Superman games have almost universally been average at best and god fucking awful at worse.
What would have to be done in order to make a good Superman game?
>>333406838
First you have to make Superman interesting.
>>333406917
First post best post
>>333406917
So the Superman from Superman: The Animated Series?
>>333407239
No. He said interesting.
>>333406838
Set it on Apokolips so you can make Superman Ultimate Destruction
>>333406838
Easy, you take the Snyder approach
>>333406917
>I don't know jack shit about Superman.
Go read some comics, you lil ho. And I mean more than a single story arc. Your favorite Superhero is probably Batman because of "preptime xD"
>>333407547
Actually I don't know jack shit about DC, not just Superman. My favorite superhero is Moon Knight and I've mainly read Marvel and Image shit; think I've picked up maybe 3 DC trades in my entire life.
>>333407846
>I don't even read DC yet I want to shittalk it
for what purpose
>>333406838
Set it in Metropolis but it is under either Darkseid or Brainiac occupation.
Also make the combat a hybrid of DBZ and Arkham styles.
>>333407846
don't let that faggot convince you, superman is boring as fuck, hell, what is worse than old superman? easy, new 52 superman, that is why they're bringing the pre reboot superman back, I am not shitting you
Just set it in the Man of steel universe. That way it would be an openworld murder sim.
>>333407914
To generate discussion.
To be fair to myself, I don't dislike DC or prefer Marvel or whatever. It's just what I've picked up/read in the last few years. I enjoy comic continuity and the stories that can be told, but I'm not a fan of the comic as a medium.
>>333408115
couple it with comic book wonder woman and you get a total war on necks
>>333407914
>Implying he needs to hard read comics to grasp superman personality and defining traits besides his powers
Are you serious?
OK, get this. You're Superman and you have to fly through rings every other level.
>>333408641
I am implying that if he wants to talk about Superman he should probably know some shit about Superman.
You're invincible. No health bars, no stamina, worst that can happen is that you're knocked through a building or the ground, slowing you down and causing damage. The game is one huge mission mode in a Metropolis hub world, things may slightly change for each mission. Think vice city × air ride's city trial × a mario 64/sunshine level.
Your job is to stop a threat or fix a problem, usually many at once, with as little damage and as few people getting hurt as possible. Aliens, mutants, luthor, natural disasrers, terrorists, muggings, cat stuck in a tree, stop a train crash, someone about to kill themself, dog drowning, meteriors raining down, some guy needing a hug, his entire rogue gallery, word silver age disasters. It's your job to fix all if this as fast and carefully as possible. It should be light and heroic in tone, feel like All-Star Superman/Donner's films at heart, and look like Alex Ross' work in 3D
>>333407930
Do this, give superman some sort of magic curse or kryptonite poisoning so you have to upgrade your skills so there's an explanation on why superman has to hit things more than once to kill shit.
Make him a villain.
http://equityarcade.com/2016/03/26/why-batman-needs-to-beat-the-tar-out-of-superman/
>>333408769
>>333409038
You just described Superman Returns.
It was shit. I paid 60 bucks for it.
>>333406917
So adapt Birthright?
Done
What's the next part of your master plan?
>>333409260
>not ASS
>>333409145
Nope.
>>333409038
>>333409083
What if your health and your powers are tied together?
Call it a Solar Energy meter or something. The more meter you have, the more abilities you can use and the stronger your attacks are.
Gives the player incentive to avoid really huge hits.
>>333409367
>Wasting your load on the first shot
All Star would be the sequel, anon.
The game that improves upon everything a Birthright would establish.
>>333406838
Start him at the original ``faster than a speeding bullet, stronger than a locomotive `` power level.
As time goes on he grows in power to somwhere around the modern power level.
>>333406838
Adapt his best comicEven though Captain Marvel was the real hero
Make a game based on the Fleischer cartoons
>>333409470
I guess you're right anon
>>333409593
Did they make more than one? Whenever I saw it on it was the same story as the first movie.
>>333409697
16 episodes,but the first 8 were made by Fleischer. The final 8 by Famous.
>>333409535
>that reflection in the table
>>333409535
The art in that comic was absolutely gorgeous
>>333406838
Simple
1. good flying - think of ace combat X armored core in human form
2. outstanding destruction models
3. collecting minigames which translate into saving people from destruction - you're basically angel of peace in ultra GTA setting
4. legitimate threat
5. make the city open world, but with carefully designed setpieces that trigger on approach, avoid sandbox like the plague.
>>333408013
No they're not. Seriously, you are dumb as fuck.
Final hidden boss fight is between Saitama and Superman.
Make it end in KO and Saitama wants to fight again or some shit.
>>333406838
I once had a big fat epic concept I thought would work, but budget wise two anons opened my eyes to much simpler early approaches.
Either you do a game where Superman is in a magic setting and while still powerful he is now vulnerable and go wherever you want with that OR you make it Wolf Among Us 2.0. and focus on Clark's journalist side with him using his Kryptonian powers primarily to investigate things the detectives and cops can't and here and there get directly involved in dealing with a burning building using super or arctic breath or the whole vacuum spin or whatever the hell.
You circumvent a lot of issues in either case, for example in the second case instead of having to save a whole city constantly the game has a central plot focus with newspapers in Clark's apartment detailing how he or the JL rescued everyone from whatever behind scenes. Similarly in the other one since he's no longer on Earth he only needs to be as involved as the magic bullshit keeping him there is, no burning buildings or saving babies or whatever just actioncomicsand adventure in either case with a few theme appropriate cameos.
