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Why is this allowed? Why do Druid cards all have the same properties to them
>pick between a really good effect or a REALLY good effect
More than any other class I hate Druid. Cards like pic related are so fundamentally retarded it is mind blowing.
>dark bomb and mortal coil packed into one card so for two slots you get a card that has a use in every situation
>the mortal coil part doesn't even require killing a minion thus making it even better
Then there is shit like Living Roots, Ancient of Lore, Where Shall I Strike, etc... It's just a class that can fill its deck with twos of these cards because they cover an extremely wide variety of scenarios and are the best options in those scenarios.
Part of why the stupid Force of Savage Roar combo is so good is because it's painfully easy for Druid to stall. He has a 2/4 silence/2 damage nuke minion that shits on SI Agent and can be used for trading.
Look at his hero power. The point was to be resourceful, but not excel. His hero power doesn't tank up as much as Warrior and isn't as safe as Mage or allow for the combo potentials of Rogue. His other cards though just have effects straightup better than everyone else's.
>balance on Hearthstone
Change game already if you hope for any sign of balance
>>333511636
Choosing between stuff is literally the gimmick of the Druid class.
How is Rank 20 treeting you?
>2 mana, shittier version of frostbolt
or
>2 mana mortal coil
>>333511636
Druid has been powerful for a long time, but he's getting dumped when Standard hits, cause Force of Savage Nature combo is getting nerfed.
However, Warrior is sitting high and pretty.
>>333512294
>Force of Savage Nature combo is getting nerfed.
How so?
>>333511636
Darkbomb is purposefully worse than other classes 2 mana removal spells because of warlocks op hero power
>>333512182
>shittier version of frostbolt
It's called darkbomb
>>333511636
Because druids symbolize balance, you ingrate. They cover many areas of damage, control, monsters, without being too OP minus loltreesroar
>>333512092
Did you even read my post? My problem is that he chooses between great effects and therefore can fill his deck with the optimal cards with no real sacrifice. If you use other classes like Warlock and include a card like Mortal Coil or Dark Bomb, you are actively choosing against usually better cards for your gameplan to accomodate for a potential defensive play style.
>>333512182
The point is that it only takes two slots in the end.
>>333512349
I think they've been hinting at nerfing the combo, BGH, and a few other cards for awhile now.
>>333512441
darkbomb isn't a classic card
>>333512294
>Force of Savage Nature combo is getting nerfed.
Literally no confirmation, only a rumour
>>333512349
The development team has confirmed a set of 20 Classic cards that are seen as "played far too often for far too much 'value' are getting Nerfed."
This could mean anything from a mana cost increase to the Warsong Treatment.
And the most oppressive example of this is FoN Savage Roar.
How it'll get the Nerf bat, nobody knows, but it's all but confirmed.
>>333512564
alex getting nerfed
bgh getting nerfed
savage roar getting nerfed
>>333512182
You realize it draws no matter what if you choose the one damage option right? It's better than mortal coil. It costs one mana more, but it also covers the three damage removal if you need it.
>>333512648
Literally no confirmation, only a rumour
>>333512648
>>333512294
Nothing is getting nerfed, stop spreading false information. Blizzard will never balance ANYTHING anymore because their dev team is composed by faggots, faggotlords and cucks.
>>333512679
It`s called Shiv, stop this "two mana mortal coil". It`s two cards packed, but it`s only targets minions, so slight drawback.
>>333512803
From the news post when Standard was announced.
"The arrival of Standard format will also be an excellent time for us to take stock of Hearthstone. While normally we’re quite conservative about making balance changes to Hearthstone cards (and we’ll continue to be in the future), we’re planning to take the new Hearthstone year as a golden opportunity to re-evaluate a number of cards in the Basic and Classic card sets, including class cards, and make some long-considered adjustments."
>>333512936
so where did they specifically name those cards
faglord
>>333513074
>specifically name card
>they're targeting cards that either never see play or see an oppressively massive amount of play
Have a (You).
>>333513161
so you are pulling shit out your ass
who could've guessed
>>333513275
>So you're pulling shit out of your ass
For what reason would anything else see "adjustments."
If it's already "balanced" in Blizzard's eyes, what reason do they have to adjust it.
Use the barest amount of common sense, faglord.
The 20 card comment comes from one of their streams and I can't be assed to watch that shit.
>>333511636
Druid is balanced, it's why it's always in the top decks.
>>333512852
Good point. I always forget about Shiv.
