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Who else is looking forward to the 2nd case more than Phoenix in Labyrinthia 2.0?
Also this game already looks better than DD in every way.
>>333588758
The only downside DD had was the ridiculous amount of hand holding. Otherwise it was a solid entry in the series.
I especially liked the main villain. He was actually threatening this time.
>>333588758
I'm looking forward to filling Ema's holes
>>333588915
DD faggots like to call it "streamlining" and claim it's an improvement over the "tedious pixel hunting" of the original trilogy which has maybe one example of such a thing per game.
DD played more like a VN than an adventure game.
>>333589113
Pixel hunting was still there.
The worst part was how limited was your usage of the investigating tools at your disposal. Specifically the magatama and mood matrix. You never get to utilize the latter at its full potential until the last case. MM had quite a bit of depth to it, when emotions could go wrong in quite a few different ways. But they get introduced very gradually, and you can't just play around with it as much as you want, figuring out what EXACTLY is wrong with the testimony.
>>333588915
DD had a main villain?
I'm not sure if I was even supposed to take the culprit of the last case seriously while he was on the stand. Shit got stupid too quickly.
Just finished AJ and I have to say, the way that last case was presented to me was really weird. Still a solid game though.
Also, should I move onto the Edgeworth games or AA5?
![latest[5].png](https://i.imgur.com/XtqOCvl.jpg "latest[5].png")
>>333589512
The final case of AJ is a total fucking mess because you can tell they tried to mash together a coherent ending out of the probably 3 unfinished story drafts they had while pressed for time. I mean, just look at how fucking bizarre this guy's character was. His motives make 0 sense. Why does he thank Phoenix for taking care of Trucy, but then immediately plot to frame him for cheating and why the hell does he go apeshit on his accomplice when it goes wrong? The opening case was clearly not intended for Zak to be the victim, but they needed him to die somehow and needed Kristoph to be guilty.
>>333588915
phantom is literally the shittiest villain in the series.
>b-but he was super duper evil!
And still a shit character
Can you examine every screen again or still just the ones they want you to?
>>333588915
Dual Destinies was a shit OOC mess dude
Easily the worst game of the entire franchise
>>333589875
>>333588758
I'm more interested in the Wright and Co's adventures than Phoenix 's Kurain adventures in this game.
Also it seems like Nayuta is mostly gonna be Apollo ' s opponent and probably not gonna be part of the Kurain story much. He is an international lawyer and only came from Kurain.
>>333588758
I'm not at all interested as playing a Phoenix, with Maya or not.
He doesn't really have much of a story to tell anymore, but Capcom keeps insisting on shoving him in
Apollo's side of the story definitely has my interest more
>>333589512
Play the Edgeworth games first. They actually take place about a month before the flashback case in AJ with Phoenix, so that would be the chronological order.
>>333588915
>the main villain
>threatening
Yeah he sure looked like he was a threat to everyone during the last trial.
>Haha you will never defeat me
>Phantom, you're just scared because you don't know who you really are
>Whaaa, now I suddenly care about who I really am for no reason
>he then gets shot after acting like a bitch
Again, real threatening villain.
>>333588758
Glad to see they touched up the models instead of being just a lazy rehash reusing all assets.
>>333588758
Looking pretty good
I still want Phoenix/Trucy scenes, couldn't care less about Maya and I fear Athena will bring her shitty fucking gimick with her for case 2
>>333589839
The Gramaryes are all completely retarded, Magnifi tries to fuck his apprentices over and seemingly smuggled his amnesiac, blind daughter to Borginia, said daughter still hasn't bothered talking to her kids yet, Valant tries to fuck Zac over as a last fuck you after getting fucked over several times. I mean jesus fucking christ, at least they Feys were consistent in their thirst for vengeance and power.
>>333590047
AJ was worse and just as OC, I really wish they ditched all previous characters in that one. Even in the flashback trial Phoenix is already acting like an arrogant cunt, when it's supposed to take place like a month after T&T.
>>333588915
I still wish the villain would've been the actual Fulbright instead of all the scooby-doo phantom bullshit.
