How does Nick Valentine not remember that Kellogg and kidnapped Shaun disappeared over 50 years before the game started?
>>333117181
Reasons.
>>333117181
That's a good question. What the fuck?
>>333117181
shit writing
>>333117181
Because the game was very poorly written.
>>333117181
It's never explained.
>>333117181
Because he detected wrong, as a joke
>>333117181
Rampancy you fucking retard
>>333117181
that was kellogg and synth shaun, holyfuck how can people be this fucking stupid
>>333117181
robots are stupid
>>333117181
Because he's not human, he's just programmed extremely well.
>>333117839
Rampancy isn't a factor for Synths you retard
Not everything is Halo
>>333117181
They didn't. The flashback you see doesn't have the real Shaun in it. Kellog raised the robot kid in Diamond City, not the real one. The real Shaun might've spent time with Kellog in the same fashion before going to the Institute, but that's not what you see in Kellog's memory.
>>333117865
and it was literally like a day or two before you got there
I'm not saying it's a great game or story, but this shit annoys me more than anything.
>Analyzing the story in a Bethesda game
You're only going to make yourself angry spending your time on that. Bethesda couldn't care less about their writing and stories.
Because it's a shit game
If we wanted to be an apologist about it, maybe his perception of time is fucked up because he's a robot.
He looks pretty fucked up, maybe he has little sense of time due to his programming?
Isn't there a human sickness like that? Sounds terrifying.
>>333117950
Youre embarrassing yourself just stop. Ray Kurzweil is my mentor next time you want to talk shit you know nothing about think twice faggot.
>trying to revive the old "I haven't finished fallout yet and this part confuses me!" meme
At least update it so it's about the mechanist or something.
>>333117181
Because having a young child to try to find creates a better story, and it makes the whole "surprise mom I'm possibly a sociopath and need your help, btw it's 50 years after you thought it was and I made a creepy child robot of myself that I keep in a cage right outside my room" part of the story more dramatic.
>>333117865
Ok, that makes more sense, thanks.
>Get to the Institute
>The whole bullshit Father reveal
>Tell him to fuck off and leave
>Soend the rest of the game dicking around with the BoS
why are the militant neo-Knights the most likable faction
>>333117181
because he didn't know. the shawn you see in the flash back in the room the 10 year old is the synth shawn not the old man. he was never in diamond city till recent.
>>333118978
Because the dudes that are just a little chill are either cunts or non-existent and led by an autist.
>>333118978
>Get to the institute
>Father shows me a robot version of my son, as a joke.
>Proceeds to tell me he knew I was in there the whole time but couldn't be assed to save me.
>Could have sent goons to take me back to the Institute but would rather treat me like an experiment.
>Computers all over the place where people see the people of the common wealth as nothing but fucking games.
It was the moment I knew, beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Institute had to burn.
Reminder.
>>333119538
>>333119538
>>333119619
>These are the people in control of Fallout now.
>>333119619
Jesus fucking Christ. That lack of humility.
>>333119619
are you FUCKING JOKING?
holy shit!
this is why bibles exist, so shit like this doesn't fucking happen!
>>333121041
What shits me off more is that Avellone actually wanted to continue writing the Fallout Bible, but Bethesda told him to fuck off. So it remains dead.
>>333117865
>that was kellogg and synth shaun
This wasn't explained and also made no sense.
>>333121041
>>333121195
Did you seriously expect Bethesda to stick to shit that was written and NOT in a game
Those fucks can't even stick to the written non-game lore in their own fucking flagship series.
Bethesda is the type of people who ignore all lore that wasn't actually in a game and only pick and choose what they like while ignoring all other shit, and quite honestly I preffer that to what other companies do because then you get shit like in Halo where important/interesting characters from games are killed off or something in some book 80 percent of fans will never read
>>333117181
>dream sequence
>kellog and real shaun
>radio on
>uhhh that kid piper really setting the city on fire
Apart from the fact that Piper is not 80 years old, is also stated that Piper didnt live in diamond city when she was a kid.
>>333121553
It was pretty fucking obvious.
>>333121553
>This wasn't explained
not everything needs to be said to your face moron
>and also made no sense.
