>kill my first BK in the game
>he drops this
>stat requirements aren't ludicrous, looks pretty cool
>spend the souls to equip it
>good damage, pretty fast, good movesets
>try out other weapons
>they're either slower and deal less damage, or very very slightly faster but deal less than half the damage
>a friend tells me how to get the sword that one dragon sword, it's still weaker
>beat Ornsmoug, forge the hammer, slow as fuck and deals less damage than the BK sword
>always trying out different weapons because I'm rather tired of the BK sword
>always disappointed
>even the other BK weapons are shit compared to it
next time I play Dark Souls I'll try to avoid using it, but why is this thing so good?
>>even the other BK weapons are shit compared to it
the halberd is better for pve
The balance of twinkling titanite weapons is kinda wack
And considering how Miyazaki had big plans about the knights moving around I think it is fair to assume that is just one of the things that they couldn't polish before releasing the game.
People always bring up Lost Izalith as a very obvious example of how rushed and unfinished DaS1 is but it is everywhere in the game.
It definitely could've used a few more months or even a year.
>>333403621
same thing happened to me until i found the Black Knight Halberd. If you upgrade it to +10, you can kill Gwyn in 3-4 ripostes
otherwise, nice choice of weapons OP
>>333404161
>>333403875
It's just that I sort of feel like I've 'abused' the strongest weapons in each game. In Demons' I told my friend I wanted to go paladin, he told me there was a faith scaling weapon, and that I could get it kind of early. And jesus the Moonlight fucked everything up, and I could block fucking magic. Flamelurker and the twin maneaters were jokes. And in Dark Souls 2 I thought I'd go caveman, with a shitton of strength and wielding clubs, surprise surprise, blunt damage is OP as fuck in that game.
I mean, should they have better balanced these weapons, or made the rest of the weapons better?
>>333403819
I might give it a shot next playthrough
>>333403621
It's definitely good but many other weapons are better past +10. BK weapons get outclassed at higher soul levels.
>>333404730
>past +10
shit, I thought +10 was the max upgrade on most weapons (and +5 on special ones like the BK sword)
I guess I'll look up weapon upgrading next time I play the game
>decide to do a black knight playthrough
>no BK drops
>stop playing
>>333404612
It is a weird balance.
The Knights should have strong weapons since they are so strong and beating them early is pretty hard if you have never played a souls game and you have not mastered parrying yet. But the sword and the halberd destroy the difficulty curve.
The drake sword is even worse.
So it is a question between world consistency and videogame balance.
>>333404862
You can go up to +15 with no element I belive, I think if you upgrade with an element it goes to +5
>>333403621
I've had a similar experience. I started replaying the game again and spent a lot of the early hours just investing souls into upgrading weapons for my knight-knight build. Balder Sword, Halberd, Ricard's Rapier, and the Black Bow to fit any situation. I had a lot of fun.
>>333403621
I used this thing on my first playthrough (And partially into NG+) andni have to agree, the BKS is fucking good. I never used to even use the heavy attack since the light attack still deals a shitload of damage and is about as fast as the Claymore. However, I do believe I used it as a kind of crutch. I'd try out different weapons but could never bring myself to use them for very long. The only thing making the BKS not ridiculously overpowered is the fact it takes twink to upgrade it, which is pretty rare early game, also it only goes to +5.
>>333403621
Had the same case with Ultra BK Greatsword
still my favorite weapon, that heavy R2 oh god yes
>>333405218
Almost but still wrong.
It is kinda hard to find a rule here because there is little consistency.
>>333405218
fire, magic, raw, divine up to +10
occult, chaos, enchanted, crystal and lighting +5
>>333405469
raw up to +5*
I think it might have been better if BK weapon drops weren't RNG. Maybe they drop only if you beat a BK in a certain number of hits or less.
>>333405069
>The Knights should have strong weapons since they are so strong and beating them early is pretty hard if you have never played a souls game and you have not mastered parrying yet.
eeeh just lock on, raise your shield and strafe until he attacks wrong, so you can Bückstabü him
parrying and riposting is the most fun way to kill them though, definetly
>But the sword and the halberd destroy the difficulty curve.
