>WoW is dying
>Other MMOs are going F2P or shutting down in under a year
>Meanwhile FFXIV is rising, still hasn't gone F2P yet after 3+ years, and set to get it's next expansion early next year
How do they do it?
FFXIV is fucking shit. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed some things about it.
Combat is irredeemable. Boring, tedious rotations, you have to watch and study videos on Youtube for every fucking boss fight. There is no room for improvising, every fight is scripted.
Not to mention as a Black Mage, I use like 4 or 5 spells. In FFXI I had what, 200 or 300 total? Granted I didn't use them all, but you had options to do whatever the fuck you wanted.
>>333439509
It's literally the only MMO that's good today.
>>333439929
Maybe, but that isn't saying much.
>>333439758
How much of a retarded faggot do you have to be to spoil fights for yourself and not branch out to different jobs that have different branching combo options?
>>333440076
It says a lot about how other MMOs are not even trying if some weeb game is beating them.
>>333440191
I had several jobs capped.
Let's see;
>Dragoon; this trust, that trust, the other trust, in a specific order or your DPS sucks
>Black Mage; Thunder, Fire, Fire, Fire, Ice, Ice, Thunder etc etc
My point is, everything is preset and scripted. No talent choices, nothing. EVERY Paladin is the same, besides gear score. EVERY Monk is the same. EVERY Bard is the same. It's boring as fucking shit.
>>333439509
>Major patch content every 3 months
>No pay to win cash shop
>Playable on consoles and PC
>Has the Final Fantasy name to it
It's not hard to understand why it's doing so well.
>>333440630
Every job is basically 2-3 specs rolled into one instead of being 4-5 ability pruned specs like in WoW. If you're not happy with a playstyle, switch to another job. You can level every single one on one character.
>another expansion
Well why start now when I need to buy even more shit anyway
>>333440671
If it was the same exact game with a different name attached to it nobody would be playing it. I guarantee that.
instanced endgame is boring as fuck
>>333440798
How is that true, every job performs the exactly same role. The exception being Arcanist. Speaking of Arcanist, the class system is a fucking hot mess left over from 1.0 that should have been gutted years ago.
>>333440985
How does a Ninja and Machinist play the same role? They are both DPS but they both play totally different.
>>333440868
Kind of like WoW.
Nostalrius is dead, is this game any good?
>>333440630
Who the fuck uses thunder as a blm? There is no time between lelynes.
Maybe I will cast one with quick cast when I am moving, which I should not bedoing
>>333439509
Only issue with FFXIV atm is how every patch is the same god damn shit.
Some new storyline that doesn't resolve anything, a few boring sidequests for some furniture, an attempt at pvp, a raid you will say is amazing for your first three runs then you'll come to loathe afterwards.
FFXIV was good, it did show subbed mmos can work.
But holy fuck, talk about a rut.
>>333439929
This fàm.
You literally can't name a better MMO you can play right now that isn't dead.
>new expansion
>new classes
>someone who hasn't played the game before interested in that new class
>will have to play 300 hours of story to unlock it
Fucking retarded.
>>333441106
Not what I meant at all.
I was comparing two Ninjas. Two Ninjas are always the same.
Whereas in WoW, you had Combat, Sub and Assassination Rogues. Not a WoW fag don't play that shit either, just an example.
Or in FFXI with the subjob system and the existent of support classes, skill chains, magic bursts, elemental weaknesses...all absent in FFXIV btw
>mfw playing machinist
>>333441503
Don't get me started on the fucking story.
>Talk to this NPC
>Teleport to this Atheryte
>Talk to this NPC
>Do a duty SOLO because you can't fucking do the story mode with friends in a fucking MMO
>Repeat about 1,000 fucking times, literally
>>333439509
They made it really accessible. But the problem is that it just got too repetitive. I quit a month ago and I don't have a single regret because everything feels so dull now. Which is a shame because initially I was hooked.
>>333439509
Because we all know that financial success means a game is good and not that it just panders to the lowest common denominator, right?
>>333441503
They dropped the ball there, but to be honest those classes are really more difficult and complex to the ones you have access in level 1 and 30. They should at least unlock it to lvl 30 players, since you go to Ishgard there anyways at lvl 30.
Tried this game, got a couple jobs to 60. What a waste of time that was.
>>333439509
>Meanwhile FFXIV is rising
Even by SquareEnix own numbers, they've lost at least 2/3 their subs. And that was based on numbers from launch to October 2014. Most likely, FFXIV has lost even more subs since then. The only bump they saw was after Heavensward came out, then most people quit a month later. Most servers are a ghost town.
But go ahead and provide numbers to the contrary. Oh wait, Square won't release them.
>>333441528
Every combat, sub, and assassination rogue plays the same though. It's even worse in WoW since specs give the illusion of choice,people just pick cookie cutter talents that are objectively the best and stick with that. XIV get rid of that shit by combining all specs into one job. Don't like that job spec? Switch to another one. No need to create an alt and do the starter zone to level cap all over again since you got hunt logs, beast tribes, fates, challenge log, hunt board, etc.
