I heard you like Metroidvanias, /v/. But why don't normies?
Normalfags only like casual games, shooters mostly.
Uncharted, cawadooty, Battlefield, Souls series, Assassins creed, etc.
>>333138963
Because metroidvaia type games actually rely on you paying attention to your environments and taking mental notes, a thing that most normalfriends don't usually do while playing vidya.
Is rabi-rabi a good metroidvania?
>Metroidvania
Why don't we just call FPS games "Wolfenhalos"?
>scanlines
>>333139902
>souls
>battlefield
>uncharted
>casual
>>333140020
souls maybe, but you're seriously retarded if you think the other two aren't casual shit
>>333140020
You poor deluded sap.
>>333139902
>Souls series
>Dark Souls is the only good 3D Metroidvania
>normies
???
>>333139992
Halo invented FPS
>>333140143
If you don't know what are normie is, you probably are one.
>>333140081
>>333140115
Just because games are popular, doesn't mean they're casual.
Uncharted and Battlefield 4 are hard as hell.
Fucking nintendrones
>>333139975
Yes it is.
>>333139992
Because "metroidvania" isn't as much a mouthful as "side-scrolling power-up based action-adventure games."
>>333140020
Souls is pretty casual. You just kill stuff until you reach a boss then kill the boss. Keep trying until you do it. Not much critical thinking needed.
>>333140253
>(You)
On a side note I laughed so hard when I read this my dog freaked out and started barking.
>>333141519
Pretty much.
Most hardcore games I've played would probably be TIS-100 and Spacechem.
>>333138963
does the other eye do anything?
>>333142270
He has one normal eye and one destructive eye, it's in the Bible.
>>333142270
it dougs
Why is it called Metroidvania when Metroid came out 11 years before Symphony of the Night?
>>333142542
Oh fuck me, forgot about Simon's Quest.
>>333139992
Jeez, it's not like they were called doomclones for years or something
>there are people that unironically consider dark souls a "metroidvania"
Enough /v/ for me tonight.
>>333142817
What makes it not one?
"Normies"
Can we talk about that term for a minute?
Who here has actually met a "Normie"?
I know a lot of "normal people", by that I mean people who actually go out and do stuff and aren't entirely defined by the video games they play, but even then, I've never actually seen this alleged "normie" who only consumes media indiscriminately , and only plays AAA games.
I do know a lot of people who play "normie" games like Call of Duty and Destiny, but the vast majority of them got their start with video games the same places we did, with the SNES, or PS1, or mid-90s PC games, and also play stuff that is very decidedly non-normie, like Senran Kagura. One of them is the only person I've ever known to beat every single DQ game.
The whole thing feels like a retarded no-true-scotsman competition. You've got to feel superior to someone, so it might as well be someone you'll never meet, so you'll never have to justify your sense of self-superiority, right?
>>333143015
You don't really gain moves or abilities that aid in you traversing the environment, you just get better at using them or get keys.
>>333143015
If you're looking for a in depth argument you wont get one cause i'm leaving.
But basically dark souls plays nothing like metroid and castlevania, thinking backtracking makes a genre is dumb, and metroidvania is a dumb term anyway.
>>333138963
They're probably too hard and complicated, which is kind of funny, since they're strictly easier than action platformers without RPG mechanics.
>>333138963
>>333139902
What the fuck? Feels like only yesterday "metroidvanias" were the scourge brought on gaming by casuals and indie developers.
How times change.
>>333143190
You literally get rings and spells to traverse areas you couldn't traverse before.
>>333143267
It's more than backtracking. It's the combat, enemy and item placement, and bosses too. Not to mention secrets.
>>333143086
I don't know why I bother responding, but I have. He loves football, plays pretty much only Fifa and CoD and goes partying and stuff.
Still a great guy, and he managed to graduate from university, so he isn't stupid either.
>>333144362
Like what? The only examples I can think of are the Covenant of Artorias and the Darkmoon Seance Ring, neither of which really give you new abilities the way a Metroidvania will.
>>333144747
Rings and spells to mitigate falling damage.
Rings and spells to enable to traverse lava.
>>333142542
Because Metroid doesen't have rpg elements outside of secret upgrades.
Metroidvania specifically refers to a metroid-like game with rpg elements like SotN
>>333138963
Metroidvanias are for indiefags
Mass moves with technology
>>333138963
>Scanlines on a GBA game
>>333143086A large portion of /v/ and /r9k/ posters never managed to get over being bullied in high-school.
