>Le "I hate romances" /v/ meme
Can somebody explain where this came from? Is /v/ just too underaged to have played Baldur's Gate 2 or something? Even one of the best written games, Planescape Torment, has romances. It was even handled quite decently with Alpha Protocol. I mean seriously, does /v/ have a problem with the way The Witcher handles romance?
If the first two Fallout games (my two favorite WRPGs) had romances, would they better games for it? Maybe, maybe not, but considering the quality of both games writing, it wouldn't have hurt.
So what's the deal, /v/?
>>333306206
Because most of us are mature enough to not seek out fake romances in virtual toys.
Besides, all of those are shit. Especially Biowares. They're all like a buffet with the possible candidates just waiting for you to pick them up and give them the D. "Wow! How realistic and well written".
The Witcher romance is at least not trying to hide what it is: blatant pick and choose fucking.
>>333306536
>most of us are mature
>>333306206
what's your name on codex fag
also Jaheira is best girl
>>333306536
>mature
>FAAAKE FUCKING TOYS I HATE SHIT ROMANCE IS JUST GIVING THE DICK THIS ISNT LIKE IN REAL LIFE
= /v/ really is too underaged to enjoy lovelife. games are boring to you if you dont see boobies in five seconds and get to kill somebody.
>>333306206
>I mean seriously, does /v/ have a problem with the way The Witcher handles romance?
The big problem has stemmed not from games like The Wicher, where it's handled fairly tastefully, but instead from modern Bioware games, such as DA2/I and ME2/3 where a huge chunk of the game is you seducing your teammates, to the point where that becomes all you're discussing.
>>333307093
Modern Bioware games are just shit in general though so there's nothing else to discuss. The waifus aren't even good either.
This thread again?
>>333306206
FIX THE FUCKING GAME HOLY SHIT I WANT TO PLAY FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>333307371
This thread again.
>>333306795
Viconia is my longtime waifu.
Love is a natural part of life. If the game is a roleplaying one, a romance wrote following the character's disposition towards its environment and the people that populate is ok as long as it doesn't take up more space than it needs to.
>>333306206
STOOOOOOOOP POSTING THIS FUCKING THREAD OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARDED LIMP WRISTED DICK SUCKING FAGGOT
>>333306536
>Because most of us are mature enough to not seek out fake romances in virtual toys.
So what's mature is seeking power fantasies in virtual toys.
>>333307412
The originals work just fine :)
>>333307412
>ask for fix
>it must be a gger
prepare to be banned for the beamdog force, white scum
Wizardry 4, Eye of the Beholder, Pool of Radiance, etc (real WRPGs) didn't have romance.
>>333307654
I'm already complaining at the forums and I didn't get banned
>>333307640
Can i play with my EE save on the original game?
>>333307412
Whats the problem? I play on newest EE 2.0 and it's all just working fine.
>>333307640
yeah, bloating scripts was my favorite part.
>>333306795
Who the fuck is that in the middle
Remove knife ears
/v/ doesn't have an issue with romance, they have an issue with badly written romance.
>>333307802
>try to save
>crash
ebin
>>333307791
just a matter of time
>>333306536
I actually like how the Witcher handles it. Geralt already has a shit ton of history with one of the waifus and it made for an interesting scenario to see pre existing relationships and I found it to be less awkwardly done as he has been with one of the woman on and off again for 20+ years. Much better than mas effect of meet and fall in love after 3 conversations.
>>333307937
is time considered matter? is it "real"?
>>333307852
There's 6 people though which middle do you mean.
>>333307791
I seriously doubt it will work. Importing from original to EE already has issues.
I don't mind romance subplots as long as they're optional and not forced in your face
BG2 did it right
Mass Effect series did it wrong
I play games to enjoy myself, not to indulge in some roneryfags twisted fantasy
>>333306206
No more games with romances like this. Ah... modern times suck so much.
>>333307914
Have you played on any mods since update? If yes, completely clear delete your BGEE folder and do a fresh install.
>>333308064
Sialogs were generallz immersive in BG2. Romances well written so well that it gave me blushes at some moments.
>>333308059
>that webm
wut
>>333308076
I never modded my game
I also reinstalled and tried on a new 2.0 save from start
>>333308225
Star Wars audition
>>333306206
Romance IS trash and BG2 was a step down from BG mainly due to fanfic-tier Bioware shit like this
People just don't like romances when they are done poorly. Also every character has to be bisexual nowadays...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a516asqvfR4
>>333306206
Romances, like any other writing in the Baldur's Gates, is embarrassingly bad. The difference between that and the romance in Planescape: Torment is that in Torment it's characterization for the preset main character instead of ego masturbation for the player.
Maybe you people here can tell me.
Will I miss out on anything if I play BG1&2:EE as opposed to modding old games.
I've no problem with modding or playing with old interface - no sweat of my back,
but I have seen some conflicting reports saying EE games are missing content and opposite saying they add content and fix what isn't fixed by mods.