It's true that there are no elemental weaknesses or shit like that but all that is just unnecessary shit in retrospect. People would be shunning other jobs in FFXI just because they didn't bring a certain element to a fight or they were gimped.
>>333442061
Source?
>An MMO that is basically structured like a single player RPG advertised as the 14th entry in a long-running series of single player RPGs with a rabid fanbase.
Yeah I wonder why it's doing so well?????
>>333442080
>No need to create an alt and do the starter zone to level cap all over again since you got hunt logs, beast tribes, fates, challenge log, hunt board, etc.
lol
Levelling alt jobs in FFXIV was the worst after you done it at least three times.
Sure is fun grinding from Coerthas and N.Than for an entire day :D
>>333442061
>lost 2/3 of their subs
[citation needed]
Servers are still full as ever and have daily lockouts. You can only call the game truly declining once Balmung, Gilgamesh, Chocobo, and other servers are permanently open.
>>333442061
Nice source, pal
>>333442240
Fate grinding isn't even the best way for exp anymore, it's clear you haven't played the game in a long time you retard.
Remember all the people on FFXI forums who would whine that they were forced to play the game because it was a numbered entry, but that socializing was too hard?
All those crybabies play FFXIV now.
Come on, you can't possibly defend FFXIV class system.
>check out this awesome multi class system! you can take skills from other classes!
>you can choose 5 out of these 7!
>3 are mandatory and should be class skills, and the remaining are worthless!
>>333439509
Because it's fucking good senpai. The only people who really hate it are FFXI players and people who already invested 600+ hours into the game.
If it truly was shit, it would have gone F2P years ago.
How much has 2.0 relic been needed? I'm wrapping up animus and wondered what the rest is like
I like FF14 but it's not worth subbing all year around. I say sub 2-4 months of the year and that's it.
Please tell me why it's considered a good game? Is the FFXIV main story quest was a single player game people would be calling it worse than FF13. It's nothing but braindead instances that are impossible to lose and fetch quests, 80% of the shit you do isn't even relevant to the main plot and is just filler of someone wanting their groceries delivered or some shit.
>>333439509
They're being funneled millions of back alley money because they can't have another bad final fantasy game and it ABSOLUTELY CANNOT FAIL after the horrible launch.
>>333441320
Yes, this is better than WoW. But if you're a PVPfag then go find another game.
>>333442370
Dungeons are only good if you're a healer or a tank. And I've played recently. The game is shit now.
I remember having to run The Vault 19 fucking times to level WHM after AST turned out to a shitshow at its release. But thank god SE buffed exp rewards so I only have to run it 9 times :D
Fuck, the FFXIV fanbase is the most rabid group I've seen who can't take any criticism to their game.
>>333441878
fuck you nigga some cod games are actually good
I've been playing FFXIV since 1.0. I stuck with the game when it was bad and when it became above average. Right now the game is very boring at lv60.
I wish it had BCNMs, HNMs, raid areas like Sky, Sea or Limbus. The loot is boring as hell with every piece of gear having 2 main stats and 2 sub stats and Item level being what matters the most. They added gem slots to gear last patch but everybody adds DET > CRT to everything.
Once I'm done with my weekly and daily stuff the game becomes a chatroom.
This game is fun for newbies and 1st time MMO players, but if you're a seasoned player or at level cap its pretty boring.
>>333442203
>>333442253
>>333442329
Funny how none of you got mad about OP claiming FFXIV was rising. With no source.
>>333442991
Dungeons are good exp but still not the best method for exp/time. You're thinking like a WoWfag.
Oh look another hourly XIV thread, haven't seen one of these in a while. I wonder if OP is the same guy making these.
>>333443151
>Dungeons not best method
>Fates grinding isnt even the best way for exp anymore
Can you make up you cucks make up your mind
>>333443146
still waiting
>>333443151
A majority of XIV's playerbase are WoWfags.
>>333439509
FF14 isn't rising, there is no imperical evidence to support this claim. Fuck off shill and kill yourself. Holy shit.
>>333443327
If anything its failing. Literally the same content for over 2 years now and they haven't built on shit.
>>333441349
You use thunder in umbral, and thundercloud thunder 3s are technically more potency than fire 4 if you get the full length of the DoT.
f3 f4 f4 f1 f4 f4 b3 t1 b4 f3 is the general rotation.
>>333442824
*nerfed
>two XIV threads
>ZR resorting to spamming them all day every day
>pretending they're somehow better than /xivg/
>sam
>rdm
>dnc
>muh ala mhigo
>world pvp
4.0 is going to be weird
>>333443478
You literally wont get a single new class. Screencap this for later and save it and frame it.
>>333442080
I think the other anon was saying more that there are 36 specs to play in wow and, what, 12 in FF14?
>>333443442
>having time to cast thunder during umbral
literally when
>>333443442
>How to not play the class
Thanks anon
>>333439509
>next expansion early next year
Is there a source for this? I stopped resubbing after gears of change because there's literally nothing to fucking do, I can't comprehend how the game can survive another (at least) 9 months with such horrible endgame content drought.
