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Literally the best pokemon game ever.
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Why does it make it the best? ive only played pokem black and x
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>>333434693
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I stopped after the gold one if I remember correctly, centuries ago.
I've been tempted to retry the series but there are so many pokemons now...

Recommend me some please!
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>>333434693
I agree
>tfw no other game will even come close to it in the series
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FRLG, Emerald, Platinum, HGSS, BW2, and ORAS are all better.

Really pretty much any Pokemon game that isn't outright outdated except XY.
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>>333434693
Your opinion is shit

B2W2 were the best
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>>333434914
GREEN IZ BEST
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>>333434693
>it's an "I don't know what /vp/ is for" episode
that or, let's be honest, you came here because /v/ eats up blantant shitposting
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>>333434914
>pokemon game before the physical/special split
>best pokemon game

Pick one and only one.
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Kill yourself

Good story does not excuse boring, overly linear world design and shitty pokemon selection
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Gen V was shit anon. Go back to /vp/.
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>>333434693
No. Truth > ideals
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Black 2 is better
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I agree.
BW2 and HGSS were also pretty great.
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>>333434693
isnt this Farm Audino to Level Version?
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B2/W2 were way superior
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>>333435237
>BW
>good story

You can't be serious.
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>worst region
>worst starters
>even more handholding than gen 4
>shitty friend characters
>only 156 Pokemon available before the elite four (almost as low as Diamond/Pearl's Pokedex, where people heavily criticized the Pokemon selection and they upgraded the Pokedex for Platinum)
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>>333435202
>Hyper beam slaking
>Hating fun
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While I agree, /vp/ is a better place to discuss this
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>>333434693
Are Black/White better than HG/SS and if so, how? The latest Pokemon I've played is HG and I liked it a lot.

I also just got a 3DS, are X/Y and OR/AS worth getting?
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>>333434967
>there are so many pokemons now...

That's like complaining about there being too many armors/weapons/etc in any other RPG.
You use the ones you like and disregard the others.
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>>333435342
I don't actually think B and W have a remotely good story, I just said it because it seems to be peoples' main praise for the game

Gold and Silver and even Red and Blue had better stories IMO; they felt like actual coming-of-age adventures rather than generic JRPG bullshit
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>>333435342
It is fairly common belief that BW1 actually has a "great story".

Of course though, anyone who tells you that it does can be dismissed as having shit-ass taste.
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>>333435394
What is Giga Impact?
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>>333435458
yeah
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Which ones, /v/?
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>>333435476
How long does it take to catch them all now?
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>>333435052
>Emerald, HGSS and ORAS are better than BW

nigga what the fuck
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>>333435583
Can't go wrong with either pair. They both offer plenty over the other.
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>>333435583
B2W2, HGSS is literal garbage for nostalgia retards that fixed literally none of the issues from the original games.
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>>333435642
They're all flawed, but still better games than BW1.
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>>333435385
>worst region
Yea, I say its as bad as Kalos.
>worst starters
Also agree.
>even more handholding than gen 4
Really? Aside from the beginning catching tutorial and when your forced into the center I cant remember anything else. The main problem I had with the pacing was how many times you were interuppted to fight someone.
>shitty friend characters
Better than X/Y atleast
>only 156 pokemon
Considering all of them were new I didnt have much of a problem with it. My main problem was the lack of variety of pokemon found early game. You are pretty much forced to get a monkey.
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>>333435458
BW/BW2 are easily the weakest entries in the series. Don't take any of these fedoras from /vp/ seriously. That's not to say they aren't worth playing through though.

If you like pokemon, XY/ORAS are definitely worth it.
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>>333435519
What is more satisfying? A lackluster shockwave or a gigantic fucking kamehameha?
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I fucking cannot stand the new 3d art style they have now. I bought a 3ds and pokemon Y, and I can't play it, I can only really blame it on the new art style they have.

