What /v/ thinks of dwarf fortress?
Honestly, Id rather just play rimworld, nowhere near the same level of depth, but its a lot more enjoyable, being able to understand what the fuck is going on. Combat engine is surprisingly good too.
Tried it a little bit. Made progress. A thief came. Don't know how to deal with him. Game is crazy. And kind of cool.
Played lots of it, one of the most fun games out there.
>build corridor on surface infront of entrance to mine
>line your troops up inside the corridor during invasion
>witnessing limbs and blood fly over the walls as your dwarf army beats the ever loving shit out of the invaders
>>333157715
you only say that because you don't understand dwarfs, git gud
My friend showed it to me years ago
I found the learning curve to be to great
>>333157972
I have better things to do than to force myself to like losing a game with no win scenario that still holds on to ASCII graphics when everything could atleast try to look decent.
Call me a casual as much as ya want, atleast Im not deluding myself to liking Entropy Simulator.
>>333156936
i love the concept but i guess i am just too casual to enjoy the game itself.
if someone built a proper UI i'd be inclined to give the game another chance.
>>333156936
Played adventure mode. I made a Rhinoman who started off in an elf forest. Spent a good hour goring elves in the chest with my horn. It impacted them so hard it launched them off of the top of their treehouses and broke all their bones when they hit the ground.
10/10
I like Dungeon Keeper better, desu.
>>333158118
Casual
>>333158118
download a tileset man, makes things alot easier if ASCII is too much
It's an amazing game but it requires a textbook to understand what's going on, let alone do anything.
Adventure mode is pretty cash, though.
Are they 3d mod? or something to get the game playable
>>333158501
The game is perfectly playable in ASCII
>>333156936
Autism
>>333156936
It's got a great albeit short soundtrack
It's just about the best roguelike there is
There's plenty of fun to be had
It's got a pretty great community, perhaps one of the best
But eventually you'll be done with it, though you'll still look back fondly.
The problem with DF isn't even the graphics (which it doesn't have top kek), but the excruciating bugs and that FUCKING UI THAT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE AND THE FUCKALL MOUSE SUPPORT
One of the best games i've played, it took me a while to learn the basics but once you got that its great.
It took me a while to get used to. After I did though, I had to force myself to stop playing.
It's a pretty damn good game, or at least was the last time I played about a year ago.
>>333158707
that's the pull m8y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1gF0uhHsqk&list=PL9ZvPIMh3WMyF_jqhXE3Sj67WPj1dfxHM&index=37
I suck at the game and I still see nothing wrong with the ASCII, get some imagination.
>>333156936
A clusterfuck of a UI hiding one of the best games ever, one that shows us that videogames could be much more than they are now.
>>333158728
>>333158729
>16:39.37
>it took me a while to learn the basics but
>It took me a while to get used tok-korean mooooooot?
For a beginner should i start with rimworld?
What is the minimum number of doors in a 2x2 apartment complex?
>>333159023
Why the fuck would you do that?
It's not like making doors is hard.
I want to like it but i can't stand the ascii. Even tilesets make my eyes bleed.
I like Gnomoria, but it's like not even 5% the game and versatility that DF is so i just ignore the genre.
One of the only remaining games that makes use of the players imagination. It's fucking great and I'm still learning how to play it.
The fanart is also pretty impressive.
>>333156936
Ever more autistic then minecraft
>>333159108
Doors are like A presses anon. Have one too many and you get carried away. We must try and get as few as possible.
The ascii is charming and I actually hate the tilesets
>>333159283
Why not use multi z-level appartments
We have the wiki for this
>>333159023
Why.
>Research game
>Play game
>Try to be ambitious and build xbox hueg apartments and dining halls to support a population of 100 even if you only got 10 starting dorfs
>burn the fuck out
>time and a few updates go by
>research game again
>play again
>try to be ambitious again
>Burn the fuck out... again
EVERY.
FUCKING.
TIME.
Name one other game where shit like this can happen:
imgur.com/a/Cdh4x
Makes me appreciate simple UIs. Never has a game that let me become a god of biting tried so hard to make me hate it.
