>Fallout 1 & 2
Good for their time, great story for their time..
>Fallout 3
Horrific gameplay for a 2008 game Horrific physics
Horrific graphics
Copy paste world with badly scripted random events
Minimal boring, and short story, with about 5 side quests.
Bad dialog choices
>Fallout new vegas
Improved gameplay
Improved physics
Memorable map with more important locations, and less copy paste raider dens.
[Content not included due to time restraints]
[content cut due to time restraints]
Great story, but as the creators wanted could have been improved.
Tons of side quests..
Great meaningful dialog choices
>Fallout 4
"Optimized game-play"
Improved physics
Improved graphics
Improved map with a few important locations, but mostly raider dens
More realistic colorful palette
Cliche rehashed story with repetitive side quests, go here kill this, grab this, simple quests, and easily miss-able random events, pointless miscellaneous fetch quests.
Settlement babysitting.
Useless settlers.
>>333015268Shit accidentally posted early
So /v/, When, and how will we get a great fallout game?
One that has all the benefits of fallout 4, but all the great things of fallout 1, 2, & new vegas.
>>333015268
bump
>>333015268
shit
>>333015268
>how to spot an Obsidiandrone
>>333015268
>for their time
Kill urself OP
>>333020346
Gameplay wise..
A sprite model top down strategy game that is slow and way too difficult isn't as good as a complex fun shooter RPG
>>333019917
Fallout 4 was a big step up from 3, and even NV in a lot of ways, yet the writing, and simplicity of the gameplay aren't as good as New vegas.
>>333015501
we wont
the engine is way past its limit and it will be even more painfully outdated by the time it comes out
>>333020527
>gameplay is better in New Vegas
>literally FO3 with iron sight mod
holy fuck the shills are really up today
>>333020815
Well it is better, just very slightly.
>>333020654
See thats the problem New Vegas had, when it came out it was painfully stuck with a shitty old engine, and I feel even-though fallout 4's version of the engine has been tweaked, and expanded, A new fallout will suffer the same fate.
>>333020815
>Run around a grey empty world stuck with the same shitty guns because its the only way to play
>Run around a more colorful world full of things to actually do rather than just people to shoot at. You can actually play a melee character, or craft your own bullets, mod your own guns, tell your companions what to do, aim down the sights of a gun, and the cross-hairs of the scopes are actually viable. Armor works like it should, guns work like they should, Multiple types of ammo, generally a bit more realistic, and survialistic.
>>333021341
>Run around a more colorful world full of things to actually do
stopped reading the obvious shilling here
literally describing a brown world as colorful
holy fuck obsidrones are desperate
>>333021571
Oh? I don't get it. Why would you come to a thread that you know in would contain "shilling". Why don't you just hide the thread?
>>333015268
>fallout 7
>>333021571
>literally describing a brown world as colorful
It's better than 50 shades of grey and green
It's also simply realistic, are you expecting a rainbow colored saints row styled Mojave DESERT?
At least the sky is blue, and the weeds are green instead of more grey and brown.
Fallout 4 did still improve on that even if the amount of unmoved debris is still annoying.
>>333020815
>>333022164
I do not understand..
>>333015268
>Fallout B
>>333022323
bait
>>333022229
>New Vegas
>One Accept or refuse quest
>One quest that leads to the same shit anyway
>FO4
>One quest that leads to the same shit anyway
You can deny quests in FO4 too.
Not a big feature, been in games for a long time.
>>333019917
>>333020815
>>333021571
So this is just being contrarian for the sake of it, right?
Nobody is actually this stupid, right?
>>333022323
>>Fallout b
>>333022419
What do you mean?
>>333022667
>pls dont bully my obsibros
epic comeback
>>333015501
>So /v/, When, and how will we get a great fallout game?
>One that has all the benefits of fallout 4, but all the great things of fallout 1, 2, & new vegas.
>>333015268
>Fallout 5
* No HP bar. Chems are removed and food is used exclusively for cooking minigames. Stimpacks work like non-addictive Jet and health regenerates instantly.
* Damage results in the screen turning red while your character holds his PipBoy to his face displaying "YOU ARE HURT. FIND COVER." in giant letters.