>>333443547
Always unless it's a fast mp tick? That's the general rotation 100% of level 60 black mages use.
>tfw you play both
>tfw you love the lore of WoW but the music of FFXIVtfw you play both alone in the dark completely silent, only hearing the sound of your mechanical keyboard and the clicks of your mouse as you slouch back into your chair and stare at your computers for hours on end. You have no one to talk to and the only voice you hear for the entire day is your own when you think. You're not happy, you're not bored, you just play mindlessly, only realizing what time it is when you have to get up to go to the washroom. Thinking to yourself "What if todays the day? What if I just go to sleep and never wake up again? Will it matter?"
Fun game though.
>>333443146
spamming dungeons/fates are good exp but that's painfully boring and shitty. best way to get exp is so beast tribes, do the hunt board while you wait in queue, and get your challenge log done. Just sitting in town/fate hopping waiting for a queue is not only boring but a waste of a huge potential of exp you could be earning
>>333443478
You missed
>viera
>>333443478
>>sam
Would end up being another tank sword wielder
>>rdm
Wouldn't work in this game
>>dnc
WoWfugees wouldn't get it
>>333443734
I have never not gotten a fast mana tick. If I want to get back into Astral the second the mana bar is full it's always B4 F3
>>333443151
Actually, dungeons are miles ahead of anything else in the game in terms of exp/time.
I played the game for a few months last year. It was okay, but once I got to the end of the story in Heavensward, there was little incentive to keep playing.
My only regret was I never got to do the Coils of Bahamut.
>>333443540
think about this. Each spec in modern wow only has 4-5 main buttons to press and some talents to press. Meanwhile a FFXIV job can have 20+ buttons. you can only play one spec at a time in wow unless you respec outside of combat.
>>333443860
oh and PVP was the worst I've ever seen in an mmo
>>333443263
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/11/final-fantasy-xiv-snags-600k-subscriptions-exceeds-expectations
>600,000k people remained subscribed to the game
>out of 1.5 million people who bought the game
And that was just between the August launch and October 2013. The game saw 66% of people leave the game in just the first two months.
And since then, so far as I have seen, SquareEnix has not provided any official reports on how many subs the game has. So OP really has no grounds to claim it is growing. If you have a source, feel free to post it.
>>333443327
>>333443440
Samefag
Also, if the game was dying then severs wouldn't be locked right now. The game would have easily gone f2p already or removed servers if it wasnt sustainable.
>>333443902
I can understand someone liking one game over another.
But are you really that bias and ignorant?
>>333443737
Not me tho i have a job, lots of friends and more than enough time to play ffxiv. Stop being a lazy cunt
>>333444037
They shipped 1.5 million copies, it didn't sell that much.
>Le dying game :^)
>>333440191
He has a point though. Within any given class you're completely locked in to THE way that class is played, there's no room for variation or any kind of thought on your part. All your gears builds towards your same main stats, always using the same skills, and if you deviate from the optimum rotation then you're just gimping yourself.
As for fights, unless you have a group of friends equally fresh and ready to go in blind good luck ever managing to accomplish the tougher trials without looking up a guide or having someone in DF explain it to you step by step anyway. As with all themepark MMOs it's become so based around rapid, repeated clearing of content than any attempt to learn things on your own in a group setting is seen as wasting everyone else's time
>>333444037
>600,000k
Damn this game has billions of subscribers?
>>333444495
X - Servers shut down
O - Servers still running
Yep totally not shit
>>333444254
They hardly shipped anything since the majority of sales were online.
>not casting thunder as blm
Anons, if you play blm, just cast thunder. Before your opener, and in the rotations after your opener. The only time you shouldn't toss a thunder i/thundercloud thunder iii is during your opener.
Thundercloud thunder iii is 390 potency plus 40 potency for 8 ticks. Fucking use it.
>>333444685
Uh the x means it's a full server senpai
>>333444685
woah they shutdown Balmung?
>>333439509
>and set to get it's next expansion early next year
Shit really? Any word?
We get SAM yet? I'm pouring all my time in this game the second that comes out.
Until then MCH is pretty fun.
>>333444078
Not even bias or ignorant. WoW gives the illusion of complexity and branching choices when it's quite the opposite.
>>333439929
This.
>>333439509
they made a boring WoW-clone but put a FF skin on it and all the weeaboos flock to it
Slow ass combat and mediocre at best boss design draws in all the people who can't handle MMOs with better raids
Lastly the kawaii uguuu catgirls for furry shits to ERP all day while crafting cute dresses
A single MMO to hold all the cancer
also
>rising
yeah thats why Square runs screaming every time anyone asks for sub numbers right?
>>333444743
In current openers you do not use thunder. You apply it after the opener is over so as many f4s line up under pot/raging/bv foe/litany/trick as possible. In current rotations unless you can do b3 b4 f3 and get full mp, you do b3 t1 b4 f3. Usually thundercloud is frequent enough that you can just ride on your thunderclouds after that initial thunder 1.
>>333445246
>catgirls
>furry
>>333445246
If they did announce their sub numbers, it would just bite them in the ass later like WoW whenever there's a drop.