Maybe I've just grown out of the genre? I don't even know anymore.
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>>333435813
An attack who greatly benefits from Slaking Attack stat?
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>>333435718
It fixed several areas in Kanto being stripped down from the original due to space limitations.

The rest of GSC's issues are still there, though.
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>>333435765
Gen 5 shits all over Gen 6 you fucking retard
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>>333434693
It had the best campaign. Other than that, BW2 beats it in every way.
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>>333435912
Maybe you're just a faggot
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>>333434693
You're correct, but this should still be on /vp/
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>>333435963
Well I am on /v/
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>>333435385
>>worst region
>>worst starters
Both of those honors go to Kaolos friendo.
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>>333435930
In gen 3 all normal type attacks were based on attack. I was talking about that dummy
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>>333435942
Sure buddy, sure. ;)
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>>333434914
Not HG/SS.
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>>333434693
>>333434914
>>333435583
NONE OF THESE ARE CRYSTAL SO THEY'RE SHIT

Also no nostalgia here I started at gen 3 played gen 4 after and still think Crystal is the GOAT.
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>>333435394
well in return we got hyper beam porygon-z for your full on wave motion cannon action

blasting a hole clean through a blissey with a special attack was god damn fun
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>>333435994
touché
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>>333434693
2 is better
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If SuMo is half as good as gen V, i'm going to bust gallons
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>>333436037
And it 4th gen onward, Giga Impact is literally the physical version of Hyper Beam.
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>>333435932
True, at least we got the Viridian Forest back.
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>>333436213
>Adaptability Normal Gem Porygon-Z uses Hyper Beam

If you don't think that's the tightest shit you can get out of my face.
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>>333435765
ORAS gets more shit than deserved, but XY is mediocre as fuck. If it weren't for all the communication aspects, and competitive being easier to legitimately get into than ever, both of which ORAS have anyways, they'd be completely unremarkable.

BW1's mediocre as fuck too though.
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Add a 2 to it and I'll agree.
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>>333436383
only thing better was hyper beam tauros in gen 1
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>>333434967
blac and white forces you to get accustomed with new ones. then play platinum
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1. Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon
2. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky
3. Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver
4. Pokemon Emerald
5. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Red/Blue Rescue Team
6. Pokemon Black 2/White 2
7. Pokemon Black/White
8. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity
9. Pokemon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire
10. Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness
11. Pokemon Platinum
12. Pokemon Colosseum
13. Pokemon Snap
14. Pokemon X/Y
15. Pokemon Firered/Leafgreen
Anything else has either been replaced by a superior version or isn't worth playing.

Honorable mention goes to the fangame Pokemon Reborn, something that is higher in quality than any actual mainline Pokemon game.
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>>333435583
left
gen4 had the problem of being very slow
hg/ss suffered from this
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>>333435583
All of them
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>>333436917
>1. Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon
>2. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky

Is SMD better story-wise?
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>>333436979
No, it's the worst PMD story. Probably the worst story of any popular 3DS game. Yes, even worse than Fire Emblem Fates, but people act like it's good anyways because it's a Pokemon game with heavy story.
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>>333436917
>No ranger games at all
Other then that Bretty Gud taste
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>>333434914
>best Pokemon in the game gets the best game
As it should be.
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>>333434693
Literally kill yourself.
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Did people keep caring about Pokemon after turning 12?
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how come there hasn't been any full 3D pokemon game on a console? would have helped with the low sales of the WiiU given that any pokemon game is a system seller
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Agreed BW and its sequels are the pinnacle of the series and if you think other wise you are retarded.