A very neat and orderly direction. Sales from those two could then be used for something with a bigger scope.
>>333409949
Alex Ross is one of my favorite artists. I have few comics, but Kingdom Come is one of them. It's damn good.
>>333408641
You millenials think you can critique anything because you Google it. That's why your generation is dumb and spoiled. Never had to read the damn book, just the cliff notes.
>>333409145
That game has a few of those elements, but did them poorly. It did some things right but it lacked depth, it lacked veriety, it lacked polish, it lacked good pacing, the hub world was empty, had nothing to do in it, everyone was lifeless there weren't any little jobs to do, powers could have been implemented far better, controls were iffy, and it was too muted and muddy looking. That rushed shovelware game is like 20% of what a Superman game should be.
>>333409418
No, that's cheap. Your sole concern should be your city and its citizens, not yourself. Maybe if you're exposed to kryptonite.
>>333408151
fair enough
Superman is fucking invincible. How can you go from there? You can't have fight regular enemies/thugs like in batman arkham series. You can't have fix a broken bridge, what fun is there to that? It's impossible to have him feature in a game
The key to making an open world Superman game fun is to make the world actually alive.
There shouldn't be missions or mission markers. Events should just happen as you fly around. Not only that, but have the citizens respond to your actions,and Superman responding back. This interaction would give people "hope" and inspire them to improve their areas.
One thing I love about Superman in various media is when he talks to an average guy, addresses them by name and just generally acknowledges them as individuals.
I have no idea how this would work in a vidya. Infamous 1 sort of did this with encounters. There would be random crime and gang fights occurring in the middle of nowhere. People would throw trash at them and cheer for you (or throw trash at you and fear you). It was a nice little detail that I think could work if someone really dug into it and fleshed it out.
>>333409535
> tfw you've never read Kingdom Come
Why are comics the one thing that people instantly think they're an expert on without ever touching a comic at all?
>>333409949
Check out Marvels, which also has art by him (though the story isn't as good)
There was another comic called Justice, which he did the painting for (another artist called Doug Braithwaite did the pencils, but it's still fantastically detailed)
>>333406838
Supes is secretly injected with a fabricated kryptonite(not real kryptonite) by the main enemy in the game to kill him but it fails and it just makes him vulnerable , this way he's not invicinble, sorta like hulk ultimate destruction and how hulk got an excuse to stay green for the whole game.
Supes issue is that he's too op and his only weakness is kryptonite, magic/nth and lack of our type of sun, you can't have an entire city coated in nth or magic and you can't block out the sun because then everyone on earth dies so use the good old fashioned kryptonite but put a dumb comic book excuse so he still powerful but not to the point that it makes the get boring because God mode is on default.
the rest is history, Supes gets stronger as you play through the game this means leveling up and acquiring his trademark powers again the more you progress like bats in all 3 Arkham games, open world, tons of known villains, destructible environments good air combat, good flight mechanics, side activities like stopping a plane from crashing, stop meteors from crashing, stopping a train from crashing, saving people from burning buildings or nuclear reactors about to blow, low level thugs, using your powers to fix problems, like ice breath to put out fire, laser to melt metal, super gearing to find out trouble, etc.
>>333410549
I assume you're implying I've never read Kingdom Come.
I also assume you're implying Captain Marvel wasn't the true hero of the storyDespite the fact he sacrificed himself by detonating the nuke at a high enough altitude as to not kill everyone in the final battle
These are all assumptions of course.
>>333410556
The same could be said about almost everything.
>>333410515
Superman's challenges aren't fights, they're descions and thinking your way out of intense threats. Name one superman story where simply punching the guy solved the conflict?
>>333410804
I'm a little drunk so pardon my fuck up in phrasing.
I mean't that I've never read Kingdom Come and that face was of people when I say I've never read it.
>>333410804
>I Googled the comic so I understand the emotional impact of the story
If your idea of a good Superman game is to depower Superman, then your idea is trash. Get a new one.
>>333410845
Death of Superman. Superman just wailed on Doomsday until they both died
>>333411163
then they both come back
>>333410923
>I mean't that I've never read Kingdom Come and that face was of people when I say I've never read it.
Not sure why, it's a lot of pomp and circumstance really. There's also the heavy handed subtext of looking down on Extreme 90s anti-heroes. Admittedly deserving, but it sort of tainted things the way What's So Funny etc etc did since some points are less a story and more a mumbled lecture.
>>333410845
>you come home from a long day of super hero work
>open door
>see Darkseid sitting on your pa Kent's recliner
wat do?
>>333409982
More or less this.
The controls need to be really tight.
>>333411102
then we'll never get a good superman game.
>>333411102
If your idea of a good Superman game is to make a Superman game, then your idea is trash. Get a new one.
>>333409038
Maybe have a time system in place. Events will come and go. The player will find out they can't help everyone. Some events can have an affect on the bigger story.
For the anons that are genuinely curious about Superman
You can't it's impossible.
The beat-em-up was decent though.
>>333411423
That's because you're dumb. Saints Row 4 was good and had you playing as an overpowered beast. Same thing for Hulk Ultimate Destruction.
>>333411163
Did punching doomsday bring him back from the dead? Oh wait, did you read the death of superman? You probably think that's the end of a story, but it isn't. See that was the beginning of an arc, not the culmination of one. Retard. Damn you need to READ this stuff if you want your opinion on the subject to have weight. Or better yet, just don't comment at all because you clearly know fuck all about this. Would you go into a mechanic shop and start talking cars if you don't even know how to drive?
