Why do people call this the worst Mario and Luigi game?
>>333410728
Fuck if I know. That's my favorite one.
It was until the 3DS ones released.
>>333410728
It wasn't bad but the other ones in the series played better
>>333410728
Its not anymore though even when it was considered the worst, it was still pretty good.
Yeah, I dunno. I liked it, and I recall it having one of the more challenging final boss(es). That said, I haven't played it in over a decade. Holy shit I'm old.
>>333410728
The bosses all had ridiculously high hp. The las boss took like an hour to beat. It was even a difficult fight, it was just really tedious
I think it's just as great as the first one
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zU0dRCY.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
reminder that Nintendo embraced memes from the very start
it's not bad,it's just that the other ones are better. getting rid of BP hurt it a lot too
>>333410728
because if you missed the unlimited item badge you got to enjoy a 4 hour boss fight.
>>333410728
That's not Dream Team.
Idk what fucking mong thinks this is the worst M&L game, probably the ones that didn't play DT and PJ because those are the absolute garbage ones.
Like PiT isn't great but it's far better than the successors, it at least feels like there's effort put into it and some care; some things just didn't work and some did, it's no SuperStar Saga but it's good.
Like I want to know the thought process behind people who actually dislike PiT more than PJ and DT
>>333411730
They use Jap internet slang in the OG version so it's alright.
>>333411954
While PJ has the worst story and setting it's game play is tight as fuck and all the boss fights are great.
Second ____ in a series tend to be overlooked because they can't follow the first neither do they have other ____ to be compared to.
>>333410728
No exploration.
Don't even have to return to previous areas with later abilities except for a few beans at the very beginning.
No minigames.
No optional anything.
Shortest in the series.
Insanely easy enemy attack patterns (SSS suffered from this too).
Impossible to get a game over due to the babies giving you a free turn.
Bros items are so plentiful and OP you can spam them and breeze through every fight, bosses included.
Fucked-up bosses HP in the US version that only serves to make battles longer but not harder.
Worst soundtrack.
All humor is Luigi and Baby Luigi physical comedy, no funny verbal jokes.
I expected at some point to explore modern mushroom kingdom but the game didnt go there
The babies didnt really add any wrinkles to the battles, just more action commands
>>333411730
See, that's appropriate because of what >>333411973 said. It's true to original script.
The memes people are mad about are ones thrown in for no reason.
>>333412121
The boss fights are tedious and long and not fun.
DT introduced a good challenge to the game but PJ decided the right way to go about that challenge was bosses with hour long sequences of attacks. That's not tight gameplay, it's tedious filler.
That being said bosses would be good if not that. Also the levels were extremely boring to traverse and fuck you story is important in rpgs.
Also you like toads don't you squidward.
>>333411954
Only shitheads think Dream Team was actually any good.
>>333413253
I'm so bad at dream dodging.
Is it worth finishing Dream Team?
I got up to pic related and just gave up
>>333414102
>escaped once
Coward.
I've only played the first three and between those, it is, but its still great
>>333414281
I think I ended up in a battle I just couldn't win no matter how many times I retried.
>>333410728
I thought it was hard as shit
>tfw got really excited with dream team when i started it
>dem sprites, music, witty dialogue
>then the 2d platformer segements started
>then realizing that's most of the game
>>333414204
Giant Boss battles with gyro controls.
>>333410728
It's not the worst.
It's just the least best.
>>333414646
thats most of BIS actuallllllllly
>>333414868
fug i havent played that one yet
now i have nothing left
>>333414939
Not to mention 2D segments in BIS are more basic and worse than the ones in DT.
It's an unfocused mess. Why did they combine an alien invasion with time travel?
>>333410728
Being the worst in a series of good games doesn't take much merit from it, you sensitive fuck.
>>333414646
literally do the same thing over and over with no variation: the game
no puzzles, the bros moves sucked and the 2d segments were garbage
how does nintendo consistently make shit design choices and REPEATING THEM AD NAUSEUM and learn fucking nothing
it baffles me
>>333414939
BIS overworld is the worst. It's bland, built around mostly bowser and there isn't much to it. you also spend the majority of the game in 2D sections while playing as the bros.
>Special attacks are consumables
What is this, sticker star?
>>333415042
>take generic plotline
>take another generic plotline
>mesh them together, maybe they'll cancel each other out and become interesting
I liked it for all the Yoshi's Island references it led to, but not being able to explore the present and do stuff in one time period to influence the other was the apex of wasted potential.
>>333410728
DT>SSS>PJ>BIS>PIT
>>333415365
I find myself agreeing 100% with this. I'll have to use an idiom I've seen many times in these situations...
My nigga.
>>333415365
perfect
>>333415365
do you try to be retarded or does it just come naturally
>>333415185
>bros moves sucked
>>333415042
>cool concept + cool concept
Hmmm I wonder.
>>333415196
On the plus side, playing as Bowser is a lot more empowering than playing as Mario and Dreamy Luigi.
>>333411609
Git Gud
I completed the whole game underleveled (around lv19 i think?)
The American version wich has the Higher HP enemies
>>333415601
Neither of them are executed well though. Aside from the BAYBEES the time travel part basically doesn't matter and the Shroobs are just about the least interesting villians ever made.