HGSS and PT are honorable mentions
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>>333437241
Out of curiosity, what do you hate about Gen V so much?
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>>333437241
You only got the Elder God and Shit tiers correct
That's better than everyone else in this threads' opinions though
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>>333436979
I haven't beaten Explorers yet, but from what I've played it has better pacing than Explorers at least, which I feel moves too quickly. The side stories make up for that in Explorers though, but I think Super's slowness is its advantage, because when the story picks up its easier to care about what's happening to everyone, whereas in Explorers its constantly moving, and sometimes has silly dumb things as a result, like time stopping in one area of the world and everyone moving on from that to regular duties like its almost nothing.
>>333437140
You're crazy.
>worst PMD story
>when Rescue Team exists, which is extremely simple in comparsion
>worst story of any popular 3DS game
Its story is better than Devil Survivor Overclock and better than Etrian Odyssey Untold at least. as those are the only other 3DS games I've played.
Its story isn't good just because of Pokemon + heavy story. Its story is good because it takes a good bit of time to focus on the characters, even at the expense of moving the story forward since that's all the game will be doing for the first 9 chapters.
>>333437164
Ranger games destroy touch screens
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>>333434693
AHAHAHAHA NO.GIF
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>Top Tier
Platinum, HGSS, BW2
>Good Tier
FRLG, Emerald, ORAS
>Mediocre Tier
BW1, XY
>Nostalgia Tier
RGBY, GSC
>Outdated Tier
RS, DP
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>>333437369
Incredibly boring, no decent Pokémon introduced,

Tried too hard with the ''''''story'''''', which should never be a focus in a pokémon main series game, because the story is always shit

Had SHIT sequels that were literally the exact same game claiming to be different games, rather than the usual game that at least admitted to being the exact same thing

Replaced contests, an interesting minigame, with the shitty musical thing they had going on

Shit region

The only thing about Gen V that is good is that it had the moving Pokémon.

Also, GTI was the worst thing ever, it soiled PMD's name and I hate it and I hate my life and I'm going to go kill myself, bye
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>>333437241
>no Super
Update this
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>>333437547
>Ranger destroys touch screens
How fucking hard do you press with your stylus?
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>>333437847
I haven't finished it yet, but it's pretty good so far. I'd probably put it in the very least 'High' tier.

Unfortunately, I'm a lazy piece of shit so I haven't played PSMD in months.
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HGSS>BW2>Platinum>XY>ORAS>BW>DP
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The holy trinity of godlike pokemon games atm is emerald, hg/ss, and b2/w2

Platinum and b/w trailing behind them
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>>333437759
>No decent Pokemon

You are fucking retarded and probably think Gen 3 is the best with a retarded opinion like that. Just because it had a story doesn't mean it was the center point
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Gen V had the best music
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>Gen 5
>good

Gen 5 was total garbage.
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>>333438193
It needed more TRUMPETS
DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT
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>>333438159
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Gen 5 and 3 were voted by /vp/ to be the best

Gen 1 and 6 voted the worst

These are 100% correct

Stay mad fags
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>>333438193
HGSS was the only Pokemon Game with good music. Gen 1-3 didn't have high enough quality for the composers' vision, Gen 5-6 music lacked impact, and DPPt music was entirely dissonant.
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>>333438278
Fuck off.
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>>333438193
I like you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnJwd9zrjiA
The music remixed for it were also awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlzoG6l8TiY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snSE1UKfp40
>>333438358
No
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>>333438358
Hoenn is saved by God tier melodies

Unova also has better ost than hg/ss
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>>333438278
Anon pls
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>>333438430
>Implying Gen I is high on my list
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>>333438358
Hello http://youtu.be/OKVrafnnu0Y
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>>333438535
I admit, Smugleaf is pretty good
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>>333438430
is it bad if unironically love all 4?

sure say electrode is fairly basic design but that god damn grin, that fucker is gonna go first, explode and be fucking glad about it
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>>333438278
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>>333438278
Wow, it's almost like every Gen introduced a fair share of shitty Pokemon.

Who would've guessed?
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>>333435253
not true btw.
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>>333437759
I also think the story in the Gen 5 games is shit and in BW1 particularly intrusive, but BW2're still my favorite games. There's tons of content, polish, the expansions to Unova make the game world huge without half of it being totally barren, tons of little details, there's a huge variety of Pokemon to choose from for main game whether you like Unova's new batch or not, it's just great to me.