Yes it makes sense just fine
The story is dumb but there is no hole here.
>>333117181
Synth's have ADHD
>>333119619
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>333117181
Because Fallout 4 is a shit game.
>>333119752
Shit, even I have adhd and I prefer dialogue, fuck you Peter.
How could he known that, did you even play the game Obsidrone?
>institute needed unmutated, radiation-free test subjects so they raided a vault
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
I will never pre order a Bethesda game ever again. Goddamn FO4 was so bad it actually made me depressed for a few days.
>>333124532
>pre ordering games
>ever
>>333124532
>get power armor
>need no training
Except that it's completely shit and useless unless you spend points on your skills to give you the ability to mod the fuck out of it which costs a lot of caps, parts and levels better spent elsewhere.
>>333125036
Yeah ive learned my lesson but I wanted to pre load the game and all that.
>>333125052
The power armor is one of the few things I like about F4. You should feel like a goddamn tank while wearing it, and this game does it better than the rest. And the whole "power armor training" was a formality in the last two games to maintain balance early on; this valuable, exclusion training lasts a couple hours and consists of, "relax and let the suit do the work!" No shit?
>>333124532
I'm still mad about the power armor. How in the actual fuck is a suit of power armor just sitting on a rooftop in one piece after this much time? Besides that, Bethesda already proved with Fallout 3 that you need training to use it, now you don't with Fallout 4. Consistency must be illegal at Bethesda.
Will Obsidian save us and bring back the Mojave for Fallout 4.5?
>>333125052
The male protag was a soldier so he knows how to use a power armor.
What doesn't make sense is how the fact does the female protag who has only a law degree perform just as well in combat as her soldier husband.
>>333125516
This. How the fuck wasn't it scavenged is beyond me. Not to mention that this is the only t45 PA in the game so it couldn't belong to the BoS.
>>333125516
>How in the actual fuck is a suit of power armor just sitting on a rooftop in one piece after this much time?
No one had a fusion core to use it, most people seem use them to power settlements and stuff.
>>333125737
There's a power core in the basement of the building. Also, power armor didn't need fucking fusion cores until now. The earlier games made a big deal about the internal reactors would power the suit for centuries.
>>333125675
ok what about the female lawyer? how can she use power armor?
>>333125969
Mary Sue
>>333125675
>What doesn't make sense is how the fact does the female protag who has only a law degree perform just as well in combat as her soldier husband.
you know the old saying "never fuck with a lioness's cubs" or something like that
>>333126131
cant argue with that
>>333125969
Hubby explained it to her. The games never made it seem like it was something hard to learn or even need to have a set of armor present.
>>333125969
She channeled her law degree into the suit and it just worked.
I'm curious about whether or not Bethesda tried for the whole section with the power armor.
>>333125937
>There's a power core in the basement of the building.
It's behind a lock/terminal.
>>333125737
There was a fusion core in the fucking basement of the building of the power armor. In you come strolling, a complete stranger, and the fags upstairs ask you to head on down, and grab the fusion core. They then proceed to let this complete stranger, who has just demonstrated he is more than capable of committing vast amounts of murder, claim the power armor for himself, free of charge.
Furthermore, no one in two HUNDRED years, that's 20 decades for you, have had the brain power to use the power armor, despite the only requirement for it being functional is in SAME GODDAMN BUILDING.
Things like these are somewhat small, but there are so many of such cases in the game that it becomes completely clear that Bethesda simply doesn't care for small details or internal logic. The whole thing is utterly asinine
>>333125052
>Except that it's completely shit and useless unless you spend points on your skills to give you the ability to mod the fuck out of it which costs a lot of caps, parts and levels better spent elsewhere.
Roleplaying
Isn't that what a lot of people wanted? Or does roleplaying only count when they can pretend to be a psychopath raider murdering everyone they meet because that's their unique "character".
>>333117181
Cause he forgot to eat his frosted flakes that morning.
>>333126261
Yah and I assume that the 'training' is mostly just shit like safety protocols and what to and not to do, as well as stuff like how to properly clean it and maintain it
>>333126638
A terminal you can hack at level 1 no matter what
>>333126638
You mean to say, that in over two hundred years, no one has been able to unlock this terminal? What does that make the main character, a complete prodigy?