>>333411328
Logically Supes would ask Darkseid to step outside for a talk, and possible fight, since that house and chair are all he really has before and outside the Kryptonian stuff so he wouldn't want to destroy it in a punch and beam out.
Modern Supes is just going to go apeshit in his own parents' pad because it's been 3 minutes without action and the writing's afraid the audience is bored.
>>333411580
How to contradict yourself in less than a paragraph: the post
>>333406838
Every single thread I say the same thing. Just make a Golden Age Superman game.
You can break shit and mess with people like a standard open-word game because Golden Age Superman is a trolling misfit who dicks around in the name of the greater good. You can have a baller big band/swing soundtrack, individual "episode" story missions based on old one-shot comic storylines and episodes from the tv show. You're not invincible, you're just really strong and durable and can jump over shit instead of flying. Imagine running around a 1940's Metropolis to Sing Sing Sing and beating up Japanese stereotypes flying robots. It would be awesome.
>>333409535
While I could look it up myself I'd rather hear it from you anons: what is the Anti-Life Equation and why should I give a shit?
>>333410181
>Implying superman is a character with enough depth to actually require in depth knowledge besides what the mainstream media shows related to what comic book lore can actually show
>Trying to sound high and mighty when talking about age when I was alive when you weren't even born
>Misusing the term millennials
Not only you are wrong but also retarded, nice
>>333411584
you didn't start super op, so Supes needs to be depowered for it to work. like sr4, Crackdown, prototype, Arkham, infamous, hulk ultimate destruction etc
>>333411647
>S: Darkseid! What are you doing here?
>D: I am many things Kal-El
>D: But here on this chair, I amcomfy
>>333411687
Well of course. The best way to even make a Superman game is to not one at all. Just make another game and slap Superman on it mid way through development. Bam.
>>333406917
First post is often worst post.
>>333411817
SSHHH, you'll wake him up.
>>333411817
>what is the Anti-Life Equation
The end.
>and why should I give a shit?
What it says on the tin summarize that anything alive really shouldn't.
>>333411886
>you didn't start super op
The progression system is not what made Saints Row or Hulk good.
>>333406917
Whelp, thread's over.
but I was going to say a Telltale-styled adventure game.
Superman has absolutely nothing unique to bring into a videogame otherwsie.
You make a Clark Kent game
>>333411783
Why do that when you could make a Stardust the Super Wizard game?
>>333412078
Jesus, you're thick.
>>333411817
It is the antithesis of life. Freewill, love, creativity, happiness are all inverted under the anti life equation.
>>333411850
Also if you believe a kids cartoon makes you an expert on things then why isn't every 6 year old a Marine biologist and expert linguist? Fucking millenials man
>>333411640
>Did punching doomsday bring him back from the dead
>Actually justifying the shit cop out of putting supes body in a regeneration matrix
At least it is not as retarded as time traveling eye beams from Darkseid but you are a goddamn moron for actually talking highly of shit plot devices to justify yourself
>>333412073
So... what, you just invoke it and the universe is kaput?
>>333407239
JLU Supes. He was less a boy scout and more of a dickhead politician.
>>333412306
rekt
>>333412095
Can I look through Lois Lane's shirt?
>>333412221
You don't have a point here. You claim that you need to be depowered in a Superman game. I claim that the progression in the games I listed does not matter, as both would still be good games even if you started with all of your powers.
>>333411584
>Saints Row 4 was good
Also Hulk Ultimate Destruction, Prototype and that kind of games are good because you can cause destruction an chaos, that shit wouldn't fly in a Superman game unless you are okay with throwing out the whole point of the character
>>333412306
>Implying you are a Marine biologist and expert linguist because you read comic books
You fucking with me son?
>>333412453
No.
>>333412475
Well, I think you need that level of destruction in a Superman game on order to give you an objective of not causing the destruction
Be as a cheesy but warmhearted as possible like the old movies?
>>333412453
Not even superman wants that washed out whore, at least not in n52, why would you
>>333406838
You don't. It's not fun to play as a Superhero who is stuck being a moralefag.
If you have Godly powers you should be allowed to topple buildings and crush civilians.
>>333412475
>Prototype and that kind of games are good because you can cause destruction an chaos
You can cause destrution and chaos with superman. It just doesn't have to be civilians. Superman has fought against giant robots and shit before. You could easily just make that kind of thing the main fodder.
Not to mention aliens and creations that have strength on par with Superman.
This is why people (and I'm not directing this towards you, the guy I'm quoting) give people shit for not reading Superman comics and daring to comment on what makes a good video game. They lack the imagination to pit Superman besides anything but street thugs.
>>333412505
kek'd
>>333412453
Yes
>>333412321
Wow you googled that quick. Hey, how can you be okay with super powered aliens but not okay with Sci fi revivals? Is that where you draw the line?
>>333412751
why is smug clark best clark?
>>333412306
you can delude yourself into thinking superman conveys such depth that only experts on comics will grasp how the character is, doesn't make you less retarded
>>333412505
>I can't grasp basic anologies
I feel so bad for you no child left behind retards who only speak in memes and image macros
>>333413059
Clark revealing he's Superman in not so subtle ways are truly the best moments.
[HEALING COMA]
>>333412998
>googled
>bought the books when they were new
>even local news made a huge thing out of superman being dead
>they brought him back not long before he was deep cold in comic form again
>OH MY HE KNOWS SOMETHING I DON'T, BET HE IS USING GOOGLE
come on now
>>333413152
You can delude yourself into thinking he doesn't despite admitting you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, all it does is show how retarded you are to everyone else.
>>333411850
>>333413152
Lex, get over it. Your hair isn't coming back.
