How do you balance this guy?
stop making 7+ str cards
by playing a better card game instead
>>333306235
Destroy a minion that was not played for its normal mana cost.
Make other removal cards, and cards that can prevent destruction effects
deal 5 damage to a minion with 7 or more attack
>>333306581
i actually really like this idea. makes it still a powerful removal tool without being a batshit insane tempo swing.
remove it from the game
the range is way too broad for a neutral
I GOT THE BEAST IN MY S8S
why the fuck do people say remove it from the game? are you just supposed to be fucked when your opponent drop a monster on the board?
4 mana 4/2
Your minons with an Attack of 7 or more have +1 attack
>>333306771
and that's exactly why it'll never see the light of day
blizzard will either make the card unplayable or not touch it
>>333307019
each class has their own set of removal
this neutral card is better than most of them and puts a 4/2 on the board for 3 mana
>>333307019
Can you not see how hard a fucking 3 mana FUCK YOU to any form of late game limits design?
>>333307019
http://bmkgaming.com/the-problem-of-big-game-hunter-ive-got-the-fun-in-my-sights/
>>333306581
I like this because it fits with the other neutral dwarves doing a set amount of damage too.
I definitely think cards should have more of a theme together, hearthstone often feels like they make a card manacost and stats with a shit ability and then stick a portrait on afterwards.
>>333306235
2/3, 4 mana.
Boom.
>>333306235
Lower the stats. Make it a 2/2
>>333307501
you think this changes anything? It still limits design space in exactly the same way
>>333307019
Compare BGH and this.
>>333306235
You don't
It's absolutely atrocious card design and only a symptom of the reason why Hearthstone is gambling-addiction inspiring horse shit
>>333307058
FUCK
>>333307660
BGH is an epic which has the potential to kill a minion and that is a free card which always will do damage
>>333307058
I really like how you maintained the soul of the card
>>333307739
Or make the Giants a tribe and make it "Destroy a Giant".
>>333307739
>now instead of being limited in the type of 7 attack minions we can make we are limited in the type of dragons we can make
>>333307864
So what you're saying is big game hunter is better because the goyim need to spend money to get it
swap his effect with Hemet and make him a common
>>333307864
oh my fucking god how can somebody actually be this stupid
>>333307864
Rarity doesn't matter.
A 5 mana 4/2 that deals 2 damage vs a 3 mana 4/2 that destroys any 8+ mana card and some more. That's retarded.
>>333308002
>>333308086
>>333308091
dude asked for a comparison, I stated a comparison. I technically wasn't wrong
>>333308091
>rarirty doesnt mater
>in a card game
Kek
>>333307970
That's like saying Kezan will stop secret decks because every player would run it.
>>333306235
>play a really fun card
>it has 7+ attack
>bgh comes out
>mfw
>>333308338
It does and doesn't, in hearth there's no limited amount of prints, anyone can get the card by dumping enough money in.
>>333306235
>Deal 7 damage to a minion with an attack of 7 or more
Fixed.
>>333306581
Why not making it deal 7 damage instead? It still kills 7 mana minions like Dr. Boom, but needs one more damage to kill things like Ragnaros. Bam.
>>333307660
>play against a deck with no +7 attack minions
>does nothing
>have a +7 attack minion on your board
>can't play BGH without killing your own minion
>>333308360
Kezan doesn't see play because there's several classes with no secrets. If every class had a set of secrets she'd be in every deck.
>>333308338
rarity is only relevant to how often it will show up in arena
>>333308360
you see a lot of secret decks that aren't secret pally around? Because kezan is terrible if all you're doing is stealing a 1 mana secret
make its effect a deathrattle
Switch his battlecry with Hemet
just make his manacost higher wtf is the problem?
>>333308652
literally this
>>333307338
I dont, can't you see youre fucking retarded and should go kill yourself ?
>>333306235
Destroy a big guy.
>>333308656
>it's the fucking rarity
BGH dies as well if it's effect activates.