This game is probably dying on the EU side but there are a lot of NA servers still full of life. Gilgamesh and Balmung are locked 24/7, Leviathan and Excalibur is only accessible at like 4am, and even no name servers like Exodus and Hyperion are getting tons of new players asking questions in the novice network and just questing around.
>>333439509
I'll never forgive XIV for killing XI.
>>333445405
>being sexually attracted to ANIMAL FEATURES
this makes it furry
>>333445991
I regret getting into final fantasy kind of late. I kind of wish I could go back and play XI when it was more populated.
That XI event in XIV made me really feel like I missed an era, as faggy as that sounds.
>>333439509
Damn is there no other sub based MMO besides EvE and FFXIV that's still alive and not on life support?
I remember Wildstar and Tera had sub fees but those were dropped quickly.
>>333439509
it's fun
Im close to quitting. Realized I only login for roulettes. Figured I would give DoH and DoL a try. Now I realize on top of that I have to manage daily leves, GC turn ins, timed nodes, and scrips. At that point it just becomes a chore to try and stay ahead.
>>333445991
FFXIV didn't kill XI. FFXI was still going strong for a few years after XIV came out. And the game already lasted 10 years.
The developers of FFXI teamed up with the Dragon Quest team and made Dragon Quest X. If you want to be mad at anything, get mad at whoever is blocking Dragon Quest X from coming to the west. Because that's the sequel to FFXI you want.
>>333441503
Yeah I did not like how they went about the expansion content I had no plans to play any of the new classes anyway but there was literally no reason to buy heavensward until you are done with the ARR story because NONE of the content is accessible until then.
When I re-subbed a few months back and bought the expansion it did nothing until I got to 50 and went through the 5 patches worth of content.
>>333448402
>and went through the 5 patches worth of content
That pissed me off beyond belief. There is no excuse to force everyone to have to sit through literal filler when HW is out now.
>>333444075
This post doesn't make sense. The locking of servers is entirely based on how many accounts have characters on a given server.
If it were the way you are trying to make it out to be then people would be rage posting all over the official forums because they resubbed and cant play their characters.
>have to be 95th percentile in sephex to join a static
The fuck
>>333448402
if you bought the expansion, you get exp doing the story quests at level 50. by the time you reach the heavensward areas, you should be level 52-53.
>>333447963
Dragon Quest X is nothing like FFXI though.
>>333444685
>>333449323
>Not having a 99%+ parse on Sephirot EX
>>333442240
>Grinding FATE mobs for hours in Coerthas while partied with a bunch of randos
>as a WhM
>Then a Sch
>Then a BlM
Jesus fuck I never want to see that fucking mob of dragons ever again. It's been a year and I STILL hate fighting those shits
>>333444819
We could only hope but /xivg/ and all the other ERPers would ruin another server anyway.
>>333445419
We all know how that would go trolls and retards would go apeshit and claim LOL GAEM IS DIENG when subs drop from 500,000 to 499,999 I made that number up but you get the idea.
>>333449730
Maybe if my gear wasn't shit I could be above 90%
Best MMO on the market. People who deny it are deluded. The alpha for Legion is complete fucking garbage.
benis
>>333448826
I actually really enjoyed the story of those patches but it got really annoying when 1/5 quests was relevant to the story. You would go through filler quests and have quests that were actually interesting with story somewhere in there.
>>333444858
Nothing's official. It's the same bullshit spewed in these threads daily.
I've received some rumors that Hiroyuki is going to be more authoritarian on the content of boards in the coming future. I found this IRC dialogue on WikiLeaks before it was deleted and the public WiFi I was using was actually tracked. Needless to say, I got the hell out of there as fast as I could.
>Hiroyuki: [REDACTED], I have idea
>[REDACTED]: Lets here it now
>Hiroyuki: /v/ is a shit
>[REDACTED]: So they say
>Hiroyuki: /mmog/s are a shit
>[REDACTED]: Agreed, Its all wow and heavenshill
>Hiroyuki: There WILL have mose ESO
>[REDACTED]: YOu like TESO?
>Hiroyuki: No but...
The conversation picked up six hours later according to the WikiLeaks page.
>>333439509
So is this worthwhile to get into for someone who has never played a single FF game and knows jack shit about the story? I just want to play an MMO that isn't trash.
2.x>1.x>3.x
Really sad to see it in this state. 2.5 private servers when?
>Playing Conjurer
>Took a day to level Arcanist to 15 for WHM
This is so boring, Jesus, even healing dungeons is boring. Are magic classes just fucking mind numbingly boring or is every class?
Currently level 32. Playing on 3 free days I have on my account before I decide to resub or not.
>>333451170
3.0 was very barren once you got to 60 but the leveling process and getting to 60 was amazing and great
3.05 with savage was awful because of how fucking overtuned that shit was and the raiding community will suffer forever because of it
3.1 was awful, diadem was shit, verminion was retarded and pointless, but at least thordan was ok
3.2 is actually very good, midas savage is the first good raid we've had in over a year now quite literally, the pvp isn't awful this time (in my opinion and I hate pvp), and overall it was apparent they realize how they fucked up hard before so at least we're on the right track again
what we need is new content like diadem but not done so fucking awfully
diadem was great in concept, but man did they execute it in the worst way possible
>>333442843
This is like the fourth fan picture of her I've seen with weird proportions. What gives?
