>Game has deep gameplay element
>Too retarded to learn the mechanics
What's her name?
Street Fighter
>>333009827
this
any MOBA
a few of the more complex or execution-heavy fighting games
Dante in DMC4
>tfw you will never be as good as the people in dmc webms
>>333009827
This. Pretty much every 2D fighter actually.
>>333010072
>tfw can't into Style Switching
I can do shit with Vergil, Nero, and Trish just fucking fine.
Dante is just impossible for me unless I play DMC3.
>>333009703
armoured core v
>>333009827
Not hard to learn more like hard to execute I'm all for fighters but SF games are a whole new level of retarded they want to you slam the next button you push out to get a combo
Plinking in SF4 isn't even legit it was a mistake confirmed by namco and jjst said "meh fgc fags will just find a way to exploit it" 2 frames instead of 1 to link 1 hit.
Street fighter has always been shit this is what I've learned after the blunder that was 5 and its only popular here because you dont actually have to know anything besides spacing.
>>333010347
Holy shit
>Namco
Capcom sorry namco can actually make fighters.
>>333009703
>Ace Combat
>DMC 3/4
>Armored Core 4Answer
>Vanquish
I fully except I will never be good enough to enjoy any of these to their full depth.
>>333009703
FF8
I just don't understand junctioning... Even to this day
>>333010072
>Literally need to break the games coding to actually style
Resonance of Fate
CK2. I have 80 hours and I have no idea what I'm doing. I generally just try to spread my seed as far and as incestuously as possible.
None.
The real problem is execution. Some of the shit I've seen in DMC combo videos and such is sadly probably beyond what I'm capable of. I still have issues EX-Acting with Nero ffs.
I want to get into DMC, what are must-plays and which ones should I avoid?
>>333010508
>I had use the targeting system in PS2 Shinobi and I did not know he had different types of magic until long after I beat the game.
I love silly stories like that. The irony of it all you were so skillful you didn't need any of that magic.
>>333011232
Play DMC1, DMC3: Special Edition, and DMC4:SE
Avoid DMC2. DmC is optional and is basically a love it or hate it game, and for good reason. And I really do mean optional, since it's really not a real DMC game.
>>333010872
Sounds like you know exactly what you're doing.
Vicky 2 is that game for me.
Fuck if I ever look at the Pops screen or any of the trade screens. It has an "automatic" button so why would I?
>>333010458
It's literally "attach magic to a stat to increase it". Not rocket surgery anon.
>>333011410
Thanks, pal.
>>333010723
A thousand times this.
Feels bad.
Hearts of Iron 3
>play EU, Vicky2, and CK2 religiously
>HOI3 makes me feel like a big dumb baby
Skullgirls.
>tfw never bothered to learn anything but simple combos
>>333009703
Literally any fighting game, ever.
>>333010431
i too enjoy party games
>>333011493
Just pick up the HD collection of DMC1-3. PC port is the best since you can use the Style Switcher mod with DMC3:SE.
>Puyopuyo
It hurst that my chain will never exceed 5 on purpose.
Also
>Jump quests in Maplestory
I'm glad it's over.
>>333010458
Juctioning is so easy though.
Stronger spells = higher stats
Some spells increase some stats more than others, these are almost always extremely intuitive (cure/a/ga gives more HP than other spells, Life/Full Life give the most)
Ultima gives more of anything than any other spell, but it's a huge bitch to get it in any significant quantities.
Basically just use mod skills to turn items into spells, max out 100 of as many spells as possible, as soon as you can, do the rank advance to max out your -aga stacks, junction curaga to HP, firaga to attack and whatever the fuck else you want and roflstomp through the rest of the game.
>>333011841
Also, with a good enough spell on magic, a full enough spell inventory and some half-decent support from your other two characters, Rinoa using Angel Wing Limit can solo the last boss.
>>333009703
talking to girls
>>333012062
It's just a a series of quarter circles and light/med punches. Just watch your meter and health and use EX wisely and you'll be fine.
>>333010072
I'm good at any platinum/clover game and NGB but I still can't play DMC4 like I wish. It requires a hell lot of multitasking.
>>333012317
If talking to girls were just a series of quarter circles and light/med punches, I'd be swimming in pussy.
every fighting game ever
>>333009703
Knights in the Nightmare.
>tutorials upon tutorials upon tutorials
>supposedly all vital shit you need to know
Fuck that.
>>333009703
Any Street Fighter game.
stop making these threads you autist
>>333012317
>>333012468
it is but they don't want you to know that.
What's more difficult is finding a girl that's worth a shit since feminism successfully destroyed everything.
