>le balanced instant kill corner ass lady
Git gud.
Her buttons are assor cancel into ass
>>333438310
>instant kill
you must suck then
I dislike both IV and V, so I'm not on either side of the fence between games, but I have no idea how Vfags can say V is an honest game as an argument against IV when she exists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhiy6xSwfjk
>>333438310
Her normals are really awful when not at pointblank, and both of her command grabs have pathetic range. If you let her get you in the corner, you deserve to lose.
Mika sucks versus fireballs
>>333439909
haha no. I eat Ryus for breakfast
>sf kiddies complaining about 30% damage resets
Lol git gud scrubs, you would be crying to mommy if you played a real mans game
http://youtu.be/JUNlWVzmMsk
>>333440251
Potemkin is low tier who cares.
>>333440251
Machamp main here come ar me bro
>>333438590
> pushes her buttons
nothing?
> pushes them harder
are they supposed to turn red?
>>33343980
her cr.mk is a good poke and her sweep is good for catching shit and she has a fast armored move to catch buttons with great corner carry.
You shouldn't lie to people.
>>333440618
Her sweep is -12 on block that does not make for a good button.
>>333440189
Teach me the ways, please.
It ain't his fireballs that are fucking me up by the way.
When will we get past this Mika is OP meme and start seeing Laura for the cancer she truly is?
>>333441161
When someone win a major with her by skill instead of lack of matchup experience.
>>333438310
from bottom to top
we've come so far from a3
>>333441161
once people actually start playing Laura
let's talk about how perfect Cammy is instead
>>333441070
Just like everyone else's? All sweeps are unsafe in this game. He said for catching people, not mashing.
>>333441070
Every sweep is negative as fuck on block but that doesn't make them a bad button.
>>333438590
Toppest kek
>>333440251
I thought Potemkin wasn't allowed to be good
People still play this shit? I've already moved on to Melee.
>>333441341
She isn't top though. She is just filling the spot of "broken grappler" that scrubs cry about in the beginning of every game. At least capcom will wait a year to do a balance patch, or else she would receive the Hugo treatment from SFxT.
>>333441305
See here is the think
People think they lose to Laura because they have no matchup experience.
When in fact She is just that good of a character
Mike was right all along
>>333441070
It's not about the recovery, it's about the startup. Everytime I do a sweep on a blockstring, I get CCed by my opponent's sweep.
>>333441497
It also doesn't make it one of her 2 noteworthy normals, it's good in certain places but cr. Hp is miles better
>>333441669
>tfw they fucking butchered Hugo to hell in SFxT
>tfw it still hurts
;_;
>>333441809
No. Everytime she does her flowchart on block she is resetting into neutral instead of being at an advantage.
>>333441341
>Top
Nah.
Queen of bullshit, definitely
>>333441428
God Cammy is fucking perfection. I'm a ultra bronze shitter but everything feels right with her
Aaaaaah <3
>>333441809
But she isn't characters with 3f jabs stop all her pressure unless you got hit and even then you can probably mash jab to get out.
>>333441809
Get out of here, Mike Ross! Go back to giving away those turbos, you turn-waster.
>Le balanced monkey man of no combo
>>333441982
>>333441982
Why is she so pornographic in this game?
>>333441887
Her cr.hp is hella good and i didn't remark on it but it gets bodied by shit sweep doesn't.
man I just want to know
where is all the porn?
>>333441646
>I've already moved on to Melee.
I'VEREACHEDMYBOILINGPO
>>333442046
Dio?
>>333438310
Are you talking about Karin?
What is your choice, Mikabro?
Regular 14. Would use premium 9, but fuck survival.
>>333441982
>>333438310
At launch:
>Wooooow Mika is LITERALLY the worst character. What a waste of a slot.
Now (April 6, 2016):
>R MIKA'S FUCKING CHEAP DELETE HER DELETE HER FROM THE FUCKING GAME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Classic /v/
>>333442207
nice
>All the bitching and shitposting about her being shit in Alpha and was going to be shit in 5 before the game came out
>>333441646
>melee niggers trashing on sf5
the autism is spreading holy shit.
>>333442046
Alex sucks in V
He sucks in any game
>>333442127
Hella good at a distance.
>>333442275
Got this for other characters too?
