I was watching the co-optional podcast and TB was going on and on about how the fact that Hyper Light Drifter was locked to 30 fps made it literally unplayable for him.
Is 30 fps really unplayable?
>>333490668
Only to retards.
>tfw life capped at 30
>>333490668
No its not. Its just an arbitrary standard PC gamers have set for themselves cause their babies. I sure as hell didnt hear anyone complain about the framerate in OOT.
While it is less responsive than 60 FPS, in my honest opinion 30 FPS isn't unplayable. Even as a PC gamer I'm accustomed to playing some games at below 30 FPS, if only because I'm poor and used to gaming on low-end computers like I have my entire life. Your mileage may vary of course, as does that of everyone else.
>Is 30 fps really unplayable?
Depends on the game
Some time if it's locked at 30 I just won't play it because it feels like shit and other times it's not that bad
>>333490785
That was 18 years ago buddy
>>333490668
No. It's just metastases getting to his head.
>>333490785
Fuckin 12 year old dipshit
More playable than 15fps.
I have a 144hz monitor. I am used to running games at more than four times that framerate. 30fps honestly hurts my eyes.
>>333490668
Depends on the genre. Anything that requires quick reflexes and accuracy is nearly unplayable at 30fps. Anything else just looks smoother.
>>333490668
3 years ago i wouldn't have minded 30fps
now not being a poorfag and having a decent pc i would never go back to 30
so people who are ok with 30 are just poor shits who don't know better
>>333490668
I bought Hyper Light Drifter and while I enjoy it the 30 fps cap is definitely detrimental to the experience.
I don't see 60 fps as an absolute must have like TB seems to, however it's undeniable that it makes certain games feel much more satisfying to play. Shooters and twitchy action games or RPGs especially. HLD is very much a twitchy, reaction action game the frame cap put a bad taste in my mouth. Similar to playing Bloodborne, wonderful game but it would have benefited immensely from 60 (or more) fps.
But no, 30 fps definitely isn't 'unplayable'. It just feels sluggish in certain games. I wouldn't care if a telltale adventure game was 30 fps, for example.
The whole FPS DIGITAL FOUNDRY 60 ONLY shit started this gen.
Ignore the fucks, 30 FPS is perfectly playable. If it still gets to you, just turn FPS counter off and enjoy the game.
It isn't unplayable, but there is literally no acceptable reason for a modern game to be locked at 30fps on PC
What about 48fps?
>>333490785
What do their kids have to do with fps?
The higher the FPS the better, that's objectively true. But 30 fps is playable.
I used to play Doom 3 at like 20 FPS because my PC at the time was horrible, and that was playable too, I beat the game.
Personally I think highly variable FPS is worse. If a 60 FPS game suddenly drop down to 30, that is jarring and disrupts gameplay.
Lower FPS is also much more bearable with a controller, because the analog sticks are less sensitive than a mouse. With a mouse you can definitely feel the difference.
>>333490842
>Depends on the game
This is the only correct answer
>play DS1
>use 60fps unlocker mod
>limit to 30 for sliding down a ladder
Holy fuck
Try playing a game at 60 for an hour or so, then switch to 30
literally unplayable
>>333490942
Ditto
>>333491117
Some of us aren't blind. I can tell when my game drops below 100fps because I'm not blind.
>unironically defending 20/30fps
man
30FPS is acceptable so long as it really means 30FPS and not "30FPS with regular dips into the mid 20s" like so many cinematic console games.
The more recent 3D Zelda games are fine, for example, since they stay at 30FPS nearly all of the time.
>>333491313
>Some of us aren't blind. I can tell when my game drops below 100fps because I'm not blind.
And yet you were blind during all previous gens.
No, 30fps is not unplayable besides some Genres, like Fighting, Racing, etc etc. But to lock a PC game at 30fps is fucking retarded and shows how weak a dev is.
>>333491296
This.
You won't know you're eating shit if its the only thing you ever tasted.
>>333491340
What else would console players spend their time with?