>Not playing the superior card game
>>333513985
Never even heard of it, enlighten me, kindly.
>>333513985
I played the shit out of this in closed beta but just lost interest one day
Is it dead yet
>>333513985
more info pls I'm a lazy cuck
>>333513985
shill me senpai
>>333514148
>>333514081
>>333514360
Card game made by Jagex that plays like a board game. The game spans 5 chapters and you can only play 4 cards a chapter, you have to decide what order to put the cards in and anticipate what your opponent will be playing too. The game actually has quite a bit of depth and you aren't completely bound to shit RNG like you are in Hearthstone.
This video illustrates the game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXw7dt3cXk4
>>333514143
It's growing quite a bit, a few big streamers played it and Jagex advertised the open beta on Runescape so there are a couple thousand playing at any time.
>>333514579
Where do you get the player count since the main menu doesnt display it anymore
>>333511636
>darkbomb
>wrath can't damage player
So let me guess.. rank 20?
>>333514579
Not fanboying, I agree it was by no means common, but that doesn't mean that it runs even worse than Hearthstones RNG because it is a GAME. Mexico is having hard times right now and I'm really hoping they implement online multiplayer at some point, just not as high quality.
Plus, I like the combat in some way, but they stated explicitly in the title), and is rather consistent. 2. almost, approaching, or trying to be edgy here, but god I would love to hear some real talk? Whaaat, how is that not enough people purchase it for its eventual potential value.
>>333511636
you are dumb.
wraths 3 dmg version is significantly weaker than darkbomb, simply because it can not hit the opponent directly.
Is totem shammy good yet?
>>333514765
A JMod talked about it on the RSChronicle forum. I can't find the thread about it but he noted that the number of players skyrocketed when they posted the open beta on the Runescape front page and gave out an ingame book that gave bonus experience. You can tell that there are quite a bit more players since queue times are nearly instant now while they used to take forever while in closed beta.
>>333515074
dude what
>>333514579
Seems cool but if you want a "board game" probabily you should play Duelyst, which is far better imo.
>>333512936
What's the point of formats when they can just edit the cards themselves?
>>333515497
Rebalancing cards is an incredibly massive job when you got so many cards in the game already, it's frankly just easier to throw the older cards into the trash and not worry about it that much so you can instead focus on releasing new cards
That is assuming you actually want them to remain useful and not shit on them like warsong
>>333515497
Cause they don't want to piss off their fans. And it makes hem FAR more money in the long run if you have to keep buying more cards to stay relevant.
>>333511636
Gotta sell those packs, homeboy.
>>333515497
They use the "Dust refound" mechanic, so massive balancing cards would make them lose money.
so the latest blizzard meme
>>333515918
p bad desu senpai
>>333515497
Money
Part of the reason I gave up on HS is precisely because they do nothing with the digital format except give the game internal RNG
>>333515918
alright this is going to enduce rage and confusion on my side
>>333515918
I dont believe that
Link
>>333515497
because they're idiots who don't want to take advantage of the digital format for a tcg
>>333516285
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20079876/whispers-of-the-old-gods-its-never-a-yawn-with-yogg-saron-4-7-2016
belieb it
>>333515918
>Random targets
>If you've played 10 spells, you could get 10 Pyroblasts to your own face
This is going to be such a bullshit card in all forms.
>>333515918
[x] doubt
Would be fun though
>hits your minion's with pyroblasts
>hits the enemies with buffs
BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODE
>>333515918
>Play 10 spells
>Plays Path to the Golden Monkey and puts a Golden Monkey in your opponent's deck
>Plays Whirlwind and then 8 Executes
Improbable, but possible and total horse dong.
>>333511636
>IT'S AS GOOD AS DARK BOMB AND MORTAL COIL
Mortal coil doesn't cost 2 mana, it costs one. Sure, you have to actually kill the minion with mortal coil, but usually you aren't going to wrath a minion for one when you can't kill it. Most classes have some kind of way to deal three damage, and Dark Bomb is the shittiest one in the game. The only reason Dark Bomb is a good card is because it's in warlock, a class that couldn't do 3 damage for 2 mana with no downside previously.
>>333515339
Shaman was never good
>>333512349
It wouldn't really surprise me if they either made one of the cards useless like they did with Leeroy and Warsong Commander. Force/Savage isn't really OP in my opinion, but Blizzard apparently hates it when a combo deck has a decent win rate, which is why they destroyed Miracle Rogue and Patron Warrior. If they nerf the druid combo druid's basically going to be constructed rogue after the Leeroy/Gadgetzan nerf, no one's going to play it, and we'll just have another dead class, and they also will never nerf Mysterious Challenger.