Don't claim that it's because no one in the wasteland knows how computers work, we know by a multitude of examples that isn't the case
>>333126653
t. person who hasn't even played an hour of the game and is questioning NPC motives and actions which are made clear in the same first hour
>>333126653
The whole Minutemen introduction screams of being a vertical slice / press demo that was kept in the game.
>>333119538
He's right though. Sorry you create stupida dssumtpwitons in your head making yuou think erhre are plotholes in teh qawe that don't exsist.
>>333126706
Role playing is not allocating points, you dip. Role playing is choice and immersion and depth, this game railroads you from the very first second.
>>333126653
>nobody scavenged the parts from the armor
>nobody scavenged the minigun or the ammo
I don't get it.
>>333126836
>>333126875
Most of the people in the wasteland don't really know how to hack computers, they are turning into wild animals and only know how to beat things to pieces and eat.
In the world of Fallout lvl 1 hacking skill is already really high-end stuff, you guys couldn't hack through a password prompt even though you spend 20 hours on the computer everyday. (obviously matching a correct word from a list isn't what's actually going on in-game, it's just a game mechanic to simplify the process into an easy-to-digest minigame)
>>333127139
>Sorry you create stupida dssumtpwitons in your head making yuou think erhre are plotholes in teh qawe that don't exsist.
>>333127139
>Sorry you create stupida dssumtpwitons in your head making yuou think erhre are plotholes in teh qawe that don't exsist.
>>333121041
There's nothing in the bible about Fallout you fucking moron.
>>333126910
How you inferred that I haven't played the game throughly is quite a mystery to me. I never claimed that the NPC's motives weren't properly explained, only that they made absolutely no sense. You didn't actually take the time to refute any of my points, you just told me I was wrong
>>333127062
It's the same shit as bombing Megaton in F3.
It's something that's impressive to show at press releases, but it ended up being stupid in the game.
Oh, this bomb could destroy us all - but it takes a whopping 35 in repair to disable it, and nobody is that good so we better just get used to it.
>>333127418
He means the Fallout Bible.
>>333127139
>>333117258
>>333117623
>>333117695
>>333117721
>>333117759
It's like /v/ isn't even trying to hide the fact that they're retarded
>>333127476
Even in Fallout 3 you at least had two ways to do that quest. In 4 you're forced through that shitty shootout quest with no alternatives. Can't skip it, can't complete it any other way.
>>333127480
>fallout bible
>being a fallout christian
Holy shit how low can you go?
>>333127139
World-building, friend. A major part of Fallout 2 is walking into horrible wasteland towns only to find everyone is strung out on Jet, finding out it is being used a political tool of manipulation, the fucker that invented it, and the whole history behind it. You can't toss important lore aside because you're too lazy to fact check anything. If they want to reboot Fallout, then reboot Fallout and stop giving the titles numbers that imply they have anything to do with the games from 15 years ago.
Come to think of it, that's something they should have kept around: the game-breaking effects of it if you were ever stupid enough to get addicted.
>>333119619
It's not just he lack of food and water but also the fact that the kid wasn't fucking feral after being locked in a fridge for 200 years.
>>333127606
Not low enough to fall for your bait.
>>333127731
Fallout ain't a religion kiddo
>>333125737
Why not salvage it, then? NCR did it, you saying that some people on the other side of the planet couldn't figure that out?
>>333127604
Sure, I'm not saying that the quest itself is worse, just that it seems to be more about showing off something to the public/press pre-release than about making sense in the game.
>>333127418
fuck that other guy I thought it was funny
wtb fallout 4 version of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0
>>333127139
r u ok
>>333127249
Then how the hell a tribal dude from Arroyo able to become a master hacker?
>>333127249
Then why the fuck can our main character, regardless of his/hers stats, hack it no problem? Were all the pre-war citizens schooled in the art of hacking computers?