>>333143086
Normie is far less exclusionary than you think. You must live in a weird location if the vast majority of people who game that you know have played games like Senran Kagura or DQ. These are highly niche titles in the NA landscape. Maybe Europe is more weeb.
>>333147105
This is what emulation has done.
>>333143015
Lack of platforming (isn't centred around jumping), isn't a sidescroller
>>333139992
Because Doomenstein rolls off the tongue better.
>>333142270
...
...mmuuuuuhhhh the frensh... shampen is alwez been zelebredded frits excellence...
>>333142817
I'd argue that metroidvania only refers to the modular persistent semi-open map design, not even really the progression - every other aspect of Castlevania or Metroid can just be summed up with "platformer".
Or "RPG" because Igarashi thought it was a good idea. It's still not.
>>333140020
Haha Uncharted and Battlefield are casual normie central are you bullshitting me
>>333147504
>Maybe Europe is more weeb.
Europe is less enraptured to consumerism than America. Also more patrician in general.
>>333150125
>modular persistent semi-open map design
Zelda: Now a Metroidvania!
>>333151189
Semi-open. Not open.
>>333151295
Zelda maps do use items to keep parts gated off. Like the hookshot and half the dark world map.
>>333151507
Follow the reply chain and report back.
>>333145723
Still not 2d, still not platformer.
>>333151562
Without item progression you can't have only a "semi" open world map
What's with the character after-images in Castlevania games?
It's always bugged me.
>>333138963
Normies don't have a taste, that's why they are normies
I wish Ori would come out this week I need something to play while I wait for Dark Souls 3
>>333138963
That boss fight looks lame.
>>333140020
>souls
>normies
Just because they post memes doesn't mean they play the games
>>333138963
Because most metroidvanias dont hold your hand, arent linear and involve alot of backtracking.
>fire needs to be avoided, but the laser doesnt
That triggers my autism.
>>333139902
>Normal fags
>Not liking Metroid and metroidvanias.
Stop deluding yourself into thinking they only like why you don't like.
>>333143086
kill yourself normie
what other metroidvanias are there besides Castlevanias that I can emulate? PC is also fine
>>333143086
My sisters boyfriend bought a PS4 with Advanced Warfare and a Cricket game (he's from NZ). Asked me if I wanted his PS4 because he was bored of the games on it.
I also have a friend who bought his PS4 with Battlefront and is the only game he plans on playing for the next year. Won't even download PS+ games.
>>333138963
>double jumping
Fucking scrubs śmh
>>333138963
I think they do - since the concept of them are so casual.
It's just that they weren't around when the really good ones were being released so they are not part of the cult yet. But hey, if u have a normie-friend, then making him/her play a metroidvania.
>>333155686
Axiom Verge
La-mulana is the objective best metroidvania ever made, you can not prove me wrong.
>>333143736
It still is. Metroidvania-fans don't get that their genre is basically what killed all good action-platformers
>>333155686
Ori and the blind forest
>>333140354
I don't get how the term metroidvania was coined because of the combination of SotN type games and Metroid games.
If all Castlevania games post SotN are called 'Metroidvania' shouldn't they just be called Castlevania?
>>333155723
those aren't normies. Those are retards
>>333138963
Okay lads. I'm a normie. Recommend some Metroidvanias that are good
>>333143086
I'm guessing all the people you've seen have been friends of friends or something similar.
I've seen plenty of people that I didn't know that fit the bill of a strict CoD , Madden, Fifa diet when it comes to games and aren't/refuse to try others.
I've got nothing against these guys because I've met guys like that and they were all alright guys, but for a while they've been the primary consumers.
I think that might be changing now though. We're going from normies to pseudo-intellectuals who think Skyrim is the deepest RPG of the last generation. I think that's the new biggest demographic, the kind who browses reddit/any internet forum and just sucks up other popular opinions for their own and bases their lives on that. In a way it's even worse than before.
Maybe I'm wrong though.
>>333156081
It got coined because Classicvania-fans wanted to differentiate themselves from it.
Classicvania and Metroidvania are pretty much extreme opposites in regards of almost everything other than both of them being 2D games
>>333156089
They are as normie as the come. Gaming is something they do every now and then for fun.
>>333156148
Alla castlevania-metroidvanias, none of them are bad imo, some are mediocre but never bad.
Ori and the blind forest
Rogue Legacy (rougelike elements in it)
Axiom Verge (it's not that great though)
Shantae-games
Shadow Complex
>>333156285
>Rogue Legacy is a metroidvania.
