Any recent 4X games worth playing?
Anyone know any youtubers or streamers I can watch to learn more about EL? Kinda like what Filthyrobot does for Civ5.
I bought this game recently and it's hard as fuck.
>>333086924
Initiative is god, science is king like all other 4x games, anything giving a percentile boost is usually worth it, never hang out in a lower tech era unless it's really, really necessary, and happiness is pretty important (the sewer and market buildings are very good at mitigating low happiness)
>>333087313
Well, playing basic stuff like Drakken or Necrophages is easy enough for me, but when I random something less traditional like Forgotten I just can't work out the right approach to doing things, that's why I wanted to watch a good player. And all content that I can find on youtube is mostly old as fuck, before the spy dlc.
Another thing that bugs me is the starting locations - what should I prioritise in my capital? Sometimes I just start in a shitty region with no anomalies nearby in the middle of the forest, is it worth spending couple of turns trying to find a better place? When I get Cultists and see no anomalies or resources in my starting region I just wanna leave the game.
What heroes should I prioritise for commanding the armies? So far I've been gravitating towards ranged ones due to movement bonus, but I haven't really tried the support ones.
The only thing that I fully dislike about the game so far is the way it does world wonders. Instead of being situational long term investments that are useful depending on your playstyle you get one wonder per research era that gives a huge fuckoff boost to the git that gets lucky with resources in his regions, ruins and quests.
>>333088671
You should usually just settle in your first round. Forest is good for production, thus making it easier to build the buildings that boost everything else and you can try to reach anomalies later on.
I found this useful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyUwHtUoRHM
>>333088671
When it comes to your heroes I think it's the best to pick those from your own faction and concentrate on faction-skills. It's usefull to have one that concentrates more on class-skills, which makes them most of the time better fighters.
Thought not strictly a 4X game, Sins of a Solar Empire is pretty enjoyable, and evokes a similar feeling when playing.
>>333085730
Age of Wonders 3 Is ok
>>333089973
Well, yeah, but heroes from some factions are more useful as governors in particular situations (Cultists for example give bonuses to pretty much everything), Forgotten are only good at spying, Necrophages give a huge boost to food and armour ghost dudes give loadsa gold and so on.
>4x thread
Finally.
Am I the only one who finds MoO2 not that great? The early game on average is really slow, waiting 20+ turns for anything useful for expansion is silly.
>>333091104
Certainly, it's always a good idea to pick some of the other factions heroes. But most of the time the skills of the hero are exactly want his own faction wants, like Necrophages huge boost in food and the Broken Lords boost in Dust. You want to have all the Dust as Broken Lords.
>>333091328
>Am I the only one who finds MoO2 not that great?
Yes, yes you are.But seriously though, when did you first play it? This year?
>>333085730
Pandora, Age of Wonders 3. If they still count as recent.
What went wrong?
>GalCiv3 is a wreck
>MoO remake is a mockery
>Firaxis gave up on Civ
>Stellaris sounds good but Paradox in charge
I like the Amplitude guys and am hype for the next expansion and ES2 but 4X has never been deader as a genre.
>>333090161
If it had a solid diplomacy/negotiations system it would be fucking 10/10 in my book. The game begs for unique, characterized factions like most 4x games, but it just falls completely flat in that regard. All 3 of the factions seem to play the same and the ship designs fucking suck for the most part.
Still one of my all-time favorite strategy games.
>>333093354
I'm optimistic about the new MoO, if they can just sort out the tactical combat and the AI it would be great.
>>333093340
Shitting on BE, while deserved, is what killed Civ4X general.
Was it really worth it in the end?
>>333092963
Seeing that HUD I guesss Pandora is a Stardock game?
>>333093354
Unfortunately true. Definitely hyped for the expansion though. Seems like they have a couple interesting things planned.
>>333094109
It's nearly here.
https://youtu.be/za9Hzr72E00And the moth-bats are cute.
I'm hyped for the new mechanics that liven up winter. It was such monotonous bullshit before.
>>333092726
Yeah, I played a shit ton of MoO1 and now the nuMoO. I mean, unless I'm missing something, like a good way to start/custom race.. something to let me get really into it. Somethign just feels off, I don't really like waiting 20-40 turns just for a Outpost/colony ship sitting on my ass.
>>333094374
>>333094109
>>333093354
WHAT?
A NEW EXPANSION AND FACTION FOR EL?
GODDAM I'M HYPE.
Thank you for the good news.
>no matter what we do in EL Auriga will still be a lifeless rock in ES
>>333094875
Be very hype, it's not just the new faction but loads of changes to the Winter mechanic for all factions.
And it release 7 April.
More like Endless Cuck right guys
>>333095125
>that architecture
No anon, I didn't want to masturbate right now. Stop.
>>333094957
Lies, she's just sleeping;_;
>>333092963
>someone saved a screenshot from the Pandora playthrough you made ages ago
You have no idea how happy this makes me.I miss /civ4xg/.
>tfw you wish it had a booming mod community or at least workshop support
>>333095327
We all miss it. Were you the one with the big spoilerish reveal of the end-game happenings? That was a cool moment.