>>333012468
See you're playing talking to girls like blazeblue when it's more like Street Fighter. Or Smash if you're into THOSE kinds of girls but I wouldn't recommend it.
>>333012698
You actually screencap all of my threads? Holy shit dude what's wrong with you?
>>333012783
I looked up the filename on the archive
again, stop making these threads you autist
>>333012631
Holy shit I remember trying to play that.
I got baffled at like the tenth? stage I think, because I was either completely playing it wrong, or it requires some exceptional grinding.
It was a cakewalk until that stage. Fuck.
>>333010072
I couldn't even finish DMC4. I got stuck at the Dante fight in the giant bedroom.
>>333012760
>See you're playing talking to girls like blazeblue when it's more like Street Fighter. Or Smash if you're into THOSE kinds of girls but I wouldn't recommend it.
Nigga, I PLAY SF and Smash. Those are my games and I don't see any girls trying to talk to me.
>>333009703
Any fighting game.
>>333012860
>I looked up the filename on the archive
What the fuck is wrong with you?
path of exile
I play casually but holy shit I can't make my own build to save my life. There is way too much to learn.
>>333012783
It's not even hard to get.
Fucking newfag autist.
F-zero X.
I have played basically every other AG racer on this planet and learned to at the very least competency, even GX, but I just cannot get into X.
>>333012973
Apply what you know from those games to talking to girls. Except the smash one, don't go for those girls, you can do better.
>>333012973
literally believe you're god and then give into their desires.
that's what women want. they want to fuck a god while also being babied like a literal baby because then it PROVES they're the best if they have sex with a god to their peers.
literally just think of the best way to boost their ego. that's ALL it is.
>>333013048
stop making these threads you autist
>Too retarded
Lame excuses. Unless you're literally retarded or disabled the only thing that's stopping you is being a lazy fuck.
>>333010723
But its easy once you understand that you're basically playing chess
>>333013246
Uhm no? What are you going to do about it??
>>333013412
stop making these threads you autist
>>333013503
uhm ya? that's what i fucking thought? i can do whatever i want, how i want and there's NOTHING you can do about it.
All of FF VIII
>>333009703
Blazblue
>>333013657
stop making these threads you newfag autist
>>333013748
keep whining. you don't know what it feels like to be truly free. maybe you should open your mind up anon and stop lingering in your normal bullshit. try and stop me again?
>>333012698
leave sad yoshi along
>>333013813
what the fuck are you talking about you mouthbreathing retard
stop making these threads
>>333013907
nope. you will never stop me. the full control of my own body and spirit far surpasses the darkness bellowing within my soul. my mighty grasp of championing the deepest regret and desires. you shall not beat me.
>>333014062
>>333009703
Monster Hunter
CBF with the time commitment.
>game has deep complex mechanics
>game is so piss-easy you don't need them
>>333009703
>Too retarded to learn the mechanics
No, your just being lazy dipshit
>Bayonettas item where you can guard anything if you press the incoming direction
>Dante's crimson guard
>Street Fighters option selects
>Soul Caliburs parry mechanic
>anything in melee
Granted I haven't put much time into any of it minus a few OS in street fighter.
>>333012783
>>333013048
>>333013412
>>333013657
>>333013813
>>333014062
>if i pretend to be an edgelord faggot, maybe they'll think im being ironic!
actually real life reconsider yourself
The Last Radiant or whatever the heck that Square RPG on Steam is called.
I played the tutorial and felt to intimidated to continue. They throw everything and the kitchen sink at you in the first 5 minutes.
>>333015247
LOL. Wow. What makes you think that?
>>333014907
Kingdom Hearts 2
>>333009703comp TF2
Pretty much any fighting game for me.
At least I still have a lot of fun against the AI.
>>333009703
Hearts of Iron 34 looks just as bad despite adding more pictures
>>333017506
>Black people are so dumb!
>Have black people in the FGC worlds best players in America
>>333014907
Golden Sun
>>333009703
Bionic Commando on NES
I want to learn it, it looks like decent Spider-Man type grappling
>>333015502
>always bad at guarding in every type of game
>playing KH and don't really get guard down
>don't even need it even on higher difficulties
>>333010434
What is difficult to understand about Ace Combat? It's an easy arcade flying game
>>333015502
What depth does KH2 have
>>333009703
Total War.
I am dogshit at RTS. I wish they were turn based because everything else about the series appeals to me.
>>333015297
Kind of felt the same with FF type 0. Plus I accidentally skipped the intro cause I was trying to turn subtitles on. Couldn't bring myself to play past the first few hours. Good thing I only rented it.