>>333412934
>assuming you're good enough to not let any of your bros go down, most bosses die in 3 or 4 trio attacks plus the other bro attacks you should be piling on in between
get better at dodging
>>333415746
wow git gud the game isn't even that hard
>>333415620
i never liked playing as bowser. his specials sucked and his combat wasn't as good as the bros. i liked the dream world combat because of the only controlling one bro concept and the attack patterns were different. also the luiginary attacks are fantastic
>>333415936
I know
Why do people keep saying it is?
>>333415542
sorry for not liking BIS as much as the others.
>>333415185
How about the never-ending tutorial.
I gave up about 2/3s through.
>>333416016
They played it when they were kids. Only SSS is easier and even then just because you can break SSS all ways to next week.
>>333411973
Is it? The only info I can find on the Jap version is that the Hammer Bros. speak entirely in katakana.
>>333416285
Them final dungeon tutorials.
>>333414736
Yep, this is what killed Dream Team for me. It had a lot going against it, but gyroscope boss fights? It's the only Mario & Luigi RPG I'm never going to replay.
So why does everyone ignore the fact that SSS had a lot of tutorials AND entire tutorial sections like the goblets and the pearls?
>>333416769
When you overtilt and lose control and then all you can do is lose and start over.
At least the only penalty for failing the final star driver is another round of combat.
>>333410728
I haven't played any of the games after it so I can't say for sure, but PiT is an abysmal pile of garbage in nearly every way. It's not just bad "for a Mario game", it's simply terrible. The gameplay is slow, boring, and repetitive; there is no challenge at all, just tedium; the level design sucks; the soundtrack is very limited and the tracks are all really annoying; the game's constant attempts at humour always fall flat, making it incredibly annoying; the story is retarded; there's no optional stuff or exploration or anything like that; there's just nothing good about the game at all.
If the later games are worse, I can't even imagine how bad they are.
>>333416528
Dang man, clean the dust off the lower screen before it gets stuck in the sides.
>>333416769
the only one where the gyroscope was bad was the zeekeeper.
>>333415365
>dream team at the top
wow why
>>333417008
i wasn't bothered by the tutorials and i really enjoyed the gameplay, overworld and writing.
>>333415365
You have Shit opinons
>>333416809
Because they played it when they were young so it's OK.
Granted DT takes the tutorials to the point where the game is giving you them during the final dungeon. That they're still unskippable after so many games is especially obnoxious considering the hard mode you unlock only after beating the game.
M&L games > Starlow M&L games
All are still good though, but fuck Starlow seriously.
>>333417284
How bad are the other games you're playing that you enjoyed DT's writing?
>>333417008
Not that anon, but for me:
>best or second best overworld (with SSS)
>best OST
>best battle systems
>imaginative enemy patterns, especially in the Dream World
>made 2D segments more interesting
>introduction of expert challenges
>tons of side stuff
>brought back many previous characters
>collection quest was not the whole game (a la PiT) nor insanely half-assed (a la BIS), but more akin to SSS
>felt long and epic
>giant battles were really climatic and varied
Never had an issue with gyro controls, you just need to hold the 3DS exactly like the picture shows instead of perfectly horizontally or vertically. No issues with tutorials either, I don't get triggered by mashing the A button for a few seconds every so often.
>>333417542
whats wrong with dream teams writing. if this is abot treehouse then i wouldn't know since i live in europe.
>>333415365I didn't play PJ yet but I have the same opinion. I don't understand why /v/ likes BIS so much
>>333415365
PIT>SSS>DT>BIS>PJ
Fight me
>>333417389
It's just weird to me that this fanbase hasn't gotten used to tutorials by now
>>333417008
It was my first M&L game
>>333415365
>>333417857
>>333417894
>people finally putting Bowser's Inside Story near the botom
Good, Bowser is the only good part of that game, the bros are so fucking boring the play as, and Fawful has such horrible dialog.
>>333417857
They like playing as Bowser (despite the fact he makes the game a cakewalk) and the final boss/final boss theme. I never see anyone mention the game having the shittiest overworld ever put to screen(s), boring 2D segments, the same minigames to power Bowser up over and over and over, the lack of plot for the first half of the game only to suddenly turn into a lazier rehash of SSS from then on and a pacing so uneven Bowser ends up having three non-giant boss battles before the final boss, with one being Midbus five hours in and the next one being Midbus again at the end of the game fifteen hours later.
Oops, guess it's time to shit on DT's tutorials again.
>>333410728
I don't know, I just replayed it and my only issues is the hub-esque castle with no exploration in the present and Bros Items being abuseable. That Ulti-free Badge really breaks the game. I'm in the middle of a Bowser's Inside Story playthrough now since it seems to be the fan favorite outside of SSS on here (also since I couldn't remember much about it) and thought PiT was all nostalgia for me. I gotta say BIS is still good but I don't see why people prefer it beyond Bowser being bad ass & Fawful returning. The areas aren't exactly interesting and the mini-games are fucking obnoxious, PiT only had like 2 and they were mostly short.
>>333417894
This
>>333419107
>thinking dream team is unfairly scrutinized compared to bowser's inside story
it's like favoring one shitpile over another
>>333419870
It absolutely is.
>>333417857Lust for bara turtle
though it is strange. I find BIS to be my very favorite even though it might as well be the most average of the games.
>>333410728
>GOO GOO!
>LETS GO!
>>333418582
>Fawful has such horrible dialog
What?
>>333421463
he's literally a LOL XDD SO RANDUMB character. I've always hated Fawful.
>>333421561
He's a psycho hellbent on killing the bros for what they did to Cackletta.
He had to have a distinguishable personality.
>>333421725
>no Popple's theme in Dream Team
Fuck everything
