> chaotic good rejects the law, for what they think is good does not match the law. If they succeed, they supercede the law and shed their chaos.
>lawful evil corrupts the law, manipulates the system and uses loopholes to achieve what they want. Machiavellian af. You can't say shit about legality, but they're in it to win it
>Lawful neutral obeys the law, but doesn't act to save it. Doesn't know if the law is good or bad, just gotta live your life
>neutral good knows the good in their heart. Sometimes the law is fucked up and should be fought against, but anarchy isn't the way to go. Might is right type who feels holy, will become Lawful good if given power but won't seek power. Will fight the law as chaotic good if Lawful evil becomes viewed as Lawful good
>neutral evil knows he's in it for himself. Fuck the law when it doesn't suit it, but hide behind it when it does. Isn't naturally leaning towards either side, just in it for himself, day to day.
>chaotic neutral is bashful fun loving and really doesn't care about anyone. Cares about his friends unless they insult him, cares about friends even if the murder someone. Only wants adventure and fighting and enjoyment.
>chaotic evil wants to fuck your shit. Cuz fuck you.
>true neutral is neutral. Neutral neutral. Doesn't care about the law, doesn't care about ambition, doesn't know if he's right or if he's wrong.
Come up with a better definition
>>333358763
D&D alignments are pretty shitty. Just give a basic description of your character and you're good to go.
>>333358763
>>true neutral is neutral. Neutral neutral. Doesn't care about the law, doesn't care about ambition, doesn't know if he's right or if he's wrong.
You're an idiot. You need to stop.
It's very easy to spot an idiot. They always fail to understand what it is to play a True Neutral character.
chaotic good is a free soul with a good heart
>>333359038
True neutral is along for the ride. It's every npc teammate that doesn't judge you. It's dogmeat.
Any other character falls into one of the other 8
>>333359189
Not him, but true neutral can actually have very strong beliefs. They just happen to be on the middle of the good/evil chaos/law spectrums.
>>333359451
The fuck do you believe? Sure a scientist/atheist could believe in something completely neutral, but what's your motivation?
How does believing in science motivate me anywhere?
>>333359624
It can really be anything.
You could have a character who wants to conquer the world, but isn't particularly inclined to build an orderly society as long as he's the ruler and treats the people he rules very well but cant be good because his goals are ultimately selfish
>>333359891
That's chaotic neutral turned Lawful neutral homes.
>>333360051
What? At which point is the "turn"?
I didn't even tell a story, merely a description with no progression of time.
The character didn't change.
>>333358763
>Chaotic Good
Robin Hood
>Chaotic Neutral
Deadpool
>Chaotic Evil
Kefka
>Lawful Neutral
The Sniper
>Lawful Evil
Hannibal Lector
>True Neutral
Heisenburg
>Neutral Evil
Advent
>>333361270
>>Lawful Evil
>Hannibal Lector
>>333361410
Lawful doesn't means "follows the common law", it means (3.5 PHB) "honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability" - following the law of a personal code of conduct.
>>333361964
>following the law of a personal code of conduct
That's the only thing that fits and if you want to use nothing but it, you'd call a fuckload of chaotic characters lawful.
>>333362142
>That's the only thing that fits
Except how a code of conduct implies at least one of the aforementioned values.
>you'd call a fuckload of chaotic characters lawful
Only CG and CE, who are - surprise surprise - motivated by codes of good or evil. Lawful means a code of conduct, not a code of morality.
>>333362596
How do you even differentiate a code of conduct from code of morality
Now you'll probably give me some stupid and incredibly specific definitions you just made up that no one would ever use outside of D&D alignments.
Your Chaotic Neutral and True Neutral are totally fucking off. The rest of them are so vague they hardly count as descriptors.
True Neutral is morally and legally ambiguous. It's not that they don't care, they just don't have a designated preference and act under any and all designations.
Chaotic Neutral does for himself. That doesn't mean he's fun loving, caring or otherwise. Chaotic Neutral exists to defy Law or shun codes and rules, be it good or evil.
>>333358763
>true neutral
>doesn't KNOW if he's right or wrong
Just like you not knowing what the fuck you're typing about.
>>333362753
Going by 3.5 PHB, a code of morality is concerned with the suffering of innocent life (sentient), while a code of conduct is concerned with personal reliability and consistency.
NG will lie to save an innocent life but avoid it elsewhere, LG will not lie despite wanting to save that life, CG will lie to save that life in addition to lying whenever they feel like it.
>>333362142
>>333362596
>>333361964
So how does it work if you go to another country where there's different laws?
>>333363932
If a Lawful character's personal code clashed with a regional law, it would depend on how much that code values authority, and how much the code values the conflicting element(s). If both are highly valued, the character would begrudgingly attempt to mediate some compromise, or leave the region.
