What does /v/ think of this game?
Its garbage
>>333240806
nice meme
Got half-way through it when I was younger, never finished it, found the sandbox tedious
love it i like all 4 games
I riked it. Sequel has more polished gunplay, but the driving was a drag (heh). Ironically, ND makes great racing games.
>>333240715
Trash compared to the original. Appeals to the same group of people as something like Sonic Adventure 2.
>>333241967
>>333240715
Hardest Jak game, one of my favorite games of all time
Best in the series
>inb4 s-so unfair
Git gud
>>333241551
>Look at those long eared sluts.
You ever jack to Jak II?
>>333242407
>Hurr durr people only dislike it because it's hard.
>>333240715
Love it. Best in the series if we're gonna be real here but I can understand completely if someone prefers the pureness of the first. Even though it rode the GTA trend wagon it still implemented those elements amazingly. I still find the gameplay solid and some locations like the support pillar of the castle awe-inspiring to this day.
My favorite in the series
>>333242904
>Even though it rode the GTA trend wagon it still implemented those elements amazingly.
Really? I felt that the shooting and open world driving were all shallow, tacked on and poorly implemented.
>>333243248
They were all natural evolution of mechanics in the previous game. Guns were derived from shooting eco in 1 and the vehicles were derived from the zoomer in 1. I can concede that the driving in 2 is more shallow that 1 and that is due to the poor execution and how they were only there to help you move around the world faster.
>>333240715
Jak 1 is a fun 3d platformer
Jak 2 is complete trash in every possible way
Jak 3 is the best Mad Max game
>>333243552
jak 2 haters
>>333243437
>Guns were derived from shooting eco in 1
You did that maybe once or twice? You weren't doing it throughout the whole game and the enemies were designed in such a way that it didn't really matter that you couldn't use proper shooting controls when it happened. Jak 2 swarms you with powerful enemies that you struggle to aim at while also positioning yourself, because the gun controls were an afterthought.
It's bad. Great example of how not to do a sequel. Shows how popular trends corrupt game design.
t. Didn't play it when I was 12.
>>333243659
It was in many areas particularly the swamp if I'm not mistaken, part of a big boss fight, and a large part of the final boss.
>Jak 2 swarms you with powerful enemies that you struggle to aim at while also positioning yourself, because the gun controls were an afterthought.
The guns are meant to be used in tandem with your melee to increase damage output while using them alone give you a long range option. If you're not using the guns continuously with melee you're playing the game wrong and you're most likely going to have a tougher time in general. And it's clear that it is not an afterthought mainly due to the fact that the snap-on managed to feel natural and not jerky in the slightest to help with precision at longer ranges.
>>333243657
I don't understand how you could possibly like it. I played all 3 in the same week. The difference in quality was clear
Ive replayed both 1 and 3 since. Will never touch 2 again
i was so stupid i didnt know it was her
>>333243998
And I honestly can't understand how you like 3 but hate 2 when 3 was not only shorter but had proportionally less platforming than either of the other 2 and even more pointless driving than 2.
seem was a girl right
>>333243967
The swamp was the most characteristic example yeah. It's what I remember. In the swamp you have those little critters coming from the spawner, but they're only ever coming from in front of you in corridor environments. It's quite easy to keep enemies in the line of fire. Add on that a generous homing capability and the shooting in the swamp was fine.
As far as I'm concerned, if you're convinced Jak's shooting controls were tight then the first Ratchet had the best shooting controls of the series too.
>>333244505
Jak's controls were about as good as they were gonna get without being completely mindless or turning it into an actual TPS.
>>333244652
Exactly right. That's why I think it was a bad idea to attempt that route at all.
>>333244720
So rather than push the mechanic to a higher, more fleshed out level they should have let it stagnate and clash with the design of the game overall or just straight up remove it altogether? Considering the controls are actually good and mesh well with how Jak controls in 3D space, it would be a complete waste to do so and you're exactly the kind of wasteful person that would squander that.
Jak II is my favorite, and I'm pretty sure it's 100% because I played it a fuckton as a kid.
I like the world, I like the gameplay, I love love love the music.
I would say that Jak and Daxter is the best game of the series, but Jak II is my favorite.
>>333244875
>So rather than push the mechanic to a higher, more fleshed out level
>Jak's controls were about as good as they were gonna get
I'm getting mixed messages here.
Just because I didn't like the gameplay innovating in a certain way does not mean I didn't want the gameplay to develop at all.
