MGS4 > MGSV
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Can we finally agree that MGS4 was better MGSV /v/?
mgsv must be pretty bad huh
>>333379995
5 has better gameplay, by a long shot. Storywise, I agree.
>>333379995
MGS is an overrated mess of a seried plagued with mediocre gameplay and fiddly controls, a terribly cheesy bad Bond parody of a plot, and literal gimmicks to mask the lacking content in the series.
Even Portable Ops is better than MGSV.
Skip all the cutscenes in MGS4 and you get a really decent game. Chapter three is still the worst, but also now the shortest chapter of them all if you know what you are doing.
Don't know if you say the same about MGSV.
>>333379995
MGS4 killed the series for me (and anime at the same time.)
>>333380165
came here to post this
>>333380310
Congrats
MGS4 is all cutscene with a little gameplay sprinkled in.
MGSV is the complete opposite.
4 had no filler like V, and V removed some pretty fun mechanics, but overall I think V had better gameplay.
4's story actually tied in the series proper which was nice, but it was in desperate need of editing. Nostalgia wank only goes so far.
No character in Guns of the Patriots was as good as Kaz.
>>333380165
>MGS1
>dominant genes=good
>recessive genes=bad
>identical twins that don't have identical genes
Kojima's handle on science was so bad.
>inb4 retcon
>>333380438
>Kojima's handle on science was so bad.
It was Liquid's false preconception that dominant genes and recessive genes are good/bad. Also they are not identical. BB's genes were re arranged.
>>333380438
The story is dumb at times and if you don't like it that's fine, but to actively not pay attention is pathetic.
They used the words "superior" and "inferior" when talking about the genes, not dominant and recessive. They never used the latter. It was always about the "soldier genes" (kek).
>>333380438
im pretty sure kojima meant alleles
>>333380594
Retcon.
>>333380438
Your handle on simple comprehension is bad.
>inb4 bait
>>333380419
>MGS4 is all cutscene with a little gameplay sprinkled in.
this is literally a meme that has been shot down so many times. the gameplay to cutscene ratio is fine for a mgs game.
>>333380227
>but also now the shortest chapter of them all if you know what you are doing.
dark souls can be beat in under an hour. you are shitting on the most inventive chapter of the game out of stubbornness.
>>333380691
>Retcon.
no
mgs4 is actually fun
it's non a repetitive bland mess
>>333381019
This desu
>>333380857
>you are shitting on the most inventive chapter of the game out of stubbornness.
The observation part is fine, but the motorcycle part and the boss are the worst thing about MGS4 when it comes to pure gameplay.
>MGS fans are finally beginning to realize how shoddy MGS actually was as a series
It only took the series' death for them to actually sit and think about it for once.
>>333380857
>this is literally a meme that has been shot down so many times. the gameplay to cutscene ratio is fine for a mgs game
Shot down by whom? You can beat 4 far sooner than the others, cutscenes excluded.
Think back to the actual game sections. Act 1 and 2 are pretty good; there's a few zones of combat and a rail shooter section. Act 3 slows things down, has a few screens of stealth and another rail section. Act 4 is decent with actual stealth and interiors but also short. Act 5 is not even an Act.
I love the game for what it is but I just wish there was more to it. It's not just about the amount of gameplay, though. It's the way it's presented. The pacing is so off. A 10 minute section of input shouldn't be sandwiched by two 10 minute cutscenes.
>>333381332
>I love the game for what it is but I just wish there was more to it. It's not just about the amount of gameplay, though. It's the way it's presented. The pacing is so off. A 10 minute section of input shouldn't be sandwiched by two 10 minute cutscenes.
You are absolutely right.
I rarely say this but MGS4 would have benefited immensely from DLC. Something like the VR missions.
>>333381374
MGO2 was fucking godlike, it also had some VR-like assets in the training mode thing for it, I don't know why they never used them to make a vr mode for the unique characters.
>>333381332
>Shot down by whom?
numbers.
>>333381672
Unfortunately I got to MGS4 too late to play MGO2.