>>333306536
Pretty much this. Also, makea new pasta OP. Or else, i promise you i wont reply next time.
>>333308676
>missing content
nice one.
>>333308428
good post
but i still want to kill anime
>>333308676
You won't miss on anything unless you want to download obscure old mods not updated for EE. Of course you also don't miss out on much if you just mod the old games too unless you want to play the new expansion.
>>333308229
Then its really weird. I have none of your problems for me game runs perfectly.
>>333308364
Thats just degenarate fruit of postmodernist ideologies. They also don't take historical background into the account. And that is a foundation of all medieval wrpgs
>>333308676
EE if you like HD, no problems running on modern pc/macs, extra content (like black pits or new quests) or you like to play BG with your friends. Also if you can play EE on mobile devices. Most relevant mods are compatible for EE. Also first BG is not so clunky on EE
>>333308884
touhou is not anime
>>333308784
Please don't meme - I was asking seriously.
There seem to be people with some kind of grudge against EE and it can be hard telling actual criticisms and shit-flinging apart.
>>333308676
EE used to be buggy shit, but they kinda fixed it
My main problems with EE is:
>Interface looks like amateur work
>New character models look WORSE than originals
>Bad modding support
There's no reason to play EE over the originals, they hold up perfectly fine with some minor mods
>>333306206
it's amazing, I come to /v/ once every month or so
and I've literally always found that thread
no matter the day or time.
It's like there's a bot recreating that thread everytime it gets down
Amazing really.
>>333306206
The Baldur's Gate 2 romances are shit, bruh.
>>333309085
That's very ignorant of history anon. In ireland they would fuck horses in the middle ages. Homosexuality was not a binary thing either.
>>333308050
there's five people.
you might need a doctor
>>333306206
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/jNvlpZzGkcE9vE-2IxNo6g/
>>333309338
Maybe I do
>>333308059
casting couch kek
>>333307852
The artist's OC. It's a shame, it's a very nice picture otherwise. Only Imoen looks somewhat awkward, but I can't believe Aerie looks actually fuckable there.
>>333306206
Who are these semen demons?
>>333309276
I had to specify myself then that the main inspiration that classic western fantasy draws from is medieval poems and art in general.
>>333309569
Aerie, Jaheira and Viconia. Best elfs you can get.
>>333306818
Way too miss his point faggot. Also
>really is too underaged to enjoy lovelife.
Ahahaha, enjoy your "lovelife"
>>333306206
Romance is so loved or hated in games because the characters you romance typically are just a simple conquest. Some people think that's enough and eat it up, and some people hate how much it reduces the content of a character to an object that is either had or not had.
To properly romance a character you'd have to write out a very significant amount of dialogue for them and attach a lot of events and personal tasks to them. You'd have to go through the proper motions of courting them not just a facsimile of it. This would take ages, and eat up valuable dev time bit the result would be a proper romance. Now you have to do it for five or six more characters to appeal to your demographics or else you end up having wasted that time on just a single character because their romance tree becomes a yes or no question, not a "let's pick from who is available or maybe actually just abstain after all."
The shorts of it: romance takes effort and thought to realize and it which is why books with good romantic subplots dedicate so much time to them. Games don't always have that luxury.
>>333306536
This is the pasta that should be posted as reply to OPs pasta
>>333309096
Well, there is no missing content in any way. No neeed to worry about that.
>>333309569
>>333309980
Sickening
>>333309096
Most of it is shit flinging but I should warn you that the new update broke mods for Steam and GOG. There's already a fix on Beamdog forums. Also I personally don't use the EEs but I might pirate them and try the expansion.
>>333309980
I wish the drawing was better
>that middle face
>>333310249
Could you link me this fix? I really want my mods back.
>>333310528
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/50441/modmerge-merge-your-steam-gog-zip-based-dlc-into-something-weidu-nearinfinity-dltcep-can-use
>>333310451
At least Jaheira has nice tits in that drawing
>>333306536
fag
There's nothing wrong with romances in games they're just neat little side things you can completely ignore. I bet if ToEE came out in this day and age /v/ would go ballistic over the fact you can marry a gay pirate even though it's not the focus of the game at all.
>>333310157
And akariot with similar faces is praised somehow here.
>>333312101
No one shall make a slut of my Viconia.
>>333312374
She's already a slut and a bitch
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/jNvlpZzGkcE9vE%2B2IxNo6g%3D%3D/page/1/
OP has posted this thread nearly 60 times and hasn't changed a thing. All the way since January it's been the exact same bait nearly 60 times and people keep replying to it. Gookmoot needs to implement something similar to r9k mode or ban cellphone posting.
>>333312374
You're a few centuries late.
>>333306206
No more romance unless done right.
If they're going to have romance, might as well give the opposite to cheat and sabotage romances of others. Afterall, if saving people is in games and the opposite (killing and destroying) is also obviously allowed, then there should be two sides of the same coin regarding romance. MCs should be able to cheat and get cheated on if they fuck up.