>>333009703
Dwarf Fortress. I read the stories that people post and I want to play. Then I open up the 67,104 page manual with size 4 text and immediately get demotivated.
>>333009703
I played it and already fucking beat it years ago.
I tried to get back into a few weeks ago.
I'm NOT relearning this shit. Jesus fucking christ.
Fucking Armored Core is easier to get into than this.
>>333009703
PES
Pokemon
>>333018082
You can pause the battles anytime you want, and as many times as you want
And you can play in super slow motion too if you want
>Game has deep gameplay mechanics
>Not autistic enough to learn the mechanics
Fix'd it for you
>Tfw I will never be able to play vanilla unmodded Dorf Fort
I can't even wrap my head about it when it's modded to fuck to be easy.
>>333009703
Dwarf fortress has always sounded fun and interesting but fuck getting into that game.
>>333009703
Tales of Zestiria.
Im just too adhd to learn it.
>>333010347
Leave it to /v/ to be retarded.
>>333018249
There is an autist on youtube called captainduck who made some very good tuts that got me into DF. They are old now so some info might be incorrect but you will likely get the basics from it and can explore the rest.
>>333018249
>>333018367
>Dwarf Fortress
>Knights in the Nightmare
These are the only two legitimately good answers in this thread.Armored Core gets an honorable mention because it's complicated as fuck but you can still do ok without mastering it. You fucking die immediately in DF if you don't understand everything ever, and you can lock yourself into a completely unwinnable scenario in KitN if you don't min/max from the start
Space Station 13 is unrepresented in here.
>>333009703
Wonderful 101.
I literally cannot git gud.
>>333009703
Neo v will literally never be able to master bunny hopping. Fucking faggots
>>333018367
I dream of someday being able to play that game. For now I am too retarded.
>>333017965
Nigga how shit do you have to be to not be able to guard in fucking KH?
>>333018070
Good point.
>>333009703
Hearts of Iron 2-3
Though it's really more of a situation where I can't be bothered practicing until I learn all the best moves/AI flaws.
UP DOWN
UP DOWN
CHU CHU CHU
>>333009703
Crazy Taxi desu
pirated it and I had no idea why I kept getting E-ranks until I found out there's a handful of techniques required to boost score, which were apparently covered in instruction manual, which I of course do not have, having burned an iso onto a cd
Any rts ever
>building my shit get first barraks going and train my very first troop
>HAHA FAGGOT HERE COMES THE ENEMY WITH 4000000 TROOPS MAX LEVELED HEROS AND SPELLS UP THE ASS READY TO FUCK YOU OVER
and then there's if I actually manage to survive up until I feel like I might be able to attack a base they rape my troops like it was nothing
I remember watching a planescape torment video and marveling the type of gameplay, knowing I'd never be able to play such a game. It's nice after playing Fallout/2 I was able to pick up Torment rather quickly
I'd say Dwarf Fortress or nethack
>>333019029
I just have rrrrreeeealllly slow reaction times.
Except for platforming games for some reason.
Everything else I am a fucking sloth.
>>333019172
If you do the Crazy Box minigames, they'll teach you the finer points.
>>333019102
Oh god, this game is fucking impossible. It requires you to have actual rhythm and not just good hand-eye-coordination.
Builder games like besiege, im just too plain.
>>333013048
>makes thread for fun
>autist tries to shut him down
just have fun buddy
>>333019228
Dwarf Fortress isn't that hard to understand, just hard to control.
Once you get the idea of how the menus are set up and how the world works it's no big deal... of course, they are unintuitive as hell.
Read the wiki and watch a youtube guide. Even if the guide is too old it'll give you an idea about what you should be doing.
Formations, be it mount and blade or some other army game I really can't seem to understand it besides the super basic "tanks in front squishies in the back"
>>333019254
Git gud nigga
Some people are just bad or good at certain genres though
I kinda suck at TBS games myself, just as an example
I beat Knights in the Nightmare while barely understanding the mechanics of the fucking game. I knew how to attack, use weapons, move my characters, and that was basically it. Fuck that game was so needlessly complicated.
And fuck the fact that if you don't go to the hidden stage and get the hidden itemor DO go to the stage and DO get the item on your second playthroughyou get locked into the bad ending... which is like 20 chapters away. FUCK.
>spacechem
>tis-100
>any 4X
>competitive fighting games
i can actually get gud when it comes to fighting games, but the technical shit goes way over my head and i don't see how it can possibly be fun
>>333019563
I have been playing games for 23 years. I'm not going to get better then this.
