>this is how far we've come in twenty years
what happened to innovation
Why does everyone forget that Star Fox 64 was a remake of the original?
this is an issue with every entertainment media these days. there's too much money on the line, so they play it safe. dollar dollar bills yall
>>333684524
This x1000
Dont forget to be inclusive! Being progressive>quality of game
>excepting innovative from Nintendo
It looks so much slower.
The color of the in-atmosphere exhaust in SF0 is not red.
They fucked up everything.
>>333683784
No, that's how far NINTENDO has come in twenty years.
>>333684683
It was a different era, twenty years ago.
:V
star fox zero looks really slow
ITT babbies who think 64 was the first Star Fox
>>333683784
>What happened to innovation
Star Fox Adventures.
>it's a TOTALLY NEXT TORTANIC episode
>it's a rerun
>it's been the 30millionth time it's been shown.
>>333684048
How so? l mean, l know it is but it barely had anything related to the first one asides a level/boss here and there. It wasn't a full remake.
>>333684624
>Dont forget to be inclusive! Being progressive>quality of game
Doing this is cheaper than making a good game.
Hell you could make a good game and change a character to a female and another to black and another to gay and it's cheaper
>>333684821
this
>>333683784
>>333684524
>>333684683
>Everyone wants a normal Star Fox game
>Nintendo gives it to them
>WOW WHY ARE YOU SO UNORIGINAL NINTENDO
>>333684831
Jesus christ that nintendo dick sucking, if they were so concerned with stable technology why was Zelda CDI a fucking thing?
>>333685145
>same areas
>a lot of same bosses
>same basic plot
It was a remake. The point is, propping up 64 as an example of innovation just exposes that you haven't played the first game. The changes from the original to 64 are about as significant as the changes from 64 to Zero.
But it is innovative. Don't you like the idea of having to divide your attention between two screens to play the game now?
>>333684524
this is why consoles suck
>keeps on getting cucked by consoles companies
>became masochistic enough to play a decade behind games
>omg pc masterfags so missing out kys
>>333685339
actually i wanted more of what they did with assault but improved upon
>>333685617
>meanwhile gets cucked by early access indie games
>>333683784
>what happened to innovation
Nintendo 2016, that's what happened to innovation.
>>333683784
people shunned it.
>>333683784
That's what happen when you complain about every game asking for another one like 64
Don't complain when the new F-zero is just a prettier GX
>>333683784
>cherrypicking
>>333685395
You realize Nintendo had nothing to do with the Zelda CDi games, right?
>>333683784
>Takes the same amount of time in both to pass through the archway
Explain.
>>333683784
Because Star Fox Zero is to 64 like how FF7R is to FFVII
>>333683784
It got pushed to later levels.
>>333683784
>shitendo
>graphical innovation
nintendo you lazy mothercuckers
never change ;_;
>>333683784
That Wii U game looks so sweet.
>>333685635
Assault was shit, multiplayer was ok though
>>333683784
It is the way you control it, which apparently everyone hates.
>>333688664
Nobody who has actually played it hates it.
>SF64
>innovative
>>333688395
Hoe
Lee
Fuck
I knew this game was gonna be good.
>>333688443
>Innovation.
>About graphics.
>>333683784
Why is the new one so slow?
>>333686202
>Don't complain when the new F-zero is just a prettier GX
Literally what F-Zero fans want but it wont be because the team who handled GX's development on Sega's end aren't around anymore.
>>333685487
>It was a remake
Then what was the 3DS for?
>>333688395
My biggest complaint about the game was that it looks slow as shit
Holy fuck this looks nice
>>333683784
it went into the motion controls, making it harder
Star Fox 64 was actually pretty fucking stellar when it first came out. That rumble pack combined with the game, it was amazing.
>>333688832
Might be because it is the tutorial.
>>333688395
>>333688832
>Slow
Nigga watch the Sector Gamma stage.
>>333688395
All those moving parts makes it seem nice and fast, solid.
>>333688850
An updated port
>>333684048
Because SF64 was a complete and total 100% improvement on the original
>>333688710
>Implying that it's relevant if you played or not on the Internet.
Literally, internet hate towards it is 50% muh graphics, 50% muh stupud gimmicks.
>>333688664
hey. cut it out.
>>333688832
Smooth 60fps vs a frame throttled 30fps
>>333683784
It was designed to be a reboot, not a fresh new entry in the series.