>>333453240
Fanart is all about drawing something the way you want them to look. 99% of fan art alters the original design of the character.
>>333443902
I play a warrior in ff14, you can't trick me
>>333439758
I'm glad I'm not alone on BLM. Where are all the different spells? Just Fire, Ice, and Lightning is all I get?
Where is Warp? Warp II? Slow, Bio, Darkness, etc. The list fucking goes on. And Summoner gets half the BLM DoTs and a boring pet that is half the size they were in FFXI or any of the other iterations. They butchered the mage classes in FFXIV. BLM used to be one of those jobs that had a high learning curve. Now any monkey with at least 3 fingers can play that role.
The job selection is just downright stupid. Astrologian? Machinist? Scholar? Before releasing key jobs like Ninja, Dark Knight, Red Mage, and Ranger? What the fuuuuuck?
I wish the FFXIV Box Art just read "Dragoon doesn't have a Wyvern anymore" and I never would've purchased the damn thing.
+>>333439509
>Meanwhile FFXIV is rising
this is false
>>333453919
>Where is Warp? Warp II? Slow, Bio, Darkness, etc. The list fucking goes on.
They're saving them for Red Mage and Time Mage. You know, about 4 expansions from now.
>>333453978
you have no source its declining but OP has no source that its rising
so it's stagnant?
>>333453919
Ninja and Dark Knight are out though.
But yea, FFXIV a shit in comparison to XI
WoW is but dusty bones that Bobby Kotick glues on his vest trying to convince the masses that it will return to its former glory.
Only thing it has going is private servers but that doesn't revive WoW.
Tera is small time, had fun combat though.
Guild Wars 2 is small time, first one was miles better.
Blade and Soul is the closest competitor against FFXIV, but doesn't have the popularity traction like XIV
Wildstar turned F2P because it was crap
Tortanic needs not a reason.
EVE online is on a whole different genre/level than the MMO market
Anything else I missed?
>>333441213
WoW has gone to shit but it was amazing for its time when it was released. FFXIV was never good.
>>333443442
>he doesn't open with [Ley Lines] > T1 > [Sharpcast] > F1 > F3
>he doesn't use [Convert] for a 5th Fire IV
>he doesn't play as a sand spud or roll with a SCH/AST to get the coveted 6 Fire IV opener
Bro...
>>333454429
Someone did post a source earlier about FFXIV losing 2/3 its playerbase in just the first two months. We just have no data to see how it has done since.
i love being punished with a garbage roll while the morons doing bad dps ir failing mechanics get 90+ rolls.
fucking bullshit.
>>333454725
Yeah you missed the fact that wow private servers got served and have to shut down
>>333454803
The thing about this is that literally every MMO released now has this happen to an even worse extent requiring them to go F2P. XIV is still subscription based so it obviously still has enough people playing for it to be worth it.
>>333455123
Well, then WoW's dusty bones have now been cremated into bone dust.
rip
>>333454803
that source was a baseless citation, no one knows the real sub number count or how much they gained/loss. but it's safe to say that the game is doing well if they haven't shut down or merged any servers yet and it still hasn't gone F2P.
>>333443478
>Ala Mhigo
>implying they won't cockblock with Doma
You'll get one more quest with Ilberd being an insane Scotsman and a few lines from Yda and Papalymo in the rest of 3.X and 4.0 combined. Screencap this.
I just want to say that it's annoying that 90% of the people who want to ERP my dickgirl roegadyn are other roegadyn.
>>333454732
WoW was carried mostly by brand name. It was never really amazing since it was a basically dumbed down version of Everquest with some inspiration taken from Ultima.
>>333455339
Fuck domo. I don't like Ala Niggers, but I'd rather go take the fight to the Empire there, than go to Not-Japan.
The last number I'd heard was like 790k subs or something like that the last time they did one of those census doohickeys. That was back in 3.1 tho and from all reports a lot of people came back for 3.2 so it's probably pushing one million now.
Now that I've gotten all my combat classes to 60,there isn't much to do sadly, except on Tuesdays. But it doesn't take that long to get my drops from alex, which, combined with void and roulette gives me most of the weekly tomes. Been leveling some crafters, but it's boring, and I have a full house and most of the glamour pieces that I want,so there's little drive
>>333455609
I played EQ for years. Vanilla WoW had far better combat and was much more polished than Everquest ever was. Everyone in WoW beta knew that it was going to be huge because it was significantly better than every other MMO at the time.
>>333455640
Well I mean consider that they're hinting SAM to be in the next expac. A samurai wandering around a magitek Iraq doesn't seem too likely.
>>333455312
>that source was a baseless citation
It came from SquareEnix themselves. And you can type 'Final Fantasy XIV 600,000' in google right now and see dozens of sources for it.
People claiming FFXIV is rising right now is baseless citation. Since there's absolutely nothing to base that claim on.