* Player is only allowed to hold two weapons of any kind. Inventory system is limited to ammo and crafting items.
* Armor is limited to limb add-ons and purchased via microtransactions based on the player's Charisma. This goes for large weapons as well.
* Every single environment is littered with chest-high walls. Sneak also doubles as a third-person cover system.
* All dungeons are one way corridors and pseudo corridors, with looting areas replaced by setpeices.
* Radiation mechanic is removed. Irradiated areas simply act as "RETURN TO THE COMBAT ZONE" states.
* Perks are removed altogether along with skills, with the only remaining option a selective straight increase of SPECIAL integers. Everything else is completely linear JRPG style.
* Dialogue options are completely removed, replaced with "press A to keep talking".
* During combat, player can spew profanities and make lewd gestures toward enemies using taunt buttons.
* Protagonist starts game in a vault overrun by super mutants only to be liberated by the Brotherhood of Steel which he joins immediately.
* Plot twist involves protagonist being the President of the United States with amnesia.
* Super mutants are retconned as the result of a joint Russian/Chinese project and FEV was conceived for biological warfare.
* Power Armor is available from the very beginning of the game but only as unlockable DLC.
* Factions are removed entirely. Player is allied with the BoS at all times.
* Engine locked at 30 fps.
* Mouse disabled in PipBoy and menus.
* Game Over screen is Vault Boy flipping the player off with one hand and $60 in marked bills in the other.
>>333022938
>Fallout 4
Fun to play
>Fallout 1,2 and new vegas
Fun to explore and adventure into the world, and it's quests..
Mix them together now!!
Sure FO4 is a step backwards from 3 but look at it another way, it's got more choice and depth than skyrim at least.
>Fallout New Vegas
>Memorable map
At least 3 tried to make you feel like you were in a city. Obsidian just stuck the strip in the desert and called it a day.
>>333023090
>Mix them together now!!
Ain't gonna happen, kid.
>>333023002
>protagonist is the POTUS>lewd taunts
Nothing wrong with these
>>333022557
>You can deny quests in FO4 too.
Yeah, by walking away mid conversation. Which is retarded in a game that has dialogue 'choices'. You should be able to tell whatever character that you don't really give a fuck instead of just running away from them like an autist.
>>333023305
you can tell preston garvey to fuck off but the quest sits in your log forever unless you use the console, which I did to allow me to murder all of them.
>>333023090
>New Vegas
>Fun to adventure into the world
>>333015268
new vegas is the same game you dumb fuck. you'd think with all the praise obshitian gets from dipshits like you they would know how to make their own game without needing to stand on someone else's shoulders, but when they actually make a game of their own they make a buggy jankfest like alpha protocol or a game that looks like it was made in 1999. meanwhile bethesda continues to make industry-leading games yet takes shit for it from twerps like you.
what a meme.
>>333015268
You were doing good until
>improved physics
>memorable map
Fallout NV was as shit as 3. The map was shit, the only memorable thing about it was the invisible walls fucking everywhere
>>333023184
That is bigger than modern las vegas..
This is supposed to be a nuked cut up 1940's style vegas..
You got inner new vegas strip, that was meant to be one whole place, freeside, westside, outer vegas, south vegas, north vegas, the sewer and the thorn, and gun runners. it's bigger than diamond city, megaton, or good neighbor.
>>333023593
>The map was shit, the only memorable thing about it was the invisible walls fucking everywhere
But muh big dinosaur, boomers, and new vegas.
Also the invisible walls were an error by the developer as the forgot to remove them before the game came out.
>>333023557
Well said, my friend! Obsidrones will never learn, am I right?
>>333023557
Obsidian is a smaller company than Bethesda, both companies are absolute trash when it comes to gameplay, but Obsidian can at least make compelling stories and characters to mask it. Bethesda just makes drivel. Plus, you mentioned Alpha Protocol, which is probably has the best choices that actually matter in a game to date.
>>333023557
>I-It's the same game!
This meme still exists?
>>333023823
agreed
its fucking retarded
New Vegas is just a fucking mod for FO3
Maybe the next game will be better written.