>>333244220
Is she stabbing a low-poly man in the leg?
>>333244987
>I love love love the music
How? I feel pretty strongly that Jak 2 has the worst music of pretty much any game I've ever played.
>>333245038
Looks more like a goat or a llama.
Really overrated (Jak and Daxter (as in the first one) was good though). Rachet and Clank, Sly, Spyro, Crash were all better
>>333245198
ok
>>333245087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev_nueioHk4
>>333245017
And who are you to say that your opinion on how it innovated is the correct one when you are in fact part of a very small minority.
I don't see how you got mixed messages with that. The transition from 1 to 2 fleshed it out and gave it more depth. The general control scheme and how it operated was about as good as it could get with 2. 3 at most worked out some kinks and made it a bit smoother.
>>333245087
You must not play too many games. There are plenty of games with actually bad music out there and music by Josh Mancell is certainly not bad.
>>333245087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMzyR9XMpNY
It's a fantastic OST that has a lot of different vibes and exemplifies the action and locations on-screen perfectly.
JaknDak has a pretty standard soundtrack that gives you some good island, jungle and adventure vibes. It's a great soundtrack, but in its genre it doesn't necessarily stand out.
I really like the gloomy, industrial soundscape in Jak II. I like that the instruments come in heavy, but the undertones are soft. I think it's a perfect soundtrack for a game where you're exploring and platforming in one moment and fighting in the next.
To this day, Haven City Walking is one of my favorite overworld tracks in all of video games. I love that it has several variants based on how you're moving through the city and whether or not guards are chasing you. It all works so well.
The series has fantastic music across the board, but Jak II really shines for me.
>>333245416
>>333245656
love it fucking love it
Who was Jak & Daxter for, exactly?
Ratchet had better gunplay and Sly had better platforming. Jak has so much goddamn genre and tonal whiplash that it's all over the place like the devs never at any single point knew what the fuck kind of game they wanted to make.
>>333246286
J&D1 was open world Crash Bandicoot. Jak 2 was a cynical attempt to get the Linkin Park audience.
>>333246286
Collectathon with the first one, mission-based with the second and third one.
>>333246420
The irony of your post is so thick that I could eat it.
>>333246286
>Sly had better platforming
>>333246420
>>333246507
I don't think you know what "irony" means.
>>333245094
Or a chair.
>>333246918
I do but it seems to me that you are missing the very irony you created.
>>333244364
Nah but he was voiced by one.
>>333244364
I honestly couldn't tell. They have the raspy voice of a male, but the design and tone is feminine.
BOUT TIME YOU SHOWED UP
>>333247315
yea i think its a girl and that moment with daxter
I hate it, but also found the first one really mediocre. Ratchet was the platformer of the PS2. Sly1 is my absolute fab of that gen or since though .
>>333247748
ok
>>333247603
>voiced by a guy in german who actually sounds like one
Were Jason and Andy the only thing holding ND back from mediocrity? Seems like as soon as they left they went the MATURE GAMES FOR MATURE GAMERS route and wanted to be taken seriously as storytellers and couldn't even write a Jak and Daxter game without being overly serious.
>>333246286
Only Sly 1 was really about platforming. It went full sneaky in Sly 2.
It's seriously one of the worst mainstream games I have ever played and the faggots who defend it should have their gaming devices physically revoked.
Like, Jak 1 was okay and 3 was alright, but 2 could write a book on "What not to do in a platforming action-adventure game".
>>333248843
what did ti do bad
>>333248117
Did they leave before or after uncharted? Because honestly I don't even like the Crash or Uncharted games. Last of Us is decent if only for having babby's first limited ammo system.
Jak 1 is a generic collectathon and while i did enjoy it its get waaaay too much praise on /v/
Jak 2 and 3 are comfy as fuck (especially those fucking cutscenes god damn)
Jak 3 was the best
>>333248146
>Pickpocketing guard
>Get Gold Watch
Satisfying to the extreme.
>>333249001
i just hope thay give it to somebody good i need more jak and daxter
>>333244364
THIS ISNT A GAME
>>333248146
>>333249137
Sly 2 is legit the best stealth action game I've ever played. I couldn't fucking believe it when I finally played it. How the hell did a game this fucking good get so overlooked?
>>333248954
You want a list?