>>333306235
His hands are five times larger than his head, what the fuck
>>333308793
Yeah cool down your hostile boner, they said themselves BGH limits design.
>>333308750
Wait, ben brode is that you?
>>333308903
This, and make his mana cost higher, or lower his stats.
>>333308854
>rarity
>>>/mlp/
>>333308903
May as well be a spell at that point
>>333308854
Can't believe you got baited by that shit
>>333309012
Still alive ? doing a knot too hard for you ?
>>333308854
>Rare Pepes
>>>/r9k/
>>333307660
You don't know anything about hearthstone if you are unironically comparing shit classic cards to meta cards, blizzard keeps bad cards in the game and releases stronger ones on purpose.
Destroy adamagedminion with 7 or more attack
Alternatively, make him a 1/2 with Charge and Battlecry: Set the health of a minion with 7 or more attack to 1.
>>333306235
>>333306235
Battlecry: Destroy a minion with an Attack of 7 more. BGH takes damage equal to that minions attack.
Now it's a slightly worse neutral SW:D but doesn't break the whole no neutral spells thing and also allows for no battlecry tempo plays.
>>333308656
>>333309052
I'm going to go play Pokemon XD now. Just wondering if you had any thoughts on that.
Where is the problem?
BJH looks like one of the most essential P2W-limiting cards in the game.
>>333306235
Battlecry: Destroy a Giant.
>>333309217
>Backstab
>BEES IN MUH SITE
>Switch battlecrys
Make a legendary worth its goldness
>>333309306
classes already have plenty of removal nigga
this removal is better than class removal and that's wrong
>>333309306
*BGH
>>333309363
Yes, and? It'd at least mean you have to spend 2 cards to kill someone. I don't want to make it completely worthless.
>>333309417
but gvg is rotating out retard
>>333309417
but people already run one BGH only
now instead of running BGH they run this, the only difference is now only the rich get to have an OP card
>>333308532
It also depends on how much you will see shitty dick secret decks on the ladder, if you played in china, they run one in alot of their decks
keep it
>>333308532
Yes, and not every class uses dragons. Your point?
>>333308572
And how many dragon decks do you see around?
>>333309363
>whirlwind execute
>>333309530
Not even rich, rich or lucky*
>4/3
>Battlecry: Destroy a random minion with an Attack of 7 or more.
>>333309656
And I won't see any more ever if your effect is in play
right now a lot of decks intentionally don't use minions that have 7 or more attack purely because of BGH
>>333309758
No thanks. I don't think that fixes the real issue.
>>333306408
Underrated post
>>333309960
Makes it a risky play if you have your own large minions I guess.
>>333306235
Play Ysera as win condition.
>>333306235
Battlecry: Add Mark Target to your hand.
Mark Target: 3 mana spell,
If you have Big Game Hunter in play, destroy a minion with an Attack 7 or more.
>>333310004
There is no better online TCG. Hearthstone is a bad game, but it's literally the only game worth playing in its genre.
I've been legend multiple times, spent over $300 on it and play regularly. I've also played MTG in real and I know that Hearthstone doesn't hold a candle to it. Unfortunately, MTG:O has the worst client I've ever seen, it's literally unplayable.
Remember: for a card to be playable in Hearthstone, it needs to either be the "best" card for its slot or have enough RNG bullshit behind it to warrant using it.
I.E. Dr. Boom is THE best 7 drop at the moment.
Just like Piloted Shredder is THE 4 drop. Etc.
Getting cards that actually compete for those slots is almost impossible since there are little details about each card that make or break them in terms of that "best in slot" rule.
>>333308652
but hemet is getting rotated out of standard
Instead of battlecry, make it trigger at the start of your next turn
I guess change stats to compensate
what do
>>333310206
How does that fix it? All that does is make it better in Rogue.
>>333310297
HELLO
HELLO
HELLO
![mKZ7ih2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hOD7AtJ.jpg "mKZ7ih2[1].jpg")
Did somebody say large minions?