I don't mind the reused assets, though.
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>>333438686
Meloetta a shit

>>333438702
The majority of Gen V's Pokémon are horrible
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>>333438818
What about Bisharp?
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>>333435642
whats wrong with HGSS?
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>>333438443
am I to much of a gen 1 fag if I think not a single remake or remix ever did justice to the actual good red/blue music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui6wp7VV9VU
yeh I'm aware this is a cleaned up version
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>>333438854
2Edgy
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>>333438818
Don't talk to me or my son ever again.

I really don't get the hate with Gen V, maybe because it's the 2nd mainline game I've actually sat down and played all the way through, with Blue being the 1st back in the day.
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>>333438891
Eh, I think they did good enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOy7cJowbQs
I do think Red/Blue/Yellow's seems to have more tension to it. I'm not sure why though.
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>>333438868
Kanto's balance suuuuccckkkssss. All the wilds are lvl 5-20's while all the gyms have lvl 45-60's
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>>333438193
does gen 3 include the 3D games? because they had pretty good music as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb2G_pawgLM
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>>333438443
Gen V's E4 is so fucking good
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>>333439070
I'd say its the full on chipsound making it sound very harsh and tense which is very fitting for an "epic encounter" theme
though to be fair the gym theme is probably the best music of gen 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toNSuhgBKN8&nohtml5=False
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>>333434885
>> ive only played pokem black and x

god I'm fucking old
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>>333439113
Colosseum and Gale have the best Pokemon soundtracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZW14zJdp4E

They need to get fucking Tsukasa Tawada on mainline music.
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>>333437759
>no decent Pokémon introduced
It has the most pokemon introduced in a gen, of course there would be some bad designs just like every other region. If you actually disliked every single one of them, well, there's no cure for shit taste.

>Tried too hard with the ''''''story'''''', which should never be a focus in a pokémon main series game, because the story is always shit

Holy fuck are you serious? You like eating up the same bland crap they always churn out? BW broke so many conventions with it's story and that's what made it interesting. It's not a very good story, but it was the best out of the mainline games and was a step in the right direction for the series.

>Had SHIT sequels that were literally the exact same game claiming to be different games, rather than the usual game that at least admitted to being the exact same thing

Confirmed for not playing BW2. Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum were pretty much rehashes, BW2 actually did more than that and set the region 2 years later. It was an actual sequel. Much more interesting than a rehash.

>Replaced contests, an interesting minigame, with the shitty musical thing they had going on
I'll give you that. Musicals weren't fun, yeah, but Pokestar studios wasn't bad.

>Shit region
Wew lad.

Blind Gen V haters never cease to disappoint with their terribly backed up opinions of the games.
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>>333439063
People got butthurt BW forced them to use the new mons and never gave them a fair chance.
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The only thing 5th gen brought to the table was reusable TMs
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>>333439096
I've never been one to just sit and grind on wild pokemon all day, and yet I've never had an issue with "level scaling" in Kanto.

CPUs are easy as fuck to beat anyway, so being underleveled shouldn't be that big of any issue.
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best champion theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whX6TVUDF-E&nohtml5=False
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>>333436979
SMD has the worst story but the best dungeon crawling
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>>333439578
2nd best battle theme of the franchise. First being Zinnia's.
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>>333439503
remind me was BW the gen where the only fire types available were the starter and fucking ponyta? or was that DP?
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>>333438278
Gee it's if each gen doesn't have a few bad designs in it at all!
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>>333438430
>Hey, mom! Look! I replied that again!
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>>333439635
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNcU0gNg1pM