>>333588915
I think that they completely dropped the ball with the Phantom when it came to that final cross-examination. I think the big reveal of his identity was fantastic, though -- easily the most memorable moment of the game.
>>333589875
I thought the concept was interesting and when you realizethe detectiveis the murderer, it's a real "oh shit" moment, but the execution fell flat. Having a villain that is literally a blank state just isn't interesting in practice since they don't have personality nor motives.
>>333593765
>Phoenix is already acting like an arrogant cunt
So like his usual self?
>>333589113
ace attorney games have always been visual novels
>>333589839
The Gramyres were all complete, selfish assholes. They are The Gang from Always Sunny in Ace Attorney form. I can't think of any redeemable qualities they have.
>>333589512
Always, ALWAYS play the games in order of release, never in chronological order. They are references in AAI and AAI2 that you wouldn't get if you didn't play AA4 first.
>>333593927
Not that guy, but he's more of a smug cunt than usual in that trial. I don't really blame him though, considering brat Klavier is also more of a cunt than his older self.
>>333594269
Maya's not there with her antics so of course Phoenix was more smug than usual
>>333589839
They actually designed the Shadi Smith version of him first, before making him a Gramarye, so I have absolutely no idea what they originally were planning.
>>333594116
those references literally don't matter and playing the AAI games between AJ and DD is just off putting.
>>333594116
Nah, it doesn't matter much, those references are inconsequential, as are the ones in Rise from the Ashes, which was released after the trilogy.
>>333594116
Well I sure hope you play DGS before AA6, then.
I'm not looking forward AA6 to be honest, it feels like the final nail in the coffin that will completely undo everything that AA4 did.
>Phoenix hanging out with Maya again
>Ema is happy again
I actually liked how not everyone didn't get happy futures and now it's almost like it never happened.
DD wasn't that great but it at least tried to incorporates AA4's events.
If Trucy really is the defendant of the case while Phoenix is fucked off in another country to see some girl he hung out with for 3 years, I think I'll be done. Father of the year right there.
>>333590207
They've even admitted that he doesn't have a story to tell anymore, they had to put him Kurain because there's nothing for him to do or learn in Japan. They push him as a main character and in promos because they've learned that he sells, something DGS also showed. I hope they get confident enough to not have him as the main character in AA7.
>>333594783
>DD wasn't that great but it at least tried to incorporates AA4's events.
No?
DD was pretending AJ never happened.
Also Phoenix left for Kurain because he heard Maya was attacked. It was during that time he's out that Trucy gets caught in the whole shit.
>>333594783
Trucy clearly got arrested after Phoenix left, but I wonder what excuse they'll use to not have him hurry back for this.
I want them to just reveal that Apollo and Trucy are siblings so they get done with that stupid plot thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLvpg9ODAgk
>>333594987
>Also Phoenix left for Kurain because he heard Maya was attacked. It was during that time he's out that Trucy gets caught in the whole shit.
He sure wasn't in Kurain when Maya screamed and hung up on a phone call but he still rushed over there.
I think his daughter potentially going to jail would be bigger deal.
>>333595142
What don't you get?
>Phoenix is talking with Maya in the phone
>he hears she's attacked
>leaves for Kurain
>meanwhile, Apollo and Athena go to Trucy's magic show
>shit hits the fan
>>333594987
DD acknowledges AJ happening, but doesn't do anything with any of the plot threads left hanging. I don't really blame them that much, it had been very long since AJ launched and stuff like Lamiroir being their mother was introduced in the last minute and had barely anything to do with AJ itself. It makes sense that they went with a reboot that doesn't depend too much on neither the original trilogy or AJ, but they can't leave it hanging forever either.
>>333595209
I don't really mind it but I just he has a proper reaction to it. Not just wave it off as nothing or never find out at all.
>>333595432
I'm almost expecting them to tell him only after the case is over, we've had stuff like not seeing Pearl's reaction to her mother being arrested in JFA, just told about it.
>>333595432
Who knows. Maybe they call him the moment Trucy was arrested or after the trial is over
Maybe they can't reach him because of some mumbo jumbo going on at Kurain that makes him unable to leave.