>>333312456
Vith'ir os riviin
Solaufein is the only good Drow
>>333313934
Like all based Elistrae worshippers.
Also you forgot about the drizzt meme.
>>333313001
You can cuck Haer'dalis in BG2
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/jNvlpZzGkcE9vE-2IxNo6g/
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/jNvlpZzGkcE9vE-2IxNo6g/
Pasta thread do not respond.
>>333314375
It's the only BG thread not about trannies although I suspect OP makes those threads too.
>>333314558
I always wish for a normal BG thread without tranny talk.
>>333306536
>Because most of us are mature enough to not seek out fake romances in virtual toys
Holy shit, you can't be serious.
>>333306206
If it doesn't add to the gameplay then I don't give a fuck about it. I'd rather the devs spend that time and money making the game a better game instead of writing bad romance scenarios.
>>333314116
He can also cuck you.
>>333314907
Same. At least NWN is free from this.
I'm not a 14 year old girl so I don't find romance centered plots interesting.
>>333315069
Good thing none of the games he listed in the OP were romance centered plots
>>333307640
>not entering every fight with Remove Fear up
u wot
>>333306206
death to elves u imperialist scum
>>333315231
That's the statue where you keep clicking on it and it keeps spawning spiders and ghosts.
>>333314942
>I'd rather the devs spend that time and money making the game a better game
You know they wouldn't do that
I know they wouldn't do that
Everyone here KNOWS that if you cut romances that the game wouldn't be better
So why post that?
>>333315069
>I don't find romance centered plots interesting.
Neither do I, but none of the games mentioned have romanced centered plots you fucking idiot.
>>333314942
This kind of logic is why we almost never get good cRPGs anymore. Because extra side features most people will never see aren't worth the effort.
>>333306206
Romance plots in fiction are for women and maybe effeminate guys, but nothing bores me more than the romance genre.
It's just incredibly boring and empty.
>>333315362
And? Getting a fear/charm immunity item to your Cleric should be top priority in any 2E game, having your party panicked and not being able to dispel it is TPK-source #1 at low-mid levels.
>>333315809
I do have one nigger suck my dick
>>333311108
source?
>>333315910
Then where is Remove Fear? :^)
>>333306206
I hate bioware like one's that poison the well and for how it fucks up a fan base.
Most ME generals were/are just sex pic dumps and wafiu wank offs and nothing else
Also because most game romances are shit, it's just "Oh anon you fulfilled my quest requirement and kept doing shit I like now we gonna fuck!"
It's just so haphazardly bad most of the time
The few games that do romancing to any good degree either remove all personal agency and you are roll playing a set person with wired personality and/or you don't control the romance at all
Humans are really complicated and this shit really does mess with young kids because then they get a retarded notion that this is how humans work, just do nice shit in your free time for them and they will fuck you for it as a reward. Or worse they get very sour grape about it thinking it be better if the world did work like that not factoring in how much that would fuck everyone's life including there own.
>>333306206
I've never played a game with good writing. Yes I like Metal Gear but it's essentially a joke to all other mediums, and the gameplay definitely takes a blow as a result.
>>333315992
in my spellbook
>>333316052
That's because ME is shit and there's nothing else to talk about.
>>333316086
Kojima wanted to make movies not games and it shows.
>Jaheira: Getting over Khalid, falling for you
>Viconia: Talk about her adopting surface life and why arent you a power hungry fucker, falls for you
>Aerie: Whines about her loss of wings, falls for you
>Romances now: I want your cock, then ill tell you about my life story.
As shit as the BG2 romances are, at least they made an attempt for it to lead from normal conversations about themselves.
I'm glad Fallout and Fallout 2 don't have romance subquests. The NPC interaction is incredibly shallow in those games, so any implementation of meaningful character relationships would be just as shallow.
>>333316334
Tandi is the only cute talking head.
>>333306206
I don't hate romances, but I believe there's a fundamental issue with them.
Namely, the Power Fantasy aspect of them, and that it tends to fuck over some character motivations.
Coming as a writer here. Pic related, for instance. As a concept, she's a red-headed, idiotic, loud-mouth thug with delusions of grandeur. She is not self-aware in the slightest, and honestly thinks she's hot shit, and will only think of dating her dream 10/10, tall, blond, muscular, billion are, bad boy, and nobody else.
It's in her character, and she'll probably not find love, but it's in her character.
Then another writer gave in their own romance sub-plot about her, and it got incredibly cringy when the Brotagonist, a ugly neck-beard with the personality of a rock said the equivalent of "HAY GURRL" for 10 sub-quests, and the entire goddamn universe and back-story went down the shitter to make this loser hook up with her just for the sake of "we need romances".
We even had a code that would recognize blond Brotagonists just for this occasion.
In certain respects, Inquisition did it right, in that not everyone will love you.
>>333316698
99% of RPGs are power fantasies though. Don't tell me you didn't feel like a badass once you got APA in Fallout 2. And now we get no sense of accomplishment or reward because PA is handed to you at the start of the game in Fallout 4.