such a good theme wasted on such a shit character
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKMWMS7O50g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq4fCcwTrWs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hSrrXJkHjQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy9VvdaLuSs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62ep8uK8nfQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX1zPuBG1Hc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo5IRUjNaEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EjXtQ0XwlI
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>>333434693
that's not BW2. Gen 5 was the best tho.
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>>333439685
DP
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>>333439445
The only structural change with Gen V is the league getting hijacked at the end of BW1, and the gym leaders getting more involved with the story, but the latter doesn't really impact much. Otherwise it's pretty much the same sort of shit as usual but forced in your face more, and not really handled all that well when the game tosses any moral ambiguity with Plasma out the window in your second encounter with them and never spends any time trying to build any back up.
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>>333437759
>no decent Pokémon introduced

wew lad
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>>333440039
ah kay, thanks
that was some real bullshit right there
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>>333436917
>Pokemon Reborn
holy fucking shit
I'm checking this out
Is it as good as it seems?
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>>333437241
>OR/AS god tier and not average tier
>Diamond/Pearl in High tier and not average/shit tier
>Crystal not in high teir
>FR/LG not in uber shit tier
>B2/W2 not in god tier
Literal garbage list, are you even trying?
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>>333439757
>>333438702
>>333439445
>>333440232

You win guys, there were some decent designs.

Like, at least 10.
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>>333435202
http://www.mediafire.com/download/eei8d5fi29e3qks/Pokemon+Emerald+DPP.gba

Now it's perfect
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It did have the ugliest and most worthless starter Pokemon out of all the generations. Only Samurott looked decent to me
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>BW2
>3 vs 3 match
>Two of three Pokemon died, only one left not on the field
>Forced to select two additional Pokemon
>Can't select just one
>Can't get out of the match
>Can't just lose because I can't get out of the menu
>Forced to reset the game and lose all progress
One of the more obnoxious bugs in the game, especially considering how slow saving is.
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>>333438430
You people best not be shitting on Garbodor and Electrode
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>>333440402
>Axe line bad.
>Litwick line good.

I know that pokemon designs are kind of subjective but c'mon...
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>>333440751
Axew itself isn't THAT bad, but the evolutions are horrible
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>>333440347
I think so
>Emerald overworld
>Black/White UI
>all existing Pokemon up through gen 6
>18 gym leaders with the game paced by leveling for that to work out with high level-ed gym leaders by the end
>smart AI and generally much harder opponents, with some emphasis on trying to teach the player Smogon-style strategies
>some new mechanics, such as battle location having an effect on the effectiveness of certain moves
>the remixxed music from the actual games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjRzcmer_nM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXN_Cd6vnGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gltUxnapwDE
Its a tad edgy at times, especially in the beginning, but after a bit you'll notice it has a sense of humor too so its not so bad in that sense.
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>>333440581
Anon you're supposed to select a Pokemon that was KO'd, say that's the one you'll switch, then select the one you want to replace it with. Then do the same with the other. That way they end up in the position you want.

It could've been done much better, but not a glitch.
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>>333440402
fucking furfags
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What are the best types and why are they Bug and Psychic?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqcbba07b5c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25T5U-Q_D2Y
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>>333440402
>Escadrill
>Scoliopede
>VOLCARONA
>Shit
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>>333440834
This is fucking awesome
What do you mean with emerald overworld?
The style?
Or map because that doesn't make sense
Why the fuck haven't I seen this before, I sometimes go to /vp/ but then again don't lurk long for obvious reasons
I'm checking the website and it looks cool as fuck
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>>333440402
>not liking Minccino, Sewaddle, or Golett lines

Oh well.
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>>333440402
>Whismicott
>Good
>Excadrill, Eelektross, Golurk, Braviary, Jellicent, etc.
>Shit

I never thought someone could have such shit tastes.