Still too early to jump on conclusions
I kind of want Apollo and Trudy to get awkwardly close so Phoenix will finally get off his fucking ass and tell them they're related.
>>333595142
Maybe it's part of a plan.
The villain who bears a grudge on Phoenix, may even be part of the organisation from DD, is in Kurain and attacks Maya to get Phoenix to go there and deal with him.
Meanwhile as this is happening he has someone get Trucy framed and arrested and is relying on Phoenix not being there to help Apollo who he believes will fail without help.
>>333595816
>apollo and trudy start kissing in secret
>phoenix walks in on them
>>333594783
AJ never stated Phoenix wasn't seeing his old friends anymore and in fact it had Maya sending Phoenix lots of Steel Samurai DVDs when he got hospitalized, meaning they did still keep in touch. As for Ema, she failed her exam for that year. Why would she get so down as to never apply for it again a year or two later? They aren't unexpected developments in the slightest.
>>333588758
>looks better and DD
>Top screen backdrop literally using the same assets from DD.
>>333594783
I consider AA5 to be a soft reboot to the series, with AA6 being the true sequel to AA4. Think about it, you get to see how the characters' lives improve over the course of 2 years, they're not all stuck with the miserable jobs they had in AA4. Ema achieved her dream of becaming a forensic scientist and Trucy finally got her own magic show. The characters are not stuck in a stasis, they moved forward.
>>333596106
>As for Ema, she failed her exam for that year. Why would she get so down as to never apply for it again a year or two later? They aren't unexpected developments in the slightest.
Characters changing constantly offscreen is boring.
>>333596295
It's a comparison, numbnut. Top is AA5, bottom is AA6.
>>333596368
I agree, but since her plot thread of wanting to become a forensic investigator has no way to intersect with the plots the games are usually about (unless you made her the main character), I can live with it.
>>333596368
>Characters changing constantly offscreen is boring.
This is literally what happened to her in AJ.
I always thought it was retarded that she wound up as an detective - she hates her job, still wants to be a forensic investigator - why not just study more and retake the exam? Her current situation didn't make sense.
>>333594783
AA6 seems to be involving the Gramaryes stuff again though, considering that poster with a new character among the group.
>>333596493
>I always thought it was retarded that she wound up as an detective - she hates her job, still wants to be a forensic investigator - why not just study more and retake the exam? Her current situation didn't make sense.
She needed to get a job? People out of the workforce are seen very negatively in Japan.
>>333596623
She was a police investigator, it didn't seem far-fetched that she could have taken further specialization within forensics. And it's not like these games cares much about the social norms of Japan, and if it did, I'm pretty sure her work attitude would have been frowned upon too.
Her situation just didn't seem as plausible as Phoenix's, because she could have retaken the exams if she wanted her dream job that badly.
ITT: Top Tier Villains
>>333597312
shit i fucked up
>>333588758
Trucy looking mighty fine in this game. I could never warm up to her DD model, but AA6 seems to make improvments in just the right places
>>333589113
>"tedious pixel hunting"
I really don't get people who don't appreciate the banter that comes with examining all those irrelevant things and places.
>>333588915
DD had the worst villain. Please stop spreading your awful opinion
>>333588758
Well, it can't possibly be worse than AJ. Though I wish they'd just kill off Trucy already. She's useless and a poor aping of Maya.
>>333598629
After you.
>>333590047
Not counting AJ, I assume. Nothing can be more OoC than AJ Ema and Phoenix.
>>333598662
Fuck off
>>333598698
DELETE THIS NOW
Just finished my replay of AA: PW. Still a great game to play.
I got a couple of questions though
>Edgeworth unknowingly used forged/fabricated evidence
>gets penalized but keeps badge
>fast forward to AJ
>Phoenix unknowingly uses forged/fabricated evidence
>completely rendered useless and loses his badge
Is there any explanation for this? It's been a long time since I played AJ, but how come Nick didn't bring up the fact that the evidence was given to him by someone else?
>>333598904
>>Edgeworth unknowingly used forged/fabricated evidence
>>gets penalized but keeps badge
He was never called out on it during a trial.
