3D was a mistake.
You sound like someone from the 90's
>>333021680
Yes.
>>333021680
tru at least for fighting games
tekken in 2d would be retarded tho
Yes.
I like how OP completely ignored Guilty Gear Xrd.
>>333022010
Guilty Gear Xrd is literally the only game that does 3D right, what are you talking about?
>>333022010
Why were the Guilty Gear devs the only smart ones? I'd kill for Street Fighter V to look that good.
>>333022131
>Why were the Guilty Gear devs the only smart ones?
Well money wasn't the issue since Guilty Gear Xrd was made on a shoestring budget, maybe it's just laziness.
>>333021680
At least post a more recent Bloodborn screenshot, the game looks nothing like that anymore
>>333022070
Exactly.
OP was making the point of every 2D sprite franchise that went 3D by sequel or spiritual successor looks like shit, but the existence of Xrd itself proves him wrong.
>>333022225
> maybe it's just laziness.
It's a complete lack of talent and drive. Arc Sys actually give a shit about their products. Their fans are also willing to pay whatever to play them.
>>333022131
They wanted to do 3D in the first place, and did with Battle Fantasia, so it's probably something they dabbled with very early on before opting for sprites.
Then when SEGA Sammy tried to strong arm the license and make GGXX their SF2 for free bank Daisuke had to go with Guilty Gear 2: Overture to progress the story and franchise, so they got more experience there probably, they were still running with 3D models for base stuff while developing Blazblue, which got them the dosh to get GG back from SEGA, so again more experience. In short I think it was a circumstance of misfortune resulting in happy accidents.
Which is worse?
>>333022516
The one on the left isn't bounded by the technological limitations of it's time in making a good looking model. So it reeks of lazyness more.
>>333022513
BB got ASW the dosh to buy the GG rights back?
Wish GG fans would just stop fucking shitposting against BB 24/7.
>>333022657
Both are from 2016 games though.
>>333022657
Right is a PS4 game
>>333022657
>The one on the left isn't bounded by the technological limitations of it's time
But the right one is?
>>333022513
BB uses horrible rotoscoping anyways. It's why the sprites are so horrible.
>>333022657
lol
>>333022795
I don't think I can take calling BB sprites "horrible" as anything other than hyperbole.
>>333022941
They're horribly animated just like every other Arc Sys game. The sprites themselves are nothing to write home about but the animation is just plain bad.
>>333022330
Exception to the rule m8 there always 1 or 3 and xrd proves it
>>333021680
#SaveKen
https://twitter.com/Kayane/status/715108898357776384
>>333023353
Ken's redesign will be a $10 DLC.
>>333022657
haha
>>333022714
YIKES.
>>333021680
>Using a pre-alpha shot of Bloodstained
Now that's just disingenuous. The game has a completely different set of shaders now
>>333021680
Going full Dio would have been worthwhile at least.
>>333022516
Ken's design there would look bad in any style
How the fuck can you call it 3D when it's in a 2D screen?
>>333022657
You're being taken for a bit of a ride, Andy's design like all the KOF characters is work in progress. Ken's design is final.
Don't get me wrong though, both sides are cruising for a rusing. SF fans pick at the flaws of KOF's unpolished work when their recent stuff like Alex and alt Ken are the stuff of nightmares, but KOF fans seem to be getting pretty cocksure their game will go off without a hitch despite history with SNK usually proving otherwise.
>>333021680
blame the 60fpsfags and 1080HDfag, they dont use 2D anymore because its hard to adjust on different resolution
>>333023624
Official art is ok though, what fucks it up is the transition to 3D.
>>333023818
Too bad the artist got fired for SFV's artwork.
>>333023661
>Somebody on GameFAQs is retarded
Holy shit what exciting news
>>333021680
>>333023732
They don't use 2d anymore because it's way more expensive, doesn't scale as well and nearly impossible to find talented pixel artists looking for work. Live3d and Xrd's tech show that 2d animation isn't going anywhere, it just needs some time in the oven.
>>333022516
The one on the right got improved, at least.
>>333024012
The one on the left got improved a bit too. Both still look like polished shit though, don't delude yourself into thinking KOF XIV looks good just because SFV looks bad.
>>333021850
THE 90S SUUUUuuuuuuuUuuuuuUuuuuuUUUUUUUuuuucked!!!!
>Oh darn those insensitive 90s movies.
>>333024131
>sfv looks bad
nice meme
>>333021680
KOFXIV actually looks decent now however.
>screenshot of a game in alpha
You're just trolling.
>>333024220
It does, cutting edge graphics don't save it from bad design, literally the only good model in the whole game is Chun Li.
>>333024280
keep the memes going
>>333021680
SFV looks fucking fine, that's just a shitty costume for Ken.
>>333024280
>tfw you main Chun
>>333024131
I still reckon KOF is going with a better visual style at least
>>333024395
is not that, the that specific camare angle of ken face, he looks fucking great in the still frame after the victory animation
Ken in SFV is the worst thing that's come out of Capcom since Bigger Dick.
If you main Ken.I main Ken.
>>333021680
>Bloodstained
But it looks like this now.
>>333024520
I main Ken and honestly his model never bothered me.
>>333024610
You are more resilient than I am.
Ryu looks great and got the amazing bearded Kenshiro alt that should have been his default. Ken is just Ryu with different hair. How do you fuck this up?
>>333022795
They aren't that bad, just outdated.
Althought French Bread do make better sprites than Arc Sys.
>>333022516
Released version vs work in progress.
Good
>>333022516
Can someone post the Ryo vs Ken comparison?
>>333024748
yeah it really depends how much work the team makes. For example GG Xrd is in 3d and it looks amazing.
i think most of the SF5 characters look pretty good, there's just a few that look really bad (Ken being the most obvious offender)
>>333022330
OP was clearly just being hyperbolic.
