see this coming, or this isnt really about the game at all and its just another excuse to go on an sjw witch hunt and ironically promote your own political agenda.
so go ahead and bitch all you want, the character is genuinely pretty poorly written after all, but understand what you are doing and dont be surprised when people take it the wrong way.
>>333696547
socialism is the intermediate step between communism and socialism. Communism as a system doesn't actually exist beyond anarchy. Communism is used interchangeably with socialism because a socialist country often aims for the communist ideal. Really, calling something socialist is more scathing than communist because communism aims to honor voluntarism while socialism only concerns itself with democracy and collectivism.
sorry your shitty third world country government tells you they don't have the worst government system mankind has ever known to placate you, but that's your ignorance, not america's.
>>333697949
what the fuck are you talking about? people do this all the time. Its called symbolism and its done because the mouth breathing masses can't focus on an in-depth analysis.
>>333697968
Certainly communism is an ideal that everyone should work against even if it wouldn't work right now. You'd have to be a complete sociopath to think otherwise.
>>333686339
The expansion in general sounds kinda shitty and underwhelming.
Unfortunately, the transvestite character seems to be deliberately designed as bait and so both sides are making mountains of molehills. Politics aside, surely the character could just find somebody with magic to help change their sex entirely? It doesn't seem to be well thought out.
>>333695245
I was meaning in the EE base games.
I fully expect SoD's everything to be 10 times worse.
>>333698121
and that isnt a bad tactic to use, ut making that symbol a highly politically charged thing was a terrible plan and has doomed all critiques of the expansion to be seen in a negative light regardless of their validity.
As an example, there are a lot of really legitimate reasons to be pissed off at how the Obama administration has run things, but if you start talking about how this nigger is ruining our country then you have just set yourself up to be at best ignored and at worst take your own cause back a few steps.
Framing matters when we are talking about public perception and in this instance the framing couldn't have been worse if you tried
>>333698227
We should jump into a horrible government system that has killed more people than war because someday somehow magically anarchism may make everyone share? are you brain damaged?
>>333698238
>Politics aside, surely the character could just find somebody with magic to help change their sex entirely?
Considering this literally happens with Edwin anyway...
>>333688734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XYgyDP9iM8
>>333697648
They will never do a Torment EE thanks to the practical incarnation, he does some fucked up shit for reasons you can't really dispute and thanks to him being integral the to plot, story and backstory it's not like they could change him without re-writing the entire game.
>>333698617
>killed more people than war
>jump into
Yes I'm the brain damaged one..
I started my first BG:EE playthrough and picked up Neera to see if she's really that bad.
Aside from being slightly annoying she's good. I tought her Cloudkill from the scroll you can pick up in the wilderness south of Nashkel.
With Nahal's Reckless Dweomer she can cast any spell in her spellbook so I've been using her to throw Cloudkill on every tough or annoying group of enemies before I even entered the mines.
Sometimes I have to reload when shit goes terribly wrong but for BG enemies the damage is just too much, nothing survies the aoe cloud of death.
>>333698584
the difference is your example is vapid racism while this focus is a legitimate example of both shallow out of place writing and hamfisted political commentary. just because your political philosophy blinds you to this fact does not make it bad.
>>333698793
I think he means the 20 or so million people killed by Stalin.
>>333698812
>Sometimes I have to reload when shit goes terribly wrong
...Are you save scrumming wild magic?
Nigga that's fucking low.
>>333696547
They got murdered by the fascists because anarchists are weak and fascists are strong.
If anarchism is too weak to survive, it can't be a good system.
>>333698752
From a in-universe perspective it seems like the most logical option
The devs just want an attention seeking character don't they? So they can get more brownie points in their hugbox
>>333698227
>you're a sociopath if you don't share my childish utopian dreams
good luck with that
>>333698793
http://web.stanford.edu/group/sreview/Archive/XXIVno1/books.html
educate yourself
>>333686339
>positive choice, semi positive/neutral choice, put off to later choice
where is the stab the homo in the chest with your sword choice?