>>333455852
FFXI was better
>>333455709
The funny thing is those numbers weren't subs, they were active players.
The actual sub numbers are WAY higher.
Back last October they did a census of WoW players based on achievement numbers for their brewfest. Even though the game had 4. whatever million subs only 1.3 million had actually logged in over a 2 month period.
>play BLM
>try Sephex
>pick up melee DPS
Fuck how am I supposed to cast on this asshole? Is it even worth doing outside of the prestige of saying I did it?
Thordan was at least fun because battle fever comes over the Heavensward.
>>333455987
Okay so they had 600k subscribers at launch. There's no telling if that number declined or risen other than that one Luckybancho lodestone survey someone did and that showed they had 710k active players during 3.1 (admittedly the lowest patch point of the game).
>>333456418
And well deserved, because 3.1 was the shittiest state the game has been in since the relaunch.
>>333456418
>Okay so they had 600k subscribers at launch.
No, it hd 1.5 million subs at launch. Which dropped to 600,000 after 2 months.
>There's no telling if that number declined or risen other than that one Luckybancho lodestone survey someone did and that showed they had 710k active players during 3.1 (admittedly the lowest patch point of the game).
Yes. As I said.
I want to get into FFXIV, but the trial didn't really grab me. Is it worth picking up past level 10? It felt really meh and standard Korean mmo
>>333456647
They shipped 1.5 million units, they didn't have 1.5 million subs.
>>333456731
It's nothing special, DESU. Unless you have friends, don't bother. It's an 'okay' MMO.
>>333456731
The first 20-30 levels are the absolute worst the game has to offer.
Give it another go with the idea that it'll only get better from there.
>>333455740
I would have little drive too if I spent more than 2000 hours playing a single game.
>>333453919
Anon, the jobs are based on tactics right now.
Astrologian and Machinist were NPC exclusives in the first Tactics, and there never was a Red Mage.
Bard is your ranger. In fact they made them even more like a ranger with heavenswards where you lose most of your songs in exchange for a cast time.
However, XI was the only FF where dragoon had a pet wyvern and fuck you for wanting that shit to return.
>>333439509
I wonder which will go F2P first, this game or FFXI.
>>333457390
Squeenix will shut them down before making them F2P.
>>333456731
At level 15, you start doing (mandatory) dungeons. At level 30 you get a second class, though its no different than the first class in progression. At level 60 you hit end game and there's nothing to do but raiding for gear, selling stuff on the market or crafting. All of which sucks.
I enjoyed playing the single player PvE experience, despite the story being laughably bad. But the end game is horrible. I suggest either buying the game and quitting after the first month or not getting it at all.
>>333439509
I actually really enjoy it and did for a time but I feel overloaded on games and an mmo isn't even a question. God my backlog is giant.
>>333457540
Square will go for whatever model makes money. If FFXIV stops being profitable as a subscription game, they'll make it F2P with an item shop. Just like many MMOs have done.
And please stop trusting what Square says. They've contradicted themselves so many times, they should be called Circlesoft.
>>333457756
I wasn't going on any sort of statement they've made, they just seem like a bunch of incredibly prideful and obstinate gooks that will put appeasing their pride before making the most amount of money.
>>333457575
Kind of my experience as well.
Enjoyed the game until I ran out of main content.
I'm not bitter about it at all - the amount of time and money I put into it was totally worth what I got out.
If I kept grinding myself to death on endgame, however, I probably would regret it.
>>333452223
(He didn't say anything about openers)
>>333455640
Doma is occupied too though.
>>333458627
was for >>333454767
>>333457942
They do seem that way and I wouldn't put it past them to kill off a game just to save face. But they are under new management now (because of FFXIV) and hopefully they will fix this.
MNK or NIN, /v/?
Last I played, I already had some experience in NIN but I'm not sure I like it as much as I thought I would.
>>333458696
Doma isn't occupied, Doma doesn't fucking exist because Garlemald burned it to the ground. Which is why people who think we're going there in 4.0 are fucking retarded.
>>333458930
They probably left like 3 Roegadyn to watch the smouldering crater.
>>333458903
Monk for RAW DAMAGE
Ninja for team supporty shit and letting your allies hit absolute maximum potential.I just hope RDM or Rune Fencer lets me continue my ridiculous glamor style.
Finally went into A5S tonight after saying I was done with raiding since Gordias was a travesty.
Holy SHIT this fight is fun. It feels easier than most of the content out there but it moves really fast and you're always doing something. Here's hoping the rest of this raid tier is as good as this.
>>333458903
punch class best class
What makes FFXIV a better game than WoW? As a long time WoW player who has been unsubbed for about a year, what is better about FFXIV? Because I am considering going back to WoW near Legion launch.
>>333459475
idk man, it's hard to explain
>i216 ninja
>only do 1400 DPS on the seph EX SSS dummy
I should kill myself right?
>>333460257
You might wanna work on your rotation.
I just beat the A8S SSS at 224 as MCH but I had beat the A7S at like 219 so you should be way higher than almost beating A5S SSS.
>>333460530
I'm not sure I have a solid grasp on the gameplay theory.