But it's Bethesda, so I'm not hopeful.
>>333023184
But that's how vegas is...
>>333023709
Bullshit. If you get to the areas the block off there's nothing there. And if they really wanted to they could have updated the game to remove them
New Vegas was a better RPG than 3
>>333023092
>Depth than Skyrim
The lore in Skyrim is pretty good.
>spend whole game wandering filthy exhausting depressing desert
>find Jacobstown, holy fuck I want to live here
>giga orcs only community
Where are some good places to live?
Lucky 38 has the best location but looks dusty as fuck and I'm literally inside Mr House, and Big MT is too far away to keep going back to every night.
>>333023184
>HELIOS One
>Jacobstown
>Novac
>Strip + Freeside
>Lake Mead
>Nellis AFB
>the main quest path that lets you see most of this cool stuff before ending at the Strip
Reminder not to respond to F3 shills
>>333024553
NV was a better everything than 3.
>>333024817
You can't live in one of the Jacobson bungalows?
Also you could try the scavenging platform, or one of the empty houses in prim, good springs, novac, or niption.
The safe-houses you are given work too.
>>333025050
I don't want to live with dirty mutants, and I'd rather use a full player home with safe containers. Owned bed for Well rested, too.
I guess I'll just have to use multiple safehouses as dropoff points with Sink as my main base.
Just be yourself!
>banned from every casino with my 7 + 2 luck
>already blew all my caps on implants and unique weapons
How else to get dosh?
>>333024817
>not wanting to live in the lucky 38 suite, looking over all of vegas and being afforded with safety and luxuries
>>333025364
>dusty ancient suite not cleaned in over a hundred years
>literally inside Mr House's body which is pretty gay
>always have a securitron minder so you can't have a fap without Victor yelling WHERE TO PARDNER
It's useful and strategic, I'll give you that. If I got to stay in the penthouse instead I might deal with the robots.
>>333025530
>>literally inside Mr House's body which is pretty gay
>He doesn't want to live inside Based House's cold scientific 200 foot tall body.
>>333023002
You forgot RPG of the Decade
>>333025027
NV was a F3 with popular mods.
Most of the things that made NV stand out (survival mode, crafting system, diverse companions, enemy factions, iron sights) were already available as mods months before the development of NV began.
>>333025736
Except NV also had a good story and a nice world.
It also was nice that they bothered to implement all the things that people turned to modders to do from day 1, rather than just going "lol, mods will fix it". Whereas 3 needs mods.
>>333025530
just kill mr house and place yes man inside the mainframe for company
>>333025801
And how exactly?
I'll give you that 2% if the quests were better as you fags are only cherrypicking the few quests were you could try a different approach (for the same outcome).
Is it just me or do all the New Vegas endings suck?
>Legion end
>rape and slavery for everyone and it gets worse once Caesar dies
>House end
>Vegas is secure but the rest of the wasteland still sucks
>NCR end
>least worst but the NCR is still deeply flawed and lots of okay communities doing fine will get muh freedoms taken away
>independent
>nothing changes
>>333015268
I actually had a lot of fun with Fallout 4. It was worth the money to me, even though it was on sale. I'll probably end up picking up the dlc for it. Either that or just install the pirated dlc with the mexus mod manager lol. That's what I did with all of the New Vegas dlc.
>>333025987
In theo ff chance you're not b8ing, the maion thing that had NV catch my attention while I dropped F3 earyl on were the skill checks. My character being a doctor actually felt like a fucking doctor because of the medicine skill checks, my character as a scientist actually felt like one because of quests that used the skill. 3 had very littleo f that.
Oh, and, Bethesda's general ineptitude when it comes with Fallout storytelling. They do fine with TES, but it's obvious Todd doesn't give a fuck about what Fallout is.
>>333025987
It helps that it actually lets you roleplay by giving you choices in all of the quests and story. It also reintroduces roleplay mechanics that Fallout 3 either removed or dumbed-down, like traits, factions, and reputation.
>>333026145
I hated it at first, but once the opening sequences were over it was okay. Then I decided to try Project Brazil for NV halfway through and when I went back to 4 it was just so boring.
