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>>333437420
your image is pretty accurate, but 4chan is not the place for it. 4chan is for shitposting.
As a Dota2 player I would place it lower than SCII.
Like come on man, that's some weak bait.
>people who play one ASSFAGGOT pretending like the other is somehow less skill based despite being functionally identical
Seems accurate.
e-sports are for retards, god damn
CSGO MUCH more popular than LoL
>ASSFAGGOTS
>Skill
Lol, please kill yourself.
>One MOBA taking fuck all skill and the other as much as fucking SC2
>>333437812
>being functionally identical
guess CSGO is just like quake huh
>>333437420
wheres melee
should be right around sc2 desu senpai
>>333438140
>Civ V
>Requiring skill
Haha, well meme'd my friend
>>333438140
people play Civ competitively? sure, and next you'll tell me they play Hearthstone as well
>>333438140
>civ v takes skill
>>333437949
You need the same if not more APM as Starcraft to play Dota 2 well. Just sayin'.
>>333437935
No it's not. It's played even less than Dota and LoL is objectively more popular than Dota, I'm saying this as a Dota player.
SCII also takes more skill than Dota but Dota has grown so much that the skill ceiling is definitely getting closr to it, with the rise of Invoker, Chen and NP, item timings and their windows become more important to winning games or simply knowing the complexities for drafting.
>>333438264
The logo was supposed to represent Civ in general, not Civ V specifically
>>333438283
I do. Me and my friends have weekend long matches and we place actual money on the games.
>>333438283
what anon, you don't?
http://www.esportsearnings.com/games/328-hearthstone-heroes-of-warcraft
as a supreme player on csgo, and only gold v on league, i believe league takes a lot more skill. theres more stuff you have to focus on. in csgo, it's just pure mechanics and whoever reacts faster or has better aim.
>you will never experience the hype that was fruitdealer winning gsl season 1 again
>>333438315
Sure is hard spamming that mouse click and spell button over and over with no effect. Sure is hard paying attention to your mini-map and one hero compared to an entire army / multiple bases / several units with multiple spells each.
>>333438534
The game is boiled down to last-hitting and the first 2 teamfights.
80% of games are decided at the 13 minute mark
Blue side has a 60% winrate because of camera and map - despite more similarities than Dota.
You need to grind for thousands of hours to unlock every hero, not to mention runes
The competitive scene is really dead and only serves to be a marketing tool.
>>333437618
This.
/r/gaming is the goto place for video game discussion.
>>333438419
>me and my friends put money on it
>competitive
ebin me and my friends play dic dac doe and place omney on it all weedgend long
>>333438674
>fruitdealer
>literal fucking nobody destroying the world's greatest with the underdog race
I was impressed
>>333438769
that's still more than csgo though
>DotA takes as much skill as SC2
lmao
>>333439010
You're right. It should be higher.
>>333438769
>competitive scene is dead
under what metric
>>333438895
>>333439090
under this metric
*unzips pants*
>>333438574
this guy knows it
>>333437420
GO is way above The Doat unless you prioritize memorizing every little bit of hero and item trivia over actually being good at something.
>it's another thread where /v/ thinks playing video games is degenerate and therefore must downplay the skill needed to play them at a high level
this is getting boring
>>333439090
1/3 of the roster is viable, at a time, you will see the same shit every game, even more so with a fixed laning meta of top mid double bottom and jungle.
All tournaments are sponsored by Riot, no third-party, go with them or don't play. Did we mention you have to go through Challenger series? aka Hoops?
No online/amateur tournaments
Korea > everything
>competitive game
>all pros get everything unlocked
>in ranked you have to buy champions
???
>>333438731
B-b-b-but I clicku the fast!
>SC2 and DOTA2 being same skill level
ASSFAGGOTS are literally dumbed down RTS.
>>333439245
both games are highly dependent on mechanical skill and prediction
:^)
This is accurate
>>333437420
Honestly I think DotA is easier than LoL even though it's a better game.
>Dota and LoL taking any skill at all
So if I would add in a Android smartphone game with as much depth as my hair (it has gotten very thin over the years), it would be on the top right?
>>333438315
You sure about that, bro? Top tier SC2 players average 600+ apm, that's basically 60 apm finger, which is about as much as you need for ASSFAGGOTS.
Also before you go "hurr durr" this is no extreme example, it's a regular two day old match from the SPL.
>>333437420
CS:GO is much more popular than DOTA 2 is at the very least, and just under LoL for popularity.
>>333439380
>No online/amateur tournaments
>all pros get everything unlocked
you could have had a strong argument without lying
>>333437618
Vounched. Like this is /v/, why is OP talking about video games?