Jesus christ, can people who like that piece of garbage become any less retarded?
>>333155968
La Mulana 2 soon
>>333156148
I recommend that you get the fuck you from /v/
>>333139902
>Souls
>Casual
I've beaten all Metroidvanias from both the Metroid and Castlevania series. Having also beaten all Souls games and I can easily say that the Souls series has giving me more difficulty than any Metroidvania ever has.
Portrait of Ruin is insultingly easy, order of Ecclesia can be pretty rough at times but even then it doesn't compare to some of the bosses in Bloodborne or especially Souls 1.
>>333156148
>>333156368
It plays pretty much the same though, it's just that you already can move free around in the castle
>>333139902
>Normalfags only like casual games
I think that is why OP is asking why normies don't like them
>>333156478git gud
>>333156478
Have you played La-mulana?
>>333156486
>Metroid Fusion that low
Kill yourself nigger
>>333156486
>>333156445
>>333156285
Appreciated.
I've started playing La mulana, and was about to play Symphony of the night so, it seems I'm already on my way. I'm jumping on Rabi-ribi too, for that weaboo metroidvania experience.
>>333138963
Aria of Sorrow is still my favorite alongside Castlevania 3 and Bloodlines in the series.
Hey I really love castlevania, and...
Well i'm asking if there is some other Igarashi fans there?
What are your hopes in Blood stained?
It might look like pretentious indie shit but The Aquatic Adventure of the Last Human is actually pretty good.
>>333156928
I'm looking forward to Bloodstained. It looks like it might be good
>>333156928
$270 commitment for me, I have faith in IGA
>>333155968
gameplay is so slow an unresponsive, it can hardly be considered a metroidvania
>>333156486
>Kurovadis
Muh nigga.
>>333158214
>Unresponsive
This is a new dank meme, quite the delicacy. I like it. It's just not the one that you should spread, as it's a tricky meme that people will actually believe.
Otherwise, I enjoyed it. Please come up with more original memes.
>>333158243
Nigger that image was officially poll'd.
>>333158339
>I don't agree with this opinion, therefor it's a meme
Get off your high horse.
>>333140253
>this whole post
MY SIDES
>>333158243
>he still hasn't finished Noaika
I hate everything. It looks amazing too, since it doesn't use chibi sprites like his previous games, plus the lighting is really good.
>>333139975
It's one of the best.
>>333158502
I'm sorry, this meme is stale. The "This false fact of mine (aka a lie) is actually my opinion" meme is simply bland. People say it all the time, and it's boring. They simply need to replay binkie's fact and opinions.
>no good metroidvanias with an RPG system
This is why I only like the Castlevania ones. All the others sand La Mulana and Cave Story are just ok.
>>333158580
God I fucking hate the art style, it's so garbage.
>>333139975
Nah, it got viralled to hell and back on /v/ at the time
>>333139975
I liked it. Reminded me of Megaman Zero.
>>333156486
>Add Order of Ecclesia and put it in God Tier.
>Swap "Shantae" and "Shantae and the Pirate's Curse" spots.
>Fusion to Great Tier.
And I'll be in agreement with that list.
>>333158961
Good thing the list isn't your fucking opinion, but a conglomeration of atleast 500 /v/irgins.
>>333158607
this a million times
>>333158534
He had some big problems with his system a while back, combined with how slow his progress is normally, I wouldn't expect Noaika to come out for a long time.
I'm probably going to forget about it and be pleasantly surprised when it does come out, though.
>>333159135
I'm expecting something real nice from the complete redesign, though.
>>333151189
Zelda was the primary inspiration for SotN though.
>>333159135
>a indie porn hentai game probably made by a couple of horny japanese neets looks better than Mighty SJW 9
>>333156486
Just beat SotN again 2 days ago. Fucking love that game, but god is it overrated. The inverted castle alone should knock it out of god tier spot. Still fantastic, but I think aria was slightly better.
>>333159447
>by a couple
it's just one guy
>>333150125
The RPG element was a nice touch though.
>>333158961
OoE isn't a Metroidvania and it's trash.
>>333138963
>>333139902
>>333139969
>>333139975
>>333139992
>>333140020
Metroidvanias ARE for casuals. Classic Castlevanias are the way to go, but what could /v/ know about being hardcore if people here need to save constantly and grinding to git gud.
>>333159530
Mis-read, should have said holy trinity tier. Same difference
>>333159609
>Classic Castlevanias are the way to go
>jump
>attack
>jump
>attack
>throw axe
>win
>>333139902
This has to be bait, but I'll bite.