There are plenty of places where computers are in use. Hell, even raiders set up turret systems.Why haven't the institute or the brotherhood found this one building with power armor and a fusion core, in over 200 years. Why haven't some random hacking savant? I should not be asking all these questions, Bethesda should have made sure such questions could never be raised. They could have made the circumstance for you finding power armor be anything they wished, and they pulled this shit
The probability of that power armor remaining in the building with that fusion core for two hundred years are slimmer the an anorexic girl's waist
>>333128032
Anon, I'm not a hacker IRL but I can easily hack highest level terminals in this game. That should give you a hint.
>>333127604
Bethesda are no longer in the business of making RPGs
>>333128032
Anyone can become a master hacker if they put time and effort into it.
>>333128074
>why the fuck can our main character, regardless of his/hers stats, hack it no problem?
He can't, you must put at least one point to hacking and as far as the skills go there are much more inhuman feats you can develop than just hacking consoles. All RPG's are always developed around the idea that your character will turn into a god by the end of the game.
friendly reminder to never again give bethesda your money because of what they did to fallout
>>333128479
Go to bed, NMA.
>>333128137
No, what you were saying was that people on the wasteland are reduced for being idiots that means the protagonist of FO2, who literally came from an ooga booga tribe, also an idiot by default. Turns out he can not to be one, therefore anyone can be smart, and thus able to do simple things such as opening doors or using computers. You get what I meant?
If you're thinking that "the world is crumbled into shit, surely everyone are fucking dumb as bricks" then I advise that you should sign up for being on of the Bethesda's writing team, I'm sure you will fit just right in.
>>333124532
The power armor argument is fine against the wife but the husband is a war vet as is likely already trained for power armor.
>>333128440
The question of why the power armor and fusion core wasn't looted before you arrived remains unanswered.
If anyone can become a master hacker if they put enough time into it, why hasn't anyone done exactly that in two centuries, and hacked the damn terminal to the basement?
I am also pretty sure that you can hack that terminal no matter what your "stats", else you wouldn't be able to proceed with the main quest
For a game that looks like it was set 200 years,
Why does everything look like the Great War happened only 6 months?
Also, why does the Institute kidnap people?
>>333128705
I'm not the guy you were talking to, anon. I said none of that.
What I meant was that the terminals aren't that hard to hack and don't require much of a skill to hack them.
>>333128746
maybe no one thought to look on the roof before you show up?
>>333128032
Being a hacker in Fallout is really easy. Every single computer out there was made by the same company, runs the same OS, and will never be updated. Therefore, finding a single vulnerability you find should allow you to exploit every computer in the country in the exact same fashion.
>>333128820
I don't know. Institute was just supposed to be evil. I sided with Elder Trump anyway.
>>333128440
>All RPG's are always developed around the idea that your character will turn into a god by the end of the game.
Maybe if you're playing a Bioware/Bethesda rpgs. Even in NV, the courier is always some dude who done things.
>>333128820
>Also, why does the Institute kidnap people?
To murder them for no reason and replace them with synths so they can spy on the people on the surface.
Why? Because they have to be evil I guess.
>>333129058
I think the previous post was talking about power levels.
>>333119752
Peter ain't a dev, just PR fag
>>333129058
At the end of NV you are slicing Deathclaws & Super Mutants left and right like butter AND you cannot die.
>>333129058
>>333128440
I'm mad they got rid of the Karma system. I wish there was no settlement building either. In goddamn FO3 you could be an outlaw if you wanted. But here you can't. The negative responses don't even do shit.
>>333128931
Now, anon, You must admit, that isn't really a fulfilling answer. We are, after all, talking in over 200 hundred years. The world is fucked, and that means people would scrounge and scavenge every nook and cranny of the world in a bid to survive and thrive. I refuse to believe that in that amount of time, no one went in to check the building or it's roof, especially considering that a crashed vertibird is visible from the outside
>>333129171
I think that makes it worse, honestly. If the people in charge of managing the public image of the game don't at least put up a pretense of giving a fuck about the lore, then the company as a whole truly doesn't either.
How does anyone understand what the fuck OP just said?
>>333130160
Understanding fractured English becomes a perk after enough exposure to it in online games. Not like Bethesda would understand anything about perks, mind you.
>>333128746
You as the main character are unusually capable/insightful/driven. That is a staple of video games, books and movies. Otherwise, you'd be an NPC/background character/blacksmith in the village and doesn't become the hero.