>So it is a question between world consistency and videogame balance.
they could just make the str requirement bigger you know
>The drake sword is even worse.
at least that thing is 'hidden' and the scaling is shit
>>333405218
noice
>>333405369
in my experience, heavy damaging slow weapons are good against regular enemies, but if you try them against most bosses you're fucked because you take too long to recover
>>333405398
oh, great, and I thought Dota was too specific
1 playthrough is enough to 'satisfy' my Souls urges, I won't be experimenting with different weapons and risk ending up with a shit weapon or having to farm, I guess I'll just look up guides on each type of weapon to choose a few to try out (not to mention I can be completely fucked because of my stat build too)
>>333403621
You should be using the Claymore by the time you get to Orstein and Smough.
Claymore is like the Black Knight Sword but better. +15 Claymore is among the best weapons in the game.
>>333405684
That looks complicated to you?
>>333404612
I know that feeling. My +10 large club rekted everything. Stunlocked most enemies.
>>333405710
I was always partial to a +10 lightning Claymore myself.
>>333405038
I've tried for several characters now to do this and never gotten any luck
Pretty sure I got it on my fucking dex guy though
>>333405764
>no consistency
>have to look up on wiki just to find out what weapons goes to +15, 10 or 5
Complicated? No.
Annoying as fuck and confusing for no goddamn reason? Why yes.
>>333404612
>>333405906
>large club
Yeah, that thing was an absolute beast. There was literally no other point in getting any other weapon. You did so much damage shit was insane.
>>333404612
You haven't abused shit. You've used the tools the game provides. Maybe in your next run you can start adding arbitrary rules on top of what is there, but your goal the first time around should only be getting to the end, and whatever works to get you there.
>>333405976
>+10
>lightning
eh
>>333403621
yeah, same. i beat the game then completed the DLC on NG+ using the BKS the entire time. i tried upgrading some shit all the way with my mountain of titanite, but nothing could ever compare to it.
>>333406020
>Annoying as fuck and confusing for no goddamn reason? Why yes.
It is really not that confusing.
Especially if you think about the smiths and how upgrades function.
>>333405710
The claymore is objectively THE best weapon in the game. It's light, has low stat requirements, great poise damage, great backstab modifier, and above all the most versatile moveset in the game. Almost all my builds had a claymore and zweihander because I would pump my strength to at least 16.
>>333406020
it's not confusing at all, you're just a lazy fuck who can't be bothered memorizing 3 fucking paths, seriously
>>333405398
I can never remember what Raw weapons actually do
oh, and I forgot to mention the latest one in the series
>try out the axe, it's pretty fun
>great against regular enemies
>get to the first boss, get fucking rekt 3~4 times
>restart the game, pick the cane
>shit damage and range
>rekt on the boss again
>restart again, I wanted to avoid picking the cover weapon but so be it, Saw Cleaver
>faster than the axe, deals more damage than it too, with it open I can wreck groups of humanoids
>kill the boss first try
>every other weapon I find and upgrade deals less damage while being slower
>eventually find Tonitrus, alternate between it and the SC as much as I want, on bosses use the one that deals more damage
>go to a friend's, he's using Ludwig's sword, his less upgraded Saw Cleaver deals as much as Ludwig's on each hit but is way faster
I didn't stagger much I guess, but I never needed to since I could just dodge shit
>>333405710
I'll keep an eye out for that
>>333405764
if I'm going to test shit out, yes, I'll be very limited unless I resort to duping items or something, but maybe 'complicated'
>>333406064
that's fun on its own I guess, exploring, finding items and using them (like the spider shield against poison enemies)
>>333406069
Maybe I'm thinking of DaS2, I can't remember. I remember having a +10 lightning Claymore at some point though.
>>333406224
+base damage, removes scaling
>>333406224
they have reduced scaling but more base damage, they'd probably be useful before you have access to elemental weapon if you don't intend to level up str and dex beyond stat requirements i guess? I don't even know their real purpose myself desu
>>333406224
More base damage but less damage from scaling.
you can upgrade to it earlier
It is for the early game if you don't want an element and want to focus on other stats.
>>333405976
That's what Gold Pine Resin is for. With a +15 Claymore and resin I used to win 3 on 1 PVP encounters in the Garden.
>>333406224
Increased non-elemental base damage and lowered scaling, that's it.
No wonder you don't remember it, though. That path was pretty much useless
>>333406356
i always figured it was for people doing low SL runs.
>>333403621
Tbqh Zweihander is the best weapon in this game.
>tfw making over 1k dmg with light attacks
>>333403621
>get BKH drop from Darkroot Basin on first playthrough
>have no clue it was even a rare drop till I've already completed the game
Felt good.
>>333406754
Fukken savage
>>333406754
That enchantment is better with fast weapons since the extra damage is based on the magadjust of the talisman and not the damage of the enchanted weapon.