I think Bosman made a good point in one of his vids - there's no 'wow' factor to this gen.
Previous console upgrades were like "you can do THIS because of the new system" but now it's more like "you can do the SAME THING with the new system but with BETTER GRAPHICS".
I hope that it takes full advantage of wacky gamepad stuff, or using the Wii U processing power to show us interesting scenarios and fresh mechanics. Otherwise why would you move on from the original? There's already a 3DS remake.
>>333688395
that's fast
>>333688395
Is this just temple run on a mobile phone except theres a y dimension for dodging?
>>333688946
I think it's supposed to resemble sections like this from the original Star Fox. Skip to 1:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHaADGVGAYw&nohtml5=False
>>333688395
HOLY SHIT!
>2 weeks left
FUCK, I CAN'T WAIT!
Still waiting for that R&C remake to come out so I can update this.
>>333689503
Mario Maker is not a remake, you idiot. Put the All Stars version or fuck off.
>>333689581
It's a joke you fucking autist.
>>333689581
It's about modern games that look like older games, that's it, pal.
>>333689168
Did you not know? People are complaining because it DOES take advantage of wacky gamepad stuff, particularly gyro controls. It's not a remake of 64, it's like a retelling.
>>333683784
Even the flying looks more fluid in 64. Did Nintendo even try with Zero?
>>333683784
>Nintendo
>Innovation
That's your problem son.
>>333683784
People care about nostalgia more
Sorry
>>333683784
They exchanged it for gimmics.It also doesn't help they want to pander to kids that are too stupid to handle a faster game
>>333685339
I wanted good production values too. As of now, this looks like a rental at best.
>>333684683
>excepting
>>333683784
>people still playing starfox
why can't they just let it go instead of recycling the same shite.
>>333685395
More important, why is NSMB a thing now?
>2016
>still no real life Net Navis
Life is truly shit.
>>333688395
Too bad 90% of the game looks slow af
>>333690261
>>333690323
These things are still around because people like them. Much as /v/ likes to bitch about Star Fox, Mario, etc. to a certain degree people who play video games still enjoy these titles. That's why they keep making them, that's why they're still a thing.
>>333690538
Or maybe is Nintendo pushing their shit to pander kids and not giving a fuck about their core, old fanbase. That's why Wii U doesn't sell and no one take them seriously in the industy anymore
>>333688254
It's called the 64 had a lack of draw distance and using larger distances and bad spacing to mitigate graphical limitations
>>333690725
what old niche franchise did you like anon?
>>333690725
>they dont give a fuck about their core by releasing core games that resemble older core games
shitposting is so boring these days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24nOH9vfzt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJentYtZXkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOPx4s0sxfU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67QdCoW6Oiw
official adult swim/nintendo partnership when?
>>333690725
They push this stuff because it sells anon. That's literally all there is to it. They may not sell that many consoles, but this software still generally sells in the millions. Even NSMBU broke 5 million, most publishers would kill for even 2 million.
Why in the world would they stop this when a decent amount of consumers still buy it?
Pay 60€ for Starfox and Slippy game or just 45 for Starfox only?
I dont think I'd get much out of that Slippy game, but maybe I'm missing something here.
>>333688741
but anon, it looks like garbage
>>333690971
>Even NSMBU broke 5 million
That's what happens when you have a console with no third partie support. What other games do you suppose to buy for Wii U?
>Why in the world would they stop this when a decent amount of consumers still buy it?
>Why in the world would they stop this when a decent amount of consumers still buy it?
Because they are losing users on each generation?
Thereis a limit of how many copies a game could sell on a limited user-based console. What would happen if NX sales drop? How many copies of Mario NX could sell?
>>333691376
No, that's what happens when you have an established IP loved by millions. Even going by your logic of third parties, 2D Mario still sold fairly well on other platforms that Nintendo had. There plenty of other games on SNES, and Super Mario World sold millions.
I'm not arguing there isn't a limit, but what I'm saying is, this franchise, regardless of the lack of consoles sold, still has plenty of demand. It's just that some consumers aren't willing to buy Nintendo consoles just for that game. It doesn't mean it isn't popular. It doesn't mean people don't still love it.
>>333688395
>mfw this game actually turned out to be HAYAI
>>333688395
If half of the game isn't as good as this looks I'm going to cry.
>>333691815
>There plenty of other games on SNES, and Super Mario World sold millions
You do realize Nintendo almost had the monopoly back then an the only reallcompetition it had was Sega? Game industry was different. Now we have many consoles PC, handhelds and smarphones included.