I thought it was just 'do the opener' followed by "do your rotation and pop off-GCDs as they become available" but that doesn't seem to be cutting it. Probably doesn't help I'm only using an i210 weapon, and that I bought my gear with scouting Eikon stuff being lousy with skill speed.
>>333459475
Nothing. Other than the music FFXIV is absolute shit. Combat is atrocious, the story is objectively awful and most of the content is meaningless fetch quests with no connection to the main story.
The simple fact is that there's no MMO worth playing right now. FFXIV threads are usually just pathetic weebs trying to rationalize their poor choices.
>>333461380
I'm not sure how NIN plays but from what I've heard it's pretty straight forward. Maybe look up a guide or two and see if your playstyle lines up. Most classes only really have one way to play them so the one in the guide is usually right.
As far the SSS numbers go I have no clue if MCH is some kind of fucked out outlier because it's so busted and OP right now or if you're just way below where you should be.
>>333460530
I do about that at i216 on DRG with a 210 weapon but I keep being a shitter and occasionally letting blood of the dragon drop on the dummy. Can clear the dummy consistently though.
I've been comparing my numbers on ACT to other people and seem to be doing fine in actual fights.
Just be glad your not the shitter NIN running a seph ex learning party I just left was doing sub 800 DPS every time took like 5 fucking pulls to get fiendish rage mechanic down (like seriously DPS stack left is not fucking hard he kept stacking on the heals and OT) and fucking died to ain+purple/green aoe marker combo every fucking time.
>>333449093
>The locking of servers is entirely based on how many accounts have characters on a given server.
No it isn't. It's based on how many people are currently logged into the server at the time. The high pop servers only open for a very very brief window at the most obscure hours where hardly anyone should be online compared to what is normal.
>>333443478
They've outright said they're only doing two jobs next expansion and it's going to be RDM and SAM.
I'm betting we're going to go to Doma over Ala Mhigo. Or maybe it'll be both.
Au Ra homeland needs to exist before Highlander homeland does because they blend in fine among the rest of the races in the current areas we have. There is no Au Ra area yet.
>>333443215
Yeah, I prefer the hourly "Legion will save WoW" threads.
>>333462696
This was meant for >>333460257
>>333462931
Legion will save WoW FACT Legion has demon hunters FACT legion has illidan FACT legion has Artifact weapons that are cool FACT Legion has all the world pvping coming back FACTS Legion will save wow
>>333450113
woah
is that an Eredar Lord of the Burning Legion?
>>333450113
Please explain why you think this.
>>333463628
>artifact weapons
Man I fucking love doing random random events in every zone in the game for a 5% drop chance of a crystal that you use to make the first stage of a 12 stage process.
>static broke because we were all terrible and could not beat A3S
>lose interest in game since 3.0 literally had no content aside from Alex Savage with 99% of the player base couldn't even complete
>"That's it, I can finally put this game down."
>see 3.1 pass by and not even a speck of interest
>3.2 trailers comes around
>"Well, Midas looks kind of neat and they probably learned their lesson with raid difficulty with the previous tier."
>run through story mode
>depressing as fuck but had me interested throughout
>have a static for Midas with a bunch of fags I can goof around with
>already planning on crafting specialities and leveling multiple classes to 60
>tfw addicted to the game once again
Fuck /v/, I just can't help it. My social life is going to go down the shitter again.
>>333439509
the MMO market is shit because of games like this that are shallow copies of WoW. There is nothing good about this game, all it does is showcase where MMOs went wrong.
>>333464079
you're slow, aren't you
>>333464308
lol fatty
>>333464632
Is your game that boring that you people resort to camping ffxiv threads on /v/?
>>333464746
fatty
>be doing 900 dps as a sch last week on a8s until swindler
>now with lore im at 1100
I LOVE POVERTY
>>333464958
Why not just play summoner instead? It's not like you heal at all.
>>333464147
too bad a7s is a buggy piece of shit
>>333465095
because i heal when swindler comes out and i heal the tank buster during discoid and im shit at smn since theyre not the same as SCH anymore
FFXI is still alive and well.
Start playing on Asura, since it's got the highest English-speaking population. They're gonna keep adding content updates to it indefinitely.
I played the game from 2004-2010 and then recently came back a month ago. The world is so different but it's still great in its own way.
I'll check this thread in the morning to see if anyone wants a linkpearl.
>>333450113
>those numbers
I quit and never look back. Thx god for it.
>>333465560
xiv is creeping up there pretty fast
>>333439509
>Dofus, runescape, nexus tk , eve online
>are still using subscription
>By logic those games are "alive"
That's not saying much
>>333465725
That's Yoshi's fault for invalidating all the 2.0 content; we went from a max iLv of 130 straight to 210 with Heavensward.
Add in sidegrades already you fucking morons.
>tfw get a 10k crit adlo
sch best class
>>333466636
You mean WAR best job.
What class hits the biggest numbers/highest dps in XIV? I want to rub my e-penis all over the meters.
>>333466728
MNK > BLM > DRG > SMN > NIN > MCH > BRD
In that order.