>>333023353
that photoshopped ken looks like a faggot, why would anyone want that ? I'd rather have crack addict ken
>>333021680
>>333026752
are you high? it's hunderds of times better
2D > 3D
>>333022941
>>333023000
i agree with this, the sprites are horribly clunky and looks like its missing loads of inbetween frames or some shit. kof 13 looks so much more fluid than bb
>>333026382
>>333021680
>>333021680
nope
>>333027312
exactly!
what were they thinking
>>333027564
iT'S LITERALLY THIS EASY
>>333027212
KI and GGXrd at least look great.
>>333022516
Fuck, is the right Andy?
>>333023000
Just a note-
That's not the fault of rotoscoping -
That's just the fault of shitty and lazy animators. Rotoscoping can be the key to producing some of the more nuanced features in 2d animation - but it's a tool - it's up to the user of it not being one also.
>>333027815
KI looks good in motion but some of the models look really bad
in particular out of S3, Tusk and Kim Wu are plain awful
>>333027975
Kim Wu at least has an excuse because she's not supposed to be available for another month or so, so they can still touch her up.
Tusk got no business lookin' that fucked up though.
>>333027975
I feel like the model and animation quality really has gotten progressivly worse after Iron Galaxy took over for Double Helix.
What the fuck are they even doing now anyway? They got bought up by Amazon or some shit, right?
3D is fine, even in SFV mostly. Ryu, Rashid, Zangief, Dhalsim, Chun, Cammy, and Karin all look great in the game.
Guilty Gear is one of the few fighting games series that had a good transition from 2D sprites to 3D models. I wish other fighting games looked half as good.
>>333029457
Guilty Gear also had a ridiculously tough journey to 3D, nobody really expected it to actually manage to do what was striving for. Of course I'm glad it managed to come out that great, but expecting other companies to go for something with as much of a risk is a stretch.
>>333021680
http://www.dinofarmgames.com/a-pixel-artist-renounces-pixel-art/
>>333022070
>Guilty Gear Xrd is literally the only game that does 3D right
GG still looked better in 2D though
Xrd looks best in still shots, in motion ArcSys' trademark "shit animation outside of intro/outros and super attacks" kicks in and it looks even worse in 3D, no amount of nice lighting/shading changes that
>>333022516
It's all still being worked on.
>>333021680
It doesn't have to be a mistake, you just need competent/willing-to-give-a-shit devs. I have a personal preference for 2D too though.
>>333024748
>>333026543
UNIEL's sprites are beautiful
>>333024220
>>333024748
Probably all their work with MB which has really nice animation going for it despite the sprites themselves leaving something to be desired.
I heard rumor ASW helped Ecole and FB with the whole 3D model to 2D thing which is how they got UNIB's bigger, better looking sprites but with the same crisp animation as MB by bringing their heads together.
I'm a little disappointed they didn't get bigger press for their efforts. I guess the planets just weren't aligned in their favor. Similar thing with KOFXIII's stuff, both could use some work but it's the effort that counts and impresses me.
If only the two had happened around the time SFIII did there might have been more recognition for 2D and a possible renaissance. Unfortunately compared to stuff people seen done with 3D there's not much room for a comeback.
>>333027239
I would pay for that ass to sit on my face.
>3d is bad meme
>>333034819
this game looks so fluid, even better than the mainline pw games
>>333035478
![2286021-ggxsign01_68064_screen[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/t2oXuOz.jpg "2286021-ggxsign01_68064_screen[1].jpg")
>>333022131
>>333022070
I don't like how they look stylized. Proportion wise.
>>333035478
>>333035542
The animations look pretty good. Didn't they use mocap or some stuff like that for it? I think AA6 is going to be made like that too.
>>333022516
Andy the cuck.SFV females look great in 3D.
>>333035625
Cause they took the 2d sprites and stretched them to wide-screen proportions so the spacing between characters stayed the same on a 16:9.screen.
>>333021680
You're a bit behind there senpai.
>>333035704
Yeah, they used mo-cap
>>333021680
>>333027694
kek
>>333037145
what is this
it's like a middle ground between 3D models and spritesand it looks worse than both
>>333037145
Only problem here is that the outlines accentuate the fact that the model is low poly
>>333032121
if yoshi is still ass I will main this goddess
>>333037465
Welcome to cel shading and nice shit taste, anon
>>333037583
I need to see it in motion, then I mightor notchange my opinion on it.
>>333037145
Looks like garbage.
>>333037669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLpMwEAiw7Q
>>333037772
Thanks, it only confirms my opinion.
You may review your tastes famalam
>>333027239
>our game looks like shit, let's put some bad ass models in them, kids don't know better
hey it works for DoA and soulcal after all....o wait
>>333023940
Really?
>>333029457
Guild Gear Xrd will be the most underrated gem of this generation, since they don't the advertising money that Crapcom does.
>>333039369
No.
>>333021850
90s kids4life nerd
>>333022516
Can somebody post the edited Tekken 3 cover with Andy in it?
>>333023661
jesus christ
>>333021871
>tru at least for fighting games
No, anon. It just has to be done right but that takes effort and why would devs put in effort?
>>333021680
Just because shitty modelers exist doesn't mean that 3D is a mistake.
>>333029457
fun fact: the ARK system works+unreal designers offered SNK the process on how they did their character designs for the new KOFsnk said no
>>333040553
Do you have a source for that?
>>333040553
>company attempting to make game inexpensively turns down expensive method for rendering characters
shocking
>>333040553
>>333040553
Now im even more mad that the new KoF looks like absolute shit.
I mean the models are okayish but the animation is fucking horrendous and watching those trailers makes me depressed as fuck.