>>333309530
>>333309686
5 mana 6/3 is MUCH worse than 3 mana 4/2
people would run hemet instead of BGH but it would be a much weaker card than current BGH
>>333310297
>>333310297
Ignores Taunt, cannot attack for three turns.
>>333310214
Yeah I'm in the same boat bro got legend with handlock forever ago but it will never beat magic. MTGO is trash
>>333309417
this. It rewards people with extensive collections for not dusting one of the worst cards in the game, hard limits the number you can get to 1, makes it rarer, and removes it completely in Standard
>>333309204
But BGH isba shit classic card. Nobody was using it until Dr Boom came out . Except maybe druid.
>>333310358
>6 mana is the same as 3 mana
>>333310518
My bad. I read "Mark Target" and instantly thought "Hunter's Mark" = 0 mana.
>>333306235
someone made a neat suggestion of switching BGH's battlecry with Hemet Nesingwary's battlecry.
Now it's balanced.
>>333310403
it'd be less of a tempo swing you're right, but it would still be a huge one
>>333310480
statwise it's not bad, 4/2 with 2 damage for 5 on the other hand is just bad value
>>333310391
Please tell me that this isn't fucking real.
>>333306235
He is balanced you manchild, a priest gets to kill a 5+ minion at the same mana cost, but no body.
>>333309882
You're misunderstanding the situation entirely. The issue with BGH is that "7 or more attack" is extremely common. Basically any deck that plans to reach turn 7 can play a 7 attack or higher minion. Dragons on the other hand, are not played by every deck, and the most common dragon, Alexstraza, is already BGH-able anyways. BGH is so common because it always has a target, it's shit if it doesn't. By making it so BGH can only target dragons, no one will play it unless if they're explicitly targeting dragon decks, which are a tiny percentage of decks on ladder, and playing a vanilla 3 mana 4/2 is total shit, so no one will play it unless if they're teching for a specific player.
>>333310728
It is real. What's wrong with it? It's mediocre at best.
>>333310206
I like that idea, but the "if you have BGH in play" clause makes it unplayable.
>>333310728
It is, and it's completely terrible outside of some Ancestor's Call Faceless Manipulator shit.
>>333310206
>>333306408
You cannot escape me faggot, I have you in my sights.
>>333310781
and I'm saying that dragon decks will never amount to anything if you introduce that strong of a counter against it, if blizzard ever wants to expand on the dragon tribe
>>333310838
>not letting it target any minion so you can mill with it
>>333310728
4th card in the list.
http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/card-category/set/expansions/whispers-of-the-old-gods/
I'm sorry.
>>333310763
>a neutral card is as good as a class card in the majority of cases and also leaves a body on the board
>this is somehow fine
>>333310838
>spend a mana to get a mana
rogue has much better combo enablers
>>333310795
Just seems really fucking dumb, I mean there's pretty much no chance of pulling it off but if you do its pretty much GG without any real chance of coming back.
>>333310728
It's real and will NEVER see an attack phase.
>>333311000
Nice tips, but tell me one that "lasts forever"
>>333310728
why? requires you to waste two consecutive turns and have the thing survive, and even then the final result can just be invalidated by a neutral 3 mana drop
it's pure garbage
>>333311027
Let's face it. If you let someone get two 9/9 minions on the board it was GG anyway. It's like Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon all over again.
>>333311027
it's basically just like that card with mega-windfury. except that one at least had charge.
>>333306235
Stop making top value cards that make him necessary to play. I'm still mad that Dr.Boom and Shredder are never getting balanced thanks to the Wild.
"We want Murloc Paladin to be viable."
>Removes the best Murloc from Standard
>>333306235
Change it to Battlecry: Destroy a dragon.
>>333310889
Even when freeze mage was common in the meta, Kezan was pretty much never played. While you're right that the game doesn't need a dragon counter, there's no way it would stop people from making dragon decks unless if there was some ridiculously overpowered one that caused everyone to run two big dragon hunters.