>>333407070
>trying to be logical with Zweihanderfags
>>333407070
I mean true but this is not an MMO outside of the four kings very few battles are about dps.
Burst damage is a lot harder to heal against than constant dps.
>>333407070
It is a better substitute than any other applicable atm.
Besides, it doesnt really matter. I mostly 1-2 hit anything in the bloody game using power within.
Not only do i have the stamina to do it, but i can break nearly any poise for long enough to land 3 hits at least.
>tfw my +5 Hatchet beats every other weapon in damage in DS2
Is it due to my Dex build? Not sure what I'm doing, this is my first DS game. Got it from a friend for PS4, he didn't want it. Trying to beat it before DS3 release.
>>333408080
Nothing beats the Large Club.
>>333403621
That sword is a very, very good weapon. Not the best there is, but definitely a good one. I just love how it has just enough speed and reach to easily punish backstab fishers if you time your swings right
>>333405398
So glad From moved away from retarded upgrade systems in DaS2 and Bloodborne.Then they added gems in Bloodborne which were way more retarded.
>>333408350Great club
>>333408516
>Back before DaS2 is about to come out
>Decide to do one more DaS run and minmax like a huge fag
>Go Great Club
>Get my int up for Crystal Magic Weapon
>mfw killing bosses in 4 hits
Artorias had never been so easy.
>>333408502
>only 1 +10 upgrade gem in the non-DLC game
FROMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>>333403621
>next time I play Dark Souls I'll try to avoid using it, but why is this thing so good?
It's good for the first half of the game, but ultimately Claymore is better at higher damage, better moveset and lighter weight.
It's also not a 100% drop, you need some luck to get it.
Drake Sword is parish trash.
>>333408772
Min-maxing can break the first DaS so easily it's almost ridiculous
I remember doing an iron golem run. Full armor set with the axe, no shield, and using the iron flesh pyromancy. Could just fucking facetank bosses and take my time to swing at it and drink estus while getting pummeled
>>333403621
I was using the BKGS as soon as I got it the entire game
Moveset just too cool
>>333406020
>>333406020
>>have to look up on wiki just to find out what weapons goes to +15, 10 or 5
It's not very complex. Special weapons upgraded with twinkling titanite go up to 150% of their base damage at +5, same for dragon, and normal weapons go up to 250% of their base damage at +15 using normal titanite.
Elemental damages get split and get no scaling. (Fire, Lightning)
Magical weapons get split damage and receive less scaling. (Divine, Magic, Enchanted)
Chaos is the similar to other elemental except their Flame damage scales with humanity up to 10.
>>333403621
The Black Knight Sword is garbage, it's just an inferior Claymore.
If you want to play the game on easy, just get the Zweihander
>Get 16 STR and 10 DEX
>Proceed to shit on every single boss
>>333408080
Axe scales with dexterity iirc and +5 is already halfway there (In DaS2 it only goes up to 10, not 15).
Just try weapons that have movesets you like. Personally recommend longsword, rapier and estoc.
>>333406754
>>333407070
The only problem with this really is paying the high END price for the ninja roll and looks.
I think this is the lowest one can get with this gear and still function enough making more than 1000 dmg/hit
Besides, dat poise.
You can also just switch the wolf ring to favor ring and use the Grass Crest Shield with lower poise and still ninja roll.
>>333407027
>>333406754
>People playing at 720p upscaled
Is this real life?
>>333410369
i downloaded it few days ago on the hype to dark souls 3.
Still havent done anything, nor do i remember how to make it better.
>>333409924
>Magical weapons get split damage and receive less scaling
sometimes, the scaling just swaps eg. pharis bow
anyone else playing through 1 or 2 again?
playing SOTFS now, while 2 doesnt feel the same as 1, it's still a great game imo.
yes, I know, it isnt demons souls, but it's still good. also good practice trying new builds before 3 is out.
>>333410535
Just get dsfix man.
>>333410791
Doing it right now
tnx
Doing my first sl1 build in preparation for ds3. So far i beat capra demon, Cant wait to get one shot by silver knights.Wish i could use the longsword
>>333410791
Much better
>>333403621
The BKH is probably the best PvE weapon desu
Does insane damage, has great range, and you can get it to +5 before queelaag
Are the black knight weapons guaranteed drops if you're wearing the gold serpent ring?