>>333159323
You and me both.
>>333156936
Aaron cox fuck you
Dwarf Fortress is okay, but Gnomoria is better.
>B-but muh depth!
Yeah Dwarf Fortress has more depth, but it has a shitty UI, terrible (none by default) graphics and crap mouse support. Sorry if my opinion triggers you.
>>333159354
>tfw always make small and simple forts and don't know where to start with being ambitious
Guess I should try pic
>>333159552
>Gnomoria
You mean that game where it takes forever just to build workshops n shiet?
Why even have that kind of retarded form of making shit anyway? It's more ass backwards than Dwarf Fortress in that aspect!
People call the game autistic when it really isn't complex at all. You just need to know the basics and you can explore shit as you go.
>>333159723
The game isn't complex but using it is.
>>333159552
Yes, I'm triggered by your shitty opinion. Expect a letter from my lawyer.
>>333159552
Agree about UI, but gnomoria is not even come close in any other way.
>>333159163
that tileset is dope
>>333159591
really, just trying to make pumpstack columns really drains most of my autism reserves and thats a kind of 'basic' ambition too
especially where lava is concerned you have to have everything in place and done right the first time or no going back. like maybe i have to copy the save and savescum the long way just to cope.
>>333159552
the only people that say such statements are people who were unable to play dwarf fortress
dwarf fortress is a casual filter
enjoy your hollow gnomoria
>>333159770
Nah, there is just potential for using it in a very complex way. Building and substaining a small fort is extremely easy, but you can optionally make fun shit, more complex traps, explore more features etc. The game itself, making the dwarves survive is really not hard.
>>333159897
that hurts my feels
>>333156936
>>333159897
Rimworld is an actual decent alternative should you prefer a sci-fi settingI really wish Toady would make another dorf fort styled game in sphessbut there is no fucking excuse for Gnomoria.
>>333159989
I don't think I've ever "lost" after my first couple forts, you can pretty much always recover once you know how to play
I think how hard this game is overstated, it's just about learning how to play and it takes a few hours at most
>>333159924
Dwarf Fortress is a game that focuses on long term planning, not short term skill. That is why a lot of people have difficulties picking it up because they're used to games that you play and you learn as you play.
>>333159989
I think he should really address the balance. In the current version surviving is too easy. Food is easy as shit to come by, two 3x3 farm plots can easily sustain a medium fort, trees give a fucking ton of wood and the new stress mechanics are too easy to handle.
>>333160074
is it similar to space station 13? i loved that
>>333156936
I fucking loved it back in the day. Played it for nearly a year straight in 2012 and occasionally open it up now and again but last time I touched it was mid 2015.
What's Toady changed since then? Anything of note?
One of the GOAT games for sure
>>333160215
>What's Toady changed since then? Anything of note?
A whole fucking lot.
>>333160317
I heard something about taverns but that's all I know.
>>333160173
No, not really. Rimworld is Prison Architect/Dorf Fort in sphess as you try to make a new colony. SS13 is you trying to survive the butt bot apocalypse that some random assholes are trying to inflict upon the station. Or maybe you are the asshole and wish to assimilate all.
>>333160215
>What's Toady changed since then? Anything of note?
Yes, updates are very rare but very large. You can now build taverns and shit to house adventurers who come to the fort. There is now also a whole art system.
>>333159335
It's easier. Also there's a cavern underneath.
I used to do X shaped designs with the stairs in the middle tile diagonally connected to all four rooms, but you can't build doors on top of stairs and hatchways require horizontal access, which necessitates knocking over a wall, which kind of defeats the purpose of a minimalist design.
This is also kind of a logical puzzle. I know that the minimum horizontal doors for 3 2x2 bedrooms is 1, allowing for a dining room + 3 apt suite. The minimum for 4 2x2s is 2, 1 middle door, 1 corner door. The minimum for 16 2x2s is six ( I think).;
So I'm trying to see if I can find an algebraic expression for this.
Bump for DORFS
Fun fact: Dwarf Fortress was one of the inspirations forMinecraft
>>333156936
high effort, low reward.