>>333442091
I don't know but if there's one thing SFV is getting right it's the waifus. Literally not one bad looking female character. And they get all the best costumes
>>333442075
beautiful smelly soft feets.
>le balanced teleporting frankenstein
>Extreme Survival match 87 with Nash
>Connection has been closed.
Fuck this game and whoever likes it.
>>333442510
Karin's drills look fucking awful
like fucking pastas
>>333442697
Why does everyone call him Nash even in flashbacks?
>>333441809
if you say so miek
How do I not suck shit with Necalli? He doesn't seem to have anything good...
>>333442345
Really fun though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKzompKrILc
This game's tier is pretty balanced, and wherever Alex fit in, I'm sure there will be some especialist bringing fun matches to our delight.
>>333442459
http://www.eventhubs.com/imagegallery/2016/apr/06/all-colors-all-current-costumes-street-fighter-5/18/
>>333442275
holy shit that last costume is the shit!
Mika is OP she needs a nerf bad
>>333442207
After seeing the alternate costume in motion I think it's pretty good. I will buy it unironically.
>>333441945
>>333441992
>>333442030
>>333442869
Im out her telling people THE TRHUF and they won't listen.
go ahead then laugh all you want but don't come crying to me when she is dominating the scene
>>333442908
>the way her coat lays over her butt crack
MUH
>>333442829
Because Capcom is always shitting itself on "plot".
That's their way of making Nash be the proper name in Japan and in the West, everyone calls him Nash but only Guile calls him Charlie, making Charlie Nash canon.
>>333442345
not really mate he's pretty good. I'm having trouble against Bison though. anyone got tips?
>>333440251
>getting hit with Dust
>in the corner
>by Potemkin
>not bursting
If anyone gets hit by this it's their own fault
If mika is so good why don't you play her
Have you ever played a command grab character before? Maybe if you did, you would understand how to beat her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e93QwsfYgO4
>>333441809
Laura is just discount store Makoto anyway, she'll be irrelevant once actual Makoto gets made.
>>333438310
She's like fuerte and abel mixed together they couldn't make a more cancerous character if they tried
>K Brad calls out every R Mika player on his top 5 fraud list
>K Brad calls out Luffy on his top 5 fraud list for not even getting out of pools in the last 3 EU tournaments
>Luffy switches to Mika for the most recent EU tournament and gets second.
Floe also called him out on the most recent capcom pro talk.
how does it feel
how does it feel to lose to marn
i need to know
![2ec[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/tZYs2oN.png "2ec[1].png")
don't get cornered
I don't even play mika (karin and alex)
get good
>Kazunoko dumping Cammy for Necalli
>801 Strider dropping her too
>Poongko regularly on suicide watch after drowning in pools with Cammy
What's the deal?
>>333443484
How about no, you stupid dirt eating cheap nigger? I only play Ryu because I'm actually an honorable and fair player, unlike you.
>>333443708
lol saying don't get cornered against mika is basically saying don't get hit every halfway decent mika confirms into passion press.
>>333443950
shes solid but completely linear so if the other player is familiar enough with her then you aren't going to be surprising them with shit a la Ryu in USF4
>>333443950
All 3 used to play characters with a command grab. And that's what they need to feel comfortable.
>>333443950
Cammy is the day one left/right 50/50 she has no overhead or reliable command throw and all her mixup is pretty react-able offline. It's really hard to crack good players with her.
Where ma Birdie niggas at?
>>333442829
Guile called him Charlie, though.
>>333444229
looks shit
>>333442829
why the fuck does everyone call Bison 'Vega' in the story? So fucking stupid
>>333443950
She is a really good in your face character which is those players prefered playstyle but as >>333444148 said good players wont easily crack, once she get's the pressure going tho she can look nasty
Wait people think Mika is actually good now?
Shit, time to pick SFV back up
>>333443969
You're just scared of being put into a setup, so you need your invincible reversal. Git gud and don't let people put you in that situation, scrublord.
>>333444652
>waifushitter letsplay watcher
Have fun in ultra bronze lmao
>>333443969
You don't get any points for playing "honorably". You don't get any tournament money for playing "honorably". Daigo does not play "honorably". Daigo is a nigga who raw DP's someone three times in a row because he's got a read on them and his opponent was a retard who was thinking "daigo is honorubru nipponese player, there's no way he'll just raw dp me again". This is a concept that only exists in your mind. The objective of this game is to win.