>>333316242
All the more reason those games are bad and hurting the overall industry
/v/ flips it's shit when agenda based awful shit like Gone Home gets praise but are blind to their own manipulation but shit like Senran Kagura, DoA extreme and yes VN's and romance shit in games
Really sup par games that shouldn't have lasted as long as they have, are kept alive because of lonely retards
>>333309980
>>333317209
>>333315946
Check paheal.
i'm holding out for a thrikreen romance
gonna program my own vr module and hug a pile of car speakers for tactile stimulation
>>333316907
>And now we get no sense of accomplishment or reward because PA is handed to you at the start of the game in Fallout 4.
That summaries most romances in games
The journey is just keep talking to them/be around them, at most do a short quest line and then bam instant romance.
>>333317289
goddamnit, /tg/, now is not the time.
>>333317387
The romances in BG2 are pretty long though and things still happen afterwards. You can even have a child.
>>333317406
/v/ always claims to want exotic shit, but for some reason anything with more than four limbs is taboo
enjoy your elves and elf accessories
>>333317620
/v/ wants everything with dicks
>>333317406
Does /tg/ ever have BG or NWN threads?
>>333316907
That's kind of the point.
Romances exist just as a point A-point B route with no challenges, or outright walls to impede the player's progress, existing purely for the sake of story. Except it also fucks that up because the characters you're trying to romance have no say in the matter.
BTW, Broquest demo in 3 months.
>>333317868
They're generally in the category of so universally liked that there isn't much point in discussing them
>>333317530
That's why I said most anon
One challenging the rule doesn't undo the whole problem.
That the agency of it is still talk to them in between quests and it's still rather hard to fuck them up even without a guide.
why is it that, without a flaw, the best characters in bioware games are always the non-romance ones
>>333317880
>Romances exist just as a point A-point B route with no challenges, or outright walls to impede the player's progress
Savescumming
>>333317741
>forcing the gay meme
fuck off
>>333306206
I played Baldurs Gate 2.
I didn't romance, but I liked that the option was there.
I especially like that it wasn't thrown in your face.
Noticed in EE, even in bg1 the wild elf slut bascially throws herself at you.
Jarring.
stop making this thread
Bioware has never done a good romance sub-plot, you just talk at a girl a few times and suddenly you're hugging her in your underwear.
Romance sub-plots are only ever decent when the player is given nearly zero dialogue agency and both the player character and love interest are actually fleshed out. The MC in Mass Effect, for example, has all the personality of a wooden board
The player being able to pick from more than 3 girls is a huge red flag that every route is going to be boring, short, or half-assed. The recent Fire Emblems are a good example of this shit
>>333318126
Short of VNs I can't think of many if any games that you could fuck up the romance if you went after it.
Hell most are just grind till they like you more
>>333309980
Is that anomen in the back?
>>333318865
Irenicus disguised obviously
>>333306206
If I wanted to put with a big time waster for an imaginary waifu, I'd go >play a visual novel.
Shoehorned romances are the worst trite.
>>333319238
or you could play a good game with good waifus
>>333318865
Tavern cook or proprietor probably.
>>333309362
That reminds me of that fag spamming shit about his BioShock waifu every day of every week of every month.
>>333318843Imoen should have been the only romance option.
>>333314907
Yeah, fuck Corellon Larethian amirite?
>>333319728
>>333318978
Figured you'd have the entire set of romance options in one pic then.
>>333319495
All waifus are shit.
>>333318852
You can fuck up the one in the Witcher 3. It was funny to see how many people got btfo by it and complained cause they thought it would be like a bioware game were the girls would force you to choose one of them instead of just breaking up with you when they find out that you romanced both of them.
>>333318843
>you just talk at a girl a few times and suddenly you're hugging her in your underwear.
You're one of those people that never played BG2 then?
Even Viconia, the easiest one to fuck, takes about 15 separate conversation triggers before she does.
Comtrast that with, say DA:O, where you can get laid after a single conversation with Morrigan or Zevran.
>>333317620
>>333320168
delete this
>>333320265
>breaking up with you when they find out that you romanced both of them
That's fucking funny as shit.
>>333320436
It's a pretty funny scene and Geralt gets the forever alone ending when you beat the game.
https://youtu.be/zUDnP0P_A70
>>333306206
Do you actually post in these threads or do you dump all of your pastas then leave.
>>333309721
>the main inspiration
Not really no. I have read medieval lit and none of it feels like Chansons de Geste. You could say the Witcher has a lot in common with Carmna Burana.
Even when they bring up Arthurian shit, it's either an all out throwback to dark ages Wales, or it's full frontal Mallory, who wrote during the English Revolution, well after the middle ages ended.
A lot of modern fantasy tends to be deeply tied to Victoriana "medieval" shit either directly or by way of Tolkien and D&D.
And there were writers in those eras writing of very gay romances, I would point out that nobody outside of a few oxbridge crusties is shocked to hear that Shakespeare was bisexual, no matter how hard they tried to doctor his poems.
