Why haven't you made your own vidya?
>>333005574
let's see
I don't have good artistic skills, I can't write, I can't code. I can't do anything right and I'm a defeatist.
Can't we just talk about how terrible Computer Science and Object Oriented Programming are instead?
>>333005574
Soon anon
I'm an artist and my brother studies Computer Science. You'll hear about us within the next decade.
>>333006309
Object oriented programming is a pretty ok way for someone to get into/start like programming. It's meant for starters/beginners. Even then some people made hit games off of these basic languages.
>>333005574
>>333006309
What's wrong with CS exactly?
I'm still trying to finish a damn Half-Life map from years ago. And I can't count, never mind learn programming and all that shit.
>>333005574
face it /v/ we're all eyedea guys here
>>333006309
Is this a joke?
Am I being baited?
>>333007194
I have a job so it's taking me more than I expected.
>>333006309
>talk to a comp sci major
>he's complaining about how tough his math courses are
>calc 3 and discrete math
>>333006861
It just seems completely useless and more like a maths degree with a fancy title more than anything else.
And programming is gay.
>>333005574
I'm not interested enough in video games to create them. I only like it here because I understand the community and enjoy the antics that happen from time to time on /v/. I've been here for way too fucking long.
>>333008463
I don't care about those courses I got screwed over badly with statistic courses. I still have nightmares.
>>333006309
>how terrible OOP is
everyone knows it's a shit idea already anon
>how terrible CS is
let me guess, maths is "like soo boring amirite"?
>>333006309
>jazz is shit because rock is better
that's you
>>333006309
>falling for the functional programming meme
>>333005574
no desire
>>333008625
>let me guess, maths is "like soo boring amirite"?
It is to most normal people, autist.
>>333008592
Holy fuck I had no clue comp sci majors were actually retards. I thought maybe the average IQ was 75-90?
>>333008643
>I don't know anything about either
that's you
Because you need:
Time
Money
Music
Art
Programming
Ideas
also
>implying making games are fun
>>333008698
It's just me. I wasn't good with probability.
I don't have any skills at all. Even if I used a baby program like Game Maker and just drag-n-dropped a game, I'd have to rely on other people for art and sound. It might as well not even be my game. I just so happened to be some sap who put the pieces together.
>>333005574
Because I'm worthless.
>>333008706
*grabs your throat*
F*CK OFF!
I'd rather just be the idea guy like 90% of the population.
I got good ideas. Like uhhh, what if uhh, you had an fps class based shooter, and uhhh, all of them are different kinds of fat people.
10/10 idea right there
>>333005574
Because I cannot draw for shit.
And I am not going to taint my name with indie pixel graphic bullshit.
>>333008856
How do I become the ideas guy
I made plenty of low quality games when I was younger. Now i'm old and don't have enough free time to be able to make anything good.Or at least not willing to sacrifice my 1-2 free hours of the day to making some game which would take years to make at that amount of time.
>>333005574
Best representation of what a comp sciences degree will get you that I've seen in the last 5 years, and this is probably 15+ old.
>>333005574
Working on graphics for a Castlevania-inspired metroidvania.
>>333006309
>he take a "functional language" meme seriously.
>>333008917
It is from the 80's.
>>333008902
Go into marketing and business. Buy a dwindling game company.
>>333008902
Do you have any ideas?
>>333008952
Made some squid people yesterday.
every nigger on the planet can "program" a platformer, memevania, or fps as well as I can now, so now nobody would ever play mine even if it was good
>>333008952
That's a cool Terraria texture pack. where did you download it.
>>333009001
Baulder's gate first person MMORPG style.
like a first person MUD or some shit.
>>333009024
Nobody thinks they need a writer.They might just be right.
>>333009024
Do you have a website where I can follow game development updates? This looks kind of interesting.
Making a game isn't very fun tbqh.
>>333005574
Me and some friends were working on a game back in my 3rd year of uni. When we got jobs we just kinda forgot about it. I wish I had more free time.
I want to make an RPG with a similar aesthetic style to the DS game "Final Fantasy 4 Heroes of Light"
How hard is it to learn how to model in that kind of weird pseudo-low-poly style?