If you see something in the game you think is OP, try to do it yourself, you'll either come to one of two conclusions, a) "this actually isn't that good, I keep getting beaten even though I'm doing it properly, now I know how to deal with other players that play like this" or b) "this is causing me to just soak up fight money and league points, this is fun".
Either way, you come out of it being less shit at street fighter.
Dhalsim is the real cancer online but there's not that many of them so he's pretty much never bitched about
>>333443950
She has no overhead or projectile, Against a crouch blocking opponent her only options are to throw or go for a slow as fuck jump in.
>>333445327
I'm just glad good Dhalsims don't exist in normal Silver because watching Arturo or Champ play Sim gives me stomach ulcers from how lame and gay he is.
>>333445450
>tfw fighting aactualteleporting Dhalsim for the first time
Took me a lot of games to start reacting to the teleport and AAing with jab.
What are FANG's best/worst matchup guys?
>>333443552
I've been saying this shit from day one when we got beta video footage. Got called fucking retarded.
Now I'm seeing this shit every other SF5 thread. Feels good to be validated now, but fuck.
>>333442315
she is shit though thats the problem. everything about her is trash except for her one gimmick but once she gets that going you're locked into vortex coinflips for the rest of the match. shes horrible to play against because no matter what you do you fuck up a single time and you're playing a slot machine instead of street fighter.
>>333445327
Not maning Necalli and pushing Dhalsims POO back in LOO
Literally the most free matchup in the game
Am I the only one that feel half of the brain dying anytime Ken shows up? I literally just crouch during the match.
Does balance even matter to 90% of players?
>>333440251
We know that animu fighters are setplay garbage.
Dont have to remind us.
>>333446620
as long as one or two chars aren't completely broken, nobody cares, unless it's anime fags, the games are stupid anyway
>>333442873
watch Mago or someone good with him
>>333446130
Do not bully the YOGA.
On an unrelated not, I need a cozy Alex.
>>333444230
he say's Nash in the japanese audio
Only Mika players defend Mika.
>>333441809
Does anyone have the JUST haricut?
I need to edit this so bad
>>333440251
Anyone who gets bodied by Potemkin is no longer allowed to attend tournaments.
It's in the game's instruction manual.
How do I git gud with Alex, /v/
Just went through all the trials and shit
>>333447262
Learn footsies, learn setups, learn to maintain momentum.
That character requires quite a bit of work for proper play.
>bop a Nash
>he starts jumping back and throwing Sonics
>we trade in air
>I try to jab
>he grabs me
>we do it again
>I try to grab
>he sweeps me
>>333441669
>mika
>grappler
She's a grappler in the sense that Eddie from guilty gear is a grappler maybe. As in not at all. Although unlike eddie she has easy as shit execution for how deadly her mixup potential is. Making this game so easy was a big mistake if it has fraudulent characters like Mika.
>>333447329
Well I'm generally a casual when it comes to actual fightan so I could stand to learn the basics
Guess I'll dive into that tutorial mode for a little bit
>>333447473
Let's hope capcom keep their world of balancing through buffs instead of nerfs. I don't want Mika to get nerfed to hell.
>>333447818
You can't really "buff" other characters just to stop mikas cancerous setplay unless they gave everyone a free invincible unstoppable reversal. But that would make the game as a whole more cancerous, on top of making mika garbage tier.
>>333443950
Filipino champ has been saying Poongko and Kazunoko are frauds for years now.
https://youtu.be/iu9Fnch8JQs?t=5m33s
>>333447482
Alex might be too technical for you, but you can still try.
Learn to use his buttons in the neutral game, they are really strong. Cr.mk and mk are super nice.
For his offense it would really help to understand framedata and setups. Many of his things leave his opponents guessing after he manages to start his shit.
Generally speaking I'd rather recommend someone like Birdie to a beginner, he's like a more defensive Alex. They have a lot in common, like their mks are pretty much the exact same button and their overheads are mega long which is nice for some bullying.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8nYBll9XJeOWkxlOXBOTElCXzA/view
Here are his AAs and bnbs.
Are you guys excited for April 30th?
>>333447818
Mika doesnt need a nerf, she needs an entire rework.