>>333009703
MMOs in general, especially the RPGs which have a thousand abilities and items.
No way am I gonna spend my autism trying to get a grip on what everything does.
I never get into the depths of Tales of... games' combat systems.
It's not required, since you can fairly easily beat the game by fighting normally and giving an order or two to your companions, so I don't feel like I'm missing out.
But I'll never start caring about combos, team-member-changing in the middle of combos, stances, etc. It seems like a lot of work that isn't really necessary.
KoF 2002
Every Disgaea
Baten Kaitos
Resonance of Fate
I can't play them past the minimum level to beat the main stuff, and even then I struggle.
>>333019654
>spacechem
Ah, Spacechem...
I felt so proud when I finally found a solution - and then it turned out that I was 30% slower than the average player.
>>333019660
Ouch
For me, I never bothered to try to get gud until maybe 4-5 years ago or so. Now I try to conquer all the games I'm interested in, to various degrees of success. I find that I'm actually good to decent depending on the game, but I could be much better.
Sorry to hear that Anon, but I guess video games aren't all about the difficulty either.
Third person games shit like assassin's creed or shadow of mordor or whatever it was called
>press all these buttons in a specific order to do a fancy move and hurt your enemy for a little bit more than your normal attack!
>>333014907
pokemon is the definitive answer to this
>>333020185
They're not hard to understand at all, although for the longest time, I didn't bother to do the quick gadgets.
Problem is, the Batman: Arkham games are a little cumbersome to me. Whenever they expect me to fight a boss and fight a bunch of enemies at once, I find it kinda hard to do because of how awkward it is. Considering that I'm generally very good at video games, I consider it a mark against the game itself.
>>333015124
>>Soul Caliburs parry mechanic
Is this difficult on SC past the first one? I was just playing SC1 on Dreamcast the other day and just kept hitting A at the right time to parry when faggots in Arcade Mode were trying to interrupt my button mashing
>>333018792
When I played Knights I was basically Darksydephil. I fucking bumbled my way through the game without ever really understanding anything and only using the QT knightsthe knights with the best designs were all fucking hermits
I managed to beat the game with no real problems aside from getting the bad ending because I didn't know about the secret stage. Also, the end game was really fucking boring between boss fights. Had to force myself through them.
Pic related is best knight
>>333009703
Harmonic combos in Jade Empire
Sit was hard mang
>>333019274
I couldn't get through a single one when I didn't know Crazy Dash or Crazy Drift were a thing. There's no in-game tutorial or even instructions listed somewhere, so it's a good thing I was able to look that shit up. The one downside of pirating is no instruction manual, I guess
Gran Turismo.
Elite Dangerous.
Project Cars.
Armoured Core.
:*(
>People are saying ez mode JRPGs
The fuck is wrong with you special ed niggas
Vagrant Story
Weapon system
Whoever came up with that shit should be waterboarded
>>333019863
Why 2002 in particular? Is that the only KOF you've played or was there something specific in that game that's not in 03, XI, or XIII that I can't remember right now?
Also,
>Every Disgaea
This. It's not a challenge at all to get through the main story, but fuck if I'm ever going to be able to challenge Baal or any other of the final postgame bosses in each game
>game can be completed at like level 60 with minimal grinding outside of main missions
>final enemy in postgame more or less requires grinding to 9999
When I first saw Item World I just dropped whichever game it was I was playing. I'm autistic enough to grind for materials in Monster Hunter, but nowhere near the level required to grind in a turnbased strategy game of pure, unadulterated weebshit
I'll never understand how some people find work around for certain speedruns or limited runs.
The Mario speed glitch and how he got over slopes makes me wonder how long it took the community to get to that point and if they actively sought the exploits out. Like it's pretty easy to recreate certain exploits you accidentally land on, but this shit is a new level of autism.
I struggled with enemies 3 levels above me and I never understood what gems were good or how to properly make them. Chain Attacks were weird also. Still beat the game though.
>>333022598
Forgot pic
>>333022598
RTS games it seems. But I only have 5 hours in Age of Empires. I don't like the thought of having to optimize APM. I wish there were an RTS that didn't require that.
King of Fighters, or any fighting game for that matter. XIV seems to be looking good but still
>>333022737 Whoops, didn't mean to reply to >>333022598
>>333022737
>>333022896
Fortunately Age of Empires isn't that fast-paced overall by RTS standards. One significant hurdle is learning to both follow a build order through and scout well at the same time, and trying to keep all your villagers busy and not mucking about
When I was a kid I was usually dicking about with cheat units and shit, but now that I play it prroperly at an older age it's easier to understand what you need to do. AoE II is a game of counters, and just start small and practice build orders on the AI.