>>333306235
I've got the beast in my sights
>>333311169
I don't think rogue has enough worthy battlecries to need a card purely for enabling them
>>333311258
Some cards are designed with Wild in mind. Like Keeper of Secrets.
>>333311298
It's pretty funny how the Dragon tribe did literally nothing for a few years.
>>333311258
But Anon. Murloc Knight is still in Standard.
>>333306235
Get the beast out of his sights.
>>333311258
The murloc paladin that sees play now and the murloc paladin that would use vilefin inquisitor are completely different decks.
But you're right, without murkeye both decks will be shit.
>"I'VE GOT THE BEAST IN MY SIGHT"
>doesn't kill a beast
>>333311365
Fair enough, this card also weakens Murloc Paladin, cause every one of those 1/1 shits that dies is another possible 1/1 on the revive instead of a Charge or buff Murloc.
>>333311530
The current Murloc Paladin barely runs any murlocs, except the exact one it needs for Anyfin. It'd be useful in a generic zooy Murloc Paladin.
>>333310821
I think the spell working by itself would be too little of a nerf, also thematically it wouldn't make much sense.
GUYS GUYS GUYS
I know we are talking about BGH here, but can you fucking explain to me why Sludge is considered OP in the same way Shredder and Boom are? Those cost less than their real value, but belcher is just a tazdingo + a footman, 5 mana, i don't understand.
>>333311027
>if you do its pretty much GG without any real chance of coming back
Polymorph
Hex
Shadow Word: Death
Entomb
something+Execute
Aldor
Equality+something
Siphon Soul
plus a bunch of cards people generally don't run (assassinate, deadly shot, humility)
>>333311603
Except that's overall worse than a generic C'Thun Zoo with Paladin, unless they unveil some completely broken Murloc card that's Paladin exclusive.
>>333311749
It kills druid. Recycle and naturalize are garbage
>>333308385
Who is this semen demon?
>>333311674
3/5 is good enough for a taunt to stop aggro decks in their tracks, since 5 attack isn't common on cheap minions, and having a 1/2 on death rattle makes it harder to use removal to easily push for damage, specially since 2 health doesnt die to ping.
>>333311674
because both of his minions have taunt which usually detract 1 stat from a card
but sludge belcher has 11 stats, which is top tier and due to its two part nature is super good at stopping aggro
>>333311674
because it trades much better with things than other taunts (most notably shredder) and requires at least 2 instances of damage to clear it fully. it is also pretty much ubiquitously run in the 5 slot for every non-aggro deck. it is just one of those cards that is *the best* for it's mana slot, which is annoying to see every game.
>>333311904
Then give druid better removal if it's a huge problem. They're rebalancing the classic sets already, things don't have to be designed in a vacuum.
>>333311904
druid isn't meant to have good removal
>>333312020
trades well against shredder, i mean.
>>333312083
Pretty sure they are killing force roar combo in standard
>>333310728
It's real and it's pretty useless.
If you can have two 9/9s on board by turn 10 you have already won the game anyway.
>>333311904
Recycle isn't bad it's just too expensive
What we need is to attach recycle onto a creature like Ancient of Lore, Keeper of the Grove or the new Mire guy who has Wild Growth attached
>>333312231
They're keeping it but nerfing the shit out of it.
>>333311061
You know there's going to be that one Trolden video.
>>333312483
It's even worse than that, because at that stat level what you're doing is making the threat simpler to remove for your opponent, because they pretty much need hard removal anyway
I'd rather have two 9/9s than a 30/30 any day
>>333308385
I don't like this meme, but you got me good, here's your +1
what is the Eldrazi of Hearthstone?
>>333312535
That's wayyy too overstatted for its effect. Especially for a neutral minion, what the fuck.
>>333308385
Ha ha ha, I recognize this meme
>>333312971
Recycle should be a 3 mana spell to be balanced though
It's virtually always worse than a polymorph, for example, and it doesn't even compare to 6-mana removal (entomb)
Ancient of Lore has a 3-mana spell attached (Arcane Intellect) and is a 7 mana 5/5
If recycle were to be attached to a Druid minion, it would also have to be a 7 mana 5/5 or equivalent
>>333313240
Ancient of lore is a class card.