Haven't seen the Halberd drop once in 10+ playthroughs
>>333403621
Same thing happened to me. The sword dropped, and I decided to get the stats for it. Completed the whole game using BKS. Tried other weapons occasionally, but nothing came even close.
I wish the great sythe in DKS2 was as good as it was in the first
>>333414101
>Are the black knight weapons guaranteed drops if you're wearing the gold serpent ring?
It increases the chances of drop (having humanities on your humanity counter does that too, and it stacks with the ring), but no, there's never a 100% drop on something.
As a poorfag I am really enjoying all the DaS1 threads lately. Wish I could join you in DS3, but that will have to wait
>>333416102
There's actually a 100% chance of an item dropping if it's from a non-respawning enemy and you kill the last one in the world. For example, when you kill the last armored boar it'll always drop the Fang Boar Helm if none of them have done so already.
>>333416124
isn't SOFTS kinda cheap when it goes on sale? it's a fuckton of content and even if I'd say it's content isn't on par with most of DaS1, it's more consistent in quality, generally speaking, and the DLCs are great
>>333405398
The rule is you can only reinforce a weapon 15 times.
Up until Seath I didn't know I had this thing during my first playthrough, everything became stupidly easy.
>>333405710
You'll get to a +5 BKS way before a +15 claymore. By the time you get to O+S you SHOULD have met the giant blacksmith who sells you twinkling titanite so it's really easy to get it to +5 right then and there. (Also silver knights are super easy to kill and drop a lot of souls so even if you had to farm it would only take 15 minutes or so)
What's the equivalent weapon or build for SOTFS? I just want to cheese my way through the game as fast as possible so I can focus on DaSIII.
>>333416912
This one has some fun animations, even compared to the Black Knight Greataxe
I missed the retard one-hand twirly-swing the halberds could do in DaS1 but not in DaS2 (where everything was too samey)
>Get Lightning Spear
>The game is now over
>>333406281
Saw cleaver is shit thou
OP you need to figure out how scaling works. Your build is probably not set up to scale properly
>>333409041
There was only one in DaS1 as well unless you farmed New Londo. They're supposed to be challenging to get unlike in DaS2 which gives them out like candy
>>333418003
Sometimes you dont need to scale in builds. Just punp your END and VIT up and use whichever weapon you can.
>>333403621
It's good because it has incredible base damage for how early you can get it if you're lucky, stat requirements are low, twinkling titanite is everywhere so its very easy to upgrade it and its damage spikes up higher per upgrade vs normal upgrade path.
On my last playthrough I got lucky and it was the first time I had this thing drop for me so I tried it out. I couldn't believe how easy it made the game. In general the early game, especially when you're a new player, is the hardest part of any Dark Souls, but this weapon trivializes everything. When I'm rusty even I can get fucked up by gargoyles, but this thing just 3 hits the first one and literally 1 shots the 2nd with a jump attack provided you've been upgrading it.
>>333418254
stray demon and sieglinde, you mong
>>333417110
>cheese
Sorcery. Wear binoculars and get a script that makes a reticle appear on screen. You can now snipe most enemies.
>>333418254
There were two in DS1
>>333417110
What even is SOTFS?
>play dark souls 2
>get demon great hammer at the start of the game from the crows
welp
What the fuck is the difference between Enchanted, Magic, and Divine?
I was always to stupid to figure out how magic/miracles/pyromancy worked in DS1 so I just did pure strength.
>>333419034
Enchanted adds your INT to weapon damage. Magic adds INT to scaling, and Divine adds Faith to weapon damage, if I remember correctly.
None of them are particularly useful, though it can be useful to have a Divine weapon in Catacombs as the undead will not respawn if you kill them with a Divine weapon.
>>333405038
Just grind out a set and do it in NG+.
>>333403621
Halberd and Greataxe are both hugely better.
>>333418894
Man I love the Demon Great Hammer, whenever I roll Knight I count on it popping up and I always roll Knight.
Drakekeeper's Great Hammer is a clear upgrade though.
>>333418867
It's the DX11 re-release of DaS 2, it comes with all the DLCs, more room for invaders/summons, re-worked areas and npc invaders who aren't wimps.
>>333419034
What stats they draw power from.
>>333403875
>muh balance
Play Dark Souls 2 then, faggot. Oh wait you don't like Dark Souls 2 because everything plays the same because IT IS BALANCED.