>>333443950
In Gustavo's case, Alex is simply a better fit for him if you ask me.
I think necalli might be better for Kazunoko, too.
why do I keep getting bodied by shotos as Bison
>>333438310
>"Mika is bad" they said
>people now get salty about her resets and irish whip shenanigans
>playing her is "not playing SFV"
Top kek.
>>333444229
Birdie main here. Ive had one birdie mirror match in Ranked... Feels good, man.
>>333445831
Oh so you are that retard that keept spereging about how Laura was just a clone Makoto
You know what?
Im gonna screencap you post, just so i can shitpost with it once someone start winning turrnies with Laura
>>333447983
Their game is SF4 and they dominated it for a long time, idk how that makes them fraudulent that just means they're good at SF4 and awful at SFV
>>333444229
i can't play him online, literally every ken/ryu masher just gets in my face all day and it's unplayable.
>>333448606
Just anti air.
>>333442046
>alex
>no combos
His v-trigger makes him able to do some long ass hitconfirms. Even without it a crush counter HK leads to an incredibly long and damaging combo in the corner. Everything he has is unsafe and/or can be neutral jumped on too.
Also funny how that image has birdie in it, since he's a much easier to play version of Alex imo.
>>333448547
Poongko was only good with a retarded character like Seth.
When they nerfd him he was done.
Thats the definition of a fraud.
>>333448606
The only match up that straight up wrecks me as birdie is Nash. Fuck that character. I have no idea how to deal with him.
>>333448790
>When they nerfd him he was done.
Except he placed extremely high in most tournaments proving the nerfs didn't mean shit. Hell, didn't he get 4th at CC?
>>333448830
nashxbirdie is like an 8/2 matchup, you just have to pray he has no fucking clue what he's doing and then repick to a side character.
Luckily, I also play bison to fuck that little bitch up.
what does this "setplay" word mean?
>>333445831
Remember that you are on /v/. She really isn't anything like Makoto.
>>333448830
You know who else is really good against Birdie?
Fang.
In fact, he's pretty much better than every character. He's at least two times stronger than the next strongest.
>>333448024
Thanks for the data and advice mane. I'll give Birdie a look. I remember liking Alex a lot in Tatsunoko so I figured I'd like to main him in SFV
>>333449145
>fang
>good
>>333448460
Fucking seriously.
I'll never let other people's opinions change my main, but I preferred when everyone thought Mika was garbage instead of a fraudulent vortex cheating character
>>333448126
>character of April
>not just character of May
late and unfinished as usual capcom
>>333448492
>RYU AFTER RYU AFTER RYU AFTER RYU
Not one Mirror for me yet bro
>People crying about Mika and setplay in general
>Fraud this, fraud that
>Muh honesty
>Muh fundamentals
I laugh every time.
>>333449019
Setplay refers to a series of preplanned actions you can choose once certain game conditions are met. This is a general sports term but in the context of fighting games it basically refers to vortexes, with the setplay beginning on a hard knockdown.
>>333443950
Cammy falls apart against anybody with a good reaction time that knows her options, chars like Nash/Ryu/Necalli/Karin don't
She really needs a standing overhead or something
>>333449019
It means exactly what it does in sports, anon. You're just setting a play. A pre-planned offensive maneuver for a specific situation. Vortex can be applied here, but too often people just call any instance of vortex a set play which isn't correct.
The best example is Laura's reset after EX fireball.
>>333449461
>>333449416
Noone likes mika because it's not fun. She gets 1 knockdown on you and that's it. Your game, your fun, now lies solely in the flip of a coin. No skill involved, it's now a 50/50 of whether you live or lose the match right then and there. And she has nothing else because everything else about her is garbage. She is quite literally "broken" in the sense that she is completely tipped towards getting a setplay and then winning it, no skill involved.
>>333442908
I wish that if people were gonna use that ugly, bleached, washed out Alex they'd beat Hard Survival and use the KSK color.
>>333449683
To be fair its usually 2 50/50's until you get stunned and even then you might get another chance if their stun combo isnt on point.
>mfw watching Floes stream with him playing Mika
He got so worked up and just kept winning by being retarded as fuck which made him even madder about this piece of shit character.
That character is absolute cancer and its no surprise that Blanka playing niggers here defend her.