>>333598967
yeah, during the trial but he faced the board of inquiries multiple times throughout the case
>>333598904
I'm guessing Lana with what authority she had left took most of the blame for what happened to Edgeworth and tried her best to get him absolved of the misdeeds.
Phoenix likely didn't have that kind of support from a higher up.
>>333599075
In his career he used forged evidence but had everything concealed by Karma and Lana
When he stopped with that "muh record" attitude, he stopped using fake evidence. He was never yelled at for it.
>>333599205
RftA retconned it by having Edgeworth state he never used forged evidence or was never aware he was using it, which is why the forged evidence he presents there shakes him up so much he leaves for a year.
>>333599370
No, he wasn't aware he used fabricated evidence in Joe Darke's trial. Not every single of his trials.
>>333599370
1-5 also had those evidence laws that are never ever relevant after the case. I wish they didn't make that big deal out of it, it's a bit jarring how you can wildly flaunt evidence you picked off the streets when 1-5 suddenly gets strict about proving the relevance first.
>>333588758
No OP, I don't look forward to cases about Trucy or Apollo because they are garbage clones of Phoenix and Maya, their game sucked and the franchise would be better if they didn't exist.
Other than Maya returning, AA6 looks terrible. The prosecutor especially.
>>333599541
haha do i fit in yet guys?
>>333588758
Post more delicious collarbones
>>333599796
If I was trying to fit in with shit eating shitposters who popular the AA threads now, I'd be pretending AJ was good and DD was bad.
>>333599856
DD WAS garbage, though.
Anyway, your meme opinion isn't worth a shit. We've heard you bitching for years. Get over it.
>>333597756
>I could never warm up to her DD model
Why's that, anyhow?
I do like how it seems they really listened to the feedback to DD, because I've heard that complaint a few times.
>>333588915
My favorite part was the looking around in panic and loss when he had the phoenix mask on.
>>333599541
>garbage clones of Maya
So, just more Maya?
>>333599949
Blah blah blah, go ahead and continue shitting up the threads. Not my problem anymore.
>>333589512
The Edgeworth games are solid. The 1st one even has this awesome track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZrQialji38
I never really thought about it besides the obvious ones like the first Cornered, but the AA series has always had some solid music.
>>333599962
>>333599962
>>333600125
DD handled transition to 3D really good. Unlike PLvsPW.
>>333594783
So people are never supposed to see their friends again? Someone should be stuck in a rut forever?
Shut the fuck up dude.
How faggots like you aren't happy Ema finally got her shit together is really pissing me off.
>>333600125
Not same anon but I'm not seeing how its worse. What, you're bitching about less shadows? It does have them, just not as sharp as the ones in AJ.
>>333598904
Playing 1 again, god I forgot how much of a dick Edgeworth used to be.
>>333600125
I don't think her DD model was bad, it only required a couple easy fixes they made in AA6 to make it perfect.
>>333600246
>expecting an AJfan to have taste
>>333600387
>>333600385
And how much of a fucking pussy the Judge is. He gets pushed around by everyone, and is only a dick against Wright.
Justice For All is even worse, with fucking Fagziska von Faggot whipping everyone and being salty all the time.
>>333600757
Are you 12?
>>333600401
I'm not even an AJ fan, I just liked how it changed things up after the original trilogy.
I don't mind the series going back to how it was but it could at least deal with the things that happened in AJ than just pretend it never happened or not have them solved offscreen.
>>333600869
>I don't mind the series going back to how it was but it could at least deal with the things that happened in AJ than just pretend it never happened or not have them solved offscreen.
You played AA6 already? No spoilers please.
>>333588758
Where should I start with the ace attorney series?
>>333600869
>it could at least deal with the things that happened in AJ than just pretend it never happened or not have them solved offscreen.
well trucy and her gramarye shit is clearly in AA6
AA4 was shitty because of hobo phoenix and anti climactic ending
AA6 has apollo, ema and trucy. its going to be great anon
it also has maya for the autist shipfags (like me)
I'm not really excited, the plot seems boring and the returning characters feel like cheap fanservice.