>>333490893
>>333490919
SNES games ran at 60fps so where were the outcry by people when N64 came around and had a shit framerate? Surely there was a fucking outrage that gaming was now moving backwards with worse framerates for better graphics? No, there fucking wasnt because no one besides elititst give 2 shits. Everyone still played the N64 and enjoyed the hell out of it even though the framerate was shiet. Framerate means literally when it comes to enjoying games unless you are rilling yourself up by having arbitrary standards.
Demanding that a game runs as 60fps to be enjoyable is as arbitrary as me demanding that the soundtrack is in the key of D minor for it to be good.
>>333491416
key doesn't determine quality
bitrate or compression whatever is a better comparison and is also a legit complaint
>>333490668
>Is 30 fps really unplayable?
yes especially on fast paced action games
if its shit like turn based games without 3d its not a problem
>>333491416
>Surely there was a fucking outrage that gaming was now moving backwards with worse framerates for better graphics
Going from 2D to 3D games isn't 'better graphics'
CSGO benefits from playing at 300 fps even if you have 60 fps monitor
Devs that stick with 30 should just go bankrupt already.
>>333491481
>key doesn't determine quality
What if it does for me? Does that mean I should parade my opinion around and trying to force that opinion onto others that are enjoying the soundtrack?
30 fps is absolute drizzling shits when you're use to 60.
Same goes for 720p when you're use to 1080.
>>333491379
Or maybe I raised my standards along with the current technology.
King's Field games sometimes dip to the 20s. It's all good because the gameplay is slow and methodical so you don't really notice it. It's only faster games where it becomes am issue.
>>333490668
Depends on that game. Hyper Light Drifter definitely feels like shit at 30fps
>>333491581
No, because the Key doesn't determine quality. Bitrate determines quality, objectively.
>LE CANCEROUS E CELEB THREAD
>>333490668
It depends. Genres that require precision like first person shooters are unplayable at 30 FPS unless you are a console FPS faggot that uses aim assist. Otherwise playing 30 FPS is possible in most cases but will look like shit.
>>333491416
More like the casuals were wowed by 3D while the 2D diehards shat on 3D games for being "slow and clunky" (low fps).
>>333491416
This is a serious case of stockholm syndrome
People with motion sickness are more prone to feel the effects with a game at 30 rather than 60.
I don't get motion sick but I have trouble looking at a 30 fps game after a while.
http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates
>>333491416
Yeah, that's why the developers for F-Zero X worked their asses off to and used whatever tricks they could to achieve 60 FPS for their game right?
for action games, 30fps is pretty crippling.
inputs feel very sluggish and delayed in comparison to 60+fps
PC games have been variable fps (with optional vsync) ever since 3D accelerated video cards became a thing. That's why many PC gamers don't like fps limited games (mostly console ports).
>>333491403
THIS
Before I understood the virtues of PC because mine couldn't even run TF2 on lowest settings I played Fallout 3 on PS3 and loved it. Once I made the switch it was like my own personal enlightenment.
>>333491416
Don't use Taro to defend this shit.
>>333490893
Except there was an outcry and a bunch of reviews even noted stuff like OoT's bad framerate.
It's just the casuals (who granted were less casual than the casuals of today but casual none the less) accepted it because "OMG 3D!", though even a bunch of the core audience got caught up in the 3D hype too.
The begininng of the 3D era was so bad for a bunch of "core" gamers that they became 2D lovers and 3D haters. A pretty big push in "retro" gaming came from people that hated the new 3D consoles because they ran like shit and played like shit.
Of course with the massive success of 3D and people getting used to low fps revisionist history has taken place and pretends everyone was okay with it.
>>333491416
This board is 90% PC master race meme. Don't waste your time with them.
>>333491872
This.
It's a pretty terrible programming practice on PC to lock the framerate anywhere at all.
PC users have wide variety of screen sizes and refresh rates and it's not even hard to program a game to adapt to pretty much anything.
>be 14 year old me
>get a PS2
>first game I play is P3
>during the boot up remember that we live in PAL region where all games run at a maximum of 50fps
>P3 runs at sub 50fps
LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>/v/, a board that is usually so full of itself unironically defending 30FPS
Daily reminder
Its not unplayable
It is infinity inferior to higher framerates though
>>333491892
name 1 Taro game that runs at 60 fps
>>333492154
shut UP you dumb pcuck!! NOONE can see the difference, it's PURE autism! framerates make no difference!!