>start JRPG
>battle tutorial
>you have this many points to move around in your turn after which you can do one of five things that consume a different resource in order to attack those dudes and it's your basic rock-paper-scissors-dynamite system so don't use the wrong attack or they'll get extra cranky and if you have enough of these hyper points here you can do this other thing if your other guys are over here or something oh and when you charge this bad over here you can do the mega cool shit
>then afterwards you can invest time and energy into any one of these separate systems in order to incrementally improve your guys but be careful you don't choose the wrong things because you can't undo even though you wouldn't know the tippy-top optimal strategy unless you were following a guide
>here have some equally convoluted, but distinct from each other, crafting systems that you'll need to keep in mind
>do you like minigames?
>do you want to know about timed hits?
i don't have time for this, just show me the anime tiddies
>>333009703
MOBAs. They look really interesting, but I just can't get into that level of gud. Then again the only game I really like playing online is TF2 because I've been playing it for so long, had I started now I'd be the dipshit engies building on the last point while the cart is on first, get yelled at and never play again.
>>333010072
this
>>333011794
>Jump quests in Maplestory
>>333011410
I personally loved DmC and found it more approachable than DMC3/4. It's got a much bigger emphasis on dodging and grabbing/chaining enemies than the other DMC's, which I liked. Being able to draw enemies or snap over to them made combos so insane.
>>333009703
competitive melee. TFW still pool bait in my local scene
>>333023901
Did you like or get into 3 or 4 at all?
>>333023901
probably why so many people shit on it
Guilty Gear XX
I don't think half the FGC understand half the shit that goes on in it
Smithing in Skyrim
I hope they simplify it for Skyrim 2, this game is way too hardcore IMO
>>333024495
>Bethesda
>Simplify
Oh they will. I know you're joking, but every game they've made has had less complexity than the previous.
>>333009703
Xcom
Star craft
Any Total War game
Civilization
Tropico
Etc
1080
ss13
poker
>>333009703
endless legend.
feels bad man
FFXV
>>333022598
>>333022696
This.
I just stuck to playing as Shulk the whole time. I hear you can stunlock people as Melia, but only ever tried using her for 5 mins and didn't really get it.
And I found constantly having to micromanage minuscule stat upgrades to item to be obnoxious.
Every RPG ever, senpai.
>>333019794
But learning the systems is literally what makes those games good. What else do those games have to offer? Fucking nothing.
Most JRPGs have systems that can be deep but you do't usually need to learn the in and outs to beat them. Post game is different story but more often than not, it's not a requirement.
>>333024613
We'll get the following skills:
Crafting (alchemy, smithing and enchanting merged but it has less possibilities than just one of the skills used to have in Skyrim)
Magic (destruction, restoration, alteration, illusion and conjuration merged with less spells than just two of these skills had in Skyrim)
Armor (there's no more distinction between light, medium and heavy)
Weapons (bows, swords and greatswords only, cause daggers, maces, battleaxes, warhammers, axes and crossbows are removed)
Thief (lockpicking, pickpocket and sneak, all of them watered down)
>>333022820
Imagine my surprise when I got KoF XI new on Amazon for like $3 in 2012, thinking it wouldn't be too bad, being my first SNK game, but then I had to learn Special Cancels, Super Cancels, Guard Cancels, Dream Cancels, which character to make the leader for Leader Super Specials, AND I had to deal with the most difficult boss SNK has ever created, and thus the hardest boss in fighting games history.
Fun game though. Too bad it didn't have Leona with all her /m/-based attacks
>>333009703
I could never learn how to dodge in RE3
Im pretty sure I can beat the game without it, but fuck that.
>>333026245
took me forever to learn how to do headshots in any early RE. Having to wait for zombies to get right in your face is a pain in the dick though
didn't even know you could run in RE3 either
>>333009703
pretty much every game
feels bad man ;-;
>You will never be good at breaking JRPGs the same way omegaevolution does
I don't know how he does it. Motherfucker literally has experience with almost every single JRPG in existence.
>>333009703
Dust Force.
>>333009703
>work really hard to git gud
>think I've gotten alot better, progressing through game with perseverance
>go to thread about game
>LOL THIS GAME IS TOO EASY EVEN RETARDS CAN BEAT IT, IF YOU CAN'T STEP UP SENPAI YOU NEED TO GIT GUD
>I'M PLAYING ON FUCK YOU IN THE ASS HARD AND IT'S STILL TOO EASY, I CAN LITERALLY ROLL MY FACE ON THE KEYBOARD AND WIN
I will never understand where these people come from.