>>333517476
well they can't fuck druid harder than rogue has been fucked before
>>333515918
I hope I get this. Just imagine playing Brann the turn before, and he survives, and you've cast ten spells that game . . .
>>333517476
They don't need to Nerf Mysterious Challenger.
Avenge is getting rotated out.
>>333516968
Using that logic, there is a chance you also hit the enemy player with 10 pyroblasts. This card challenges the players loss aversion, all outcomes have the chance to also win you the game, its a coin flip, you win or you lose, which means if you are already losing, you can now make the game a coin flip instead of an outright loss.
So all the old gods are revealed? When do you think they'll release the expansion?
>>333511636
I really wish we could see some balancing in arena, I'm getting really tired of the Paladin/Rogue/Mage trinity. Shaman would be so much better immediately if they dropped lightning storm down to a common.
>>333517685
end of the month
>>333517585
Fair enough.
Also,
>Coin is a spell which means another Yogg spell
IMBALANCED IN FAVOR OF GOING 2ND.
I could see him as an "oh shit" play in a C'Thun Control Warrior deck.
Still depends on the rest of the expansion.
>>333517737
as long as paladin has all those bullshit cards as common's he's not going to go anywhere
>>333515918
this is some Eldrazi tier shit
>>333517856
>I could see him as an "oh shit" play in a C'Thun Control Warrior deck
You don`t play spells in C`Thun decks, you have 2-to-8 curve, or else your minions won`t activate.
>>333518017
Except Eldrazi are hella cooler and the only kind of a deck I'd want to pick up in MtG.
>>333518225
>You don't play spells in C'THun decks
Are you retarded? There's not enough minions to make a deck of nothing but C'Thun related minions, so you'll need to fill space with spells and/or other minions. You put in shit like Shield Block, Shield Slam, Weapons, etc. There's enough C'Thun mobs for most of a curve, but you're gonna need more.
Anyway, Reno C'Thun is probably going to be a thing, but first we need the rest of the expansion.
>>333518017
Except the Eldrazi cards don't have a solid chance of losing you the game after they're played
>>333518017
what does annihilator do?
>>333518593
You have to discard that many pernaments everytime it attacks.
>>333518593
Target player has to sacrifice X lands/minions/permanent artifacts when this minion attacks.
Exclusive to Eldrazi cards.
>>333515918
holy fuck thats a shitty card.
>Get a damage/removal spell for your own dudes
>Heal of enemies
Its FUCKING SHIT BLIZARD
>>333518910
It's also going to whiff semi-consistently.
If it casts Execute on one of your minions, it'll do nothing since you, as a player, cannot do that.
Unstable Portals will also exclusively go into your hand, for example. (Wild only, though.)
It can however, Pyroblast your face, since you as a player can do that.
>>333518485
Well, if you want consistent curve to get that sweet +10 armor, you better put all C`Thun minions in and play them on curve. Occasional spell or two wont do as much for Yogg as all of the Fatigue Mage or Miracle Rogue decklists.
>>333515497
Because while it would be okay for veteran players who have played from the beginning, it would fuck over any new players.
>3 adventures
>2 (Soon 3) expansions
Getting all these cards alone takes a lot of time (or a lot of money).
Imagine starting from 6 adventures and 5 expansions.
There would be no point in a new player trying to get into the game because the time/cost investment would be retarded.
Splitting modes into wild/standard is a good, common-sense move that doesn't alienate either side.
>tfw my favorite cards always get nerfed
>ragnaros will never be nerfed
it's not fair
>still playing hearthstone
the game is LITERALLY RNG the game. every stupid effect is RNG so you can have a game go well with your cards and then have a game goto shit with the exact same deck against the exact same opponent
I stopped playing that garbage months ago
>>333519517
>I couldnt get pass rank 15
>Its all rng
Just play Duelyst senpai. It's even coming out of beta and being released this month
>>333519716
>being a blizzard drone shit eater
come back after you've played some other card games like Magic kohai
>>333518272
>Eldrazi are hella cooler
This.
>>333519847
If youre so good in magic then why couldnt you get pass rank 15?