>Retarded shift from goofy/silly with serious lore to "I'M GONNA KILL PRAXIS" and dark powers with evil elf man
>Boring flavorless overworld that exists only to compete with GTA3
>Speaking of overworld, missions that open up at the opposite end of the map for no reason other than to get you to traverse this pointlessly large overworld (which has multiple dead ends)
>Missions have no checkpoints. While this wouldn't be a huge problem, health and ammo are sparse, making any level with a time limit or escort fucking excruciating
>Vehicles control like butter-soaked horse shit on ice
>Story is boring
>Game can never decide if it wants to focus on shooting, platforming, racing, or vehicles.
It's fucking terrible.
>jak 2 is bad meme
Im starting to think you cunts just repeat the opinions you read here (like for example the hurrr why do you play humans in fantasy games meme) and dont actually have your own
>>333249142
Oh, I don't even like the jak series. Literally the only ND game I like is Last of Us. I think they're hands-down the most overrated dev in the industry.
>>333249384
or maybe you're just an idiot child who can't get over the fact most people don't like his shitty game.
>>333249315
Because it was too "childish".
>>333240715
Seeing as there has been at least 5 jak II threads in the last month that I've seen, and most of those were largely positive, I'd guess that in general a lot of people here like it.
>>333245656
The music at 19:38 is burned into my memory forever
>>333249614
Make no mistake, the game has a defense force the size of Dark Souls 2
>Jak 1
A fun light hearted collectathon. Bit too easy and only really saved in the writing side of things by some of the witty npc dialogue.
>Jak2
My favourite. It's not the game game as 1 at all. Incredibly challenging and atmospheric while still keeping the humour and good writing. The main issues were some rather unmerciful checkpoint locations, the scarcity of ammo and transit across the city getting a bit tiring once the whole place opened up. It really needed a fast travel once the whole city was accessible.
>Jak 3
Decent, but a thematic mess that tries to do elements of the first two games but ends up really cluttered. It kept the mission and heavy combat focus of 2 while at the same time bringing the difficulty back to around that of 1's, which was a bad idea because heavy combat emphasis is only fun when it's challenging. The desert was a bore. The best parts were light jak and the weapon mods.
All in all if you revisit jak 2 and jak 3 you'll find yourself wishing you had 3's weapons in 2, and wishing you had 2's enemies to use the weapons on in 3.
>>333249342
>Retarded shift from goofy/silly with serious lore to "I'M GONNA KILL PRAXIS" and dark powers with evil elf man
Confirmed for only playing the first 10 minutes of the game. Thank you and goodbye.
>>333250267
hi Jak2 Defense Force, thanks for reading my post, but you're clearly using a flawed argument here by not rebuting, and you ignored the rest of my post! If you could refrain doing that in the future, I'd appreciate it.
Jak 2 had a great OST https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O94kR6pBlak
Also what the fuck was with the NPCs not blinking? How do you greenlight such shit?
>>333250495
The game was pretty obviously rushed and restarted development halfway into production
>yfw you finally kill all the metal heads in the forest
Game has you on the ropes. Literally have to learn to hide behind the tree roots and carefully move around the map so you don't draw all the enemy fire at once. It was tough but so fucking satisfying when you do it.
>>333250647
Nigga, no. They have walk cycles. Why would they not blink? You can't blame everything on budget and shit.
>>333250815
I can and will because the game has a lot more problems than just non-blinking npcs
that orb glitch in jak 2 and 3 is the best
No one can make me not love this series, this was the shit
>>333250402
That sounds alot like opinions, theres nothing wrong with liking a game anon, people definetly shouldnt be barred from gaming because they liked a fun game
>>333251263
>>333251395
this
>>333251395
But at the same time, if someone asks why you didn't like a game, and you tell them, they probably shouldn't just ignore your reasoning and say "Well you're wrong". That's not how debate works.
>>333251504
>(you)
>>333251541
I didnt say his opinion was invalid, at least i didnt mean to. I felt he stated some of his reasos as fact, which okay, but should be considered in an opinion based debate. I also thought the comment about people liking a game, and should be banned from gaming because of liking said game was a little harsh, even though it was more than likley just a joke.
I like this game, a lot, and i wish other people did too. I feel like im almost alone in liking the franchise, as none of my friends like it as much as i do
hold me
>Jak I
Fun colectathon. Not as good as Rare's classics, but enjoyable.
>Jak II
Badly put together. The city is horrible, but when it's good it's REALLY good. It's infamous because it has a couple of difficulty spikes that truly are bad design. Some missions ni the early and mid game are harder than the final.