>>333320301
I'll admit I was primarily referring to their more recent titles.
The problem with romance in cRPGs, however, is that they're often made with the player character being nearly a blank-slate in mind. This inherent lack of characterization makes writing meaningful relationships between characters pretty difficult, as they have to accommodate for a variety of character-types while still allowing them to 'pick a girl'.
I haven't played BG2, would you say it suffers from these problems?
>>333320301
Not him, but 15 conversations is laughable. Not as bad as the full retard bioshit nowadays, but it's still fucking nothing.
Romance sub-plots are worthless unless both parties are estabilished characters. For a blank MC + some girl romance to be good, there needs to be an entire game's worth of interaction between them in my opinion.
>>333319959
Lloth tlu malla, jal ultrinnah zhah!
These are the most autistic threads on /v/. Why do people keep making them?
>>333320168
delete this now
>>333321336
I can only speak for the Jaheira romance but it correlates directly with the fact that you are a son of the Lord of Murder. You're not really a blank slate character in BG. Also there is a lot of romance dialogue and party banter and you can fuck it up pretty easily. Even if you ignore it you still have quests for party members you can choose to do like Anomen's test to become a Knight. A lot of things have consequences a good while after you made a choice which is nice.
>>333321642
The new portrait ain't so bad
>>333321384
Then lucky for you the game's romance spans the entire gameplay's length and not just 5minutes of back to back talking.
>>333321384
>Romance sub-plots are worthless unless both parties are estabilished characters.
This is why I feel that the romance aspect in the Witcher was decent.
>>333321967
I've never played Witcher 3 but in Witcher 1 and 2 you just did a quest and got free sex with a card showing the ladies diddies.
>>333321873
Its wonderful. I wonder only why my vickie is so angry now. Probably because of sjw bullshit that most drow would hate.
Posting some dwarf wisdom for now.
>>333321336
Not especially.
For the romance to work, you have to be role playing a certain type of person, and there's no indication if you've fucked up or not.
For example, Viconia and Aerie both give seemingly negative responses when you go down their path because you have to be the character that doesn't act like a doormat for their bullshit for the former, and getting her the harden the fuck up in the latter.
>>333321384
The whole point of Viconia is that she's easy to fuck but hard to form a meaningful bond with, since the majority of the romance is based past that point.
Also bear in mind that the romances aren't based entirely on trying to get in peoples pants; the majority of it is foundation building, and the gaps between them do a good job of making it not as simple as one day instant love.
In an unmodden game and without exploiting the pause glitch, it could take anywhere up to three months to complete a romance path in game.
>>333321932
No kidding. I'm surprised how long these romance subplots are. Jaheira hasn't even outright said anything about loving me and I've been playing this game for more than a month straight. I skipped a shitload of quests too. There's so much content.
>Wow, you like romance in movies/literature/anything? You must be a romantic yourself!
>Wow you like romance in videogames? You must be a basement dwelling loser who never experienced love!
EXPLAIN THIS SHIT
>>333307906
So all romance?
>>333322334
Yeah BG2 has a surprisingly long playtime if you do everything.
I think my first playthrough was roughly 90 hours.
>>333322383
Women don't play video games.
>>333321932
Don't pretend you don't know what I meant. The character banter was a fun thing, but it was completely irrelevant to anything (unless it was something like party members suddenly deciding to kill each other) and this includes the worthless ""romance"" events.
>>333306536
>Because most of us are mature enough to not seek out fake romances in virtual toys.
Good fucking LORD you are insecure as fuck.
>>333322431
I'm currently getting raped by beholders in the Underdark. I get why people consider this one of the best RPGs of all time it's a proper adventure.
>>333321384
Just counted, Jaheira has 39 conversations including the quests that are interwoven with her romance, but not including interactions with her that have nothing to do with it.
>>333322290
Drow have tradition of being very sexual and not certaintly having emotions liked to it. Sparking an emotion and starting a serious relationship is the struggle that bhaalspawn. Drow culture is completely different from human.
>>333317289
Fuck I'd be willing to take any game with thri-kreen in it at all.
We need more Dark Sun CRPGs
>>333306206
>Is /v/ just too underaged to have played Baldur's Gate 2 or something?
Were those your first, OP? Cause they sucked back then too.
>>333322431
Yeah, it's a truly massive game. Doing both + ToB is a fucking marathon.
>>333322528
You should have bought shield of Balduran. Then you equip it on Korgan and watch the slaughter. This shield reflects back beholder rays.
>>333322742
I debated buying it but I didn't because I had a decent shield already. Boy I was wrong.
>>333306206
>hop on /v/
>see this thread for the 100th fucking time
>instead of heading straight to page 10, people are actually replying and interested because of the shit storm surrounding the game
This has been an interesting week.
>>333322881
Funny enough this pasta thread is the best one we've had since SoD came out.
>>333322881
I'm just happy to have daily Baldur's Gate general thread.