>>333381374
I would have loved some side-stuff. What I like about V is that I can hop in and out of the game at any point and try out all it has to offer. Any weapon, any mechanic, etc. 4 had some awesome and detailed shit to do, but you only really had a few occasions to do it.
4 felt like an attempted response to everybody bitching about answers. 5 felt like a similar response to everybody bitching about "too many cutscenes, not enough gameplay"
Fans ruin all things.
No, we can't.
>Vamp being a bisexual, break dance fighting, not-vampire.
>all the characters getting paired off for no reason cuz end of series
>sunny being an annoying shit character
>game is good for like 3 acts then goes to shit
>insanely forgettable bosses with bland back stories
>awful fucking motorcycle chase sequence in a stealth game
>non stop fan fiction tier referencing to old games
>nanomachines son
>nonstop retcons
>outer haven level is one of the worst things in the game
>giant load times and installations between acts
>physcho mantis appears for ???
A real fan would see how awful this game is and come to appreciate how the more grounded approach of TPP was a refreshing change of pace. Just because it's different doesn't mean it's bad.
The drop in quality of story telling from 1-3 to 4 is astronomical, it feels purely like Kojima went "okay how do I wrap all this bullshit up in one game" I'm a life long fan of this series and I replay it at least once a year and 4 and peace walker are easily the hardest ones to get through. It plays great, but the story is the most ridiculous fan fiction tier shit, which is telling because mgs isn't some high brow shit to begin with.
>>333381853
>>Vamp being a bisexual, break dance fighting, not-vampire
The only problem about this is the not-vampire part.
>>333380419
>No character in Guns of the Patriots was as good as Kaz.
Goddamned right
>>333379995
both are pretty bad but you are smoking
NO MGS4 was not a bunch of repetative tedious nothing missions
NO MGS4 was not a cluster fuck of plot despite what people say it rapped up EVERYTHING you needed to know of MGS up till that point MGSV just leave MORE questions and it's the "end" because there will be no more (you don't want anymore fucking MGS in a post Kojima konami)
No MGS4 didn't cut a 2/3 of shit in fact it added MORE shit in that considering the Koji vs Konami thing probably way over budget.
that being said no MGSV is shit it is a massive let down and Kojima and Konami would've been better off cancelling it and parting ways than releasing that abortion
>>333381853
>B&B Core forgettable
okay buddy, I think you need to take a chill pill.
>>333381853
>>awful fucking motorcycle chase sequence in a stealth game
don't most mgs games have one ?
>>333382095
Vamp from 2 is way better than vamp from 4. He went from being a faggoty mysterious edge lord that felt like a threat to a faggoty nanomachines Latino heat BR edge lord that dances while he fights, his cutscenes were laughably bad. Compared to 2 when you kill him, then see him get up, and see him running across water and wonder how the fuck you're gonna beat him. There was nothing good about him swaying his hips to dodge gekkos after him and raiden have a gay sexual innuendo sword fight
>>333382429
>not enjoying gay sexual innuendo sword fights while you try to shoot down a bunch of Gekkos
What a fag.
>>333382308
mgs1 and 3 did. But they held weight and were at the climax of their respective games. Liquid literally refuses to die, and volgin has lost his mind and is destroying his own base and men to kill you and Eva. The stakes are high and it's tense.
In 4 you get a 2 hour long exposition dump of retcons about the patriots, some references to how call of duty is making big mamas boys trained killers, and then you run from a literal who boss. It's not good.
That's not saying much though. MGS4 had few great things going on; one is that scene when Liquid Ocelot got surrounded by the military and he took them all down; second is, after all these years, finally being able to control a metal gear (having a metal gear vs metal gear fight was just a plus); third is, it really does explain well the stories and reasons behind every metal gear game until that point (like why The Boss had to die. While it does explain at the end of mgs3 why she had to die, in mgs4, it's for a different reason. One that was hidden).
Othan than that, it pales in comparison to MGS, MGS2 and MGS3. Every game else after 4 for that matter
>>333382671
And I forgot to add how they made Raidennone of the greatest characters ever. He wasn't just made to be a badass, he wanted to the end, help Old Snake.