>>333413152
Maybe it ain't theology but yeah, you still don't know shit about it. Superman has been around for damn near a century and your telling me that you know EVERYTHING about the character because you watched a bit of a cartoon over a decade ago when you were still pissing your bed?
>>333413171
>Comparing apples to oranges
And I feel bad for idiots like you who think finesse is found in a lump of shit
>>333412589
Giving the player the power to make that level destruction just to prohibited or punish the player for doing it is the worst idea for a video game period
>>333412717
Of course you can make the enemies aliens and the setting other place that allows that kind of destruction but that generates other problems, is not that people have no imagination, is just that you are wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yWGk7cLFjo
>>333412094
agreed with this one, hes to OP but decision making would be tight, who lives who dies.
>>333413357
Not long? Seriously?
>>333408151
Yeah great discussion guy who doesn't know what he's talking about. Board isn't shit enough.
I am sick of these fucking /co/ autists invading every board
make a fucking /capeshit/ already
>>333411850
Millenia also applies to people born in the 90s. Just sayin
>>333413449
And I feel bad for your sad chicken shit generation that thinks caring about things is stupid
>>333413627
>unironic use of the word capeshit
retard detected
>>333411584
>saints row 4 was good.
what. It was okay I guess.there was never anything threatening in the slightest though.
>>333413483
>Giving the player the power to make that level destruction just to prohibited or punish the player for doing it is the worst idea for a video game period
Don't design video games.
The best Superman moments are when he goes out of his way to prevent destruction in order to save people.
Destruction and general city maintenance can be a good concept if executed correctly.
>>333413606
>only one fucking year
At least Marvel unlike DC can keep a character dead
>>333413931
Those are good moments of characterization but they can't translate to interesting gameplay in any way, shape or form
>Hey, you didn't use all this cool tools to complete your objective, well done! S rank
>>333414070
>comparing marvel and DC deaths
No knowledge at all huh? Why did you feel so compelled to come here to display your ignorance?
>>333413713
and 80's so using it to denote underage children is a misuse
how about having supes fight bad guys who are of cosmic power, but in a hub that's metropolis?
not so much the bad guys fighting in metropolis (maybe for some final last stand missions), but more that clark needs people to be happy and have hope in order for himself to survive.
something like space cosmic missions for story progression, and metropolis saving people adventures for grinding and side-missions.
>>333413931
But nobody would want to fucking play it. People don't want to help people, they want to kill shit. If they wanted to walk old ladies across the street they would go outside and do it.
Ever wonder why they haven't made an Arkham game take place in an area with normal people in it? Because everyone would throw a fit because you can't just punch a nigga.
Sucks, but that's how it is.
>>333414174
>Not comparing the superior storytellers to actual shit ones
No need to get so assblasted, even in movie form Marvel wins over DC, get over it, the only thing DC has going over DC are the outdated and washed out Batman movies of which the third one was a raging turd
>>333414150
I dunno. having control of your powers and using your cool tools to not even destroy a single thing except the enemy is cool in its own right.
the real problem with a superman game is actually just the lack of real threats though. there needs to be the most terrifying monster possible.is there any kind of enemy that's essentially a commander from supreme commander and he reclaims things in order to create armies? this is what superman needs to fight.
>>333414348
>>333414364
Can Brainiac do shit like that?
>>333414348
Listen, kid. If you knew anything about the actual comic scene, you'd know that most readers don't give a fuck about company wars. Both brands are generally shit with good stuff sprinkled in. You just aren't fitting in, no matter how hard you try.
>>333414364
Superman fights all sorts of city destroying, invasions and planet busters shit all the time.
Why do people think he only fights common thugs?
>>333414364
superman is only as strong as the writer wants to, he goes from shit in some issues to retard strong in others, slower than fucking speedsters to faster than human thought so you can cop some shit out
like in red son where he fucks hal over because he moves faster than hal can think, or in injustice where he annihilates darkseid's army which are scarce over the entire planet within seconds killing them all
>>333413483
> 1:35
Its OP's Superman but somehow even more shitty.
>>333414241
>People don't want to help people, they want to kill shit
Stop projecting.
>>333414596
Because they haven't read a superman comic. Shocking, I know.
>>333414457
>>333414549
>DC fanboys getting mad over facts
And how's that BvS movie going?
>>333406838
>at worse
>>333414693
Woah, settle down. I was talking about the general market, spergy. I'd love a game like that, but it's just not happening. If it got made every review would cry about how you can't burn people.
You either have him constantly protect people and them dying leads to game over, or you have him fight in outer space aliens and shit that are as strong as he is.
Superman is broken as fuck though so it's hard. Fighting random thugs won't work since they can't hurt, or touch him. Everything's got to be grand scale. What do you do with that exactly? Even in the cartoon it's stupid that anything should touch him since he's so damn fast yet it happens all the time.
I can already see the lame ass, Kryptonite used as a steroid and mass produced so now everyone can hurt Superman, or Kryptonite bullets.
So while you can have him over pwoered Alien bosses, or people with kryptonite spears and shit it's hard to build anything in between that. Superman boss rush mode is essentially the only thing that would work because escorting/protecting people would get very borning.
I guess a 5 hour game that's just non stop big ass aliens, set pieces and bosses is the only way to make it.
>>333414348
>trying to start a /v/ style console war with comic book companies
if you knew even the first thing about comics, you'd know that most of the notable writers from the big two have written for both DC and Marvel
>>333414765
BvS is shit like most comic movies. Doesn't mean it isn't a fun way to spend an evening.