>>333698828
>the difference is your example is vapid racism while this focus is a legitimate example of both shallow out of place writing and hamfisted political commentary.
valid point, but when it comes to perception the difference is practically moot and thats the unfortunate part. I have no doubt that this character is genuinely horribly written and the expansion in general is pretty subpar, but i also have no doubt that there are tons and tons of other things that could be focused on that dont have an absurd amount of political baggage associated with it and would advance the cause of actively and publicly critiquing this expansion far better than simply making this into another "muh sjw's" issue because even if that is a real concern to you id hope that by this point you'd realize that nothing good ever comes out of discussions framed in that way.
dont get me wrong, i dont disagree with your position by a mile, im just trying to say that the way its been framed and the symbol thats been chosen to represent that position were almost the worst possible choices.
>>333698986
anarchism is dumb system because there's no way to mediate anything. Communism and anarcho-captialism are the same systems: one just thinks everyone will work together and become pals and not give a shit about their own well being while the other believes market forces will reach their peak potential and everyone will just respect each other's rights despite no obligation to do so.
>>333698238
It might actually be interesting to see a quest where you help a character who wants to become a women find a sex change potion or something.
But that would require actual effort, and it's much easier to shoehorn in a token fag.
Wait, what's with graphics, it wasn't like that even in original Baldur, let alone enhanced?
>>333699253
not everyone deifies transsexuals; some hate transsexuals and most are neutral. the few radicals would latch onto the fact that a transsexual character exists and use it as the justification anyways. It doesn't matter what we focus on to them and they'll never change their mind. This conversion is important for the normal people who don't want to waste their money on some stupid social manifesto.
Reminder that Detect Illusions is one of the most broken abilities in BG.
>>333699713
>It doesn't matter what we focus on to them and they'll never change their mind.
im going to guess the "they" in this statement is hardcore sjw's and if thats the case then you are absolutely right, you arent going to change the minds of people who are dug in to their position.
But what you are forgetting about are all the average people out there who dont have a particular agenda. These are the people who arent jumping to praise/decry their beng a trans character, but none the less they have been raised in the modern western world and the notion that "inclusion is good and discrimination is bad" has been drilled into them since birth. What they see first and what sticks with them is bitching about the existance of a minority character regardless of how much that misses the mark on your true feelings. These are the people who you lose when you frame the issue around the trans character because then you turn your position into the position of bigots in their eyes no matter how true that is.
I guess what really matters here is your goal. If you want to just stir the pot and piss off sjws while making some legitimate criticisms then good job. However if your goal was to make more people see that this expansion is bullshit then you have not only missed the mark but likely done harm to your own cause
>>333699483
It's the new and improved EE 2.0 engine. Everything looks disgusting, especially the UI. If you decide to buy EE now make sure you're installing 1.3.
Literally the only improvement is that you can have an item in the off-hand slot while wielding a 2-handed weapon.
It's pretty good. People like to pretend Baldur's Gate games always had his legendary writing but it's mostly nostalgia goggles. The BG had OK writing and so does SoD. It actually fits in with the rest nicely.
I like the NPC Banters when you're walking, it doesn't interfere with moving around and it's interesting at times. I'm enjoying it so far and I was pretty skeptical going in.
Most people hate it because of the sperglords doing what they do about that one character and using the true issues as a shield. The bugs aren't gamebreaking, at least not for me, I don't know what the fuck some other people are doing but some of the bug complaints I've seen made are just bullshit because they are mad about muh sjw's.
>>333700387
here's a thought, don't buy EE
the new characters are no more canon and no better written than mod characters that were available a decade ago.
>>333686339
So is the SJW pandering really that obvious and numerous in this addon? I was thinking of getting it, but on GOG the reviews are abysmal. Like seriously I've never seen a -hopefully/supposedly- good title getting this rekt in the reviews
>>333700692
There isn't much SJW shit.
The problem is everything in the game is written just as poorly as the hamfisted SJW shit.
It's all tumblr fanfiction tier.
>>333699714
Well, the most broken one was clearly Dimension Door, given that they straight up removed it as a castable ability in the second game.
>>333699361
>It might actually be interesting to see a quest where you help a character who wants to become a women find a sex change potion or something.
It could have been interesting! There are so many ways they could have not royally cocked this up.
There could have been someone too poor to afford a sex change potion. There could have been someone who tried to change their gender with magic and something went wrong, causing them to be some awkward mix of genders instead. There could have been someone who had unknowingly had their gender changed by someone else as a child and you get the option to help them unravel the truth behind their confusion.