And I'll agree with OP, either BW or BW2 were probably the best but not my favorites with their mammoth amount of post-game content and GOAT ost.
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>>333441058
water all the way
especially love how brutal and offensive pokemon's water types can be
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>>333441437
Minccino is ok, admittedly I should have had an 'Ok' tier colour, but whatever
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>>333441336
okay I may want to reduce my excitement seeing it has an "edgy" story line or something
what is with that fucking forum by the way
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>>333440402
Anon, I think you need to reevaluate your life. Never have I seen taste more shit than yours.
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>>333434914
Most overrated gen by far
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>>333440834

I'm going to play the shit out of this, thks family.
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>>333440834
Tad edgy? The whole fucking game is black and in a doom and gloom setting. Every character including MC are goth.

ruined that game for me
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>>333436917
>>333440347
I thought Pokemon Reborn's entire story and designs were supposed to be "kewl Deviantart OC" incarnate
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>>333443441
That is definitely gen 2

Especially on /vp/
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>>333441336
I mean the overworld has the same style has Emerald's, yes. Some of the same assets.
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>>333444428
Holy shit, this
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>>333444152

Well, on the bright side, it's a different experience instead of a full-on retard mode clone.
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>>333444428
100% true. There's nothing that great about HGSS and I usually never hear anything good about it from the fans that gush over it.
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>>333445085
There's nothing about it that trumps it over the previous game, Pokemon Platinum, which is also a very good game.

Yeah you get 8 more gyms to challenge but what else? The Battle Frontier that I could challenge in Platinum?
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>>333434693
Black > White. Techno dragon city beats rustic old town any day.

I share the sentiment about Gen 5 being the best though.

BW really felt like an attempt by GF to give a rebirth to Pokemon. Although a lot of the 'mons were derivative, they were mostly well designed (with the exceptions of a few cherry-picked ones). It still astounds me how they broke the mold by hi-jacking the champion boss battle and diverting it into a REAL boss battle.

That being said, post-game is shit, BW2 blows it outta the fucking water.

People always point out how you could fight Gen 1 gym leaders in Gen 2, but ignore the fact that you could fight EVERY gym leader AND champion from every region before it.

Gen 6 best waifus tho.
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>>333445523
>Gen 6 best waifus tho.

Nah, nigga.
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>Dat gameplay
>Dat story
>Dose feels
>Dat bromance
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>>333440402
>shitting on Sandile
>shitting on AMERICA
>shitting on duck type
>shitting on Joltik
>liking candles
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>>333447905
>mfw pokemon super mystery dungeon lived up to this amazing game

in my opinion
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>>333448642
SPMD wasn't bad, but it wasn't perfect either.

Whose idea was it to having your Pokemon take breaks no matter what level you are?
And having to ride Lapras a million times kinda sucked.
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>waifu May when I was a kid
>bought a 2DS
>pirated Omega Ruby
>mfw how obvious it was May wanted my dick
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>>333449337
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>>333450168
ORAS did a great job with making all the characters from the original RS more likable. Even the Aqua/Magma guys.

Shame about Zinnia.
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>>333450280
>zinnia

who?
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>>333434693
That cover is missing a 2 though.
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>>333449337
Friends don't get the D.
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>>333444282
The story and characters are dogshit and should be not taken seriously at all but they nailed the challenge.
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Black and White were the easiest Pokemon games.
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>>333448824
Not him, but Sky's not perfect, either.

>IQ group E
>time-related plot hole ending
>everyone's fine with the flow of time being convoluted until the bad thing happens
>limited storage (remedied slightly by Spinda's Café)
>recruitment (if you want percentages, fine, but not fucking negative ones)
>final boss can be paralyzed and rendered unable to attack
Just some of my problems with it. I liked it, but I liked Super more.
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>>333452050
That's not ORAS
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>>333435253
Reality is relative.

There is no truth, only ideals.
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>>333441058

>no shuckle

how could you leave out the best bug type in the game?
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>>333450168
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>>333451879
Yes they do.
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>>333440402
What an absolute fag
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>>333435237
>shitty pokemon selection

Fuck off, most of the pokemon are good and are worth using. You're thinking of HeartGold/SoulSilver. Trash selection of pokemon with garbage moves.

Pokemon fans have the biggest nostalgia goggles around.
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