>>333407914
If you read DC it means you find it entertaining. If you tried it but you find it boring then you're allowed to shit talk
>>333414203
I feel like this is the best that could be done. While I think the best Superman stories are about humanity, inspiring people, etc. that's pretty fucking hard to make a game mechanic outside of Spider-Man 2 esque side missions.
>>333414765
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYKeQczkFfM
>>333414241
>But nobody would want to fucking play it. People don't want to help people, they want to kill shit.
My ass
I would love to play more GTA games where I'm the cop. Not a corrupt cop, a good cop.
>>333414925
>If you tried it but you find it boring then you're allowed to shit talk
Has nothing to do with the post you quoted given the guy who started this doesn't even bother to try DC.
>>333414901
>Doesn't mean it isn't a fun way to spend an evening.
>Encouraging people to go and watch that aberration
I hope you are ashamed of your words
>>333414348
Ignoring everything else you said no one can say that Marvel has/had better animated properties
>>333414898
I know more than you do or even will, and I know how Marvel characters and stories are better than mary sue land DC
>>333406917
>>333407217
Your pleb is showing anon
>>333414985
Who else /obeystrafficlights/ here?
>>333414967
>fucking hard to make a game mechanic outside of Spider-Man 2 esque side missions.
I can see that working if you polished it out and had a ton of variety.
Amazing Spider-Man 2 brought random events back and even had you rescue people from building fires.
Too bad it was a shit game.
>>333406838
why not make it about an interesting character like batm... oh wait
>>333415160
>I know more than you do or even will, and I know how Marvel characters and stories are better than mary sue land DC
You ain't fooling anyone with this mess, son.
>>333414985
And by "playing a cop" you totally mean doing a shitload of paperwork, waiting with nothing to do on the road and spending most of your time giving ticket and not, shooting a bunch of people, right?
Spoiler, you don't want to play as a cop, you want to play as a sociopath with a badge, aka cop missions in GTA
>>333414971
I JUST realized the reason the only person who kept his cool here is Superman because Man of Steel must have prepared him for a similar response. I know two other people who worked on it are there but they probably ducked the brunt of things until now. I'm just hoping Snyder is done, it's fucking Schumacher all over again.
>>333415194
Muh nigga
>>333415160
If I recall isn't Marvel almost entirely a parody of DC minus a small handful of characters? A very small handful of characters.
>>333413931
Makes me think of the Ghostbusters video game (aka the real gb3) where destruction played a part in how you got paid, so you could either be very careful or just say fuck it and destroy everything
Make it about the restraint of power instead of the use of power.
You don't have a health bar: your opponent does. You have to make sure his doesn't reach zero or people start calling you out, but at the same time you need to stop the villain from committing crimes.
>>333415323
Nice "counter" argument you got going there kiddo.
>>333415324
>Spoiler, you don't want to play as a cop, you want to play as a sociopath with a badge, aka cop missions in GTA
Have you never played police officer games that involve you stopping criminals without killing them? Because there are a number of them that exist.
Chase HQ
Judge Dredd
True Crime
Sleeping Dogs (during the cop missions)
Besides, your post is stupid because it's saying "you don't want to play as a game where you're a mayor because you have to campaign and beg for donations and..."
>>333415336
>I'm just hoping Snyder is done
He's making a solo Batman movie with Batfleck and a Wonder Woman movie, on top of the Justice League one, he is far from done
>>333415462
It's a constant back and forth between both companies. One of the worst being Thanos, Darkseid, Mongul and Apocalypse. Hell Spider-Woman was created just so DC couldn't use that name.
>>333406838
Make it like Lemmings with a player avatar that's invulnerable and super-strong, but lacks specialized skills necessary to accomplish the objective, which the excessively vulnerable Lemmings happen to posess.
Think of it like Pikmin or Overlord, but with Superman in the middle doing the fighting while his minions are sent to enter passcodes, hack computers, unlock retinal scanners, etc.
And for fuck's sake, make the AI endearing instead of frustrating. Or make Supes be the invincible minion while the PC gets to be the controller.
>>333414241
>The edgemaster reveals his true form
>>333415543
What argument am I supposed to counter? You didn't present one to counter in that post I just quoted.
>>333406838
Make it about control, and playing the Superman you want to play.
Controlling Superman should be like driving stick shift. The game isn't about progression from weak to strong but about holding back just enough to be effective and efficient, holding back a lot to be playful and smug, or cutting loose to be a 1,000 exploding suns with every punch. The way you confront crime and other threats should reflect on your reputation with the city and allow you to role play as any single Superman personality ever, from Golden Age smugster to Boy Scout to frustrated JLU leader to Injustice Lord to Man of Murder.
You could scan a city block with multiple types of vision and hearing, zip down to cut off a bank robber, and then either fuck with them and spout one-liners or melt their guns immediately with heat vision or burn them all alive with heat vision.
>>333415497
>Man of Steel didn't come out during the PS2 era when people remembered that pressure controls were a thing
>The grapple button would cause you to snap people's necks if you pressed too hard.
What could have been
>>333406838
Superman is hard to make into a good game because superman is a god. And games where you are an invincible god are boring. (not to confuse with god games where you control the world) Superman stories are largely about that outsider finding home in a different world and doing stuff for good.
That doesn't make for very good video games.
Batman on the other Hand has a lot of beating up guys who could technically kill him. a lot of sneaking around. a lot of finding way to beat beings much stronger than him. All traits that come very natural to video games.