>>333449416
>first fighting game I plan to get serious
>pick Mika since the betas
>cope with the fact she is low tier
>dream about taking my first tournament
>Marn and Native Impact happen
>everyone hates Mika
>if I dream about going to a tournament, I can only imagine people giving me shit for fraudulent wins, or people cheering against me and celebrating when I lose
>>333447983
Fchimp is literally the biggest fraud in the FGC though.
>>333449683
Yeah okay low tier god, you salty nigga.
>>333449896
yeah it's 2 coinflips and then that's it, you're dead. You either completely body her in footsies with 0 effort, or she gets a lucky hit in and then fucks you up completely with 0 effort. These are not healthy playstyles in any sort of game.
>>333449873
This is the best Alex color.
>>333449956
Because your wins would most likely be fraudulent.
>>333450036
It's certainly one of his better ones, but color 3 is the best. Put that boy in some blue jeans.
>>333449873
how's my Alex, senpai
>>333443708
>Dont get cornered
>Against a character who can throw you to the corner from literally anywhere on the screen
>>333449683
I think that about Ryu.
He shouldn't do the damage he does, have such good buttons and a metterless invincible reversal. Everytime I throw a fucking punch it feels like a 50/50.
Maybe it will get better when I leave bronze and people stop throwing random shoryukens, as it seems to be the case when I watch high ranked replays.
>>333449683
How much fun the opponent is having should never be a factor in a player's mind or in game balance. If Mika "has nothing else going for her" then shut her down and keep her from snowballing.
>>333450182
He looks like a madman.
>>333450131
No, I deserve the win. People shouldn't get hit by Mika. She has the worst buttons in the game.
In real life, it's it better to grapple or strike?
>>333450182
Hogan-esque. American/10. I like that alt.
But that story alt? Messy bangs, midriff, boxers. Wew, lads
>>333450483
>I deserve the win
>>333450529
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMOxECD5Yc8
>>333450483
>She has the worst buttons in the game.
She really doesnt.
Her buttons arent even worse than Birdie's or Necalli's.
>>333450529
As someone with literally no fighting experience, strikes seem better and easier to perform than grabs, but I imagine a german suplex onto concrete would probably hurt a whole lot more than a few rabbit punches.
>>333450362
Mika has just enough tools to setup, and then you have to suffer a bullshit death vortex.
If they remove her one way to get in, then she's complete garbage. But as long as she has it, she's cancer.
Mika is, objectively, a broken character, and needs revamping.
>>333443706
Surprised at no sudoku yet.
>>333450602
Keep crying instead of getting better, scrub.
>>333450362
>avatarfag is also a cancerous fraud crutching on an easy vortex character
wew
>>333450737
It will be so hilarious when they neuter Mika.
Even Infiltration spent that last Vlog with his buddies talking about how stupid Mika's design is. Pretty sure there's even a "Capcom wanted to take out vortex and mindless guessing" in there.
>>333450326
Learn to fucking mindgames retard.
The difference between a ryu doing a shoryu on wakeup and mike doing something that looks like a cross under but might not be in the corner is that if you block the shoryu then you're going to get 30-50% damage off a crush counter, so they're not going to just do it, and if they do just do it, you should have a read on them and be able to bait/block it the second time and then you win the match.
If you're getting srk'd every time, look at exactly when you got srk'd and when you get to that point in your unsafe pressure string that clearly isn't a blockstring, just do nothing, you lose nothing since you were already hitting a blocking opponent. If you walked forward into it, respect the spacing and use better pokes less predictably.
>>333450737
>mika player telling someone to get better
toppest of keks
I've been playing Cammy for a while but I just get fucking decimated. I'm only a low bronze so I shouldn't be getting destroyed so hard.
Is there a cheap-ass character I can just kill people with?
>>333444229
When I first got the game I didn't think I'd ever touch him, favorite character now
>>333450483
>She has the worst buttons in the game
Necalli called, he actually managed to pick up the phone with his T-rex limbs
>>333450975
Play literally anyone other than Cammy.
>>333450795
>>333450836
Has there ever been an instance in any SF game to date where they completely re-tool a character's playstyle from the ground up?
Not being facetious, I'm new to fighting games and that sounds completely insane. Revamping Mika from the ground up seems like more trouble than its worth.