>>333688443
>innovation
>graphics
Pick one.
>>333683784
In reality ,
Is the star fox series only really 4 games and 5 remakes?
>>333689946
>If it's the same as the original, it's a rehash and therefore shit
>If it's different from the original, it's a gimmick and therefore shit
Just can't win with shitposters.
I never understood the love for Star Fox. I had the original as a kid and beat it multiple times. I will never forget the fucking intro when leaving Corneria and I loved how it had multiple paths, but honestly the shit got boring quickly. Star Fox 64 was almost a carbon copy of the original, from what I remember.
>>333692357
I want both
>>333692513
>They say things I don't like, therefore they must be shitposting
>>333683784
So is your problem with the visuals, the gameplay, or the everything?
Games should resemble the previous installation one way or another. I've never cared about Star Fox and I guess that's why I'm having a hard time being negative about this. Looks like Star Fox. What's the goddamn problem?
>>333685748
>>333685617
>cucked
how long is this going to last
>>333683784
We got starfox assault, adventures, and fucking command
All I've ever wanted from a starfox game was a fucking rail shooter.
Thank fuck they actually decided to make one.
Fuck the zelda knockoffs, the lazy suzan land masters, and TBS arena dogfight garbage.
Just give me starfox.
I think this game will meet that expectation of mine, and nothing more. I'll be satisfied.
You guys can try and bring me down about this game all you want. The fact is we're finally getting a good star fox game.
>>333688850
a remastered port, retard
>>333683784
How did they manage to get such shit graphics out of the Wii U?
FF XV looks like shit on the PS4 as well jap devs arnt even trying anymore .
>>333692314
Yes, I realize that. I'm not disagreeing that they don't have the stranglehold over the market like they used to, or even that console sales are decreasing. I'm just saying that for now, releasing more NSMB games is profitable, so they may as well do it. There's clearly a demand for it, so why not make the games?
Not saying abandon everything else, but that there's a reason they still exist. Even if it's 5 million down from the massive 28 million they had with NSMBWii, those numbers are impressive. Square Enix and other publishers would kill for those numbers.
For now, they should just do it and have other studios like Monolith Soft release more games, as well as other third parties like Platinum. Tap into Retro, Intelligent Systems, etc. and make new IPs. Or revive old ones like F-Zero.
Trust me anon, I'm on your side here. But at the same type I need to stress the popularity of NSMB games, and the reason they still exist to this day, even given dwindling numbers.
>>333693827
At least this runs at 60 fps, not at fucking 14.
>>333693893
Meanwhile Naughty Dog U4 runs at 30fps+ and looks amazing
>>333693734
I know, I almost can't believe it, it feels like a dream. A new Star Fox, in the next generation, and it's a good. We may even get more!
>>333685635
I loved assults concept and vision
I fucking hated how it controlled when you were in anything other than an Arwing
>Oh man, I havent played this for years
>Fuck yeah! Pretty graphics next gen Star ox rail shootan and score beating!
>Oh yeah... time to run around and kill some bugs or some shit on foot
>At least the tank should feel heavy and badass- oh... its bad...
I liked the game as a starfox fan for lore and story and shit
but I hated how most of the game felt to play. It just didn't feel anywhere near as tight as 64 did the whole way through.
>>333683784
My only problem is how video gamey it looks and not like a real city thanks to the n64 style
I mean what the fuck are those arches and gates for
>>333689253
No you're thinking of mario or halo or some gay shit:^)
>>333694000
>30fps
>>333694056
Can you imagine if it actually does well. Fucking hell we might get another this decade
>>333688395
This is the only level like that. your all going to be disappointed.
>people will unironically pay full price for a 2 hour long baby easy shmup that looks like a PS2 game, so cheap they are using stock fonts
Nostalgia is hell of a drug
>>333694215
Hows 720p working out for you? I was using that resolution on PC back in2001
>>333694175
>My only problem is how video gamey it looks and not like a real city
but the cuddly animals don't bother you? Your line of thinking is inconsistent and short sighted in a way.
>>333694290
Pretty damn good, thanks. I can read all the text without problems.
>Silent Hill 3 still looks better than any game released today!
I love Silent Hill but come the fuck on
>>333694223
Great enough that the game will be fun, getting good reviews, and sales? That would top everything. They may even make it a regular series again, allow for more sequels.