>>333414861
>Titan Souls: Supes Edition
Meh, I'd give it a pirate, and I didnt even care to play titan souls in the first place
>>333415659
Dude Wonder Woman is Patty Jenkins, get your info up to date
>>333415543
I'm sorry why is Predator killing a gibberish speaking cultist next what looks like Harley Quinn?
>>333415324
>And by "playing a cop" you totally mean doing a shitload of paperwork, waiting with nothing to do on the road and spending most of your time giving ticket and not, shooting a bunch of people, right?
Isn't that pretty much Police Quest?
>>333415664
don't forget the worst one, deadpool/deathstroke
>>333415818
He's killing Sabrina the Teenage Witch and that's Bettie from Archie next to her.
>>333415818
Archie meets the Predator
He just stabbed Sabrina the Teenage Witch
>>333413614
Yep. They were so gloriously shithouse
>>333415753
>And games where you are an invincible god are boring.
I have no idea why people keep saying Superman is invincible
>>333415715
>I can't say anything convincing to actually justify how DC=Marvel in terms of quality that isn't my wretched point of view and them sharing some writers at one point
Yeah, good to know you can't defend your own opinions
>>333415994
Dumb people getting into discussions they don't belong in
>>333415818
Because Sabrina is universally hated
>>333406838
> You are invincible (no life meter/damage at all)
> Sandbox Metropolis with destructable buildings
> Enemies attack city, you fight them off
> Buildings destroyed in collateral damage
> When all buildings are destroyed, you lose
>>333415994
If he's not canonically invincible, then he's just Batman in a more colorful alternate skin.
>>333415608
There is nothing stupid with my post you don't want to play as a mayor, you want to play animal crossing that is nothing like being a mayor
And in sleeping dogs, during most cops mission, you are still doing incredibly crazy shit, like hitting cars, have you ever seen a real car chase? most don't play out like that. You are playing exactly as >>333414241 is describing, the only difference is that the game told you the old lady was a evil criminal and somehow you are justified in your incredibly reckless actions, and that's why the idea of a superman game fails, he can't do awful shit, regardless of how many excuses you can give him
>>333416039
And what have you said to support your own opinions?
Sharing writers is important because the writers are what make the comics good. Without good writers, you have shit storylines, shit dialogue, and just plain shit comics. Spider-Man isn't good because he's Spider-Man. Spider-Man is good because he's had a number of good writers behind him to turn him into something great.
Without a good writer, a comic is bad. This is why it makes no sense to chose a side when both sides are made up of the same people.
>>333416039
The top selling graphic novels of all time are littered with DC. Monthly sales belong to marvel due to flooding the market with number 1s constantly. Marvel failed so hard that Disney had to buy them and prop up their corpse so retards like you can clap at things that kind of move like avengers but aren't avengers.
>>333416252
So you know nothing of Superman?
>>333416252
No batman was superman in horror/crime skin.
>>333416273
>you don't want to play as a mayor, you want to play animal crossing that is nothing like being a mayor
My post was referencing Sim City, you fucking fetus.
>>333416435
Not your version, no. Again, you're just telling a Batman story with Batman wearing a blue and red suit.
>>333415994
Same people that say Aquaman is a pansy. Basically people that get their information about comic books from popular media.
>>333416387
>DC
>Top selling
Marvel holds 7 of the 8 top places of top selling comics, might want to check your facts again
Comic-book Title Issue Price Publisher Est. sales
1 Walking Dead 150 $2.99 Image 156,166
2 Secret Wars 9 $4.99 Marvel 149,028
3 Spider-Man Deadpool 1 $3.99 Marvel 133,813
4 Star Wars 14 $3.99 Marvel 118,471
5 Star Wars 15 $3.99 Marvel 107,858
6 Old Man Logan 1 $4.99 Marvel 104,362
7 Obi-Wan and Anakin 1 $3.99 Marvel 102,861
>>333415994
>>333416109
Nigga superman IS invincible. They had to completely reboot the character because he was just TOO FUCKING POWERFUL. moving planets for the fuck of it and what not. Of course like EVERY HERO EVER he has been wounded killed and depowered hundreds of times. Every time someone comes up with some bullshit reason to kill him. cryptonite. Darkseid, no sun, he turned evil. God knows what.
But baseline superman, as is. Is pretty much an Immortal god, strong than anyone else, able to keep up with the flash, mind reading and basically able to do everything. Fuck once he disabled someones power by lobotomizing him from a distance with his fucking eye lasers.
So don't give me this "hurp you don't know shit he got beat by X" yeah sure he did. He got beat by everyone once. I'm pretty sure if they crossover they could find a way for wolverine to beat him. But he is an immortal fucking god.for fucks sake even the Injustice line is subtitled "gods among us"
>>333416545
That still a really big abstraction of any actual mayor job
>>333416669
Read his post again
First thing's first, you have to give it a developer that is willing to do a combat system that is more than just counter-to-win. Superman cannot be locked into combat animations like Batman or Assassin's Creed.
Otherwise, there are tons of games where the hero can move fucking fast, hit like a truck, tank small arms fire, and throw shit around like it's nothing. All you have to do is add good flight mechanics.
The worst thing you can do for Superman is try to force him to be like other heroes.
>>333406917
Injustice comic achieved that already.
>>333416683
It's a video game you fucking autistic retard.
Why don't you go into a GTA thread and tell them they don't want to play as criminals because the games aren't about spending the majority of your adult life in prison
>>333407846
>Moon Knight
he is a blatant Batman ripoff and Batman is not terribly interesting either what a shit taste
>>333416720
Only 3 of those are number ones
>>333416678
He literally can not keep up with the flash and he was rebooted with the entire DC universe fucko. It was a blanket rebranding and had nothing to do with power levels
>>333416678
>They had to completely reboot the character
The only times they've ever rebooted Superman are when they've rebooted or mass retconned the entire universe. You can hardly pin that one on Superman alone.