The only thing I really dislike about Endless Legend is that you can't destroy a city after capturing it.
>>333095420
>or at least workshop support
But it does.
>>333095659
You can, but you gotta fully take control of it first, the option is called "Salt the Ground". And then there are Cultists that raze every city they take automatically.
Every time I spawn near the Cultist I may as well just end the game and re-roll. They will ALWAYS declare war before first winter hits and I am forced to spend the rest of the game pumping out units just to stay alive. All the while the remaining factions skyrocket in prosperity.
>>333085730
Doubtful.
Endless Legend seems kind of neat with the terrain and such. AoW3 has nice combat, but the small stack limit makes higher tier units too essential since you can't really swarm them.
>>333095251
>Stop.
There are no stops on the hype train! The new faction has cities that transform between seasons.
>>333095767
>You can, but you gotta fully take control of it first
Yeah, I worded that wrong. I meant "you can't destroy them immediately". What should I do with this city near so much food as fucking broken lords? Just let me destroy it right away.
>>333095787
>Spawn near Cultists as Necrophage
>silly shaking hind-legs keep sending yummy treats to me
They must really like me.
>>333095572
That was the one, yes. I admit I knew that one was coming beforehand when I did the playthrough, but that was approximately the reaction I had when I reached that point in the game for the first time. Pandora doesn't win any points as far as innovation goes, but it still gets props for being the first game in a long while that made me go "What the fuck is going on right now?".
I should do another playthrough sometime, though it'll probably be on /v/ since /civ4xg/ has been lost to the ages.
>>333096070
>though it'll probably be on /v/ since /civ4xg/ has been lost to the ages.
How about we try for a revival once the EL expansion releases? I don't want to wait for Civ6 till it resurrects itself.
>>333096060
>>333095787
>just got the game, still learning
>start as Necrophages
>Cultists near me
>kill them on my and neutral territory constantly to prevent them from expanding
>they got so fed up with my bullshit that they declare war
>their city is so close that in every fight they can send their militia
>life or death fight for my empire begins
>had to reload several times, doing just small things differently to make some small progress in this fight
>finally reach a state where both armies just get exhausted
>afterwards turn my whole economy into creating an army of bugs and ogres
>destroy them afterwards
And now the bugs swarm the world and feast on Auriga. Love this game.
>>333095963
Well, had to change my pants anon.
>>333096687
It's weird how good Necrophages look compared to boring and generic Cravers that barely have an insect theme to them at all. I hoped they'd improve Craver design in ES2, but nope, they are still just a mess of robot parts.
>>333096687
inb4 you meet the Broken Lords
>>333096234
I'll see if I can drop by for old times sake in case that happens. I don't have as much free time now as I did back then but I should still be able to do another run through the game for the sake of the general.
>>333097240
I played as them and I know that they are strong. But why should I fear them as the bug-people?
![AD426341B32F9590FB0A19A42E04FF0DABD72E6C[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/71gfjK0.jpg "AD426341B32F9590FB0A19A42E04FF0DABD72E6C[1].jpg")
>>333096687
Don't forget to put a proliferator in every army. Every enemy that gets hit by a proliferator and then dies in that battle (for any reason) gets resurrected as a default forager unit.
This way you can actually make bigger armies than the game should really allow.
I've had 30 unit armies doing that.
I wish anomalies were spawned better. Some games will drop me in the middle of barren wasteland while others have dragon trees, trees of life, every super anom in the game all crammed into a few hexes.
>necrophage deathstacks in your borders
>no haunts in sight to recruit
help
>>333097491
Yes, I really need more of this things. Those Necrophages remind me of the Undead from other fantasy games.
>>333097491
Zombie hordes are cool, but inability to upgrade them and 4 move speed mean that I usually create different armies out of them and just follow my big guys around. Maybe put a ranged hero on them just for the movespeed.
No seriously, how get into MoO2? Whats a good way to really sink my teeth into it?Or is it always going to take forever to build everything?
>>333097483
>But why should I fear them as the bug-people?
Because they are the hard counter to your proliferator/drone spam.
>>333097775
Silics and the new SoM's are also good.
IF YOU DON'T PLAY AS BROKEN LORDS JUST GET OUT OF MY FACE
>>333098085Broken Lords are not present in my current gameBut I have some of those ogres as anti-infantry in case. The Roving Clans might become a problem, because I have no good anti-cavalry units. And I saw their armies. Almost all cavalry.
>>333097775
>first game as Forgotten so I barely understand what the fuck I'm doing, expanding goes especially badly
>Drakken to my south tops the score and builds all wonders while fucking elves expand to my borders from the east
>pay them both to go wage war on a south-eastern Necrophage that already ate Vaulters and was becoming dangerous, plan to backstab Drakken while his forces are busy with the bugs and capture his wonders
>50 turns later Necrophage has 3/4 of the map
>>333098641
>plan to backstab Drakken
I'm not going to spoil what's coming but just prepare you lube for the drakken dicking you are going to get.