>>333322065
>>333322065
I should have said the Witcher 3 when they added Geralt's significant other from the books back into the story since he didn't have amnesia anymore. They had been dating on and off for 15-20 years before the "died" and even adopted a child at one point so I thought the romance part felt natural.
>>333322714
>playing BG Trilogy full run
>currently in chapter 2 of BG2, having completed Firkraag, the Shadow Lord and Cult of the eyeless quests
>133 days in game time
I know most of it was spent traveling in BG1, but Christ alone knows how long it's going to be when I get to the end of ToB
>>333322152
It's probably because they can't get away with copying porn stars and actors nowadays for portraits.
>>333309759
>proving his point
>>333323067
Me too anon. It's not everyday I get to see one of my favorite RPGs surrounded in a firestorm of shitposting and genuine discussion. It's glorious.
>>333322529
I haven't pursued romance with Jaheira in my playthroughs (or anyone else really, I got a couple of events with Viconia and Aerie though) so I can't speak about the quality of this particular subplot directly, however, my point was that in order for blank MC x NPC character romance to be good, it basically would have to be big enough for someone to be able to make an entire game out of basically. I hope you get what I mean.
>>333322528
I never had any issues in the underdark.
Do your casters have summon spells or access to simulacrum/projected image?
>>333323209
I once 100% whole trilogy. Steam says it took me around 400 hours. Nothing weird comparing to the length and time i spend playing tabletop campaigns.
>>333323295
Beamdog's new NPCs are paintovers of devs photos. They never change.
>>333323634
I'm not high enough level for spell sequencers or tenser's transformation. I think I figured it out now with chaotic commands and resist and remove fear. I died a lot of times in that room with two beholders and gauths though.
>>333323906
You rushed underdark too early then desu.
>>333323906
you may have to use improved invisibility/AOE cheese.
A well timed Chaos can do pretty well too.
>>333323906
What?
Did you reply to the wrong post?
I didn't mention either of those spells.
>>333323958
A level too early then. I destroy everything in direct combat it's just the beholders can dispel my magic and spam their gay ass rays in my face.
>>333324115
4 fireballs did the trick.
>>333324123
those spells are the same level
>>333323382
Yeah, I get what you mean and I never tried to romance anyone either, although for me it was Jaheira's that progressed for a while as I simply couldn't shut it down. No matter what I did, no matter if I kicked her out, got her killed, it just wouldn't end. Must have been bugged. I had to edit my save file to finally put an end to itbut then it turned back on once I reached ToB. The horror.
That being said, looking at the dialogue files to me it seems this single romance has more dialogue than the entire main quest of BG1. So there's that.
And if we want to argue about length, I'm sure many romantic short stories exist even in high literature. It probably depends more on skill and delivery than length.
>the shows you watched as a kid had a qt in romace with one of the prptagonists, the protagonists completely ignoring her but she still in love
>you were in love with the chick
Happened too many times now i cant watch romance happen or it triggers my ptsd
>>333324326
BG2 felt like it had natural romance progression desu. It takes ages between romance dialogues and there's tons of them. And in 2015 all that matters is one speech check you can savescum in Fallout 4 to romance anyone.
>>333324481
Can't hold those feels.
>>333324552
For me it felt like real deep relationship thats demanding too. You can fuckup with viconia easly for example.
>>333324481
>tfw a girl liked you in highschool but you were too dumb to do anything or ask her out
she was cute too
>>333324167
It sounds like you're well on your way. The beholder lair in the Underdark is probably the hardest segment of the game without cheese.
Depending on the version of the game (and mods you're using) you can kill beholders/gauth pretty easily just spamming cloudkill through the fog of war.But only a bitch plays like that. You're not a bitch, are you?
>Spell Immunity: Necromancy
>Summoning cleric skeletons as fodder
>Berserk
>Cloak of Mirroring
All can be helpful. And of course,save scumming.
>>333324592
>>333324751
How do i cope with it /v/ros i used to enjoy innocent romance and it warmed my heart about 3 or 4 years ago but now that i browse 4chink daily it reminds me of my failure in love
>>333325053
I'm playing classic BG2 with the fixpack.
>>333325159
Cloudkill spam should work then. I think it's only SCS and Tactics that significantly buff their AI.
>>333325318I don't even have cloudkill lmao
>>333325159
You don't have Carsomyr?
I remember when you used to make this stupid thread every day. I hope you don't start again.
Romances always have been, and always will be, shit.
>>333324326
The thing is, in high literature there's no self insert blank characters. I clearly stated that character x character and blank x character are different.
>looking at the dialogue files to me it seems this single romance has more dialogue than the entire main quest of BG1
Not sure if I believe you, but in any case the story in BG isn't told just through dialogue, after all it's a game.
>>333325491
Sounds like you just don't like them.
>>333325407
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE MAN DID YOU SPEED RUN THE FIRST HALF OF THE GAME?
>draw upon Holy Might
>Carsomyr
>Protection from Evil
>mfw soloing Mind flayer and Beholder dungeons
>>333325407
Jesus christ what do you have?