>>333416794
Because nobody is a retard who actually think GTA shows the criminal life
>>333416720
>talks about DC in the past days of former glory when they actually sold shit and are still selling like shit compared to Marvel
>shits on Marvel saying they needed to be bought out of necessity and not willingly
I can see fine, mind your own business
>>333416846
Was that a list of graphic novels? And star wars would sell even if it was still idw. Christ you're retarded
>>333416678
jesus fuck do you not realize that referring to all superheroes as gods is a common thing for dc
>>333416678
You know that his corpse, right?>>333415994
And rebooted Superman still gets whooped. You can say he's invincible all you want, it won't make it true
>>333416991
>And star wars would sell even if it was still idw
Please don't move the goalpost anon
>>333416846
>>333416984
>The top selling graphic novels of all time are littered with DC.
I hope you're using a public computer in the library, because you need to learn to read
>>333417137
Oh did that list suddenly become top selling graphic novels?
>>333416883
>>333416909
I'm not sure why either of you or anyone is responding to that idiot, there are cases of Batman shooting fucking Darkseid and winning among other asspulls but no one brings those up or complains. It's bias plain and simple and trying to indulge it rationally will just get you more nonsense attempts of justifying their skewed view regardless of how many panels, pages and backed up detailed explanations you give.
If someone's rigid opinion is based on ignorance it is not going to get better with any amount of information. The ego will just feel it is being threatened and go into the usual mental gymnastics until everyone else gives up or the anon will just close the thread and retreat into the belief they're right forgetting anything you said within a few hours.
>>333416983
Nobody thinks Sim City is being a mayor
Nobody thinks Phoenix Wright is being a lawyer
Nobody thinks LA Noire is being a detective
Nobody thinks Street Fighter is actual fighting
Nobody thinks Harvest Moon is actual farming
It doesn't mean that real life concepts can't be re-imagined as video games. You autistic retard
>>333417228
>he moved the goalpost so I can moved too
That shit doesn't fly outside of kindergarten anon
I believe a Superman game could be like this: you would control a more powerful Superman than the TAS and the map could be in metropolis and Smallville.
At the top of the screen there would be a health bar (red) and below your health bar would be a bar that would measure its solar power (yellow) if you use the powers, this bar would empty but would regenerate with time (it can be filled more quickly if you stay near the sun) .if you fill solar energy bar completely you have an extension of that bar that would be in front of the health bar, all his powers would be more powerful and all damage that you take would be deducted from this bar, but you could activate a "Kryptonian mode" in which Superman would have a red aura around him and he would be stronger, faster, time would slow down however it will start to empty and attacks enemy and the constant use of powers would exhaust this bar faster, after the bar runs out there will be a time to recharge. In addition to these two bars there would also be a third bar a city bar, if you allow the bad guys cause excessive damage to the people would be a failed mission. If you fight with powerful enemies, there will be a time when you had to wait until the area is evacuated (the safe area would be represented by a light that will tell to where you can wreak havoc on your battle).
>>333417153
>shitty events that only sell because of novelty
>compared to Marvel who is steady all the time
Also, at work like a functioning member of society, not my fault your knowledge is ostracized by your shitty campus internet
>>333417336
His goalposts is cemented in place
>>333417365
>Shitty events that sale only because of novelty
So, Marvel?
There's a fucking event all the God damn time.
>>333413931
Using your body to make passage for a train is cool in a movie, but how would that translate into gameplay? A shitty qte and a pre-programed animation.
>>333417273
Are you comparing Batman getting teleported to the past due omega beams to superman hibernating INSIDE THE FUCKING SUN, THE MOTHERFUCKING SUN and suddenly out of nowhere in the future coming out as the most strongest being ever conceived, are you shitting me?
>>333417365
Marvel has only had steady dominance in recent year. Also marvel has several cross overs going on now with at least one being part of that list. Also, still isn't top graphic novels so is still retardly irrelevant to the point that it was trying to counter.
>>333417365
Please don't tell me you think DC does more events than Marvel. Please, I can't handle that amount of stupidity.
>>333417510
>A shitty qte and a pre-programed animation.
Have you ever played manhole
You covered people from falling and it wasn't a QTE
>>333417504
Yeah, that event is called being a better company and having better quality and content than DC
>>333417276
The problem is that the "re-imagined" concept of being a cop, is just being a murderer with a badge, and while in most games is not much of a problem, in a Superman game, it goes against the philosophy of the character
>>333417273
>there are cases of Batman shooting fucking Darkseid and winning among other asspulls but no one brings those up or complains
Darkseid was weakened and Batman still got Omega'd in the face
>>333417365
>compared to Marvel who is steady all the time
>steady all the time
kek
>>333406838
Just make it a sandbox game but cap his flight speed and strength and give him shit to do. Give it a stylish cel-shaded look so it can save the processor for loading the giant areas and keep the framerate smooth rather than cranking up graphical fidelity.
>>333417692
>is just being a murderer with a badge
Except for those game examples I just gave where you can take in criminals without killing them
>>333417651
Marvel's current output is almost entirely garbage though. I mean, fucking christ, you're really going to side with the company that puts out a comic book by Kate Leth? Or decides to have Bor, father of Odin, get censored into [red pill meninist crap]? Or throw the entirety of the X-Men under the bus because they don't have the fucking movie rights?