1) Nothing about the souls series is casual or attracts casuals
2) Souls series is metroidvania, but 3D
>>333156486
>Aquaria
I played android version and it was pretty boring. Is there anything different in PC version?
>>333159652
The inverted castle was brilliant though. Why don't you like it?
>>333158339
I just can't get jumping right so i dropped that game, more than once.
call me whatever you want, it just doesnt feel right.
>>333159823
it's not hard to figure out
jump and you have full air control
fall (or get hurt) and you drop straight down
>>333159823
It's got a learning curve, git gud.
>>333159894
fuck that stupid ninja gaiden knockback though
shit game
>>333159823
All you have to do it get used to it, it's unique, which isn't bad.
>>333156486
>Order of Ecclessia not even on the list
>ribi rabi shilling
pfft
Because they don't look fun.
And 90% of your playtime will be filled with lines such as "God fucking damnit, THIS room again?"
>>333159946
>I shouldn't be punished for getting hit by a monster as a human.
Atleast you get invincibility frames you casual.
>>333148596
>Doomenstein
That's hilarious, we need a Castlevania with a new super Frankenstein monster boss called Doomenstein.
>>333155686
>what other metroidvanias are there besides Castlevanias that I can emulate?
Look closely at the metroidvania name and you'll find the answer
I heard the Ducktales remaster was a pretty good metroidvania. Is it good or just nostalgia bait?
>>333139992
FPS' were called doom clones for quite some time until the FPS name stuck.
The problem with metroidvania is that even though no one likes the name, no one found a better name so far for almonst 20 years. The most reasonable alternative I found so far is Action Exploration Platformer, but it just doesn't roll off the tongue that nicely.
>>333160295
It's a good game (not very hard, but I had fun with it) but it's not a Metroidvania.
>>333159718
Don't you have someone to ask to play Symphony of the Night for you?
>>333159975
it's a /v/ voted list, ribi rabi had this weird clique of shills at the time
>>333160456
SotN is not classic
>>333159894
>>333159973
how are you making these so fast and nicely
>>333159743
Well because as easy as SotN is, the inverted castle is basically just a boss rush. Besides that, the inverted castle is feels obviously tacked on for extra padding that the game didn't really need. Like, it wasn't offensive or anything, but I just feel that it wasn't necessary
It doesn't really add anything to the game and besides the initial feeling of having "another castle" the first time I played it, it just felt dumb redoing all the areas upside down.
>>333160581
WebMCam 2.1.0
>>333145723
You don't need to mitigate fall damage to get anywhere. The ring to walk along lava may as well be another key.
Most metroidvanias give your character itself new abilities that can let you assess new areas and also double as combat options. You don't get any special attacks that can also be used to break walls, you don't get any abilities to jump higher and reach new areas, or some sort of slide move to access small tunnels that doubles as a dodge, or anything like that.
>>333153056
The ones that had afterimages were Alucard, Juste and Soma, so I guess it's magical energy or something like that.
>>333160675
thanks
>>333160570
... i know, that's because i said that you even need someone to play it for you, because it's already very easy since it's a metroidvania... And now i feel even more stupid than you for explaining this, thank you.
>>333161050
You're just stupid, fampai
Gomen, it's terminal
>>333161050
>easy since it's a metroidvania
You have it completely backwards.
>/v/ hates SotN now
What the fuck happened?
>>333161050
are you retarded
>>333161209
nobody will admit they like anything cuz they don't want their fee fees hurt
>>333161209
Elitists who find pride in liking a simplified, stale, badly aged classic genre like castlevania.
>>333139902
Can someone tell me why Uncharted is bad? The first two games felt more like actual games than most AAA shit. 3 was ass though.
Why not just call it sidescrolling ARPG?
>>333156486
>Dust on meh tier
I'd at least put it on good tier
>>333161474
games people call metroidvania can also have no RPG elements at all. Metroid is in the name, afterall.
Pharaoh Rebirth+ is very fun, there's a thread for it in the catalog atm. >>333154165
>>333138963
but normies like Dark Souls
>>333156486
>Ori
>Good
>>333139992
it used to be called "doom-like" in its early days.
>>333156486
Where's cave story ?
How is La Mulana EX?
I'd like to play it on my Vita for extra comfiness
>>333156486
We've already discussed that but Ori has not its place in the great tier. It should be in the good tier, but not in the great. It only has its art direction going for it.
For the gameplay part and everything which count for a metroidvania, it is quite bland.
