they were never good in the first place

FFXIV

>>333071734
Explain World of Warcraft then

>>333071651
When wow dies

>>333071651
When Camelot Unchained and Crowfall comes out, at least for the PvP side of things.

I'm still waiting for someone to make something good for PvE though. The whole themepark thing with WoW and FFXIV is just so fucking dull. I want to fucking explore shit with a group and actually feel the fucking danger and not "OOOO FLASHY LIGHT ON GROUND, BETTER MOVE!". There's so much shit you could do to make a proper PvE MMO and it's being wasted on "LETS GRIND GEAR TO GRIND MORE GEAR!"

>>333071867
A skinner box that forever killed any chance of the genre living up to its potential?

>>333071935
I agree with you 150% if wow just died, it would show devs that, the same shit they have been trying to feed us over the years does not work

I would play an mmo if the combat was on par with zelda 64.

>>333071965
i've had an idea about an pvp mmo which kinda is a pve mmo
every season the best player gets chosen to be the ultimate evil behind everything bad, and he tries to destroy the world. Every other player of course tries to defend and kill the ultimate evil. Its a bit rough idea but it could work if done well, but i cant see that coming ever

Never