>>333098938
>that pic
Please tell me there is more of this.
>>333099169
If you've got the Dust, I've got the goods.
>>333095125
Call me when they make the tactical combat interesting.
>>333099298
Seriously fuck those guys. Even if I assume that they really only want no war to prosper peacefully I always have to declare war on their huge ass empire because else they would just win by out-jewing everyone else.
>>333099598
Yeah, I also don't get why it's this indirect control bullshit instead of AoW3 style direct control.
>>333099642
You can disable Dust victory.
>>333099874
>You can disable Dust victory.
That doesn't really feel right. Every faction should have a chance to win. It's just in every game I playedagainst the CPUthe Roving Clans were always the first to win if I wouldn't intervene.
>Get game on sale
>Try to get into it
>quickly realize the game expects you expand your territory within 20 turns or you've already lost
>fuck
>Combat takes forever unless you toss your chances to the dice
>Some asshole attacks me during a cold war and then gets pissed when I wipe out his army
It looks neat but god damn
>>333100648
>>quickly realize the game expects you expand your territory within 20 turns or you've already lost
That's the whole fucking point of these games. Maybe you should try some city building games or something.
>>333100648
Cultists are a tall faction.
>>333093340
The technique of building a barebones game only to perfect it later on worked with Civ V (I guess?) but I don't think anyone really appreciated it for this game.
Also lacks a lot of the things that made Civ V shit tons of fun. They could've just copied all of the features from V to BE and renamed them and people would've been alright with it I guess.
>>333100815
Some day I will learn how to play this faction. Because the whole concept and their creepy units really, really interest me.
>>333100815
They're my favorite so far. Fuckhuge armies4 free
>>333101157
Spread the good word and drown the heathens under the bodies of the faithful!
AoW3 is quite possibly my most favorite game of all time, and I normally dont like 4X games.
>>333101291
What if the other factions start to attack my converted villages?
>>333101351
Was this made by the guys who made Fallen Enchantress?
The UI looks near identical.
Recently started on Aurora. It's not that hard, but the frantic need to expand right away due to dwindling resources on Earth is kinda triggering me. The conditional orders don't seem to work right either, meaning I have to give pretty much every order manually. I anticipate that becoming impossible at some point. Still was pretty fun for as long as I played.
>>333099874
I agree.
Also, for a game system where you field customized base units, why do they end up being so bland?
"OK, here you've got an archer and here's your tank. Oh and here's a healer. They do different stuff but they don't have active abilities so they boil down to "attack" and "heal.""
>>333101351
Same here. AoW3 + expansions is my current favorite 4X. 200+ hours.
>>333102107
Nope.
>>333102778
Slight problem with that image:
AoW1 was not stack vs stack, it was the same hexagonal adjacent stack rules as in AoW2
>>333102251
There are several support units that aren't just healers, but have different spells on attack and on friendly units.
You are right that there isn't a huge difference between those units. But the unit composition you end with is never really the same, you have to adopt and make the best out of what your faction gives you and what neutral factions you'll find in your empire. Not to mention that's not only the units itself which makes you assimilate a neutral faction, but also their bonuses. And usully you can specialize units on two things, like ranged units with crossbows to be thougher in melee and with bows to be stronger against fyling units.
>>333101873
You can restore destroyed villages, but it takes extra influence. Offence is the best defence in this case - go and kill those unfaithful fuckers that dare attack your shit.
>>333103250
I will remember this, but first I will try to get good at some of the more "normal" factions. Already got some understanding of the Wild Walkers, Broken Lords and Necrophages. Vaulters are next.
what faction does /v/ recommend for a first timer?
>>333104209
Wild Walkers is the vanilla experience
>>333104209
Wild Walkers or Broken Lords.
Wild Walkers are the most normal faction, when playing Broken Lords just concentrate on Dust and you'll be fine.
>>333104342
>>333104645
nice, thanks
>>333104209
Wild Walkers, Vaulters and Drakken are the most "normal" factions, they don't have any glaring disadvantages compared to some other factions. Your industry civ, scientific and diplomatic one respectively.
Who Space Empires4here?
>>333092963
I didn't care for Age of Wonders 3 at all. Building up large armies required to fight powerful creatures was tedious and combat didn't feel as good as AoW2.
>only black people on the planet are a nation of thieves and spies that is completely incapable of scientific research
>>333096234
Which game issues that?
>>333085730
you posted the only one that fits your criteria
>tfw i've pirated endless legend a few times to try it out before buying it but it's always too hard for me to figure out
sucks being retarded boys
>>333106513
At least you gave those developers money, because they deserve it.
>>333106031
They're not even back though
Their leader guy looks dark but they have white features
>>333106513
Don't let your pride get on the way, start on easy
>>333106513
You'll get there anon. What I figured out early is just to go with your games and see how they play out. It can be frustrating to lose progress, but most of the time the mistakes you make start to become obvious and become (mostly) easy fixes.
On the normal difficulties anyway, good fucking luck on Endless difficulty
>>333098492
Clans can't declare war so you can build your armies before striking