>>333382647
The context is shit but it's still thrilling. Those flying things sweeping over you, Raven screaming, etc. It's the only part of that chapter I liked. It's also like half of it.
>>333382791
For some reason it controls worse than MGS1 chase scene.
Yes it was, but they are both still shit, really shit.
I liked MGS 4, but it still lacked a lot of stuff and had a lot of dumb mistakes. Like it had some memorable parts, but a lot of flaws as this guy said >>333381853
But a bit of the pandering was kind of nice I guess, and it did wrap this up.
But MGS V is just as shit, way worse then 4
It was a cool game-play system for a while, but once you realized it was the same shit in the same few places separated by a few heli rides it sucked. You felt like you were doing the same thing so many times in the same places for no reason at all, with the only difference being a couple of guards that say other shit.
You are given OP as fuck stuff and are expected to gimp yourself for challenge, which just makes things longer. The bonus missions were garbage as fuck and the main missions were lacking a severe amount of fun.
The 'bosses' were lame as shit and with 2 sniper fights. All in which sucked on extreme as most required shitty cheese strategies to win, especially for the bonus objectives. PLUS half the game had rehashed missions which were not fun at all.
The lack of story was crap, barely anything happened at all. It might as well have been called Metal Gear Kaz because he was the star of everything. Medic and Snake did shit all, maybe one cool quote but everything else sucked. I honestly would have preferred MGS 4 tiers worth of cut scenes instead of absolute nothing. Quiet has barely any reason to exist and Skullface just fucking dies from nothing after his rant which goes against what every other MGS has done to date. The whole hype on the game's story was supposedly Keither Sutherland's intense facial expressions that conveyed emotion, which there weren't any because they all got cut. You can see in the trailers all the missing shit. The entire story in itself didn't even need to exist at all, it does nothing for the overall plot. Plus the whole missing chapter 3.
They both suck ass but MGSV sucks even more.
>>333381853
>awful fucking motorcycle chase sequence in a stealth game
There was one at the end of MGS1 and Snake Eater
awful fucking motorcycle chase sequence in a
>stealth game
lmao
>>333379995
It shits all over V in a wide range of categories, including little shit you can do that V forgot to include (like being able to hang off ledges from a prone stance), and gun porn, but ultimately it boils down to taste.
Basically if you're allergic to cutscenes you prefer V. If you value the story and not mind the linearity and lack of an open world you prefer 4.
>>333385802
>playing 4 of you value the story
Is this a fucking joke?
>>333385919
Bad story is better then no story
>>333379995
Everyone just needs to admit it: Kojima is a charisma-less cuck, and needs to go back to doing what he does best. And that's channeling his inner Westerboo, know that his place is behind the scenes staying the fuck out of the spotlight, then apologize TO EVERYONE for making a fucking cop-out excuse to get Queefer Southernmen and his effeminate voice to spoil the iconic sound that is David 'The Snake' Hayter.
>>333386005
I completely disagree. How can you even think that?
I know that most MGS fans don't know what good gameplay is but jesus christ you really do blind yourself with the campy story.
2>>>POWER GAP>>>3>4>1>dog shit>5>pw
>>333386186
MGS V and MGS 4 had average gameplay. V had severe repition and 4 had not enough times to use it. As horrible as it was, having some shitty filth story was better then the nothingness that was MGS V's meaningless story.
>>333386416
>better then the nothingness that was MGS V's meaningless story.
What story?
>>333379995
That's not even a video game, it's a stupid movie
>>333386416
>>333386582
The story in the casettes and the cutscenes? V is like eating a half eaten big mac. 4 is like eating a buffet of dog shit.
>>333379995
They were both bad.
The series should've stopped with 3.
MGSV is repetitive as fuck and half baked. MGS4 is just amateur hour the game in terms of pacing and script and level design.
PW is just annoying
Never played PO but it looks like a basic version of 3 with the troop recruiting of PW.