>>333025923
It makes me sad knowing that this is actually believable. They already removed Mysticism and all the attributes
>>333026245
Yeah I completed it without dodging I could never do it
>>333027102
A lot of it depends on the game.
>>333027329mgs;r
i could never beat therobot dog
>>333009703
Rocket jumping/bunny hopping.
>>333027246
If all of Mysticism's effects were properly distributed I wouldn't even mind to be honest, but so many spell effects were simply lost
>>333027358
Learn to parry
>>333009703
MGRR
Couldn't even be arsed to learn the backwards leap and slash, much less the combos
Never figured out how to dodge in MGR. Parrying did the trick just fine.
>>333009703
most people suck at Super Mario 64. and i mean they REALLY suck, like stroke tier lack of coordination. the only people who deserve to play that game are speedrunners.
>>333014907
'sup, Metal Gear Rising?
Im probably retarded but I just cant get into games like Terraria. I just can't be assed to learn what to build and what to do with which tools and items
>>333014907
Crafting in most RPGs. Just not worth all that effort when you get a better sword the next town over.
>>333027409
i couldn't after about a hour and 40 mins
so i refunded
>>333027567
You build what you want. Me and my friends focused on the exploring, bettering our equipment and fighting bosses though. Building was a secondary objective every once in a while when someone thought something interesting.
>what to do with which tools and items
The crafting system literally tells you what you can do with each item and what else you need to complete it. It's much better than Minecrafts system where you NEED wiki to know the recipes.
Dwarf Fortress
Vagrant Story's weapon system
Fucking FF13's weapon system
The Last Remnant
RTS Multiplayer
>>333027625
I don't blame you man, the game is autistic as fuck at explaining its mechanics.
When the enemy's about to attack you need to tap the stick towards them, as if to walk towards them, and press square.
Parry, parry, parry, flurry kick, parry, parry, flurry kick, you win. Game is easy as fuckon Normal.
CRACK CRACK CRACK.......
>>333009703
Wargame Red Dragon. It looks simple on the surface but has so many hidden mechanics that slavic autists have mastered that multiplayer is unwinnable.
I never really got into TWEWY's partner thing. I just let them do their thing on auto and went to town with the best pins I could find.
>>333027790
>Dwarf Fortress
DF isn't actually THAT deep for what you actually have to do gameplay wise. You just need to get past the clusterfuck of an interface
>tfw can't long jump/long bunny hop jump.
I want to do all those kz maps!!! ;_;
>>333028168
You can't do the jimpity jumpity joodle? The limpity loppity leap?
>>333028106
It really only matters on the harder levels with optional bosses and stuff. Joshua's level 3 attack is the strongest in the game, making him valuable as a partner, but you can really get buy just focusing on Neku and spamming down on the dpad so Joshua dodges. iirc you get fucked out of experience or PP or something if you use auto
>>333009703
My attention span is way too low for the Crusader Kings and Europa Unversalis like games. I love the concept but I cant actually sit down and learn it. I get turned off games which are hard to get into fast which sucks.
I only started playing videogames in the past couple years (poorfag childhood, like, when pundits talk about starving children in america that was my family, we didn't even have electricity till I was in high school) and I find a lot of older games almost impossible to get into. Same goes for the more cryptic genres like 4x and grand strategy. I pushed past with a few titles, like Dwarf Fortress which is the most complex game I've ever done; other than that, my experience is usually that I boot up one of the staple videogames I see people talking about like the baldur's gates or fallout, and I make a new character and spend a lot of time trying to figure out what everything means and trying to make a character only to find some sort of barrier stonewalling me on that build, then I'm making a new character trying to figure out what was wrong, all the while I'm not having fun and I'm wondering why I didn't just boot up something I know I can get into for a few hours, like rocket league or TF2.
And if it's not the gameplay, it's the UI/controls. Fucking baldur's gate is the biggest contender here.
>>333011794
>Jump quests in Maplestory
Oh man tgat takes me back. I used to get so frustrated at them, but I eventually got gud enough at them to do them on a bunch of friends' accounts in a row.I never stole any account info.
Basically any paradox game
I will almost always hate a crafting system that goes beyond the basic. Tell me I need 4 wooden planks to make a crafting table, ok. Tell me I need to pick out the type of metal, type of blade, type of grip, and name on my custom sword, that's not too bad, we're gucci. But drop a huge ass system where everything's a precursor to a precursor to an item you need 40 of to craft a precursor to the item, with the ingredients you use at each step effecting the final stats, I'm out.