Alright /v/ what's a competitive game that's fun but also has a high skill ceiling
>>333439690
everything stated in OP's image
>>333439245
Let's be real here, pros prioritize both to a great extent
sure SC needs more individual, mechanical skill but it also requires a very skilled player to coordinate 5 russian fucks through a mess of a game like dota
>>333439454
Rng bullet spread such skill LUL
Pistol rounds are balanced and interesting LUL
>>333439380
>1/3 of the roster is viable, at a time, you will see the same shit every game, even more so with a fixed laning meta of top mid double bottom and jungle.
how is this a metric for a dead competitive scene?
changes in how you approach Dust2 has been the same since basically the 2004
>>333439553
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/UKE8ezxj-lcs-unlocked-accounts
LCS Unlocked account, LCS is League's "pro circuit"
https://np.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4dcvv7/riot_shutting_down_prizing_for_online_tournaments/
No more online tournies where they received prizes.
>>333438769
>Blue side has a 60% winrate because of camera and map - despite more similarities than Dota.
This is what I love about Doto.
Icefraud is one of the best balance designers I've seen. He will nerf a hero by like 2 auto-attack damage, and it will be figured out that the hero was sleeper OP and only he knew it.
He knows 1 armor is too much for Doombringer.
The absolute madman has an asymmetrical map and they still managed to have a fucking 49.9/50.1% win-rate.
How does he do it?
>>333439553
Not that OP but all pros do actually get unlocked accounts, especially for profeshunul play
>>333439436
Ohh I getcha ;)
>>333439728
thisisbait.png
>>333439951
if you read the second thread you would see that amateur tournaments that aren't online still exist or maybe you just don't understand how what the / symbol signifies, which is understandable then.
>in ranked you have to buy champions
Also yeah you do get an unlocked account for the LCS, but that's not what ranked is.
>>333439951
>>333439380
Not only that but they fused what Dota would consider solo MMR and party MMR into the same fucking queue, easy rankings and boosting.
>>333439245
I bet you think Invoker is easy once you memorize his spell combinations.
>>333439994
He realizes that attempting perfect balance is futile and so just creates varied tools for the players to figure out a meta, counters and strategy themselves. I.e. everything is OP.
>>333439994
>tfw small changes to make old heroes viable are a thing of the past
fuck this hero rework they do now
>>333438264
>>333438283
>>333438296
>only plays singleplayer
>thinks he can talk
Okay buddy.
>>333438140
>he thinks Civ 5 is that popular
theres like at most 10 games being hosted at any one time. its a dead community where every one knows each other unless you only play priv with your friends.
>>333439454
Is the joke that cs:go used a hack to get there?
>>333439454
>downloading hacks requires skill
>>333440245
Carl the Invoker is my favorite next to Visage, bound form of Necro'lic.
>>333440245
Different anon here.
I main invoker and yes. He's definitely not among the hardest heroes to play.
>league thread
>filled with dota players
>dota thread
>filled with nobody
>>333440635
Funniest joke -of the century!-
>>333440468
I've won every multiplayer game I've played, and I hate that shitty game. Play chess or go if you want to take a strategy game seriously.
>>333439496
If you can stop spouting memes for a second you'll see that ASSFAGGOTS aren't particularly easy or anything.
>>333440580
>Dotards
>When talking about LoL
>"hurr playercount doesn't matter! our game is better and attracts less retards!"
>When talking about SC
>"lel ded gaem! more poeple play dota 2 so its obviously better!"
i never understood
if lol requires low skill why don't you become pro players or/and jewtubers to win dosh easlily?
>>333440635
>>333440797
Who are you quoting?
>>333439454
rev up those webms
>>333440890
you dotard
>>333440883
It says "current E-sport games", not "dead party games", Anon.
>>333438534
>supreme
>knowing anything about cs
>>333440813
http://www.dota2.com/leaderboards/#americas
ctrl+f /d2g/
LoL also requires hours to grind shit.
Dota you just play.
The real trick into getting about competitive in Dota is that it's a whole different environment where team coordination and compatibility come into play. Everyone's good, OP heroes are OP, but people can be better than that when a team is in sync and doing their job,
>>333440813
it doesn't matter how good I am if 4 other people suck
>>333441091
>OP heroes are OP
>everyone is good
I love this meme
if certain heroes are OP but everyone is "good", then that means certain heroes are good and everyone else is shit
>>333441198
I say everyone as in the players, pro players can overcome 'OP heroes' because there is undoubtedly a counterpick in Dota or strategy to play around them.
>>333441054
>Melee
>Party game
>Your favorite character might be brokenly bad even in casual play
no.
>>333441198
>reading comprehension
i love this meme
>>333440813
Just because a game is low-skill doesn't mean it is easy to win.
It just means that basically everyone around the top of the game will have the same odds of winning.
In a high skill game, the best teams/players have much higher odds of winning. This is why FPS and Fighting games have a few people who consistently dominate the scene for long periods of time.
>the lowest win rate hero in all of Dota in the lowest bracket
>spammed to 7k MMR and half a dozen smurfs by a god as mid/carry when he's seen as a support hero
Can't do this in League
Truely masterful bait.