That's just off the top of my head, and other anons have already posted other better ideas that would have worked too. The most aggravating thing about all of this is that if they simply put some effort or thought into what they were doing, no-one would have been complaining. I hope Beamdog goes broke.
>>333700769
meh, color me really fucking disappointed. a shame this bears the official Baldur's Gate name
>>333688486
>Being this mentally unstable
>>333699483
From what I've gathered the changed the filtering system to a different style to better suit the cell-shading and didn't add in an option to revert for people who weren't gonna use cell-shading because who would do that am I right?
Everyone thinks BG needed to look likeshita cartoon... right?
>>333698246
Eh, BG1 and BG2 EE content was okay. It was covered by a lot more original content however. Even then it dipped into terrible sometimes.
The one dialogue where you can trick that demon in Dorns quest, which is just a wall of text with a whacky story or Neera asking you to buy her a drink, like a college girl would.
>>333688734
>No option to become submissive fuckslave to big viking bro
Disappointing to be honest
>>333691801
some men just want to watch the world burn
>>333700769
Andrew Foley is the only competent writer on that team. He wrote all of Baeloth's stuff. Shoulda just let him write the whole fucking thing.
>>333686339
>Not giving the payer "That's disgusting." option...
>>333701110
That alone would have redeemed the entire scene.
>>333701110
Mod it in and share it. It's not hard to mod IE games.
Real question.
Whats happened to writers nowadays? seems their mostly tumblr crowd and all the good writers are from a generation ago.
My real issue is that I had Viconia in my party when I talked to it. Wouldn't she have a serious problem with a male DARING to try and be Female?
>>333701368
>>333701368
we're actually lucky to have shit writers, imagine the mixed feels if it were good but sjw writer?
with todays writers we can easily shit on their heads because they both deserve it for being low quality AND for being sjw
>>333700107
considering the only people defending them are sjws perhaps you should reevaluate your world view.
>>333701368
The shift in Zeitgeist in university is starting to become noticeable.
How many years have people now ridiculed the students that support things like modern feminism, LGBTQIA+ and shit like Sarceesian? Those students are now on the job market. Those people are now working.
It's the next generation of writers and game devs.
>>333701513
too bad they and their asslickers will never listen to criticism because people who disagree with them are just being bigots
it's like the recent ghostbusters with all-female cast all over again
>>333696547
Pretty sure the paris commune got it right for a bit before being crushed by france
>>333701962
you mean the little rebellion in paris that would be considered a move to the right in modern society that only lasted a year before crumbling? wow, what a success
>>333701962
>a bunch of faggots murdering priests and eating rats for a few months "got it right"
BG1 and 2 Enhanced Editions were shit
Enhanced Edition expansion turns out to be shit
What a shocker, eh
>Beamdog hacks in Dragonspear so you can't even mod this shit properly.
Truly rank amatuer's.
>>333686339
This first one, this doesn't bother me so much. So there's a transgender character. So what? Yeah, it's poorly written and doesn't give you much choice in how you respond (you can't, for example, be a total dickhead to them, or banter with them. Only choice is to acknowledge what they said.), but the actual presence of the character is a non-issue. It's like that one MtG card everyone was angry over when it turned out one of the characters was transgender based on the flavor text: who gives a shit? It was actually very tastefully written into the story in that case, and had little to no impact on the overall story.
>>333688734
This, though, this is a problem. In an RPG game where you're supposed to have a huge number of choices that actually fit the medieval setting, literally the ONLY option is based off of modern ideas of feminism and catcalling, and provides zero agency for the character or for you: you cannot banter, you cannot flirt, you cannot just accept it, and you can't even laugh at them and then tell them to fuck off. The only option is "FUCK YOU, MISOGYNIST! NOW YOU DIE!"
Yeah, not strong writing or gameplay. Methinks THIS is the real issue.
>>333697072
The issue isnt that the trans character itself.
Its the fact that said character is poorly written, shoehorned in a half assed way, and in the context of BG doesnt even make much sense because you can literally buy gender change potions at your local apothecary. The character is woefully out of place and is just there cause someone wanted to make a political statement and like someone else mentioned earlier about a different event the entire exchange robs you of the ability to actually roleplay and railroads you into strictly positive reactions. You cant even take an apathetic stance.