>>333689194
>>333688946
>>333688935
>>333688932
Only level that is that fast.
>>333694261
Nintendo fans are just retarded.
PS4/Xboner and dead in the water and sony is hoping more VR/3D gimmicks will keep it selling.
Xboner is completely dead i sold mine when the 'exclusives' all got ported over
>>333694392
Sure you can read stock HUD text fine but the game looks like ass.
>>333694392
StarFox Adventures looks better desu
>>333683784
Companies are more interested in money and sales than they are with the quality of the game itself.
>>333683784
>arwing doesn't move around as much as you aim the lasers
it's shit
>>333694545
That's why Ff15 and Uncharted 4 took years to make and cost an insane amount of money
Because companies don't want to spend money
>>333683784
anyone else bothered with how little the arwing moves in relation to where it's shooting on the left?
Videogames need three things that compliment eachother to be good:
>Game Direction
>Art Direction
>Sound Direction
Where do "High End Graphics" fit in???? You can make a game look good without looking like it's super realistic, you retards.
>>333694392
maybe they're talking about the art direction
>>333683784
I watched part of a livestream of the game that was done byMattpatyesterday and I gotta say; I liked what I saw.
>Datmini-R.O.B
>DatMonarch Dodora
>>333694657
>You can make a game look good without looking like it's super realistic, you retards.
Except this doesn't look good, even for a Wii U game.
>>333694740
I don't see how the games art style conflicts with the game/sound direction and in addition to that, it doesn't look completely ugly. Colours aren't oversaturated, shapes are clearly defined, it's not hard to stare at, etc. I think you're just letting youropinionget ahead of you.
>>333694740
certain parts don't, high speed seems pretty high quality.
>>333694657
Art direction is shit though, not just from a technical standpoont
And it's not like Nintendo can't afford it or the game wouldn't make its money back hundredfold, they just know their audience has no standards
>>333694449
You're getting me hyped anon
>>333688395
I can see myself replaying the first few levels to grasp the controls before even thinking of tackling the later levels
>>333695109
The game isn't trying to be a 2deep4u art game, it's just trying to be fun and it has functional graphics that don't hurt your eyes and you can see what the enemies are.
Are you a teenager? You're getting overtly emotional.
>>333695235
Level. where have we seen other levels like this? I havent seen any. This will be the only fast level in a 1 hour game with 10 levels. This is going to be bad .
>>333683784
Innovation dies when they only care about their bottom line.
>>333695342
I'm comparing it to games that have the same price tag and are projected ro sell a similar amount
I must be a teenager because I value my money and question what I have to pay a premium for
>>333695164
Anon, right now I'm under the influence of something, but I feel dude, the hype for Star Fox. I just know this will be a good title, you can't deny it. The great banter, the solid gameplay and clever use of the gamepad, the challenge, the choices we'll get to make. The different bosses, shortcut, the chicken walker. Star Fox is back nigga, it's back and no shitposter and nasayes can disprove that.
Just believe, let the hype take over. Ride it like a unicorn in space. For once in your life get happy. Happy yourself be happy about this. A Good Star Fox game and a good future.
>>333683784
>what happened to innovation
>LOL VR? WAGGLAN.
>>333695502
It will be bad dude. Mark my words. it will be an hour long and 1/3 of the levels will require those other stupid vehicles.
>>333683784
>Only had 1 star fox game like this and it was too short
fuck you we needed another one
>>333695443
>I'm going to make 99% of the value of a game based on a minor subcategory of one of the three key aspects of what makes a game good.
Yes, you are a teenager.
>>333688395
It looks nice, except for all the visual effects (rings, power ups) obfuscating your view. I can barely see what's going on half the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEX44YC_CRM&spfreload=10
>>TFW no rugged wolf bf to tease you
>>333695712
Oh yeah because "gameplay" and remixed n64 sounds are so expensive now I see why I need to play 60 bucks for a two hour long game
>>333694657
video games need one thing to be good
>good gameplay
anything and everything else is secondary
>>333694510
>decide to have a friend come over to play this game
>I let him play
>he starts doing a duke nukem impression the moment krystal is on screen
>>333695962
I can guarantee you that the reason you like your favorite game is 50% gameplay and 50% everything else.
>>333695962
>Nintendo
>good gameplay
>>333696095
that doesn't mean that good gameplay isn't the make or break point
>>333694000
i'll take smooth gameplay over graffix, thanks
>>333696150
It isn't.