>>333306235
Blizz will probably make it a 1/1 or something
I've seen Amaz suggest it cost 5
I've seen people suggest switching battlecry with Hemet's (destroy a beast)
I've seen the "deal 7 damage to something with an attack of 7 or more"
It's tough to unfuck a card like this, but I'd probably start with "Deal damage equal to attack to a minion that costs 6 mana or more" sort of a lightbomb one target kind of thing.
>>333308385
What anime is she from?
>>333306235
Change it so that it only works on BEASTS not just any minion.
Deal damage equal to the minions mana cost,
Theres your fucking balance
>>333310427
>>333310297
>people don't realize these are meant to be cheated with minion cloning
>>333313240
It's on par with polymorph. It'd be okay if it was a druid 4/4 for 7.
>>333313240
That's saying that all spells are created equal
having a draw spell on a body is nowhere near as terrifying as having removal on a body.
Putting removal on a body means it is a fuckinghuge tempo changer
The closest approximation you can get is stampeding rhino
5mp, body worse than a 4mp, effect a much shittier version of shadow word: pain.
So effectively it's a little bit more than a 3mp minion + 2mp for an effect worse than a 2mp spell.
What you're looking at is the midpoint between sap and entomb on a 4-5mp stat minion
Sap is 2mp, Entomb is 6mp
there is no way for that to be fucking balanced.
>>333310383
It's gone come standard
>>333310264
Exactly.
![I8KUXKPZSP3R1458754832347[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/c5YoP7W.gif "I8KUXKPZSP3R1458754832347[1].gif")
>>333312829
Old gods.
But they're weak cause mana cant go higher than 10
>>333313905
If you can cheat out 2 9/9's, and the enemy has no removal, you've won anyway.
>>333313240
>Recycle should be a 3 mana spell to be balanced though
Yeah, no.
>It's virtually always worse than a polymorph
If it cost the same, it'd be much better than polymorph in most cases. Generally, your opponent isn't going to draw the recycled card again, and a 1/1 can actually be threatening.
AoL is already OP, and will get nerfed.
>>333314091
You can clone the 9/9 and then the 30/30.
So the enemy needs to have two hard removals, and if you save this little play for when you know he doesnt, you win
>>333314454
You might as well play 2 Krakens. It's probably going to be more useful.
>>333314596
>2 7 health minions just as good in a control match up
Nah
By the way i don't think it's gonna see use in the end, i'm just saying cloning would be the best way to use this
>>333315376
The difference between 7 and 9 health is rarely gonna make much of a difference.
>>333315504
It's two minions with 30 health.
>>333316391
Why would you even clone the big guy? It doesn't have charge.
>>333316491
Because hard removal is limited and it essentially doesnt die to anything else.
>>333311000
that card would be really good, dunno what you're talking about
>>333314596
if you somehow manage to get 2 ticks of Thaurissan on the 9/9 and a Faceless Manipulator then you'd have it
>>333313240
Ancient of lore is broken and is only allowed in the game because it's a class card. Also because drawing cards doesn't give you much tempo, while this card would give you insane tempo and great stats.
>>333313240
>I don't understand class strengths and weaknesses
>>333316974
Yep, and if you got 2 ticks of Thaurissan on a Kraken and a Faceless you'd have 2 9/7's and 4 direct damage, which would also win you the game in just about every situation.
>>333316974
>>333317097
There's also the new card that clones only card text, you don't even need thaurissan.
>>333312535
would work as a 3/3
>>333317782
Yeah, and it's 6 mana, more than Faceless manipulator.
>>333317782
Wait nevermind you do need thaurissan if you want to get the 30/30 on the same turn, but that's too risky unless you know they absolutely dont have hard removal.
>>333306235
>that
>overpowered
This is what really needs a nerf.