>>333703440
so it doesn't make sense in the setting.
This whole thing adds in to a thought I've had for a while now in that Western game development (for more niche genres at least) is becoming increasingly full of people who want to make games like the classics they played when they were younger but have no idea what made those good or what makes a game good in general
Like the other day I saw a shmup on Steam Greenlight or something that was being billed as "procedurally generated!", like that's a thing you want in a shmup
Basically I have no doubt that the staff at Beamdog loved BG when they were younger, but they don't have the talent or understanding to build on it so they probably shouldn't try
>>333700495
>procurally generated shump
What the fuck
>>333688486
You must be a cuckold jew dyke gay tranny black fag communist to mock the one true opinion!
>>333704378
"Procedurally generated" at this point just means "we have no idea what good level design is so we'll just avoid it entirely"
>>333688376
>>333688638
>>333697949
You are now aware that the developer actually acknowledged that the character was a poorly written token minority.
>>333704561
Can't fault them for this response. They didn't start a dumbass internet fight over social justice shit, they didn't do a sorry-not-sorry. Good for them.
What does Minsc actually say in his GamerGate line, by the way?
>>333704561
You didn't read that very clearly at all anon.
He's not saying that they were poorly written.
He's not saying that at all, from what they think all that was wrong was that the cleric didn't have a well defined backstory that suited the game or wasn't properly introduced.
They don't care about the quality of the work at all.
Notice how they didn't mention any of the rest of the writing problems brought up or the problems with releasing the game FAR too early and how it was broken at release.
>>333704514
>replay value doesn't exist lol
>>333704861
>procedural generated games, that aren't rogue-like dungeon crawls, are worth playing more than once
name one
>>333704861
>this game has unlimited shitty levels, that means that it has unlimited replay value!
>>333705084
>bindings of jew
>ftl
>other roguelites
>dorf fucking fortress
>>333704728
>What does Minsc actually say in his GamerGate line, by the way?
Something about "ethics in heroic adventuring" or whatever. Cringe-worthy dumb meme shit.
>>333704763
>You didn't read that very clearly at all anon.
>He's not saying that they were poorly written.
>He's not saying that at all, from what they think all that was wrong was that the cleric didn't have a well defined backstory that suited the game or wasn't properly introduced.
So he's not saying the character is poorly written, but he's saying all these things which are an explanation of exactly how the character is poorly written? Neat.
The fact that the cleric had no personality besides "hi I'm transgendered" is precisely why people thought the character was badly written.
>>333705361
not just that but that being transgendered makes no fucking sense in the universe in the first place.
>>333705785
You fucking retard
>thing is born male
>thing feels like a woman
>thing changes sex
>thing is now transsexual
>>333705785
what kind of transgender?
i mean d&d is full of odd sexual shit because it was made by old pervy men
girdle of sex change and shit
>>333687995
That's brilliant, I wish it were real.
>>333692828
>The smallest bit of communism creeping into our entertainment industry
Nigga what? Communism is an economic system and the game is being created and sold is a staunchly capitalist marketplace. This is one of the most retarded objections I have ever read.
>>333705858
no, you're a fucking retard
>thing is born male
>things feel like a female
>no perfect way exists to change sex, creating a gender dysphoria
>thing is now transexual
NOW for the BG universe:
>thing is born male
>thing feels like a female
>thing either purchases a potion, pays for an enchantment, gets an enchanted item, or seeks the help of a deity to change their sex
>thing no longer has gender dysphoria
>thing is no different than any other female
Unless you're one of those "cutting off your penis makes you a woman completely" retards, which even trans people don't agree with, in which case fuck off. You're too disconnected from reality to have a conversation with.
>>333706228
communism is a government "system" not economic one. its actually just a utopian interpretation of anarchy, but whatever.
>>333706341
You fucking retard
>transgender: gender/sex not aligned
>transsexual: sex different from birth sex
How hard can it be to learn two simple terms? Ones /pol/tards like you abuse all day at that.
>>333706531
gender is a PC term for sex because christian ninny's felt uncomfortable saying sex. The gender/sex distinction is not real.