>>333363932
>>333363581
It's not about codes and laws, it's about valuing order in society.
If a crazy ruler sets up a bunch of arbitrary laws that promote chaos and disorder, even a lawful neutral character might disagree with them.
>>333358763
Nearly everything you write is wrong.
-Lawful Good believes a well-governed society helps all people who live in that society and strives to uphold the workings of the law and uplift the people they can within it.
-Chaotic Good believes that Law or regimented social structure is a hindrance to altruism. Whether inherently corruptive, or a source of power for those that are uninformed or abusing it.
-Neutral Good believes that the actions of empathy and compassion superseded all. Sometimes laws are misguided but they don't believe the system is inherently flawed. This is a middle ground; imagine a doctor that lives his life in a city and takes pride in doing his work but is willing to break a quarantine and enter a sickhouse because believes knows he can treat the plague sufferers in it.
-Lawful Evil believes they can use the rules in a society to their advantage. Whether aspiring rule the nation, or content to run a slave gang mining silver: profiteering is more reliable than pillaging.
-Chaotic Evil seeks the overthrow of society, or at least seek to live outside the commonly held ordered societies. They see walls and rules as "the man" standing in their way to get what they want.
-Neutral Evil seeks self-serving ends however they can without adherence to law or complete aversion to it. They will murder an ambassador, steal his papers, and then they will lie about having diplomatic immunity after their next crime because the protection of law suits their interest at that time.
-Lawful Neutral believes in order. They either don't care about perusing personal gain through the law, or think it's more beneficial to society as a whole to make and adhere to rules.
-Chaotic Neutral believes in freedom. They may want to abolish the law but not just for their personal gain, or to liberate a victim class.
-True Neutral is open to interpretation but it also falls into a middle ground. Either opposing all extremes, or not holding to any stronger than another.
and yet this thread is still better than alignment threads on /tg/
>>333365251
I thought i had been on /tg/ the whole time, since i was browsing both boards and left this page open.
>>333358763
>Come up with a better definition
>chaotic evil wants to fuck your shit. Cuz fuck you.
Fuck off
>hurrrr durrr lets argue over definitions 40 years out of date and 15 years out of relevance
Copy pasted, mind the formatting.
These brief summaries of the nine alignments
describe the typical behavior of a creature with that
alignment. Individuais might vary significantly from
that typical behavior, and few people are perfectly and
consistently faithful to the precepts of their alignment.
Lawful good (LG) creatures can be counted on to do
the right thing as expected by society. Gold dragons,
paladins, and most dwarves are lawful good.
Neutral good (NG) folk do the best they can to help
others according to their needs. Many celestiais, some
e10ud giants, and most gnomes are neutral good.
Chaotic good (CG) creatures act as their conscience
directs, with little regard for what others expect. Copper
dragons, many elves, and unicorns are chaotie good.
Lawful neutra I (LN) individuais act in accordance
with law, tradition, or personal codes. Many monks and
some wizards are lawful neutra!.
Neutral (N) is the alignment of those who prefer to
steer e1ear of moral questions and don't take sides, doing what seems best at the time. Lizardfolk, most
druids, and many humans are neutra!.
Chaotic neutral (CN) creatures follow their whims,
holding their personal freedom above ali else.
Many barbarians and rogues, and some bards, are
chaotie neutra!.
Lawful evil (LE) creatures methodically take what they
want, within the limits of acode of tradition, loyalty, or
order. Devils, blue dragons, and hobgoblins are Jawful evil.
Neutral evil (NE) is the alignment of those who do
whatever they can get away with, without compassion or
qualms. Many drow, some e10ud giants, and yugoloths
are neutra I evi!.
Chaotic evil (CE) creatures act with arbitrary
violence, spurred by their greed, hatred, or bloodlust.
Demons, red dragons, and orcs are chaotie evil.
>>333366208
So they updated their definitions into being even more stupid and arbitrary.
Cool.
>>333367343
Stupid and arbitrary because they have literally no effect on gameplay nor limiting your roleplaying. It always has been just another way you signal the kind of character you want to play. It's a convenient shorthand that tells you the CG Rogue is a Robin Hood type where as the LE Rogue is obviously going to try to backstab you eventually and then throw fit when it doesn't go according to keikaku.
It's always been you casuals and fake gamer guys who only have a surface understanding that have complexes over this bullshit.
lawful - conservatist
chaotic - idealist
neutral - pragmatist
evil - malevolent
good - benevolent
>>333368472
Shitty players have always existed, and since the dawn of AD&D violating your alignment tenants have been the DM's go-to for shortchanging player's characters. These arguments were so common a decade ago WOTC got rid of Chaotic/Neutral Good and Lawful/Neutral Evil and all but one Neutral in 4th ed. But we all know how that went.