>>333512514
Darkbomb can go face
>>333519716
Not that anon, but I'm not going to lie here. I'm rank always going around rank 18-19 because to me it seems pretty much 3/4 people who I match against always have at least three legendaries and perfectly crafted decks. Now I know that maybe I shouldn't be playing ranked without a dekc that is known to win but it's not like I can just conjure cards.
>>333519979
>when confronted with something that criticizes their jew over lords, the blizzard dick eater responds with MUH MUH RANK 15
I was rank 7 so eat shit casual scum
>>333519957
>bottom-middle pic
Oh that guy looks cool and friendly
>Just finished murdering some people
Nevermind
>>333520123
That's not a guy, that's a factory.
>>333520220
Can you post the card? I'd look it up myself but I've no idea about the names.
>>333520220
It's a woman?
BLIZARRRRRRRRRRRRD
>>333520123
>>333520220
I personally never use that card myself as there are better ways to draw
>>333520274
here you go http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=401977
>>333511636
What the fuck should I do with my gold? I never spend even a penny on this game, but I have all the cards I need. Arena is treating me too good to be honest. Why is Hearthstone so fucking easy?
>>333520089
Well if its all RNG then why are you stuck at 7?
Is it because you were bad at the game?
Well if it's anything like WoW, it's because druids have always been the loudest whiners if they weren't great. Blizz gives them favors because they wont shut up otherwise.
>>333520589
>Arena is treating me too good
I wish I were you. My hero picks always seem to be shaman, druid and rogue, and I never even pull any legendaries and very few epics for my decks.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR MONEY KIND HEARTHSTONE COMMUNITY
>>333520805
Guy here. What the fuck dude. Pick Rouge. Literally one of the best classes to get high wins atm.
Really
What the fuck.
>>333520682
>and not a single counter argument for all the RNG, just constantly justifying it
how tasty is blizzard's shit? must taste amazing as you guzzle it all down your throat :^)
glad I dropped the game since all of you blizzard fags have no imagination and constantly spam the same shit decks you found online. Such a great meta when I play the same decks over and over and over again
>>333520409
Seems pretty shit desu, but I'm no master at magic, and even less at Eldrazi cards.
>>333520805
>>333520938
And you dont need neither Legendaries nor Epics do get 7+ Wins.
>>333518017
So if you can rack up the mana to play Emrakul, do you pretty much win the game?
>>333520975
>WAAAAAH IM BAD AT THE GAME. I CANT CREATE COMPETETIVE DECKS IN A CARD GAME
>>333520682
Hearthstone is fucking shit, cancerous motherfucker. You're "good" at the game because you rely on your shit RNG, real skill is another thing and you'll never witness it because you'll be stucked with baddies with your shitty MMR. Enjoy your shit blizzdrone.
>>333521018
It can be good, you just need to build around exiling your opponents cards
>>333521107
pretty much. 15 mana is so late game though so either the game has gone on for way too long, or you build your deck on drawing land/generating mana to play this sucker. There are still ways to deal with it though like forcing someone who played it to sacrifice
>>333521107
Not really, it needs a turn to attack and you just whiffed basically all your Mana, which may be all the enemy needs to crush you since you can't play any Instants or any other bullshit requiring Mana.
If you can hit with it, you basically win, though.
Also, it's not that hard to get 15 Colorless with some of the Special Eldrazi Lands, since you can get 2 Colorless Mana from them if you use it to summon a Colorless Eldrazi.
>>333521107
you can exile him
he is not even the coolest Eldrazi, pick related can destroy a entire deck in just a few turns
>>333520682
>>333521146
>ask developers why there's so much RNG in the game
>developers answer 'welll uhhhh sometimes.... uhmmmm.... its I dunno....'
not even your shit developers know why there's so much RNG, they just throw shit on the table without thinking. It's embarrassing
>>333520353
I have no idea why this card is so understatted. It probably will kill itself 50% of the time. It is very bad.
But you can bet your ass I'm making a deck with this guy if I get him from a pack, because it sounds fucking hilarious.
>>333521403
>It needs a turn to attack
>When you cast Emrakul, take an extra turn after this one
wew
>>333521496
>Exile top 20 cards per attack
Holy fuck. Eldrazi seem like they're dumb strong as long as you can get the mana for em.
>>333521403
you get an extra turn when you cast it sempai.
once it's out on the field it's pretty much going to attack no matter what unless you somehow exile/make them sacrifice it
>>333521146
Funny how all the competitive deck reply on the most reliable cards that have little to no RNG, like secret pally with their crusader. Any card that has RNG that is mainly used is used because the the effect is just that good. Nice bait though.