>>333119752
If he hates wasting time with dialogue then why the fuck is there a scripted 5 second time waster anytime you want to interact with a crafting station or terminal?
>>333130751
My point has nothing to do with the main character, really, but the reason for the power armor and fusion core remaining in a easily associable location for over two hundred years
>>333117181
Because they disappeared recently, not 50 years ago.
The shaun kid kellog is with is a friggin synth, not the original one. The whole deal was a ploy by the real shaun to get the vault dweller to kill Kellog.
>>333124532
>>333125052
Power Armor training was something Fallout 3 added to the franchise, you cretins.
It being gone is a good thing. Also, the PA you get in compton is absolutely SHIT TIER.
>>333128820
>Also, why does the Institute kidnap people?
Because they are amoral fuckwits who want to experiment on people.
They make the super mutants in boston for fuck's sake.
>>333129458
>I wish there was no settlement building either.
Same here. Most disappointing part of the game
>>333131509
>Power Armor training
Damn, I guess it must've been dream that I had to a specific perk in the first two games to use it.
>>333131885
Yes, you must have, because those games DIDN'T have that perk.
You could use the PA from the get go.
>>333128820
They need pure DNA that is not ruined by the radiation to create great clones, that's why they kidnapped Shaun anyway but I don't know about those other guys that pretty much sleep in toxic waste.
I guess they did some sort of tests with those people before realizing that their DNA was shit, or maybe they tried to make them better, some sort of cure?
All of these questions and more will surely be answered in the various upcoming DLCs that Bethesda is cooking in their pot of wisdom.
>>333131885
There wasn't a power armour training perk for 1 and 2, however power armour was rare as fuck unless you knew what you were doing or you wanted to get stomped by the BoS
Unlike in 3 and 4 where power armour is everywhere
>>333121553
He literally said I'm going to see Father, wtf man pay attention
So how did no one ever find a child trapped in a fridge out in the open after 200 years? The kid calls out to you as you pass by. Has no one else ever walked pass the fridge or did they all just ignore the screaming?
>>>333119538
>He's right though. Sorry you create stupida dssumtpwitons in your head making yuou think erhre are plotholes in teh qawe that don't exsist.
This kills the Todd
>>333132673
>did they just ignore the screaming
>in the post-apocalypse
>>333132673
I am far more curious to how the fucker survived for 200 years.
Was the fridge stuffed with food, or do ghouls subsist from radiation?
>>333133112
Ghouls subsist from radiation.
See: Aqua-Cura in Broken Steel.
A ghoul businessman takes Aqua-Pura, pours it into another container and sells it, then refills the bottles with regular irradiated water and sells it to ghouls. The ghouls can't tell the difference and the radiation is actually good for them.
>>333133358
Surely they still need to eat though?
>Someone kidnaps your son
>You look for him
>You find out he's now 8 and not a baby for whatever reason
>Sike! He's actually 50
Breh
>>333133809
They do
But that doesn't matter cause funny quest
>The apocalypse was hundreds of years ago
>No one is bothering cleaning up the rubble
>Everyone lives in a ruined house that is filled with trash
>>333134090
What really pisses me off about that quest is that the premise itself (a pre war child gets stuck somewhere, and becomes a ghoul that survives over 200 years) is ok. The excecution is what makes the whole quest so damn stupid.
Let's say, that instead of a fridge, the kid gets stuck in some basement, and survives on feeding off on moss/fungi, bugs, rats etc, and whatever that ends up living within that basement after the war.
Bam, the same end result, but sensible this time
>>333131791
Really? I love the settlement building. Don't get me wrong it shouldn't be in the next one, but it's enjoyable for what it is
>>333134336
You mean like in every single post-apocalyptic movie/game.
Shame on you Bethesda!
>>333133928
Vacant house for 50 years sitting in city where people sleep on the ground outside. Ok Bethesda, I'm weeely weeely sure this happened
>>333132673
Maybe they just kept walking like me.
>>333134758
What houses in Boston are actually vacant though? I can't recall any in the city proper. All of them are inhabited by either raiders, super mutants, ghouls, or gunners.
Outside of the city though, there are plenty of empty houses.
