Can we agree anyone who isn't running a VR ready system isn't a PC gamer?
Kill yourself
>>333630898
Falling for this VR shit
>yfw sony is literally the only hope for VR to succeed
>>333630898
My rig is ready except it gives me some bullshit about USB 3.0.
Still, I'll wait until there's substantially more games for it.
shame game developers weren't ready to make good VR games
>VR ready
>brick straped to head on desktop
>not portable cyberdeck with VR/AR glasses, keyboard straped to arm for fast access to the wired
world ain't ready yet.
>>333631764
Both Rift and Vive require USB3.0. iirc they both require just one, but Rift also requires two more USB2.0 or higher ports, whereas Vive has an actual power cable.
>>333630898
haha calling yourself a gamer, what are you 12?
if anything I'm a programmer, a musician, an artist, but never a gamer. K
>>333631724
And it will fail and fall into obscurity just like kinect. This shit isn't made for vidya, they should find better stuff to use it for than tacking it onto something that doesn't really fit it.
Space game devs should be fucking lusting for VR and pushing it big time, it fits in perfectly and all the old people who love space will blow their money on it ez. The wii sports shovelware nonsense that's going on right now baffles me.
>>333630898
>skipped the thread where we completely destroyed VR
>still grinds cringy kitchen simulators for 50$ with 800$ headset
>literally suffers facial and eye damage coz of the device
>has to puke at least twice a week coz of motion sickness
>future of gaming everyone, you´re not a gamer unless you have latest Shill Bait(TM)
dont talk to me or my son ever again
>>333630898
Naw dawg, VR isn't "real" gaming at the moment. There's some good games for it, but it needs work. A LOT of work.
>>333634391
A head-mounted display obscures your view of your keyboard or controller or whatever. Really I can't figure out who HMDs are for: actual simfags are better off with multi-monitor setups because they also have a ton of peripherals that they won't be able to see with an HMD filling their vision, while normalfags don't like simulators enough to sustain a software ecosystem. It could be an elaborate pump-and-dump, but there just seem to be way too many true believers for that. So it's one of these cases where it seems like there should be a killer app, but it just doesn't come together in reality.
>>333634514
I am still waiting to receive mine and I pre-ordered around 10 minutes in.
>>333630898
>Can we all agree anyone who isn't running LeQuickCashgrab#currentyear isn't a gamer?
>>333635043
Give it another year or so to grow.
By the time gen 2 comes out there should be more stuff available.
Right now it feels more like when video games first came out and everything for it was a novelty.
Just like when moving pictures first came out and people would pay to go watch a film of a guy sneezing.
>>333635196
Which one did you order?
>>333635485
HTC Vive.
>>333635043
Honestly that virtual desktop thing looks so amazing that i'd buy a head set just for that
>>333634008
>kinect
Shit sold fucking millions on the 360, it just fucked the Xbone over by making it mandatory with your purchase
Can we agree that anyone still shilling VR despite how I was calling it shit since release is an underage retard?
>>333630898
>thinks that current tech will lead tp anything good
Its trash and it will be trash 10 years from now, we don't even have VR chambers nignog.
>>333630898
Ran the occulus system ready shit and I'm not ready because muh cpu is too underpowered.
Meanwhile Steam vr performance says I'm well ready to run it.
Feels good man.
I can agree that anyone who uses Steam almost exclusively is NOT a PC gamer.
>>333635390
While yes the first films shot were simple tech demos (train coming into station, the famous kiss with the mustache twirl), by the time nickelodeons came about (c. 1905) movies were already pretty advanced and already started looking like what we'd call actual films. For comparison's sake, Netflix has the famous 1902 short film A Trip to the Moon, which is worth a watch and will probably blow you away if you keep its age in mind.
None of that analogy has anything whatsoever to do with my objections, which relate to how the HMD obscures your vision of your input devices so your input has to be primitive, and likewise that something as simple as walking is an unsolved problem. All the HMDfags seem to think, oh yeah give it time, but this isn't a case of "what we're doing already but more of it," there are fundamental unsolved problems with HMDs and you're betting the farm on, basically, a paradigm shift coming along. For the record, that's almost the worst bet you could possibly make.
Really the only thing you should take from this is that analogies are terrible and only work if you ignore any difference between the things you're comparing.
>>333636103
The Steam test actually benchmarks your PC.
The Oculus test just compares your hardware to a list of "ready" CPUs/GPUs, and if you're not on it, fails you.
Until you can literally have your consciousness transported into the game world like SAO or .hack, VR will be a gimmick gamewise.
>>333631764
>2016
>no USB 3.0 ports
There's no excuse, anon.
>>333634391
Wii-style shovelware is easier to churn out, and since Oculus / Valve aren't funding AAA development, it hasn't happened yet.
It'd be the same with consoles if Sony/Microsoft didn't make their own games. It takes a while for decent games to get developed.
>>333630898
>>333634514
>>333636181
>Windows 10
enjoy getting spied on lads
Everyone hating on vr is a poorfag
FACT
>>333630898
Yes. If you're running a disgusting fucking toaster you're worse than being a normie.
>>333636476
Well like what everyone who has tried it says.
You can't really know until you try it out yourself.
Also if walking is a problem there is stuff like this.
http://www.virtuix.com/products/
>ordered Vive
>eta: May
What do I do until then?