Can someone enlighten me, how does Mika differ from other grapplers like zangief? Doesn't zangief have a 50/50 vortex when he knocks you down too? What is it about Mika that makes her more broken?
>>333450975
Sure. Cammy.
She can easily ruin bronze fuckers.
Learn her confirms into V-trigger and you will win most of the time.
>>333449416
All this Mika hate reminds of Vanilla Marvel 3 and all the Sentinel salt.
>>333450975
>Is there a cheap-ass character I can just kill people with
Cammy is already a good one. I'm guessing you're only getting decimated because you're using too many DPs because that's one of the only things you can really do that's unsafe with her. Just press your safe buttons and go ham with your safe cannon strikes and hooligan mixups.
Although if you play against someone good who can punish your mixups on their startup or jab you out of them then you have to actually git gud. In any case you can always pick up Mika if Cammy is too hard for you.
>>333451080
Yeah, despite what Infil said I don't imagine Mika really ever being retooled from the ground up.
The only time Capcom has done anything close was maybe Akuma in Ultra? But really all that happened was his buttons did more blockstun, his far normals pulled his hurtboxes back, cl forward forced standing, and far fierce was made cancelable. All that to balance him losing vortexes because of delay wakeup.
>>333451103
Gief actually has to work in this game now that you can poke him out his grabs
You will still get picked up if you thow out a limb a the wrong time but really it's not nearly as bad as in 4
also
>Gief
>knocks you down
LeL
>>333451103
>people still calling Mika a grappler
She's more like the Seth or SFIV Ibuki of the game. Having a command throw doesn't make you a grappler. Even Alex isn't a grappler.
What are the frames on Mikas cr.hp? She was the first character that I learned, but her playstyle was kind of hard against mashers.
I'm not very good at fighters though
>>333451080
Fighting game characters don't really get re-tooled like a champ does in League of Legends or something like that, they can't just add moves without a drastic change to the game like a new edition. They usually just tweak numbers or properties.
>>333451167
Difference was Sentinel had very big glaring weaknesses (largest hitbox in the game, was subject to 100% sentinel only combos) and he was more well rounded and wasn't a vortex character.
>tfw got my first ragequit as Alex against a Mika
I feel so proud
>>333451167
If I were to put Mika on mahvel terms,I'd say she is line Apologyman's team, Firebrand/Doom/Skrull. This team can 300%, but how many times did Apologyman won something? He still get fucked by characters with better neutral.
>>333451080
Not fully retooled, but characters lost and got more things in the past.
Like Seth once had more rubber limbs, and they took some away because shit was stupid.
I think they could change her by simply removing some of her guessing game nonsense while buffing her normals to compensate.
And maybe reduce her movespeed. No other grappler is this fast.
>>333451431
Alex is most definitely a grappler.
Are you going to want a Ban too like Bayonetta you fucking Smash baby.
>>333451431
What the fuck are you saing son?
Is Able not a grappler in your world too?
Explain to a total beginner shitter like me why Mika is OP and why I should play her.
Because I would really really love to play as an OP character and feel good for once instead of getting my balls rocked 24/7.
>>333451103
What separates Zangief and Mika is that Zangief gives up all of his pressure if he lands an air grab, jab SPD, or calls you out for holding up and hits you with a bunch of buttons. Mika has a vortex. Brimstone leaves you at her feet and she can do it again, or she can meaty you and all the combos leave her on top of you and very advantageous. If Zangief doesn't land EX or H spd, he can't dash up without being frame negative and SPD is a 5 frame move.
>>333451431
Why do people argue over when someone is or isn't a grappler like there's some kind of credibility for that comes with being obtuse. Mika is a grappler. The case can be made that Birdie is a grappler. It's like being that kid in high school that tries to answer questions before the teacher even asks them.
>>333451103
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh91fQ1Pik4
Look at what happens in the corner in these matches. Jeff does that up elbow launcher thing followed by the headbutt antiair and it looks like it's going to cross under but it doesn't because he wasn't holding forward. The only way to have any indication of which side you're going to be on when you land is to be the person playing the mika since there is no animation difference.