>>333135050
There are two places. one outside of hallicgen and one near gwinett resturant
>>333134463
Now make this kid operate one of the radio stations instead of a betabax turbofaggot and the game is now far more interesting.
Kid can't talk because his mic is busted but the songs contain clue to his location.
>>333121553
>they mentioned piper on the diamond city radio broadcast
Cmon. I don't like the game but it's fucking in your face.
I was always curious about something.
Fallout has radio broadcasts, but has no one bothered to make an actual tv show in the game?
>>333128706
up until bethesda made fallout 3 PA didn't need training to use, it also didn't need power cores because the reactor in the PA could power the armor for centuries.
>>333134336
If you were born in Africa would you bother cleaning up?
What is making less sense
>come from a vault which preserved pre-war culture
>lay foundation to a new village
>they all devolve into wearing loincloths, living in mudhuts and speaking creole
>>333135050
I meant kellogs house, it is hard to belive that he just keeps it. Wasnt it only used as a dummy for the child?
>>333136607
Fallout also has no bicycles.
I mean it would be possible but what do you want to broadcast? Soap operas for the 7 people being able to afford televison broadcast?
>>333127139
>it's an "anon has a stroke" episode
>>333136607
background radiation fucks with wireless frequencies and causes signal decay. Broadcasting TV vs radio has much different requirements for signal bandwidth and range.
The more data you're sending in a stream the more you're going to notice the decay from background radiation.
That and the only cameras that exist and still work are military grade sensors on robots/turrets, and the occasional security camera in facilities that were consistently maintained after the war.
You'd basically have to re-invent TV studio cameras, and even the biggest factions can't make usable camera film because there's too much background radiation in the fallout universe for film to be usable.
>>333137383
I thought fallout 3 or NV had rusted bycicles laying around as rubble?
>>333127139
>He's right though. Sorry you create stupida dssumtpwitons in your head making yuou think erhre are plotholes in teh qawe that don't exsist.
what did he mean by this?
>>333132673
how the fuck is he even a alive? a ghoul still needs to eat and drink.
why did you leave me daddy/mommy
>>333138657
He's a malfunctioning synth. Get an axe.
YOU ARE A SYNTH ALL ALONG!
>>333139595
Cause Synth Shaun is fucked if you take him into the Commonwealth. He doesn't age and will be 10 for as long as he lives. When people eventually figure out he is not ageing get they will ask questions, and with many Wastelanders already suspicious of Synths, I think it's likely they may try to kill him. If the Sole Survivor dies, Synth Shaun is even more fucked because their one protection is gone.
The only way he might be safe is if they transfer his mind into an adults Synths body.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvIM50SYqnU
This is what top tier writing looks like. Obsidrones B T F O
>>333128820
>>333132237
Shaun was kidnapped because they wanted pure DNA, even though the DNA of those within the Institute couldn't have been that bad. Those they kidnapped were guinea pigs (though they conveniently never show this). Mostly, though, the people the Institute is blamed for kidnapping actually just die in the wasteland in unrelated circumstances. The Institute notices and inserts a copy. Only when the copy is discovered do people jump to the conclusion that the original had been kidnapped. Also there was something about their needing to dissect people's personalities so as to better replicate human emotions in synths.
Really the why wasn't the retarded part, at least in terms of just the kidnapping. It was the fact they were trying to create realistic synthetic humans while treating them as slaves and denying them their humanity. If they never intended for them to be humans, why strive so hard to replicate it? Especially when they can build super generators and make people essentially immortal without need for ghoulification.
>Could stop Kellogg from aging
>Couldn't cure cancer and by all accounts hadn't even tried
>>333117181
Because they didn't.
What disappeared was the synth Saun and Kellog 10 years ago.
>>333117181
Because he wasn't there..? Are you retarded?
>>333127139
>He's right though. Sorry you create stupida dssumtpwitons in your head making yuou think erhre are plotholes in teh qawe that don't exsist.
Anon call 911 right now, I believe you are having a stroke.
>>333140698
Cancer isn't a disease like say tb that has a cure
It's an error on the genetic level. Much harder to solve when every cell in your body carries that defect and even more difficult if the cancer is aggressively popping out
Easier to replace Kellogg with robot parts that eliminating cancer