The only way to enjoy Fallout 4 is to go full Brotherhood of Steel
>Cleansing the filth
>Live in a swanky ass blimp
>Fly around in Vertibirds
>Fuck Synths
>Kill your faggot son
>Shit on the Tumblr Railroad
>Minutemen can fuck off they're useless
>Bring order to the Commonwealth
>>333025882
It had a mostly good stiry, I'll give you that.
You saying that stealing mod content from a previous game is not lazy developing is plain retarded.
Now imagine they didn't steal intellectual property from modders, NV wouldn't be finished until 2020.
>>333026334
Being a spaze muhreen is cool and all but hunting down rogue synths was also pretty cool.
It was a real missed opportunity to bring back That Gun.
>>333026242
Yeah, another thing modders released 2 years before NV released.
You guys are always trash talking vanilla 3 when NV is just an unstable compilation of mods with a good story.
>>333026341
Except here's the thing, the fact that they bothered the implement it anyway rather than just expecting the community to fix their game is good of them. Especially since console plebs don't have mods so have to rely on this kind of mercy from developers.
Obsdian didn't expect the community to pick up the slack for them, they released a good game so now modders can worry about making mods that expand upon it rather than fixing it. But ultimately what is your point? You agree NV had all this good stuff, what's the problem?
>>333026631
That's because vanilla 3 sucked and NV didn't.
You can harp on about ripping off mods or whatever until you're blue in the face, it doesn't make 3 any more good or NV any less fun.
>>333026631
A good story, implemented into a better world that allows for the gameplay to be executed in the spirit of Fallout. Even if Fallout 3 had all the mechanical features of NV it would shit because Bethesda doesn't understand how to write Fallout and how to make the game come togetehr as an experience. Just read the fucking picture. But obviously you're already convinced that super cool shooty game with the cool nuke theme is better than everything else, so I won't respond to you any longer.
>>333026341
I wonder what is your opinion on Fallout 4 and its "brand new features".
>>333026661
Bethesda had to build an engine from scratch and turned Fallout into 3d and most people loved it.
3 already had a ton of content something modders expanded upon.
I hate the use of the word entitlement but it seems oddly correct. I do not know what your point is when you want another 50 hours of content on top of the 60 you already got.
My point is that Obsidian copied all those mods instead of putting any own effort into it and people like you list it as something Obsidian brought to the table which simply isn't true.
What they made is a good story and a halfway interesting setting.
Everything else was Bethesda and the modding community.
>>333027007
>Bethesda had to build an engine from scratch
>>333027007
>Bethesda had to build an engine from scratch
>>333027007
>Bethesda had to build an engine from scratch
>>333026774
The story is shit, I would have rather seen Obsidian writing it.
It is a shame that skills are gone but at least Beth knows how to keep a franchise alive, Obsidian would've made one good game releases in 2020 and/or go bankrupt halfway.
>>333026097
War never changes breh. Also >expecting any moral good from Legion.
The point of the paths were that they were all "good" but with more than its own share of pronounced flaws. The best you're going to get in terms of objectivity is to do shit like help Goodsprings out and also to kill off the Powder Gangers.
There are some "good" ending slides, but alot of them are honestly depressing but there's a very "realist" nature to a lot of them.
War never changes, but hope never hurts.
>>333027257
The franchise isn't alive.
It's an exhumed corpse that gets dressed up in new clothes every couple of years.
>>333027261
The legion might have a point if they weren't anti-tech dumbfucks and had a secure system of succession, but for now I'm just waiting until I finish every non-main quest to murder all of them with Boone.
>>333027090
They did. Just not for 3 but Oblivion.
>>333025530
you can live in the penthouse, and your companions won't take your shit, and it has like two beds.
>>333015268
>Fallout 4
>Improved map with a few important locations
Hahahahaha get the fuck out
>>333025361
Kill the gun runners and sell their corpses to the machine in the front!
>>333027492
Caesar's point is that the Legion stands for everything the NCR doesn't.
His entire master-plan hinges on the Legion destroying the NCR and collapsing after he dies. So a better, stronger, synthesis of both governments can come out of it.