>>333465328
I mean, they're the same at the base level.
>>333465392
Content updates are done at the end of the year theres probably going to be some nice quality of life improvements and such as well with console support being dropped
>>333466795
i know they are which is why i played smn at 50 too bad at 600 theyre way too different
>>333464056
Blizzard has stopped reporting sub numbers, they're threatened by a successful private server enough to shut it down and file a lawsuit, there's absolutely no word on the Legion beta, more people talk about XIV than WoW.
XIV simply has more going on for it, it's exciting. WoW is tired shit that everybody is sick of.
>>333462770
Nobody believes that. They keep the servers locked because it deludes people into thinking there's more people playing. Gilgamesh is dead most of the time.
>>333466793
BRD caught my eyes just because of how much I love the bard job in almost all games and knowing that it does the lowest dps makes me sad with this game. Is is still worth picking up if you love BRD or will it cause me to get kicked from raids?
>>333466913
>too bad at 600 theyre way too different
Too hard for you or what?
>>333467104
If you actually good nobody will care what's your Job.
If you're garbage even Job that's suppose to do highest DPS will do the lowest.
Amount of effort you have to put into being gud is
MCH > NIN > SMN > BLM > DRG > BRD > MNK
>>333467104
BRD is a support dps. One of the only two in the game and are needed for a lot of serious end game content for buffs and regen
Red Mage when?
>>333467346
SMN is way easier than BLM.
I just wish there was content besides piss-easy dungeon grinds and 8-man jumprope-oh-one-person-lagged-we-all-dead.
>>333467535
EX Primals.
But which class hits the hardest single numbers? Is that WAR with fell cleave?
>Meanwhile FFXIV is rising, still hasn't gone F2P yet after 3+ years, and set to get it's next expansion early next year
>How do they do it?
F2P-like cash shop shit. Unlike WoW which could shut down its cash shopbut not its token shopand still stay alive, XIV relies solely on cash shop shit as its main source of income.
Financial reports are really telling about this, they barely make shit from subs so they never bother saying how much they make or how many subs they have, they only mention profits from merchandise and additional services.
>>333467675
BLM.
>>333439509
>Has SE behind it
Even if they're making a medium sized profit, they can stay sub based because SE makes so much money by itself.
The profits from FFXIV are so minimal that they aren't even listed in financial reports. They're just grouped up with all video games. That's how much SE is making.
WoW and FFXIV are the only games able to stay sub based + buy2own because they have a large company behind them to support them.
>>333467675
BLM.
>>333467346
blm goes above nin
managing buff/debuff timers is a lot easier when you can move
>Shilling XIV unironically this hard
is this a joke?
>>333467606
The game's trials in generals are terrible for content and made worthless after the first week, unless you're OCD and want to fully gear your alt classes with weapons/mounts/etc despite the fights being the exact same every time.
I might resub honestly, at least once I get a new computer.
>tfw HW content will probably be dead by the time that happens
>just more cool stuff I will never ever see
Oh well.
>>333439509
yoshida is jap jesus. i do wish there was more sandboxy content
All I know is that I'm ready for a change of scenery. Thankfully 3.3 is supposedly whenthe Dragonsong war is ending so hopefully that means we can start finally transitioning into the Ala Mhigo arc and get the fuck away from these areas.
>4.0 introduce SAM tank
>it's just WAR with Mudra
Would you be disappointed?
>>333468618
It would be par for the course for Yoshida the Hack and what most people are expecting, I'd still be disappointed, yes.
>>333467148
i dont find attunement stacks an enjoyable mechanic
>>333467803
Saying that the only reason these games still have subs because they have large companys behind them is a really poor argument when you consider how fast games like The Old Republic went F2P. But that is EA which is an entirely terrible being as it is.
>>333468774
Heavesward: everyone gets a Greased Lightning like mechanic because we ran out of ideas, except physical ranged, they get to become casters because fuck you.
>>333468723
>>333468926
How many images do you have in your "Yoshida the Hack" folder?
>>333468926
>MCH
>caster
Can't hear you over my mad procs and off-stance
>>333469001
Not enough.
>>333469001They aren't in a separate folder so I have no idea.
>th-this game is better than a 10 years old game!
>it's the best wow clone on the market!
wew lad.
>>333467346
>>333467372
Aight thanks for the info. I'll work on that later.
Not having an 16+ month content drought.
What should I do with my excess esoterics? I don't have any other classes at 60 and I doubt I'll get them there any time soon
>>333469496
Relic oil.
>>333469496
relic tokens cuz why not.
>>333469496
Level desynth.
>>333469478
It already had a 7 month content drought on its first expansion.
>>333469496
Buy esoteric materials and sell them on the market. 3* crafters go through the stuff like candy. Alternatively you can start buying unidentifed items for your anima if you want to bother with that.
>>333469572
>7
It had <5 month before the first patch
>Inb4 it's not content cause I say so
>>333469671
Relevant content is the only content. Go look at FFXI which is pumping out battle content month every single month.
Why ARR can't even do basic shit like expanding on maps/hunts or any other system they implement they can layer upon every update is beyond me.
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