>>333028721
Wow, we're like opposites. I fucking love shit like that. Makes me cum from the tip of my genital.
>>333027408
Yeah I know, the game removed so many spells and made it so they had fixed stats. Which made most spells at the end of the game useless because the perks didn't really level them up that much
>>333028779
post cum and or genitals
k thx
>>333028667
this honestly. i tried out crusader kings 2. started a game. what the fuck does anything on this map do? how does anything work?
games which drop a shitload of systems to balance on my lap straight from the getgo freak me out.I've never played those princess maker/slave maker games without cheating because of this.
>>333028721
this sounds like factorio on bobs mods, but I guess the game is just a huge crafting game , not sure what anyone expected
>>333028804
Joke is on you I dont have a penis
I can play Dwarf Fortress and get some pretty successful forts going, but what I don't understand is a lot of the military settings, especially why you'd bother.
Set a few squads training in a barracks that watches the only way into your fort and patrols become obsolete.
I will NEVER EVER beat Jagged Allaince 2!
>>333028458
Same here. Want to make a character, find out I didn't min/max like I should've, have to start over. This goes on for hours until I'm so tired of the starting areas I just don't feel like playing through it again.
>>333028458
>And if it's not the gameplay, it's the UI/controls. Fucking baldur's gate is the biggest contender here.
wut.
The infinity Engine is a contender for one of the best UI's in gaming history.
It can be hard to get into if you dont get D&d, but the ui is not the issue
ITT: People not knowing the difference between deep and hard to execute
Street fighter is anything but deep since you always know what to do but don't have the precision to do so.
Games like >>333019794 (should've included Graces F or Xillia 2) are deeper because you have to know every characters moves to properly combo in those games. There might be guides on the internet but not as detailed as for other games
>>333014907
Every Platinum game
>>333009703I still cannot figure out how to do the whole "press forward to parry" thing in Platinum games unless I'm mashing it continuously
>>333012921
>He couldn't beat the Midterm Exam of DMC4
cmon it's not like Nero's that hard to master
>>333028458
>I make a new character and spend a lot of time trying to figure out what everything means and trying to make a character only to find some sort of barrier stonewalling me on that build, then I'm making a new character trying to figure out what was wrong, all the while I'm not having fun
I give you your point, that a lot of older games have shit UI and/or controls, but half the fun of games like that IS in figuring out the system and the rules of it yourself while starting over multiple times.
Older games absolutely have learning by failing philosophy.
If you can't enjoy that you simply should play more modern and simpler stuff like you said.
Not everyone has to enjoy the same games, despite what people on /v/ say.
Skullgirls. I know a few moves and showstoppers, and other than that, I just mash buttons.
>>333010723
Oh shit, people actually play resonance of fate. I love that game
>>333011625
this dumb cuck didn't download the full size image that also has less compression artefacts
>play Dwarf Fortress no problem
>play Space Station 13 no problem
>play EVE Online no problem
>play Dota 2 no problem
>fighting games, can't for the life of me do more than simple punches/kicks and maybe two/three button combos
>>333013720
What are you having trouble with?
>>333019871
Well, keep in mind only people of a certain persuasion play Spacechem, so it's not like you're a dunce for being worse than average. Also, there's a pretty good chance that you can improve your cycle count just by starting over now that you know what you're doing. With me, I throw the machine together without any real plan and then work the kinks out as I go, the result being that the end product is a convoluted mess that would be easy to improve, but fuck it.
>>333024423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbcHwCuZr4E
Follow the videos this guy makes and you'll have a pretty firm grasp on it.
>>333030621
>Street fighter is anything but deep since you always know what to do but don't have the precision to do so
>this is what scrubs actually believe
Mindgames and fundamentals takes you far further than proper execution you fucking shitter. Also there are various different applications to your moves that take a long time to actually figure out, in fact multiple aspects of character still haven't in SFV.
>>333011794
It's actually pretty simply in puyopuyo. Have a moment where you go full retard and stack a few of the same color then purposely block those stacks with a color you plan on stacking in the future so the future stacks come tumbling down on the past stacks thus creating a chain reaction that in turns gets you points and knocks out your opponent. The only real challenge is doing it fast enough. If you can't keep up you're fucked and those chains become all the more impossible to pull off. If you manage to survive through it you'll be able to score even more combos. Those are the fun ones.
>let your opponent push you into a corner
>pull off several ace combos and crush them
>>333013720
>using Makoto
I think we've already found the first problem.