I can't even masturbate without knowing it could be even better.
>>333634830
What exactly am I looking at here
Did someone really play in a tourney in full suit?
>>333630898
>>333634514
>>333636181
>Windows 10
You're no better than a console pleb.
>yfw you didn't buy a VR headset
>>333637239
You imply you're not getting "spied" on either. Your ignorance is amusing
>gamer
>>333637683
enjoy your botnet
>>333637453
That's also the go-to argument for HMDfags, but I actually have tried the DK2, and I've tried things far more sophisticated (mainly, a so-called cave automatic virtual environment). The difference is that I'm actually a programmer and I'm actually capable of thinking ahead, so when I tried it I mostly saw hilariously unsolved UI problems.
A treadmill isn't the answer for four reasons: first, HMDs are already expensive, second, you can only ever have perfectly flat virtual ground (or people will stumble), third, almost nobody will want to devote that much floor space to gaming, and four, given the other problems and the fact that games would have to be designed around use of the treadmill (because walking is a nonstarter without one), there won't be critical mass to attract developers.
Anyway, punting on the important problems is the grand meme of HMDs, and it's why they'll fail.
>>333636476
>the HMD obscures your vision of your input devices so your input has to be primitive
this isn't true for the vive. i'm pretty sure that the generic 'loader'/'home' program has the in-game controllers buttons animated to show how you touch them. i would be surprised if we didn't see Lighthouse-enabled keyboards shortly (mice would be much harder due to occlusion, and arguably pointless, given that the stock wands are very effective 3D mice).
>and likewise that something as simple as walking is an unsolved problem
it's not 'walking', it's 'anything other than 1:1 movement', and particularly, 'locomotion', or 'natural 1:1 movement beyond the boundaries imposed by your real-world environment'. and you're absolutely right, and not alone, in saying that all these different teleportation mechanics are probably not the right final solution. but they do work, for now.
>>333637239
You should probably stop using the internet and get rid of your phone if you're worried about "getting spied" on.
>>333638418
Motion controls are not the answer either. Think about the inability of the average developer to make a UI that works, and now add an extra dimension and remove a whole bunch of precision. It's fat finger syndrome, the prime reason mobile gaming is so terrible, but to the Nth degree.
This whole exercise is at science fiction levels of optimism about the future. Like,
>not the right final solution
They're shipping a product and they don't have the "right final solution" for user interface. Think about that. I mean really, really think about that.
>>333638930
man, we never have the right final solution. for ANYTHING. every single thing we ever do in this life is just the next best wrong solution.
for now VR works, PERFECTLY, for limited size area experiences. and well enough for larger areas ('well enough' defined here as 'doesn't make you too sick or disoriented to continue'), using various cheaty 'locomotion' mechanisms (which are still being worked on.
if, in a year, everyone decides that locomotion is too intrusive and we wind up with nothing but experiences occuring entirely in tiny play areas - that's still incredibly valuable. and it's actually not even that bad.
>>333640364
Okay, but there's usually an adequate answer. Punch cards were an adequate answer for dealing with early computers. Having all games be Disneyland's Haunted Mansion, when we already have games with far richer input methods that are far more functionality, still leaves the killer question, what's the killer app? Apparently the killer app is waiting until someone comes up with an answer to all these crippling design flaws.
>SteamVRtest is refusing to use my graphics card instead of the intel integrated graphics, no matter what I do
fuck it I wasn't even interested in vr anyway
Buying the first VR headset on the market is like buying the first hover car, or the first Segway; wait like five years and technology will work better + be MUCH cheaper.
>>333640904
Go into your bios and disable the igpu
>>333640964
>I just recently figured out how technology and pricing works
>I can't afford expensive things like others so I must try to make them feel bad about their purchases
>>333630898
VR is a gimmick, maybe when VR actually has something that's worth it ask again, retard.
>>333641587
>VR is a gimmick
Literally everyone who's ever tried it says otherwise, which you obviously haven't
>>333641435
maybe that's because you should feel bad, because VR is total fucking hogshit right now
>i can afford a box of hogshit, so that means people can't call me a moron for buying it!
end your life
More than ready, and my Vive is sitting next to me.
You're right though, even if you don't give a shit about VR at all, having a "VR Ready" PC is a pretty good benchmark for whether you should be allowed to consider yourself a PCfriend or not.
>>333641830
yeah I'm pretty mad that retards buy shitty technology, because it sets a standard for it and artificially inflates how much it's actually work. your stupidity affects me in a negative way, so i'm gonna call you a complete fucking idiot and you're just going to have to take it. enjoy your #SelfieTennis and Space Pirate Trainer while your headset's already obsolete by next year
>>333642227
>while your headset's already obsolete by next year
Then I'll just buy the new one. It's nice having disposable income
You realize you're in a PC thread right? Nothing that's good and powerful is cheap
>>333630898
I hope so.
I wouldn't want to be one of these faggots who call themselves a "gamer".
>>333640765
the killer app is anything that can be done in a 15x10 (or whatever the max recommended tracking area is) space. sims of all kinds, anything vehicle-based, many sports.
and the locomotion techniques that are being experimented with ARE 'adequate', is what i've been getting at.
>>333634008
I want to see how it works for porn.
I think everyone ITT misunderstood what OP meant.
It's not about VR, it's about having something that's not a toaster