>>333492136
should've watched digital foundry before buying it :^)
>>333491416
But the N64 was considered a failure or just a kid's system while gamers were already rocking Quake at pretty smooth frame rates in full 3D. Why are you trying to hype up an old system no one cares about renowned for its uncomfortable use?
>>333492150
It's because of the modern consolefags with stockholm syndrome.
>>333490668
>Is 30 fps really unplayable?
It's not unplayable, but it sure as hell isn't a pleasant experience either. And it's especially detrimental the faster the game plays. I really have no ideas what some indie developers are thinking by locking their fast paced action games to 30 FPS - the only explanation I can come up with is that they're fucking incompetent idiots, which is pretty sad in itself.
>>333491965
This.
The only people who WEREN'T upset about the new, laggy and stiff 3D games were the people who had never played games before the 5th generation.
>>333490668
30 fps can't distract him from the fact that he's dying soon and his wife's son doesn't even care
>>333492150
>Shitside Out reaction image
This website is 18+
>>333492224
Yes, you know the failure that was one of the most successful consoles of all time. If 1% of gamers didnt like it it doesnt make it a failure
>>333490668
Its not unplayable, but 60fps just feels a lot better.
Why doesn't anybody compromise and have their games run at 45 fps?
>>333492291
This.
The reason Nuclear Throne and HLD are locked to 30FPS is because they're made in gamemaker, which has a *default* FPS of 30. You just need to change it when you start making the game to make it 60FPS. That's literally it.
It's entirely on the devs being retarded.
http://www.30vs60fps.com/
if you can't see the difference then I honestly don't know.
btw
/thread
>>333490668
No, but higher is better so long as it is stable and doesn't interfere with the game mechanics (Remember DS2's weapon repair glitch).
>>333492389
I do it quite often. Not in fast paced games, but stuff like Witcher 3 or GTA V are just fine at 45fps.Allows me for running them maxed out at 1440p.
Is that TB story about him opting to watch a fifty hour Let's Play of Bloodborne rather than actually play it true?
>>333492332
It sold less than most consoles have sold. N64 was not very relevant at the time due to technical limitations.
>>333492428
These comparisons are not even that good tbqh, you really have to FEEL it when playing yourself
>>333492525
He has said that, yes. He is also not a huge fan of souls games anyway, and he doesn't have a lot of free time to play them. He has only completed Demon's Souls, before he has his current job.
>>333490668
I only care about dodger desu
>>333492679
When we are talking about different genres like fps and Hack n slash.
Then you should have 60 fps because i does hurt the gameplay.
Ofc you can get used the 30 fps lock, but if you play a lot of games you will notice the stuttering in the game when you engage in combat or the movement.
>>333492849
I also like midgets
>>333492926
Nobody's saying 30fps isn't shit, but that the comparisons aren't all that great or even relevant
https://youtu.be/poEqykRrxDk
>there are people so retarded and/or blind that they think all three of these look the same
>>333490721
Kill yourself.
>>333490668
>30 FPS
>in a "retro" pixel indie platformer
Are some devs just stupid or what?
Going from 120hz to 60hz desktop mouse movement triggers me
>>333493006
I likeFEET
>>333493219
>>333493021
But what do you mean by "FEEL" then???
Are we talking about the combat,movement or how the game runs ?
Because you don't have to play a game to see such a thing.
It's almost the same tick rates works in multiplayer fps game.
Like overwatch and 20 tick and then you compare it to a game like CS:GO 120 tick server.
30 fps is workable, but why wouldnt you want better? It directly improves movement, input and animation quality. Its nit like its some new graphics tech either, its been a standard for years now and yet for some reason people are fine with it drqgging its feet around or even back tracking instead of improving, when it has a direct impact on almost everything a game has to offer.
>>333492389
Screen tearing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JLhZAYs0ec
>>333493490
Of course you can tell it's shit by looking at it, but having control of the game gives you a much deeper understanding of the sluggish response to input.
Considering the game in point it really doesn't make much difference at all.
>>333493660
Thanks anon I just ordered this game