>>333306206
Baldur's Gate 2 was and is fucking garbage, any credibility of anyone saying otherwise goes right out the window.
>>333325642
I love to backstab with carsomyr as my LN fighter/thief
>>333325692
Insect swarm, fireball, finger of death, chain lightning, haste, improved haste, stoneskin, and some solid summons and protections pells. I should probably buy a scroll in the city. I think i did at one point but I reloaded a save and forgot to get cloudkill again.
>>333323850
The original NPCs were too, the Paladin in BG1 was a guy in accounting at Bioware
>>333326049
Do you not have any spell protection removal spells or at least dispel magic?
>>333326049
>haste your entire group + summons
>improved haste your hardest melee hitters
>protect evil on melee if you can
>spam fireballs outside of the fog of war and melee rush w/ focus fire
Also, there is a spell merchant in Ust Natha. Buy some fucking spells anon.
>>333306795
Drow every time.
>>333326258
Yeah i forgot about that. I have breach, spell thrust, keldorn's dispel, and the dispel that only affects enemies. Spell pierce too but I'm not high enough level to use it iirc.
>>333308059
sauce?
Disregarding the general topic of the thread, is Baldur's Gate 2 a good entry point into WRPGs? I always see /v/ talk about it. I've always been wanting to try a proper experience first hand.
Although I see there seems to be veterans here who would know a more appropriate choice.
One game that seems to pique my interest from what I see is Never Winter Nights but again not really sure
>>333326049
Anon, I'm serious. Do you have Keldorn and Carsomyr?
>>333326917
Yes, but generally PoE is more beginner friendly. You could also start with non-isometric games though, like Deus Ex, or Divine Divinity.
>>333326917
Yes.
It's simplistic compared to the likes of the Ultima series, but it doesn't hold your hand anywhere near as much as modern RPGs.
If you're used to being guided by the nose in order to locate and complete quests, it's a good place to break you out of the habit, get you to pay attention a bit more and resolve things on your own.
That will help you jump into other RPGs that give even less leeway.
>>333327001
yes to both
>>333326917
Play BG1 first. Fallout is a good starter game.
>>333326917
BG2 is a great game, but the isometric style and real time w/pause gameplay can be a major turn off for some.
I think it's a solid entry point. It's not as exposition heavy as Planescape but strikes a good balance between combat/story/roleplaying. And there is waifu faggotry if that's your bag.
I'd easily recommend it over NWN though.
>>333306536
Why seek out fake fights or fake adventure games, or fake driving for that matter?
You're literally just arguing against games in general, not romance games.
>>333327201
NWN is great but the 3rd edition rules will probably fuck him over
>>333326576
Google "rey star wars audition"
>>333306206
>he posts the BG romance thread for the 100th fucking time
>people still fall for it
>>333327457
>>people still fall for it
>>333327173
>yes to both
Good. You SHOULD have Cloak of Mirroring by now. You have it, right? Slap it on Keldorn and send him in to solo the Beholders. He will be literally immune to everything they can throw at him.
>>333327589
Well he's not wrong.
The opening reply at least fell for it.
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/jNvlpZzGkcE9vE-2IxNo6g/
>231 replies
>>333327682
the opening reply was made by a retard though
>>333327826
And yet here we are, having turned the bait into a meaningful discussion, talked about it in a civilised manner and then moved on.
You have failed, OP.
>>333328121
or was it his plan all along
>>333328121
What if, after reposting this shit 100 times, all op ever truly wanted was a genuine BG discussion thread? Perhaps after all these months his dreams have finally come true.
>>333306206
ITT: people who haven't played BG2 stereotype it as a vapid waifu simulator and bitch about romance plots and Bioware in general.
BG2 did romances right, and it basically broke the mold. No other game has had romances with a self-insert PC that work as well as BG2's.
The big problem is that people who didn't play BG2 when it came out don't realize how unprecedented this kind of interaction was. "Romance" wasn't an adjective to describe a party member. They were just party members, and it felt like they fell in love with you based on your choices and reactions to them, not because the player needs to fuck somebody.
When I played through BG2, I had no idea that romances were even a thing. There wasn't a (FLIRT) option or some lame shit like that. I didn't know that you could even become romantically involved with a party member. I helped Jaheira move past the loss of her husband in a completely platonic way, without knowing any better or caring. Aerie was a different story. I felt really bad for her, so I was really nice and accommodating. Plus I needed a cleric. I just thought she was being nice until she started to get really shy around me and tell me how much I meant to her. I'll still never forget when she asked if I thought her scars made her ugly. No romance plot has moved me as much as that did, and I've been playing RPGs a long time. The romances in BG2 just made sense, and you had way more chances to make a relationship platonic than you did to make it romantic. That made them all the sweeter.
But now, you have a big fucking heart in your dialogue wheel so you know exactly what to say and exactly what NPCs you can bang. Yeah, that sucks. It makes the whole thing feel cheap and the romances all seem forced. However, if you think BG2 was this way, you're fucking wrong.