You people are everything that's wrong with modern videogames
>>333404612
Dark Souls balance is basically
>Fun/Cool stuff -> Probably subpar performance, either in pve or pvp (or both)
>Boring a plain weapon -> Extremely practical
There are exceptions of course. I just farmed for a ghost dagger to use as my offhand and much to my dismay discovered it's like the worst fucking dagger in the game; no scaling, piss damage, no bleed building, no nothing other then a terrible gimmicky moveset - and it's a rather plain looking dagger.
>mfw after doing like 50 farming runs to new londo just to find out it's complete garbage
>>333417110
just 2 hand the mace and use the large club level up hp and that's easy mode
>>333417412
What? that weapon is awful
>>333416412
Any pics of her pissing into Estus flasks? I used to have a collection of them but I think I deleted them when I was seeing this girl last year.
>>333420646
It's basically the weapon chumps who use the Drake "turd on stick" Sword pick up.
>>333416412
but the game is shit
>>333420747
>deleted them
why?
>>333419912
soulsniggers are whats wrong with modern games
>>333420961
I make poor decisions.
>>333405398
Wait, so does this mean if I've upgraded my weapon past +5 I can't add divine magic or fire to it?
And what's the difference between normal and raw?
>>333421148
Whoops meant +10. My claymore is +10 at the moment.
>>333406224
reduces scaling by ~13%, increases base damage
overall equivalent to a +12 weapon
worthless
Should I go vanilla +15 Great Club or go elemental? Not really sure what I'm doing with this build, but I know I want that Great Club
>3 hit Capra with +5 and lightning resin
>>333417836
kill buscemi then
How's the silver knight straight sword?
http://strawpoll.me/7299214
>>333421945
Should you go vanilla +15 Great Club or go elemental? Not really sure what you're doing with your build, but I know you want that Great Club.
>>333421945
Normal path, pump strength
>>333403621
>even the other BK weapons are shit compared to it
I can understand the ultra greatsword due to how fucking slow it is, but the halberd and the greataxe are one of the best weapons in the game. The axe in particular is fantastic for STR builds. Great base damage and scaling, plus the 1h moveset is fast as fuck considering it's a high STR weapon and hits in a very wide horizontal arc, making the weapon perfect for PvP or killing large groups of enemies in PvE.
>>333422115
Absolutely good, one of my favorites
>>333406281
>Saw Cleaver deals more damage than Hunter Axe
Lying cunt
>With it open I can wreck groups of humanoids
Tricked saw weapons are complete shit though, they're basically intended to be R1-L1 machines where you finish your combo with a transform attack and then fold it back to carry on spamming
>>333421945
Elemental is really shit, except on specific fights and with specific weapons m8.
I'd do +15 all day, tbqh you'll do insane dmg.
Dark Souls 1
End: 60
Str: 60
FaP Ring
Havel Ring
Havel Set Without Chest
Bloodshield
Large Club+15
Darkmoon Blade
Power within
Can be extra buffed with Red Tearstone for Final 30 Seconds of PvP and Hit 2 Handed about 2500 Damage.
Dark Souls really does have a lot of cool weapons if you look outside of greatswords
>>333422665
I also wanted to Mention that you fastroll with 74 Poise.
>>333422883
and with soul's 3 weapon arts there will be even cooler weapons
although I don't see the weapon arts being used much
>>333423043
I like the halberd one that's just a mad rush but that might lead to fuck ups like falling off an edge with your target.
>>333416124
DaS3 will be the first das I don't play day one... feels bad.
>>333421249
you can get a blacksmith to downgrade a weapon that the element that he can upgrade with
>>333423043
The greatsword with an anchor off-hand is going to be great for getting past blockers thanks to the wicked mobility during it's weapon arts.
trick weapons were a mistake
>>333425423
This post is a trick weapon.
>>333425491
I haven't pressed L1 yet so you can't prove that.
>>333425565
>yet
EVERYONE GET DOWN
>>333426583
calm down bro, I just raised my shield.
>>333414101
You can get the Halberd within the first 10 minutes of the game.
Some players will just delete their character and start over if it doesn't drop.
>>333403621
Exact same thing happened to me. Kind of ruined the challenge. Still pretty tuff game but, I didn't have as much trouble beating it as I would have. This sword essentially lowers the difficulty level of dark souls.
>>333426845
Recently started playing DaS1 again, managed to get the Halberd to drop as filler until I could get a BKGA. It didn't drop and my vigor drained instantly. It also didn't help that the boar helm wasn't a drop either, so I couldn't be the Boarbarian.
>XO just got BC with this game
>gonna replay it for the millionth time just to do it on a different system
what should I do this playthrough? ive done just about everything