>>333695962
gameplay without game direction is just a mechanic, with no reason to play with it.
gameplay without art direction can affect difficulty, because things that affect the player differently look the same, or don't look at all. When the player can't use the feedback from the screen to make their decisions, half of the gameplay loop is interrupted. Even the choice of providing visual feedback or not is part of art direction. Same with audio
Are the people that bought a Wii u on suicide watch? How could they still support Nintendo after a second virtual boy? Its honestly surreal at this point. Not once did the Wii u lineup ever even look promising yet people bought it thinking it would be. And low and behold it's getting cut short and hasn't had a good game on it ever. I dodged a bullet not getting one that's for sure. I'd get one in a few years time but by then I'm sure emulation will be up and the games won't run at a laptop resolution.
>>333694595
>>333694653
Because you have free shooting range, you no longer have to face where you're shooting.
That's the point of the gyro controls. It lets you do maneuvers you couldn't before, like drive-bys.
>>333688395
Oh wow its about half as fast as many arcade games in the same vein arcade games from 20 years ago and I'm pretty sure I've played faster and more difficult phone games with the same looking graphics.
>>333696518
Give me an arcade game that's similar to starfox and I'll play it on the hardest fucking difficulty
>what happened to innovation
Nothing happened, you moron.
Nothing happens because actual innovation doesn't sell.
Innovation doesn't sell because you and everyone else within 2 std. devs. won't touch anything that doesn't meet your absurd nostalgia/instant gratification prerequisites and isn't sponsored by millions of dollars of brand marketing that tells you it's okay to throw more than a dime at it.
And then when it finally does reach this goal, you bitch about how it lost its integrity by catering to the lowest common denominator.
And you're an even bigger moron by expecting cutting-edge experimental innovation from a company whose entire model is to stay on the side of safe family friendly entertainment.
>>333696518
speed is secondary. Reaction time is more important. That stage uses a lot of objects to obscure vision and pops up obstacles late
>>333683784
Looks pretty pew pew to me
>>333696881
a gif...step it up son.
>>333690521
>Too bad 90% of the game looks slow af
If you're a moron, or if you're smart. These youtubers with the game are just GOING.
Don't get me wrong,they're still dying a lot because they don't know how to hot the breaks or barrel roll.
>>333683784
>Runs on locked 60fps while tons of game can't run for shit this gen.
I don't give a fuck, lol.
>>333696998
On the fly shit, someone else probably gonna get a better shot of it.
>>333694740
It really only looks bad on Corneria.
Everything else is decent.
>>333697085
>Tried out Little Big Planet 3 because the first one was good for shits and giggles multiplayer
>It's fucking lags
Never happened to me in a "platformer" before. Spooked me.
>>333697101
I love all these upgrades except General Pepper.
64 Pepper is GOAT.
Here's some guard stuff, Giant robot.
>>333697101
I like how now all of Star Fox have those scouter thingies like Fox and Falco. That's neat.
>>333697497
They've incorporated a lot of design elements from the Smash Bros designs, like the Reflectors on their belts
>>333697414
I knew I saw that robot design before.
>>333697414
do we have footage of how it fights? that drill looks like it's gonna be a pain in the butt
>>333697101
Wolf's redesign is the BEST.
>>333697619
Maybe not in this, but I actually would like them to try out the on-foot gameplay again in the future. If feel Assault didn't implemented it right, but it wasn't like it couldn't /work/
Also do like Cap. Falcon and incorporate the Smash moves somehow. Shooting shit while quick dashing and reflecting shit would be fucking amazing.
>>333697772
Starfox TPS cover shooter when
>“And thus we thought it would be a good opportunity to go back to the roots of Star Fox. The game itself is not a Star Fox ‘4’ or ‘5’, and it’s not a new spinoff. It really is going back to the roots, and that’s where the ‘Zero’ comes from.”
Huh.
That's a better explanation than just "I liked the kanji" at E3.
>>333698301
To be fair it is a pretty stylish Kanji
>>333697705
https://youtu.be/5yWUXAm2PKg?t=201
Project Guard will have boss fights. Big Boy looks like he'll just engulf the base slowly.
There are a lot of enemy types.
>>333683784
never go full mobile
>>333699561
looks neat. I didn't expect this to actually have a bunch of bosses and the level editor will no doubt provide a good amount of play time
how could people play or enjoy the original games? The r-wing is constantly in the view and the tunnel perspective makes it silly to aim