>>333159924
>the only people that say such statements are people who were unable to play dwarf fortress
If you say so, I've put tons of hours into both Dwarf Fortress and Gnomoria.
Pretty sad that people honestly think that someone can't enjoy both 'hardcore' experiences like Dwarf Fortress and more casual counter parts. Its like saying people who like Deus Ex can't possibly like Doom, because its not as complex.
>>333158707
>FUCKING UI THAT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE
dude it's
key : what it does
you just can't get any simpler than that
>>333160351
wow so you have incentive to interact with the outside world?
can you sell weapons and armor to adventurers
>>333160443
THIS SHIT
Why is it so hard for people to press shit like b or p or d or k. The fuck man.
i hate moods
fuck moods
im not taking 1 of every gem on embark just to be mood proof
>>333159552
Man i got 64 hours in that game and even i'm not that retarded. Once you've dug to level 40 you're pretty much at the end game and the only shit you do now is get more and more enemies and unless you're on the lowest difficulty settings they'll outpace even the best trained army with 3-4 dwarves coming every season.
Seriously, i was so disappointed when it left early access because it's functionally the same game as 2 years ago.
I like it, and i can't get into DF, but come on b no need to be retarded.
>>333160552
Moods do not ask for specific gems
>>333160351
>>333160317
>You can now build taverns and shit to house adventurers who come to the fort. There is now also a whole art system.
Welp, looks like I'm going to download the new update. Thanks based anonymous citizens.
>>333160521
>borp or dork
>>333156936
barrier of entry is too high
>>333160712
No, you're just not willing to learn.
Are those dwarf fortress patch-version picture thingies updated anymore?
>>333160461
>>333160646
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/
Scroll down to December 1st, 2015.
>>333156936
I would really like it to be playable with mouse
>>333156936
I installed it last week and I have no clue what I'm doing, just that I'm in some jungle area
I'm probably going to quit soon
>>333160760
i know how to play. that doesn't change the fact that the barrier of entry is incredibly high.
>>333160668
boskeletonrp
How muchd o s his Toady raking in now? Is he doing okay? I'm not very wealthy myself, but I'm tempted to donate to this visionary man, so I need to know if it's legit worth it
>>333160836
It's not tho
What's hard about it exactly
>>333160898
this thread alone shows that it is, and that isn't even asking the majority of people that play video games.
>>333160824
It is playable with a mouse, you can designate build zones by clicking.
>>333160832
you should watch or read some tutorials
theres plenty of good resouces on the vg thread
>Still no LNP for 0.42
What the fuck man ?
>>333156936
It sucks.
>>333160962
Wait, what
How long has it been since I played it the last time
>>333160891
4,2k / moth trough patreon
>>333160891
>How muchd o s his Toady raking in now?
he gets 6k of donations average a month with 10k peaks on months with big releases
>>333160646
>non-dorf citizens of a fort
interdasting
>>333160958
>No real reasons
Okay.
>>333160898
You know what the worst thing about Dwarf Fortress is? Fans like you. I fucking love the game but you huge faggots are the worst.
>Psh, it isn't hard you pathetic normie. I found it quite easy! In fact, I mastered the game on my first attempt
Fuck right off. The game doesn't explain shit and you're going to be trial and erroring for a long, long time if you don't resort to any starter guides on how the fuck it works.
Get off your high horse.
>>333160832
Don't quit, watch an LP, read some tutorials or both. Whatever it takes for you to get a handle on having a basic settlement going.
>>333160891
He's making $4,217 a month on patreon alone. Add to that one-time donations and you'll get a pretty good number.
He got $9384.04 on march.
>>333161149
Yup I got a couple of humans that I use for tasks outdoors because dorfs hate rain.
>>333160836
I watched one dwarf fortress tutorial, I think it was two ten minute videos, and I immediately understood the mechanics despite years of ignoring Dwarf Fortress because of how complicated I thought it would be.