>Jak III
The inbetween I and II we needed. More platforming, more forgiving missions. Overall, the best.
>>333244364
sad day there is very few Seem stuff
>>333251836
You don't have to dance around the bush, it's still me.
I state my opinion as fact because there's no point in saying "in my opinion" on this site. Entertainment is subjective, no shit. I went into the Jak series completely unbiased: Bought the HD collection for cheap, never grew up with the games, don't care about NaughtyDog.
1 is okay, hasn't aged well and is really obviously a PS2 launch title.
I wasn't kidding about 2. I hate this game. I rank it up with Assassin's Creed 3 and Bioshock Infinite as some of the worst mainstream games I've had the displeasure of playing.
3 alleviated a lot of 2's issues, but it's still only okay.
>>333252121
Oh i thought you were someone else. Well, i guess thats okay, opinions are like assholes, everyones got them. Did you enjoy the other titles that came out related to these? The sly and rachet franchises i mean.
i think we can all agree this game is dog shit
>>333252376
I enjoyed the flying, dissapointing to say the least though
>>333252262
Never played Sly, I like Ratchet and Clank, but the games feel extremely samey to me. If you've played one you've played them all more-or-less.
>>333252560
Holy shit, right? Thats my only grievence about the Rachet games, the things they add needed to add just a little bit more.
Throughly enjoyed Up Your Aresenal though, a well done sequel
Did anyone like x? I enjoyed it and the multiplayer but I never see it get brought up here.
>>333252770
I only got to play it when a friend brought it over, but I enjoyed my time with it.
>>333252689
Ratchet games don't feel like new games, they feel like Expansion packs. That's not bad, but I get bored after a while.
What the fuck is it with Sony's exclusives never evolving? Like shit Nintendo's managed to make 8 Mario Kart's feel fresh and that's a fucking spin-off franchise.
>>333252814
Wrecking my friends in the multiplayer was amazing and fun.
Fucking terrible game. I play it once a year though, platforming is okay sometimes.
>>333252770
one of my favorite racing games as a kid. What was your favorite track? Also that offline multiplayer was the shit to me (no internet)
>>333252907
>Fucking terrible game. I play it once a year though
>>333252996
When I play the first one I feel compelled to play the other two. Not sure how to explain it short of being weird.
>>333252829
Same reason call of duty sells every year, people dont respond well to change. I would welcome more evolution in games, but the masses are extremely casual I believe, and find comfort in sameness
The exception being party games, as unless the next one adds more content, whats the point of buying it? I think thats why rockband and guitar hero fell from grace so fast, just adding new songs doesnt cut it
>>333253169
>call of duty sells every year
I still just don't understand this. I don't understand Madden.
Like, I just don't get it. Why do they sell? Who buys it? What are the numbers? Is it a budget release or does it sell high numbers?
Anyways.
Say what you want about Nintendo, but even when they milk a franchise to death, they do it with only one iteration per-system. NSMB has only one game on DS, one game on Wii, one game on 3DS, and one game on Wii U.
Ratchet, on the other hand, has 5 games on PS2, 4 games on PS3, and a new one for PS4. That's not including spin-offs. Fucking 10 games in 14 years.
>>333242826
I beat the game, that annoying ass egg bombing run turned me off for like a month thou.
>>333252934
I forgot the name but it was the mountainside arena map
>>333245416
The Haven City music is so good
Jak 2 is worse than the sum of it's parts, if that makes sense. Lots of good ideas but when you sit down and play it today you realise it's a poorly made game.
>>333240715
loved it. never finished it though. 2tuff for young me. i'd go back and play it, but i lost the disc
>>333255537
its for ps3 now
>>333255720
>consoles beyond the PS2 generation
PCSX2 doesn't run 3 very well, but I'll got back and see how it handles 2 one day.
>>333244301
>Jak 3 less platforming
There were plenty of platforming levels in 3, the temple levels had alot of them.
>>333240715
It's not that good. It's not awful but the same fags who liked linkin park at the time will say "no way dude, it was actually really good"
It's genetic gta clone shit and would have been better if they'd made jak and daxter 2 instead
>>333261038
way do people keep saying this its nothing liker gta way because you can take a car ok
>>333262184
Almost everything they added in 2 was literally WE WANT THE GTA AUDIENCE.
I think they talk about it in an interview.