>>333406917
>>333407846
>>333408641
>>333411850
>he hasn't read All-Star Superman
>he hasn't read the excellent Kesel run of the 90s
>he hasn't read Superman: War of the Worlds
>he hasn't read Kingdom Come
>he hasn't read The Dark Knight Returns
>he hasn't watched the Fleischer shorts
>he hasn't watched the DCAU
wew lad
>>333416883
Nigga he runs as fast as the flash and then flash goes "Lolno I have SUPER TURBO" but he could literally do pretty much all the shit flash does, like emptying entire buildings of people in a second
>>333417013
That's why I put it in spoilers. because it was a joke. Supes is still a god.
>>333417085
Nigga like I said before Yeah he gets beaten and killed from time to time. EVERYONE does Specially someone as popular as superman. You know how often the Joker died? Robins dying is pretty much a running gag by now too.
like I said they're always coming up with some bullshit reason why Superman can get beaten to a pulp. There is always one guy, or some thing that has something or is something that can utterly destroy superman. sure.
BUT THE FACT IS: Baseline superman is a fucking invincible god. In the main canon, short of cryptonite and Darkseid nothing can fucking hurt him. You can smash planets on the dude. At one point it is said that he can hear every single humans heartbeat on the planet. HE IS A FUCKING GOD. and thus games as him would be boring. and if you depower him you might as well play any other hero really.
>>333409535
It's not even an S at that point its just a \
>>333417590
>Says that when DC needed to reboot their entire universe and shit in order to grasp consistent writing just recently
>Making it a moot point because they're bringing back old Superman who now has a son
You people and your delusions and proving that they only did it for a quick cash grab
>>333417651
Anon. It's ship>>333417832
>Or throw the entirety of the X-Men under the bus because they don't have the fucking movie rights?
That's pretty silly.
>>333406838
Just cause style open world. Rainbow siege full destructibility. Batman esq story style. >given objective do however you want. Cut a building in half with lazer eyes and throw it at the enemy? Sure. Fly through said building like a bat out of hell and then submerge outside of base walls like a mole and pop back up. OK. Become a human ICBM flying into space and back down in g shockwave to kill. Fine
>>333417651
>pulling out the feminist and sjw card on Marvel
really now?
>>333417912
>Marvel All New All Different
>two sets of x men running because time travel
Dumb as fuck
>>333408769
I like this idea, how come it hasn't been done yet?
>>333417912
DC only did the reboot for sales. Casuals always go into comics thinking they need to read 30 years of X-Men or Justice League just to understand what's going on.
>>333417959
Man I fucked that up. Now I know why I shouldn't mobilepost.
>>333417537
>>333417725
I knew this would get misinterpreted, I'm not complaining about the context of Final Crisis, Grant knew what he was doing and I skimmed over it so the discussion wouldn't (as it is now) spiral into a detour of comprehending the material, I wasn't complaining about comic books. I'm pointing out someone with bias towards street level characters will NEVER bring up events that might make a character seem absurd out of context like Batman but when discussing characters like Superman will only ever bring up his most infamously absurd ones.
This isn't about what you, I or anyone who reads the stuff knows this is about the people who don't and do not care.
>>333415737
Oh, and have heroes and villains show up in reaction to your choices. You can also decide on how you handle them, but of course they react much differently than the average crook or police officer.
In short, a Superman game should let you be the comic writer, not be constrained by the vision of one of several writers throughout Superman's publication and media history.
>>333417273
/v/ is filled with this shit. It's one of the more obtuse boards, I reckon. Probably reinforced by most anons here being young and skipping lurking straight to posting
>>333417819
And again, in those games, while maybe not murdering, you are still doing incredibly reckless shit, you show that you a cop, and he is going to spend the next 2 hours explaining you why a cop shouldn't never do like 90% of the thing you do in those games and how that is just an incredibly abuse of powers. And yes, that's just a re-imagination of his work. but there is a really specific reason to why is re imagined in the way is it. because >>333414241
If you give a player power he is going to abuse it
>>333417085
Post when superman got up more pissed off then ever and fucking murdered him
>>333417845
>BUT THE FACT IS: Baseline superman is a fucking invincible god. In the main canon, short of cryptonite and Darkseid nothing can fucking hurt him.
Man, you really want Superman to be invincible for some reason
>>333417510
First, you'd have to know the rail was broken. You'd hear that from the panic distress signals you picked up while flying around. Then you'd have to pin point where exactly the rail was broken. No way points, listen. What train is it, what's the usual route for that train. Is it East, West? Better hurry. Then it's a race to get to it in time before the train arrived. But there are other crimes or emergencies occurring that you pick up along the way. Do you stop, or do you keep going? At that point, you have to make a quick decision. Can you repair it in time? Is it even repairable? Can you stop the train in time safely? You want to act as a brake, not a wall.
You better hurry up, because the train is coming.
The entire gameplay mechanic isn't actually stopping the train. It's making the decisions in order to stop it safely.
In a modern game, they'd give you a marker, a way point, and stop all the other events so that you can focus on this one thing. Once you reach the destination, then your QTE cutscene would play.
Everything in today's vidya is heavily automated because developers are afraid of that not everyone will have fun the right way. Those devs are dumb and should stop pandering to them. They need to challenge them instead.
There are bright people, anon. They just lack the light to show them the way.
>>333415543
>>333416206
Why are Archie comics so needlessly edgy now?
>>333418495
ok
>>333418652
Who the fuck would read it without? What is this, the 50s?
>>333418705
I hate to be that guy, but a Platinum Games Superman, something like a really hardcore beatemup with strong enemies, so you don't feel too overpowered.