Pro-tip people for people from Reddit and beyond: Don't talk about about shit that you know nothing about. You're not cool for pretending to have played Dwarf Fortress on an anonymous image board
>>333161080
You can't do everything with a mouse, but you can do certain aspects, especially designating constructions, only using your mouseI discovered this back in 2010 when my mentally ill mum took my keyboard away because she thought I wouldn't be able to use the computer without it and she couldn't physically move it, but I found out that with a combination of the windows screen keyboard and clicking to designate, I could still play certain RTSes as well as Dwarf Fortress using only my mouse. end blogpost
>>333161203
I'm a god damned retard and even I managed to pick the game up. What the fuck do people find hard about it, exactly? Even with a standard embark in a mild climate/forested area with no evil it's not hard to figure shit out.
You just have to use your head for once. Is that so much to ask?
2CAT!!2CAT!!!!
>>333161456
LMAO
>>333161642
WHAT THE FUCK ANON
So can I make a penis limb and thrust it into people?
>>333161739
im fairly sure thats an old shop
>>333157720
Keep war hounds posted at your entrance, they'll spot intruders before they get inside.
>>333157715
Rimworld has an excellent base game right now because of the engine. It just needs more interesting shit in it like weird animals, aliens, other cultures, random events, more stuff to build. Would be god-tier then.
>>333161739
You can.
>>333161815
It's not shop.
Thanks for the advice anons, I'm making a comfy pocket region now.
>>333161203
Not him, but do you (or anyone) recomend any LP in particular to start playing this game?
>>333161257Link?
>>333162642
>A bunch of guides to various parts of fort-based living:
http://imgur.com/a/nGyRF#0
>Video tutorials:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBrdUj1adIBD-vgUodaaxebcdqQ4oEWtg
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD1A3FE72C0DCAC66 (Dated, but good)
>Text tutorials:
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/DF2014:Tutorials
http://members.iinet.net.au/~morty/Getting_Started_with_Dwarf_Fortress.pdf
>>333162642
5ippycup was what i started with.
>>333159897
that's not even a good analogy because i climbed the wall and said 'that park was totally not worth it'
I love it.
Always reminds me that I am not a casual and the recent updates were interesting
>>333158118
It's not about 'winning' or 'losing' it's abouthaving fun
>>333162538
In a steamy hot jungle on top of an "extreme cliffs" volcano with dorfs, goblins, and a Tower for neighbours. This should be good....and i fucking accidentally hit "play now!" instead of "prepare for the journey carefully"
please shoot me
>mfw I learned SF with ascii and tilesets looks like hieroglyphs to me
Where the fuck is my cart? Do carts disappear if you embark on a clifftop, or something? I can't find any of my resources
>>333163371
If there's no space in the map to place a cart (which is 3 blocks tall 3 blocks wide) it immediately breaks down spilling its contents all around, just look for a pile of scattered items
WHEN IS TOADY FINALLY GOING TO PUT IN REAL SQUAD CONTROLS
IT'S NOT OKAY THAT THERE IS NO "HOLD POSITION"
IT'S NOT OKAY THAT THERE IS NO WAY TO RETREAT BESIDES TURNING ALL YOUR MILITARY INTO CIVILIANS AND LETING THEM FLEE TO RANDOM DIRECTIONS
>>333159552
>none by default
only because it uses ASCII symbols doesnt make it a text based game
>>333159552
>anime shitposter
>>333163910
To be fair he apologized for triggering people beforehand. I think he is entitled to his opinion.
>>333160423
Yeah but the problem with your analogy is that Doom isn't shit.
![0gV_MygWSWF1.878x0.Z-Z96KYq[3].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/F7Jw0PV.jpg "0gV_MygWSWF1.878x0.Z-Z96KYq[3].jpg")
>If you set your world's fantasy rating to the maximum, there won't even be dwarves, just some playable race with random traits and a random name
Are you ready for Random Race Fortress?
>>333163630
This is the only thing that keeps me from playing DF again, the combat fucking suck, this is the only thing that I give Rimworld credit for, their combat system is fun as fuck, you can actually use tactics for god sake.
>>333161347
>all I did was copy everything from a LP and reference the wiki every 30 seconds, how was it hard?
>>333164331
>Doom isn't shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k_LPEm0gtc
>>333164887
You know which I meant.
>>333164342No.