I've barely seen a good thing about the trailers said other than "Yay Maya is back!" or "muh Ema."
>>333601490
>no ghost trick
>>333601452
>the plot seems boring
Do we even have a plot?
>the returning characters feel like cheap fanservice
Its only cheap if they are thrown in for no good reason but whens the last time an AA game didn't flesh out a main character?
>>333601556
>Do we even have a plot?
china hates attorneys or something
>>333588758
wow, nice art style upgrade
>>333588915
>I especially liked the main villain. He was actually threatening this time.
impossible to be more wrong than this
Why is Trucy so white if Zak is that brown?
>>333603919
he was a cuck
>>333603953
Then who is the father? Apollo's dad, green Gramarye?
>>333604163Teenage Phoenix
>>333604163
>Apollo and Trucy are actually full siblings
This arouses me.
She's still flat.Good.
>>333601452
So far the returning characters already feel more relevant than they were in DD, Maya actually has business in Kurain, Ema's the detective in Japanifornia and Trucy is accused for murder.
>>333594783
>but it at least tried to incorporates AA4's events.
How so?
Let's bet on the release date spoilers
>Nayuta or Leifa is the murderer of the final case, but not necessarily the main villain (much like Godot)
>Apollo's dad is finally given a name
>Thalassa shows up and reveals the truth to her children
>The Gramaryes have some sort of connection to the Kurain Kingdom
>Maya dies (hopefully not)
>>333594783
>I actually liked how not everyone didn't get happy futures and now it's almost like it never happened.
Die in a fire. T&T was meant to end on a high note. You don't follow it up by ruining everyone's lives off screen. AA5 existed purely to fix the damage AJ did so then AA6 could come in as the true AA4
>>333607570
>The Gramaryes have some sort of connection to the Kurain Kingdomthey're the pissed off male counterparts because they got no "real" magic powers
>>333589113
>DD played more like a VN than an adventure game.
They all played like visual novels.
>>333588758
Why are her arms thinner now?
>>333601553
you know why there's no ghost trick, bro?
it's because it's not a fucking ace attorney game
>>333608385
VNs don't have you solve puzzle by using items, or presenting them in this case
>>333588915
>>333589875
Phantom was actually the least 'evil' villain in the entire series.
>Manfred: killed a guy out of spite, years later framed his son for the murder he masterminded
>Engarde: destroyed a happy couple and drove a woman to suicide for the evulz
>Dahlia: selfish bitch who uses people around her and kills them when they get in her way or become a bother, tried to pin Misty's murder on Maya just to stick it to Mia and Phoenix
>Klavier: ruined Phoenix out of simple jealousy
>Phantom: was doing his job and merely tried to protect his identity
I actually feel bad for Phantom.
>>333609261
>Klavier
I wish they would fucking move on with Phoenix.
It's incredibly simple, design a new character, with a new story to tell and make that story good. You don't need to keep shoving Wright in our face.
I want DGS so badly because Ryo is actually a new face and his assistant is 10x cuter than Trucy and Athena combined.
is there a release date confirmed for NA?
>>333608168
I say it made up for a great change of pace and a more realistic view of life on how not everything is going to be great in some points in life
thats a thing I liked about Apollo Justice, the atmosphere and vibe was perfect but yeah apollo isnt even the protag
I hated DD because it was litterally AA1 for all the faggots that like the series but dont play the games
>>333596368
>Characters changing constantly offscreen is boring.
That's literally what happened with everyone in AJ
>Phoenix becomes a dickhead mastermind
>Ema becomes jaded bitch
>Edgeworth gets glasses
>>333608816
PLvsAA is barely an Ace Attorney game too, but I get your point
>>333607570
>Thalassa shows up and doesn't reveal the truth to her children
I can feel the outrage coming
>>333609929
they tried with Apollo but it ended up being Nicks game towards the end eitherway, and the little character development he had (or lack there of) they had to ruin it with I'M FINE which they shoved into AA6
>>333609929
>Ryo is actually a new face
Isn't he literally Phoenix with a late nineteenth century Japan design
>>333611251
Yeah and he has a similar backstory.
>>333588758
I really want to fuck Trucy.