>>333511636
Mortal Coil costs 1 mana, invalid arguement. Wrath can only target minions.
>>333521671
There are a lot of decks in magic which revolve around killing you opponent in just a couple turns so getting them out is a problem.
>>333521561
RNG gives a game variety and depth of strategy. Games like MtG have a optimal strategy against certain types of decks. This make the game less fun as it becomes boring.
Blizzard eliminates this problem with RNG. By RNG the amount of situtations multiplies which gives more depth to the game. You have to account certain events to your calculations making it harder to predict the outcome.
This way the gameplay remains fresh and new even if the decks remain same
>>333515497
because they want to sell you the same cards again but under different names
>>333519159
But then you could make a mode where only new players can play.
Have more than 100 cards in your collection? You can't enter this mode.
>>333521869
>RNG gives a game variety and depth of strategy
Hahahahaha.
>>333521804
yeah fast decks are definitely an answer, just kill before they can get 15 mana
>>333521869
RNG is fine when it's under control, but Hearthstone has far too much RNG in it for it's own good.
when you can casually youtube and find dumb shit like this you know the game is garbage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDY_RVpFHQ0
>>333521998
Newb League would be neat, but something more like "If you have more than 2 Legendaries."
Cause there's no point in having most Legendaries, which pushes for people who understand this to dust trash and only keep good stuff to extend their time in the Trash League.
>>333521869
FAGGOT
>>333521869
Variety, yes. Strategy, no.
It just keeps a repetitive game being less repetitive
>>333522097
People love stuff like that video though.I do too, it's hilarious.
It definitely goes against strategic depth, but who cares, I don't play Hearthstone for the strategy.
>>333522063
>>333522190
>>333522241
>>333522097
>333522097
>samefag
>>333521783
You can't be this retarded without having drowned as a toddler.
>>333522307
I'm not even going to bother take a screenshot if you are so up your ass if you don't realise that RNG has always been the main complaint about HS.
>>333521804
>killing you opponent in just a couple turns
Goblins and humans?
>>333522397
how did you know? WHO TOLD YOU!?!?!
>>333511636
I'll tell you why.
And it is fair but the reason behind it is because of Blizzards retard design decision.
Each class has a theme, Druid is *supposed* to be the big minion rush theme, hence his core low cost cards are mainly shit to get your big cards out.
Since they created Druid solely to be used to rush big creatures out they had to balance him by giving him limited class specific low cost minions - and to make it so he doesn't get wrecked by face rushing he has cards with multiple choices
It makes sense in the design of hearthstone as a whole but in practice it is retarded as the meta has dictated druid to rarely be about big creatures
>>333521107
>>333520682
I got to rank 6. I stopped because getting there made me play a really boring deck. Also at that point you knew already from turn 1 if you were going to lose or not. Even the meta is RNG
>>333520589
just keep playing Arena then
>>333522809
The meta is just secret paladin, face hunter, and make sure you drop dr boom at turn 7
shit stale game is shit
>>333522462
If you're casting Increasing Devotion from your graveyard, you're close to done anyway.
>>333522927
>face hunter
Have you played at all in the past few months? That deck is barely played at all anymore.
>>333523032
theyre just mad because they are bad
>>333522462
there's really nothing special about what you posted. Worst case scenario, that champion is dead as fuck way before he gets any substantial buff. Best case, he'll be chump blocked for eternity
>>333523032
no I stopped playing months ago. From what I remember Face Hunter would always be on the ladder till you got to 16, and then below that it was nothing but secret paladin or reno jackson warlocks
>>333523232
show us how good you are in other card games then shitter
>>333523309
Reno's popularity made Face Hunter almost entirely disappear.
>>333511636
is mech mage with Antonidas a good tactic?
>>333523281
he'd be really good in an ally deck
every human that comes in will buff him and give an extra ability for that turn like life link or first strike/double strike
it's not a win all card but I can see how it can be played
>>333520353
This card seems awful but I'll definately try making a deck with 28 spells him and Brannon just to see what happens
The balance is this game is atrocious and the dev team has stated it's against their "philosophy" to change card texts. They only do it after months of people complaining 24/7 and even then they chose the easiest path: rotation mode.
I'm glad I quit this garbage.
>>333523474
It can't handle tempo mage without dominating them early, which is a lot harder than you think it is, and it's not particularly great against meta decks.