>>333317850
Nevermind, i was thinking of faceless shambler to clone the 30/30
>>333318167
You have a 30/30 on the board, and presumably 10 mana. you do not need another 30/30 to win the game at that point.
>>333306235
>>333307019
The problem is it's too strong for it's mana.
It needs to at LEAST be a 4 mana if it wants to be a 4/2.
Alternatively it could be a 3/2 or a 2/4 with the same mana.
But a 4/2 with such a strong removal effect for 3 mana is fucking rediculous.
>>333306235
give Duelyst a shot, it's essentially got the exact same business model as HS
>>333311061
I could see it being a decent card for control decks. Basically if it does make it to attack phase you instant win. As per usual these decks just focus on exhausting the opponent's minions and removal cards.
Even if this card dies, the control player won't care they'll just throw down Ysera or something the next turn and once again you have to immediately kill the minion or deal with the consequences.
Once Standard gets rid of a bunch of cards there will probably be some open slots. At worst you have a 9/9 for 9 so you can contest a lot of shit with it.
>>333306235
>3 Mana
>BC: Destroy a minion with an attack of 7 or more
>1/3
>Taunt
There. It's a pure fucking support card now - basically a "please unfuck this situation for 3 mana" button, not a "fuck you hard and then this guy's gonna fuck you harder for 3 mana" button.
>>333318287
Of course you do.
If your enemy has an execute/sap/shadow word death/entomb and you have only one 30/30 you don't win. If you have two, you do win.
>>333318642
It forms at the end of your turn. The only time you could clone it is at the start of your next turn, and if you've gotten to that point you've already won.
>>333318287
>>333318642
Actually forget everything i said.
The card says "at the end of turn". It's even shittier than i thought.
>>333311674
Because it is a single card. For only two slots in your deck you get the top tier 5 drop in the game. It cock blocks aggro hard and it forces a silence or a waste in resources. Sometimes it can take multiple turns to clear and during this time you can do all kinds of shit. Even if you do silence it, it still is a 3/5 that can continue to contest the board by clearing minions.
I fucking hate Sludge Belcher and I'm looking forward to it being removed. It's just too bad they never try to nerf aggro whenever they nerf control. I can't believe Knife Juggler still costs 2 mana or is a 3/2. It's complete bullshit.
>>333310391
>>333310728
It's real.
It's also not that great.
If you're getting fucked by a 9-Mana 30/30 fusion, you've probably already been fucked by the 9-Mana 9/9.
Neither of these should ever even hit the ground in anything but a Shaman deck anyways, and they have way better options.
>>333311904
You realize cards that shift the meta will result in a shift in the meta right? Druid might run Naturalize if the meta calls for it. The reason why you never see it run hard removal is because it doesn't fucking need it.
It's just like how the push in aggro resulted in a lot of cards not previously played now being standard plays. Deathlord had a huge surge in popularity once aggro became really strong again.
>>333314454
Again, if you can clone the fucking 9/9 after dropping 9 mana on it and the opponent doesn't have an answer, they were fucked regardless of whether or not it's 9 attack or 30 attack.
>>333319139
I could see it working in Rogue cause of conceal
>>333318597
IMO That makes it better because now it removes a high damage card from your field and FORCES you to remove it
>>333306235
He's already being balanced by Blizzard refusing to make game changing cards have more than 6 attack.
>>333322006
I thought he was already being balanced by Blizzard saying that his ability will be changed due to limiting card design.
>>333307019
what a moron you are
you know that most of the late game big mana cards are not viable because they have to be bat shit crazy, because they are so easy to remove? and one of the reasons for that is bgh.
removing is wrong though
>>333306581
this guy on the other hand kinda gets the idea and is a better designer than the guys at blizzard
>>333322769
His response to that was >>333308793 and >>333309158
He's an idiot
>>333307058
ooooor 6 mana 1/1 destroy a minion and gain it's stats
>>333307058
You deserve to be hired on the spot.