>>333027257
So it's okay when Bethesda is stealing mod content from a previous game and it's not lazy developing?
>>333027460
Oh so you don't like how the franchise developed and now you close your eyes and ears and sing.
Very mature.
>>333027721
>So it's okay when Bethesda is stealing mod content
nobody was praising bethesda though
>>333027768
I'm not ignoring anything.
I'm just saying if Fallout ended with 2 absolutely nothing would have changed. The leap between 2 and 3 is so huge that 3&4 could just as well be a new IP when the only links to the originals are entirely superficial.
ITT
>>333027460
>I don't like it so everyone else is wrong
Your retarded
>>333027515
By that logic everyone needs to build an engine from scratch.
>>333028314
nobody likes it, but youtubers, and beta autistic nerds you find watching youtubers play it, along with FNAF, undertales, halo, mario, assassin's creed, and COD
>>333027721
I'd say it's a big difference when you're simply reusing a mechanic a modder in Gamebryo has made opposed to building a mechanic from the ground up in the Creation engine.
>>333028314
Dude, even when it came out the original fanbase absolutely despised it.
Just ask NMA what they think of Fallout 3.
>>333028508
>Gamebryo
>Creation engine
Those 2 things are one and the same.
>>333027007
>Bethesda had to build an engine from scratch
>>333028550
NMA is worse than /v/ when it comes to understanding than the opinion of some salty faggots OTI does not matter.
>>333028989
Everyone both here and there knows bitching about shitty games isn't going to change developer's minds.
I just want to bitch about shitty games for the sake of it.
>>333015268
>great story for their time..
what does that even mean?
>>333029064
For the sake of what?
>>333029196
The catharsis of yelling at people on the internet.
>>333025164
beta travis>"manly" travis
>>333028989
Could always be worse.
>>333029447
You have to admit that people claiming that 3 was clunky never played the old Fallouts.
And for a lot of people the graphics are atrocious.
>>333030070
He don't have to. I've played original Fallout games and still consider Fallout 3 as a clunky bullet sponge shooter.
>>333030070
>play 2008 fpsrpg
it plays like shit
>play rpg from the 90s
it plays like an rpg from the 90s
gee.
>>333020527
>A sprite model top down strategy game that is slow and way too difficult isn't as good as a complex fun shooter RPG
This is an opinion, your opinion, not a fact.
Both can be equally good, you might just not enjoy one or the other, doesn´t make either one better or worse.
And bethesad games were never complex, much less since they started making everything a shooter with or without guns.
>>333022762
>call everyone obsidian-something
Flawless stratagem.
>>333024817
small time
There was nothing wrong with fallout 3 except shitty animations.
>>333033187
>shitty gameplay
>shitty story
The rest of the game is arguable.
>>333015268
>Fallout new vegas
>Improved gameplay
Iron sights was a very tiny improvement
Improved physics
Same as Fallout 3 not improved
>Fallout 4
>Improved physics
Still the same as 3
Improved graphics
No
>>333033371
>shitty story
The only plothole was how the general was able to get into the geck vault and you could attribute that to gameplay and story segregation.
There are more plotholes in NV (why did Caesar not check the robot army after you, House predicted a nuclear fallout up to one week but forgot about Yes Man going rogue, Caesar openly admits he wants the Legion to fail after defeating the NCR but literally everyone can hear him in the tent, Caesar does not care for using the power of Hoover Dam but does not destroy it either etc
>>333026718
Are you seriously trying to say that vanilla NV is a great game? Am i the only one who remembers how SHIT that game was at launch? It funnels you through all the stupid set pieces right out of the gate and the world was empty as all fuck. Any enemies you encountered were scripted to remain in that one spot and that one spot only. If you walked in any given direction in Fallout 3 you were bound to encounter rouge robots, slavers, ghouls, super mutants, and a shit ton of raiders. Not to mention bounty hunters depending on your karma. In NV you had random hit squads from enemy factions attack from time to time, but that's about it. you only fight mutants in black mountain, or in any location where it's tied to a quest line. Same goes for robots, raiders and just about any other enemy. F3's map was definitely more fun to explore. Sure NV was written better, but the problem is, it"s only good when your following the script, once you try to explore and experience the world organically (especially on a second playthrough) it just feels empty.