>>333020234
Try that casual shit online, lad.
Gummi ships in Kingdom Hearts series.
I work in a company that does literal rocket science and I still can't figure out the process of building and upgrading those KH ships
>Literally no idea how chain attacks work in Xenoblade
>Asides story-wise no fucking idea what Ether is or how it works
>Barely fucking understand how fighting works at all asides the very basics
>Just wound up equipping nice looking gear and having fun exploring and with the story>I've beaten the game 3 times and still have no fucking clue
Not deep but I found out about Zora Link's electric barrier by randomly pressing buttons when bored in Termina after beating the game.
>>333034382
In my opinion, if a game features complexity that is not necessary to play the game properly, this is bad game design.
>>333034382
This stuff is pretty simple anon
Chain attacks are chance based to continue, but certain colours of attacks raise the chance, there is no need to hurry to select what you want to choose in it, you just take your time. Look up a combo guide, as certain attacks in a chain extend it, while some of it is chance.
Ether is essentially non-physical damage, that is inherently unresisted by most enemies in the game, Sharla has it, but is a healer so doesnt utilise it, and Melia is so powerful with it she breaks the game.
Fighting is simple, read what the move does, move to where it says to use it for maximum effect.
Finally gear is a long process that you do need a guide for, I'm not gonna be able to explain it efficiently
>>333034768
Xenoblade has a wealth of postgame content that requires it, but if you cant do amazing teambuilds you can still see the end of the story. The game explains it all perfectly well, its about player application. In my opinion this is great design, as in Xenoblade you can challenge enemies way above your level with a good amount of skill
Every fucking fighting game ever. Holy shit I'm so bad at them. I wanna play them against my friends and shit but I'm honestly one of the worst players I know, so I gotta say no to avoid being made fun of.
>>333009703
Dwarf Fortress.
>>333012698
I'm not him, but what's wrong with it? He's just trying to actually discuss videogames, and you want him to stop? Are you dumb, or something?
He just happen to have the same filename, and that's not even wrong.
>>333009703
Persona card bullshit, had to use hacks to finish the series
Any card game ever besides blackjack
Grand Strategy games, especially Hearts of Iron
Space Station 13.
I can do my job. I can be a janitor and clean the ship. I can be a chemist and set up cryo and make meds. I can even be an engineer and set up power. But I can never do anything wacky or exciting.
>>333028106
I was always too busy scribbling using the slash attacks to bother looking at the top screen, they did the partner attacks much better in the mobile game
>>333035543
All my mates play mortal kombat online whilst I couldn't get the combos and shit right on the tutorial. Was embarrassing as fuck
>>333036190ckey if you play on /vg/station?
try setting up the SME sometime and go for maximum amount of power, it's fun
>>333037198
I do play on /vg/ but I haven't played in a while. I think my main problem is I'm too worried that people will be upset if I cause shit so I end up just kind of blending into the background doing my job instead of having fun.Just like real life ;_;
Dota 2's denying. Fuck that shit.
>>333037323
If you're unsure about something just ahelp it, for example Probe knows a ton about Engineering.
>>333027790
>the last remnant
Came here to say this. Fun game though, I'm not sure it would have been more fun if i had known exactly what was going on with the skill progression, unlocking sidequests and weapons and drops
>>333017965
Defense is typically superior to offense in video games.
>>333009703
Civ V definitely isn't a very deep game, but I still struggle with trying to get through a game of Prince. The games just last so long and there are so many factors to consider all the time.
I really need to just do a bunch of quick games with a handful of civs to get the hang of it, but I just keep putting it off.
>>333038130
It's not always good design, though. If defense is always a superior option then no one will ever attack.
>Game doesn't have complex mechanics, you just suck at it
For me it'sTetris, and any kind of puzzle game
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>>333009703
I can't dodge/combo right in Bayonetta.
>Only have ever beaten those games in easiest mode.
In Downwell, you could perform a single walljump, however it was so finicky and situationally specific that I couldn't use it at all to my advantage
Persona 4 arena
>>333009703
Tekken
>>333041421
It's not your fault anon. You've been casualized by years of hand-holding baby games that the industry churns out so plebs can feel like they've achieved something
>>333018367
Came here to post this. Fuck this game
>>333009703
Fucking rhythm games.
>>333018367
>DS
Try playing that shit on the PSP.
>>333009703
For me, it's not so much as not being able to understand the mechanics it's more on so not being able to successfully do it after learning it. This is mainly prevalent for me in fighting games with memorizing patterns, combos, and attacks, and especially in timing.
>>333009703
Basically every game I play