Also I would personally put Risky's revenge in the meh tier considering how retarded the backtracking is in this game
>Get an upgrade in the second dungeon
>There's a breakable wall in the room under it.
>You need to get to the complete opposite of the overworld and come back in the dungeon to get the trinket behind this wall
>You have absolutely no other business left in the dungeon itself.
>>333162346
isn't most of that game's design pretty straight foward? From what i remember there's a few open areas and early level select room but most of the game is a pretty clear "move forward" without criss crossing paths that much.
>/v/ blames metroidvanias
>for introducing a fresh twist into the most trite and oversaturated genre of 80s and early 90s
Do normies hate them? I don't know if normies are even aware of them
>>333162865
No it's not
>>333162346
Yeah, Cave Story is quite unique. The fact that you need abilities to reach certain areas/items is what makes the exploration IMO. Of course it's not as free as Castlevania/Metroid in terms of exploration, cause Cave Story has a linear plot while the other two have "background plots".
In both Castlevania and Metroid you're given an objective and the only part where story plays is in the beginning and at the end. This makes them free-roaming games, go wherever you want etc. Cave Story, unlike them, has a linear plot, a certain place you need to go to progress etc.
>>333158638
>Having taste this shit
>Not wanting to fuck a cute chibi
>>333142817
Dark Souls has amazing map design, but its not a Metroidvania
But it has the vertical map design a 3D metroidvania would be forced to posses, and it has a lot of shotcut setups that a 3D metroidvania would need.
The difference is that in a 3D metroidvania, a lot of those shortcuts would open via powerups or new movement tech.
>>333156791
I liked fusion quite a bit, but making the game linear in a series known for its freedom to explore wherever you can get to so long as you have the skills to do so, tends to rub many that enjoyed the Metroid games for precisely that reason wrong way. SA-X stuff was great.
fixed
>>333138963
>ADDING SCANLINES TO A GAME THAT RAN ON HARDWARE WITH LCD SCREEN
FUCK YOU
>>333164978
why the fuck did you change the la mulana pic
>>333164978
>Dawn that high up
>Ecclesia not on the list at all
Eat shit.
>>333140253
>Just because games are popular, doesn't mean they're casual.
>Uncharted and Battlefield 4 are hard as hell.
Those games aren't hard as hell, and they are most assuredly "casual as fuck."
>>333166447
You're a casual, I bet you never saw high level play and think point and shoot hitscan garbage like Quack Tree is any good LMAO
>>333164978
>Metroid Fusion that low
It's my favorite Metroid game.
>>333166871
It's low because it's linear and laughably easy
>An outdated niche genre that has no room for imrpovement isn't getting new games
>THIS MUST BE THE WORK OF THE NORMIES REEEEEE
When did Normies become the new autism on /v/ anyways
>>333138963
There's a difference between normies and casual scum.
Normies like metroidvania.
Casuals don't know what it means.
>>333167015
Fusion had the hardest bosses in the whole series, only Prime 2 comes close.
>>333164978
CoTM is way too high up
PoR and OOE are better than CoTM at the least
How do I kill this asshole?
>>333167763
try hitting it until it dies
>>333142598
Didn't Zelda II come before either of them?
>>333164978
>Dawn of Sorrow still above Portrait of Ruin
It's not fixed at all.
>>333164978
>original Shantae above Pirate's Curse
Pirate's Curse is so much more fun even if it is shorter. But Pirate's Curse isn't actually a Metroidvania so I don't know how this affects list placement. I approve moving RR to Meh tier, though. Game was fun but underwhelming, not that it's the game's fault.
>>333164978
>Maze of Galious that low
>Fusion that low
>DoS in God tier
Jesus almighty delete this disgusting picture off your computer you fucking shit eater
>>333168571
>But Pirate's Curse isn't actually a Metroidvania so I don't know how this affects list placement.
Thats sorta why its a Metroidvania list
>>333138963
Why are there no 3d meteroidvanias?
Only Dark Souls 1 pretty much
>>333140020
Souls is "hardcore" for the casual audience, which is why /v/ loves it.
>>333171074
Or maybe /v/ loves it because it's a great series, you clown.
>>333171249
It it a good series but that isn't enough to become so praised by the hivemind. Back when Demon's Souls general was a small bunch hyping up the Dark Souls release it was really easy to see that there were two factors causing this unnatural praise: Sony exclusivity and the "difficulty" of the game. Meaning this both justified their console pruchase and made them feel good for beating a supposedly difficult game. This is why never ever and git gud are a thing.