>>333019917
>hot spot a "bethesdron" with a worse opinion
Every Bethesda game, including NV, feels like shit. They're terrible.
>>333024001
>hurr
>>333034547
Shhh don't say that too loud or the autists will flip their shit
>muh story
>muh characters
>muh fallout experience
>>333034974
>muh epic world full of copypasted buildings
>muh hordes of bullet sponge bad guys to shoot
>muh "enviromental storytelling" made of le funny teddy bears and skeletons in toilets
>muh fat man dude nuclear exploshuns epic xD
Fallout 3 sure is superior game.
>>333035629
NV had all that too and was still a bugfest.
>>333015268
>I played all of Fallout NV, a little of Fallout 3, and read articles and posts here about Fallout 4, and now I think I have opinions about the Fallout series.
I want people more than a full decade younger than me to leave.
Mr. House>Normie California Republic>Chad's Legion.
>>333015268
New Vegas was best Fallout game but 3 had best setting.
4 is boring as shit. 50 hours in and I still need to finish it but I can't be bothered anymore.
>>333034505
And also, you know. Why does it matter if the Enclave takes over the water purifier since the president is dead and infecting the thing with FEV was his idea? Or why can't your radiation immune companions activate it? The entirety of Little Lamplight.
>why did Caesar not check the robot army after you, House predicted a nuclear fallout up to one week but forgot about Yes Man going rogue, Caesar openly admits he wants the Legion to fail after defeating the NCR but literally everyone can hear him in the tent, Caesar does not care for using the power of Hoover Dam but does not destroy it either
Those aren't plotholes, those are people being dumb.
>Fallout 1,2,New Vegas
>Fallout games
>Fallout 3,4
>Brotherhood of Steel Spin offs
Why so much focus on that shitty faction?
Why not a Followers of Apocalypse focused game? They are a million times better.
>>333036313
Nah, 2 had the best setting bar none.
>>333036459
I want a Fallout where I can join the Enclave and wipe out the Brotherhood once and for all.
>>333036459
Because they have a cool name.
And on that note I'm amazed Bethesda haven't decided to use the Followers of the Apocalypse yet.
>>333015268
Fallout 1 and 2 are fun if you can get into their awkwardness. It's the kind of game you got and played and adjusted to their crap factor but then found out it's really good, and you can play over and over. You had nothing else to do, you just had this game and no internet connection.
Fallout 3 would be fine, on the same level as Fable, if it wasn't called "Fallout"
NV is about the best thing they could have done with F3, the only thing I'd have suggested they add at the last minute is a more compact UI so you don't have to download DarnifiedUI. The cut content is a fucking shame
haven't tried F4, heard it's a bad FPS that dropped the RPG elements like allocating stats and point, and I've seen the screenshots where all of your dialogue choices translate into "yes"
>>333026334
DEATH, IS A PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVE TO COMMUNISM.
Literally the best part of the game.
>>333036646
/thread
>>333036646
The FPSness of 4 isn't that bad.
That is until you get to higher levels with enemies that take hundreds of bullets. It's not uncommon to run into Monty Python tier fights with ghouls and robots where all their limbs come off but this nugget is still trying to fight you anyway.
>>333036709
>Rigging Liberty Prime to blow, destroying the Brotherhood HQ to the last man.
Destroying those dickheads is fun even in shitty games.
>>333036646
>The cut content is a fucking shame
blame consoles
>>333015268
Dont worry bruh, Fallout:New Orleans by Obsidian is due to come out in october 2017, and it will literally fix everything
>>333036893
Stop getting my hopes up Anon
>NV thread
What mods are you playing around with nowadays? Not the big ones like Project Nevada, but some lesser known ones you happen to like. I finally finished my NCR and Legion runs so i've exhausted endings but still want to play more
>>333037048
Currently playing Cogito Ergo sum with the Type 6 body. Run your own whorehouse, pretty fun.
I generally avoid total conversion mods as they tend to fuck up everything with useless features like freaking bullet time. What next? Time rewind from prince of persia?