The flowchart for coming out of this alive is like
grab or meaty
jump to avoid grab or block to avoid meaty
if you guess wrong you take damage, if you guessed grab then you tried to jump and got hit by the meaty and got launched
now you've got to guess
left side meaty OR right side meaty OR grab
With most characters that have crazy bullshit like this, there is some way to make a read on what your opponent is going to do. If you're knocked down and your opponent is dashing into you, you have a second to look at what they're doing and figure out what they're going for and add that to what they've done the past few times. With mika, there is no way to read it since she doesn't have to move and she doesn't have to do any animation of any kind, it's pure guesswork.
>>333451103
Gief has such a hard time getting in.
He is slow, has a huge hitbox, shitty jump, no free entry shit like Nadeshiko or ex peach you can throw out willy nilly, no stupid corner carry and his pressure game isnt even that amazing unless he corners you, which is hard for him.
I mean come on, Zangiefs hardest matchup is Birdies Banana.
>>333451697
As someone who picked up SFV because of Mika waifu-faggotry, she has some surprisingly easy tech that does TONS of fucking damage.
Her main tool in all of this is her irish whip/passion press, which sets up pretty much all of her big huge damage combos.
>>333451697
Just learn her setups and then go ham.
Works 50% of the time.
She's not overpowered, just stupid in a way that she makes the whole game trivial.
Wins dont matter, losses dont matter.
>>333451908
>Skullgirls Quickmatch.webm
>>333438310
>>333442873
Disrespect your opponent, you should not give a fuck 70% of the time. Necalli is probably the easiest character besides mika to disrespect your opponent.
>less than 5% of top 500 players main Mika
Yeah totally killed the game balance
I'm very fucking sure that I played a guy who figured out an unblockable setup with Nadeshiko on wakeup.
>>333452241
Theres a few of them in corner. I think someone found some good ones out of corner though.
I dont get how to Bison. He's not a shoto, he's not a grappler, what is he? Rushdown?
>>333449683Pretty much this
>>333450362
>How much fun the opponent is having should never be a factor in a player's mind or in game balance
Quite sure he wasn't using "fun" as something to be balanced in the game, but Mika is truly broken though, her entire strategy is based on a flip of a coin and all she needs to do is get a knockdown or a counter, and that is easy to do.
>>333452235
Floe predicted that there will be at least one random irregular mika in every top 8 for all of 2016.
He was right so far.
>>333452401
You try to get them in corner and hope that they mash or block too long so you can do grab mixups. He has really heavy damage though and most of his combos have really plus frame traps.
>>333452401
Frametrap character.
>>333451908
>ken does a shoryuken on block
Why?
yall just haters 2bh
How do I alex? I know a few combos, but he seems more about tick throws and good buttons than anything else.
What are my need to know bnbs?
>>333452550
this, although he can definitely rushdown pretty hard with v-trigger.
>>333452748
Been discussed in the thread. Look it up.
>>333452748
big boot
more big boot
>nice, visible ass in 2016
why is this allowed?
>>333448261
>alex
You mean laura.
>>333452835
>mfw big boot into big boot into power bomb
maximum gorilla mode
>>333451898
Gief v banana feels like a 0-10 sometimes.
>>333450221
Don't get grabbed
![[Violent thumb pressing noise].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/f7pegMJ.jpg "[Violent thumb pressing noise].jpg")
>>333452241
There are a few
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssEMIjXY5yk&nohtml5=False
This isn't the latest tech but i have been hit with it at least three times
If you don't have a invincible DP or CA on deck you get fucked
>>333452748
He plays like Laura everywhere but approach. You need to know his frame data to really understand how you work with a 6 frame powerbomb and what is gonna convince people to block. It doesn't matter if you're only +2 if they are scared.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1976rt8B91PqVCeYJAmcnW1uwVJ0H03QJtV-dJC5ohL8/edit#gid=1295047050
>>333443950
The problem with Cammy is that one of the only ways to do break through the opponent's defense is by throwing. However, all her throw brings her back into neutral. She doesn't have the health to withstand neutral that often.
Dan fucking when
He's in Alex's story and giving summaries on the costumes in the shop
Put him in already
>>333452950
The joke is she doesn't need to grab you because passion isnt a fucking grab she gets a counter hit jab and boom your pressed and in the corner.