>>333441293
>all pro players are good
no they aren't
>>333438140
shit nigger, civ is like the 3rd most played game on steam
>>333441449
>in high skill games, the best teams have a much higher odds of winning
>americans can win the internationals
>the much better koreans always win league worlds
uh huh
>>333439454
>>333441620
erf spirit?
>>333441620
elder titan?
>>333438140
whatever "competitive" aspect of civ you're talking about is NONEXISTENT in popularity on that chart
>>333441869
>us oldfags amirite
>I'm such a quake pro original player in 2014 on an anonymous imageboard
>I'd have sources to back the bullshit I'm spouting up but they conveniently don't exist any more!
>>333441869
>high skill
game I play
>no skill
game u play
thoughts?
>>333440813
because its a team game...
>>333442093
correct
>>333441449
>>333439380
so which is it?
A game is high skill because anyone can beat anyone or a game is high skill because a certain group/team/player (the Koreans) always wins?
>>333441620
yes you can
sona
Where does the best MOBA
[Smite]
Fit on that chart?
>>333442686
bottom left corner
>>333441063
>in the top 3% of players
>>333441869
This is like the most retarded screencap I've seen on /v/ in a week.
>>333442686
Right under the My Little Pony IOS game.
>>333442749
>top 3 percent of mm players
>counterstrike is now older than some of the people on this board
>some of these kids' first multiplayer game was league of legends
lol git gud anons
>>333440883
it's marked 'skill required' not 'autism required'
>>333437420
No one here can measure how much skill each of these games take. None of you can even play one of these games at top level. So shut up about which games take more skill because, most likely, you're bad at all of them anyways.
>>333443534
>le chess most skilled game I'm so sophisticated *tips* meme
>>333444920
i know the truth hurts
go back to your silver 1 games shitter
>>333439454
fixed
>>333437420
>>333438140
>>333438574
>>333439454
>>333440635
>>333440883
>>333443534
>>333445542
>CS:GO
>requiring skill when it's right now being dominated by FUCKING DIRTY BRS
what
>>333437420
Put melee top mid, senpai
Also move Dota down
>>333443534
Check and mate. :^)
>>333437420
But even if something is easy to get into, shouldn't people who pump 10 hours a day be able to beat the shit out of an average player in it?
>>333441386
>maining pichu
you really got everything you deserved desu
>>333437420
Did you forget to put down Warcraft 3?
>>333446975
WTF is that, stratego?
>>333439501
Those aren't averages, those are peaks during battles. The best players (world elite) average 250-300 over the entire game.
The same thing is true in dota, except APM drops even lower in lulls, especially for support players.
there's this faggot care so much about their shit.
>>333438398
and there's this silver faggot just play counter strike 2 days ago.
>>333437935
ok
>>333437420
fuck esports.
autism breeding grounds
>>333441869
> Hitscan makes it easier for people with bad ping
That's bullshit, you can hardly play GO with bad ping. I've had 100 ping to servers before and it's hell, you need <60 to stand a chance
> Making it so you need to stand still to shoot caters to casuals because it's hard to aim and move
No it isn't. Nobody with half a brain in the history of any game has ever seriously complained that it's hard to aim while you move. If anything, CS's system makes it harder.
> Powerup timing takes more skill than managing economy
Do I even have to explain why this is a retarded idea? Timing the powerups requires skill, yes, but it takes strategy to coordinate your economy well. The economy is 50% of what Counterstrike is.
> Round based gameplay is there to avoid casuals complaining about spawncamping
It's there to facilitate good gameplay. It means that you know basically exactly where the enemy is and know pretty much where and when they'll arrive, allowing you and your team to set up at the appropriate locations. It's about strategy; who do you send, and where? With what weapons?
> Bunnyhopping is good for games
See above point; Allowing bunnyhopping to exist fucks with timings and ruins the game.
> CS spits in the face of Quake players
CS isn't Quake. Quake clones used to be a dime a dozen, and they were fucking everywhere. Nobody cared about them. Then CS came out, and surprise, surprise, people cared because this all of sudden WASN'T a game 100% about ADD, clicking on heads, and nonstop insanity. Besides, claiming that you're a "Veteran Quake Player" in 2014 - and I bet he's still around and still saying CS is shit - is just plain sad. There's a reason Unreal is more popular for its engine than its game and that's because games where you simply jump around like a spastic and click on heads gets boring quick in today's world where we have a glut of choice.
I bet the whole "CS was made to shit on Quake" thing was total bullshit anyway
>>333437935
what
>>333438398
>current Invoker
>skill
Even after the MUCH NEEDED QWE nerf, nigga's way too OP right now
>Pick Invoker
>Win lane
>>333437420
Well it is truth if it's a skill summary of the whole team playing the game at the same time.
At last I truly see.
>>333454228
HURRRR Correlation is Causation HURRRRR