>>333328423
>>333328428
You're saying everything that has transpired is part of his design?
>>333328903
palpatine plz go
>>333327138
Thanks for the input anon, granted as much as PoE might be an easier point I think I would prefer the hands on approach of triumph of hardships so difficulty doesn't turn me off, also I do actually have Divine Divinity, played a bit and throughly enjoyed it. I definitely will go back to it.
>>333327146
That's great anon! I rather prefer a game that works along being cryptic but fair on obtaining your goals. Thanks
>>333327173
Is there a reason anon in why to play BG 1 first? Like it has a connecting narrative to the second? Or it has simpler game mechanics that ease you into the second better? Also sure I'll check out fallout too, although I want a traditional wrpg formulaic game first.
>>333327201
Thanks for the info anon, actually bringing up planetscape torment, I assume that game is also excellent if I enjoy Baldur's Gate 2? Also not really into waifu stuff, I tend to focus more on the connections to your comrades and building upon the foundation that they grow stronger due to your aid in their personal goals. Also what makes BG 2 a better experience to NWN?
>>333329092
no.
>>333329375
Yes it connects to the second game and there are lots of returning characters in BG2. Fallout is a good entry level game because it's solid and doesn't overstay its welcome while introducing you to isometric RPGs.
>>333326049
>Insect swarm
This spell, right there, is why Jaheira is the best damn follower in any place where there might be enemy casters. Like Magic missiles, even if it doesn't do damage, it makes them lose their spells constantly.
>>333329425
>>333329375
Also BG1 is still a good game. It's just that BG2 is an improvement in just about every way.
>>333329749
Don't forget it can cause fear if they don't save vs breath spell.
>>333329608
Now when you mention doesn't overstay it's welcome anon, do you mean that it's a fairly lengthy game?
>>333329913
Prefect, then I can play back to back knowing that it builds up, and both are solid games, thanks for that anon.
>>333318684
>bg1 the wild elf slut bascially throws herself at you.
try harder
>>333329375
>planescape torment, I assume that game is also excellent if I enjoy Baldur's Gate 2?
Not necessarily. Planescape is heavily dialogue driven with excellent world building and role-playing. But it's (for practical purposes) an entirely different setting and experience than BG2. The combat is also very poor.
I'd still give a try, especially if you don't mind lots of exposition. But Baldur's Gate I and II are pretty much the ideal entry points for generic (although well-done) high fantasy WRPGs. Start there.
>>333330385
Fallout is short and sweet. You could probably beat it in a weekend. If you're not interested in playing the Enhanced Editions of Baldur's Gate, you could download EasyTutu to run BG1 on the BG2 engine for some engine improvements. You should also get Unfinished Business no matter what version you play.
>>333326157
garrick guy is still in beamdog
>>333327340
>The 3rd edition rules will probably fuck him over
Honestly the main thing you need to get in NWN is
- Single class rogues never. Hell, rogue above a dip to get arcane trickster or a fighty class is bad, especially with NWN2's love of crit immunes. NWN2's arcane trickster is also shit without Kaedryn's fixes
- Bard in NWN is kinda shit except as a stepping stone to better prestige classes that require arcane levels; Bard in NWN2 is god-tier as a single class and still good multi-classed; in MotB, if you can get 23 levels of Bard (so that 23 corresponds to 27 or 29) you unlock the most ridiculous feat in the game.
- 3e Fighters are shit. But Bioware and Obsidian decided they shouldn't be too shit: any fighter worth its salt will multi to Weapon Master ASAP
- Get the mod that allows follower multiclass; it's not super essential, but turning the Sand into an Arcane Scholar or the Dwarf into a Monk/Dwarven Defender makes them beastly as fuck (especially since Khelgar's statline is really bad for a single class monk)
- The real NWN OC is Shadows of Undrentide.
>>333330271
Sheeit, yeah, Breath Weapon is one of the two bad saves for Wizards, and it's the single bad save for Rogues and Clerics to a point where they'll reliably fail it even at level 20+
>>333330849
>The real NWN OC is Shadows of Undrentide.
Which extends into HotU which is awesome. And you should definitely check out some of the mods. I recently just downloaded The Prophet and I'm going to play it with some friends this weekend.
>>333330585
Much appreciated anon for the details. As an avid reader and also a person who has played games with mostly exposition and light gameplay (999, VLR, Phoenix Wright, etc.) It's safe to say that I have no issues with a game like that. Also if the story is well worth it even better. I mean the combat might not be great, but not an absolute chore right?
>>333330617
Short to the point game huh? Neat, it'll definitely be playes anon. Also is there any advantage-disadvantages to the enhanced editions over easytutu? Also Unfinished business? Bonus content or modifies the game for the better?
>implying wrpgs ever had good romance
>ugly heroines
>cunty heroines
>non-virgin heroines
>no event where you go on a date and buy her ice cream
>no event where you get stuck in a blizzard and have to struggle snuggle to survive
>no sad music box theme even
why is this thread getting replies today?