>>333452748
Alex is an all-around melee character that excels in footsies and big punishes. His command throw is just another one of his many tools but often you wont even use it online because of how jump-happy people tend to be. And all of your special moves can be neutral jumped on and punished hard. Counterhit MP -> MP -> v-trigger -> HP -> clothesline ->backdrop is a good combo that you should learn. Overall your goal is to harass with your buttons until they stop jumping and respect you and then you can work in your mixups and grapples. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XB1GW6Lk6yK176Nm8_l3cSxPowWxHfiRRh7qOess77E/edit#gid=217146919 here's a good spreadsheet that has all of your framedata, hitboxes, and even bnbs for you to learn. Just get ready to suffer against Chun and Nash like every other character in this game.
Going over the thread, it seems like Mika would be easily fixable by making Brimstone not drop your opponent so close to you, which stops the vortex.
Is that accurate, or is there something else I'm missing?
>>333453315
Nice resource, thanks a ton man
>>333453148
How does dan play? I never played iv, but I like his personality
>>333453361
that's pretty much what she needs, though the problem is that her everything else is very trash so they'd have to buff it to compensate or else she will just be a badZangief.
>>333451483
Anyone got the data?
>>333453493
Dan is close-combat rushdown shoto.
is the 1 million fight money trophy cumulative or do I need to have 1 million on me for it to pop. I'm at 330k and I don't wanna spend any until I know for sure
>>333453554
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XB1GW6Lk6yK176Nm8_l3cSxPowWxHfiRRh7qOess77E/edit#gid=217146919
>>333453554
i gotcha senpai
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1976rt8B91PqVCeYJAmcnW1uwVJ0H03QJtV-dJC5ohL8/htmlview?sle=true#
lee when?
>>333453361
Honestly she can keep her vortex just make clap -3 or -4.
>>333453493
Dan is just a really bad shoto. His fireball is only useful in very few matchups and he fights mostly with a couple close proximity normals and his L Dankyaku which is his version of a tatsu. His didn't whiff on crouching and the L version was even or super plus if you instant air it low enough.
>>333446694
street fighter is the original anime fighter
>>333445705
fang counters chun li I'll tell you that much
>>333453493
Dan isa purposefully undertuned shoto. He's awful and hopefully will never return.
>>333450790
Joke's on you.I don't even like Street Fighter, I just stick around for schadenfreude.
>>333454046
Was that the move where she sounded really bored and tired with her "chesto" I had a friend who played Koko a lot.
>>333448134
>Capcom reworks Mika
>She becomes bad
>"Haha, she sucked anyway stay mad"
It's a lose/lose if that happens. People will still be salty about her and still shit on her cause people would rather complain than adapt.
>>333454046
yeah, the suffering is the best part about fighting games for sure. I just don't like it when I'm the one suffering.
>>333454492
I mean, there is legitimacy to what people are complaining about, and I say this as a diehard Mikafag. I just personally don't see the big problem with guessing, especially since it should cease to be guessing after you've played through the first round you can get a read on your opponent.
Additionally, was Ibuki ever a major tournament winner during the SFIV days?
>>333451898
>I mean come on, Zangiefs hardest matchup is Birdies Banana.
Too true. Can you blame him, though? He comes from Russia, the man doesn't know shit about fruit.
>>333454743
>tfw I cant resist the ass but I dont want to play mika because of how fraudulent she is and how shes definitely getting either nerfed or reworked
Why did capcom have to make her such a stupid character?
>>333453686
>Necallis hurtbox on his s.HK
I wanna cry every time i see it.
>Laura's ass in that fucking story costume
dear lord I didn't wanna fap today
>>333450007
underrated post
You know a game is ass when Marn is good at it.
>>333454843
>I just personally don't see the big problem with guessing, especially since it should cease to be guessing after you've played through the first round
The problem with guessing is that it never ends after the first round, especially on a character like mika that has a ton of options. Even after the first round things don't get easier because anyone who puts a few hours into mika wont be dumb enough to reapeat the same thing for easy reads.
>>333444229
I'LL EAT SOMEFIN AFTA DIS!
>>333451039
Yeah same. I thought I was just gonna play Bison and then Alex when he came out.
Now it's just Birdie all day.
>>333448492
I've fought a total of 3 birdies online. No love for the big black bull?
>>333448606
Crouching MP
EX Bull Horn
and that half circle back + Kick chain grab when they are hadouken spamming mang.