>>333382860
This. Holy shit it's such a pain to turn around and aim and shoot in that sequence. Maybe because you're riding bitch on the back of a bike instead of a truck and inside of a giant city but it was frustrating
No, but MGO2 > MGO3 for sure
>>333387619
Shitting on my own hand and vomiting from the stench is better then MGO 3.
That game was so bad it was ridiculous.
>>333386582
The whole HUEY DID IT OR DIDN'T
Skullface and Parasites
Zero didn't do nothin'
African Refugees R' Us
Mute Naked Gril falls in love with the legend
Kaz and Ocelot the Odd couple
They more like vignettes honestly then actual story arcs. Well Huey and Skullface worked out in their entirety but it was weird.
>>333379995
It was better, far and away, than V.
V did have pretty much perfect gameplay though, but I never expected a metal gear game to have such a shit story.
>>333387745
My personal gripe with it is that it was all meaningless. Nothing played into the overall series story at all.
There was no big "so that's where it came from" feeling you might get from MGS 3. At the end of V everything is gone, Wolbachia, skull face, quiet, they all vanish. It all means literally nothing and has no impact on anything afterwards.
I mean I know the game was not planned from the begging like 3 may have been, but it still just griped me how there was all this info about things that really didn't need to be there. Why have all the codecs on Wolbachia if it got destroyed and no one will ever no about it ever?
Even the whole cloned Snake does nothing because he just conveniently fits into dying in MG 1.
MGS4 Raiden was the hottest though, he glowed tf up.
>pale skin, white eyes, white blood, muscle, ninja fighting skills, pretty face
To be fair he was still pretty in MGS2. But in Rising he just got bulkier and his face kind of aged or something.
>>333379995
I honestly don't get why people say MGSV had amazing gameplay. The controls and how the characters moved are nice but the levels and the enemies you fight are really really bland.
I know people say well you can do 101 different things instead of just sneaking but even then it's not fun because the bad guys and environments are very samey. I could knock them out with a sleep mine or trick them with a decoy or put C4 on them and watch them explode or sic DD on them but at the end of the day it's the same 2 or 3 Russian or African dudes that act and react the same as always in an open world environment that kind of inhibits your methods with unscaleable mountains or hills and tiny outposts
>>333386416
>MGS4
>shitty story
Wew lad. Pretty much confirmed for never liking MGS right here.
Guys, I need help, I'm worried my ps3 is dying. Lately games, particularly those on my hdd, constantly skip and stutter and have audio problems, huge load/save times. What can I do to fix this?
>>333389047
Get the slim model, phatty models suck shit since Sony can't into good hardware.
>>333389047
Sounds like a HDD problem rather than a PS3 problem.
>>333379995
The "previous game was better" meme doesn't really apply to MGS. It didn't work for 3, and it doesn't work for 4 either.
>>333379995
MGSV is better that MGS4
>>333389270
I have a slim model, it's about 4 years old now.
And I assumed it was a HDD problem, done a few 'rebuild system' or whatever it is, with no luck. The weird thing is, some gamed work perfectly. One Piece Pirate Warriors is perfect apart from some long save times, while Trails of Cold Steel constantly loads for minutes at a time.
MGS2 = MGS3 > MGS1 > MGS4 > MGSV
Not even playing desu if you don't like MGSV you're not a real fan of the series
MGSV is the second coming of MGS2 post modern storytelling that is lost on babbies mad they're not MUH BIG BOSS and the story isn't fan fic headcanon bullshit with fanwank like gray fox
V is amazing
>>333389004
It's goodif your headcanon cuts off after Snake kills himself.
>>333389904
I agree with this.
I've never been in a fan base I hate nearly as much as Metal Gear fans
>>333379995
MGS3=MGSV>MGS4>MGSPW>MGS2>MGS1
>>333390442
Perfect example of the cancer of the MG fanbase.
>>333390442
I can accept a lot but
>MGS1 at the bottom
Just no.
>>333389904
I want to be deep inside RAY!
>>333390442
>3 on top
>1 on the bottom
no
The Rex vs Ray fight is enough for IV to be better.