I am also open to suggestions about mods that make small changes.
>>333037048
New Vegas Redesigned 3 is amazing. You might want to check it out, if you hadn't yet.
>Van Buren got cancelled
>BoS didn't.
Why were Interplay so retarded?
>>333023002
You just described Brotherhood of Steel.
>>333037048
Sprint mod, smoking mod, secret stash radio mod, Nevada skies
>>333026334
The one thing Fo4 did right is remember that the BoS are a bunch of jerks that were only a few steps shy from being the Enclave.
>>333037175
Have you tried the Quick Start mod? It starts you outside of Doc's house and lets you pick all your character creation stuff from the start. You still have to go through all the "dlc pack has been loaded" stuff.
>>333037275
>1gb total for everything required
That seems excessive for some NPC changes, but I'll try it
>>333037275
Some of the changes are ok but some are just plain wrong (the crusifiction with nails thing).
>>333037709
>Quick Start mod
eh whats the point? Its not like Doc takes that much of your time
New playthrough go
>>333040513
I've already done 3, one more
>>333015268
>Good for their time
They're still good.
>Improved gameplay
They improved jack shit, but you can't make good out of bad.
Fallout 3 is a fucking turd and so is NV, but NV is mostly fault of the engine being forced onto Obsidian.Fallout 4 isn't that bad desu senpaitachi, it's a decent shooter.
>>333040972
are you actually, seriously, literally, honestly implying that F4 has something over NV? In any way, shape or form?
You are a piece of shit.
>>333041068
I'm implying Fallout 4 isn't a crippled abomination of RPG/FPS, it actually goes and becomes a decent shooter unlike NV.
Too bad shooting is the only thing you'll be doing in 4. Dialogue choices are inexistent, you play a premade character that you only adjust stats of, which seals the deal as not being an RPG.
>>333041068
Not him but better gunplay for sure, maybe also graphics, rest is worse
>>333041348
Beth stopped pretending they're making an RPG, which is a GOOD thing, I'd rather a decent shooter than whatever the fuck 3/NV was. They also made power armor into actual fucking power armor, albeit I dislike the whole power core thing, they shot themselves in the foot by advertising the game on power armor customization.
>>333015268
NV is literally just a reskin of 3, it's yellow instead of green and it takes place in a desert instead of a wasteland
they're both equally shitty games, though I slightly prefer 3 because I played it first
>>333041530
If you base it on gameplay alone then yes.
But in that sense 1&2 absolutely suck.
>>333015501
We wont now that bethesda knows that people dont care about an in depth game like vegas and they'll eat something pretty good like 4 up they wont try anymore
>>333015501
Whenever the remains of Van Buren get leaked to the public and some hero out there finishes it.
>>333041612
It's hard to compare CRPGs to 3D open-world RPGs, but I'd say 1 & 2 are quite good for what they are (especially at the time), while the modern Fallout games are kind of bad because they're trying to be too many things at the same time, and they end up being disappointing in every aspect because of it.
Also the reason I'm not a fan of this series is because I played ALL of them the wrong way. I tried to roll a Charisma character in every single one of these games, thinking I could sweet-talk my way out of most encounters.
But none of the games allow you to do that (despite having seemingly a lot of non-combat stats/skills/perks), and I end up getting fucked up in every forced combat situation due to my poor build.
I know part of it is my fault, but I still think it's bad game design that they allow that to happen. In VTM:B for example, I rolled a Toreador character and I don't remember having as much trouble, at least not until the sewers anyway. And that game was rushed out.
>>333042640
To be fair I kind of agree.
Charisma has always been the worst attribute by far despite being tied to possibly the best skill. 2 kind of tried to rectify that a bit but it was still more or less useless outside of extremely specific situations.
>>333036459
>Why not a Followers of Apocalypse focused game?
Please no.
They'd make it railroad-tier retarded when they are genuine good people with a brain.
>>333027515
nope
Morrowind is still gamebryo
>>333037048
I just installed, NMCs Textures pack, EVE - Essential Visual Enhancements, Nevada Skies and Wasterland Flora Overhaul.