>>333009094
I drew it myself, friendo.
>>333008987
And here I was going to give it credit for being from the 90s based on the image quality.
>/v/ is making a game
>it's always pixelshit
>>333008904
>now I'm old
I swear to fuck if you're another 24 year old who thinks they're "old" I'm going to punch you in the dick.
>>333009217
If you're interested the entire course is up on YouTube. It's a useful companion to SICP if you're reading that meme book.
>>333009181
Really hard if you want to optimize it.
Do you have 2d or 3d art experience?
>>333009330
>/vg/ is making a game
>it doesn't get finished
>>333009330
But good graphics is hard lmao
>>333009357
Chill grandpa
why would you make one when you can play one someone else made
>>333009150
Thanks!
I post fairly regularly on /vg/AGDG, and myTumblr: http://theonian.tumblr.com/
>>333008698
this mostly happens because there are two wildly different sort of courses that get called computer science
>1. hi kids! today we're going to learn what 'the cloud' means
>2. type theory, complexity, monads n shit
people who expect the second one and go into the first one come out saying CS is a dumb meme
people who expect the first one and go into the second one come out saying CS is full of useless maths and has nothing to do with computers
the result is people on the internet claiming CS is full of retards, and people on the internet claiming to be in CS who are retards
>>333005574
I've been working on the script and learning how to code for making one actually, it's not that great, but it's just a pass time so.
What do I major in for maximum shekels and minimum work
>>333008569
Jaded CS almost-grade here, I have to say that (most of) the math is really valuable in any non-trivial programming scenario. Why we take calc I will never know.
>>333008592
Statistics and combinatorics are probably the most important mathy things you take in CS. Them and graph theory.
>>333009357
I'm actually20, not joking. Old in relation to when I was younger and not busy.
i made a shitty kirby walking simulator in gamemaker when i was 12
>>333009497
Business.
Non-vidya programming is more fun.
Vidya programming is tedious shit. It requires a lot of effort, and not much thought.
>>333009375
I'm not. I just figured out over the years what a useless degree comp sciences is after finishing an associates, not having any work available, and eventually going to the opposite end of the spectrum and running an auto shop for the last 6 years.
>>333009330
I just fell in love with the beauty of the Castlevania games.
I wanted to learn how to make something somewhat similar.
>>333009530
>20
get out, you old fart.
this is a 18- board.
>>333008717
>>implying making games are fun
It can be
>tfw looking for a job in QA
I want to work for vidya, but I don't wanna go back to school.
>>333009441
Thought this was going to die because of rotate. I'm happy to see that you are making something with it, I like your art, keep it up.
Is this entire thread seriously bait?
Holy fuck. People on /v/ claiming mathematics is boring.
Have you people fucking forgotten your origins? Or did you throw out your common sense when you became a full time NEET.
no i'm not mad.Just sad
>>333006309
Video games are literally one of the only things even hardcore functional purists will agree that OOP is suited for
Get rekt scrub
>>333005574
slow. I can do everything but program. In the midst of deciding which languages to will study, how to approach the basics. I assume this part will take a couple years.
>>333009662
this
vidya programming is either figuring out batshit retarded object oriented code in unity or spending 24 hours hacking around with opengl to get a triangle to show up
the only time I've ever had fun making a game, it ran in a terminal and used ascii 'graphics'
>>333009215
This is some slick UI, well done. But it does feel like there's more stuff wrapped around the health bar than there needs to be.
>>333005574
>taking a two part course where groups have to design and then program a project based on the professor's instructions
>thought it'd be some kind of business application
>turns out we have to make games
perfect, now the only problem iscaring enoughto obtain more than a rudimentary level of programming skills
>>333009912
I know this might be hard to believe since you're a sperg and spergs have difficulty accepting different opinions, but not everyone likes maths. For instance, it has fucked me severely in life in ways I can't even describe, and it's part of the reason I'm a NEET now.
Personally I believe if you like them you most likely have some problem.
>>333009396
I have neither
>>333009867
Well, it DID die.
Fourth time I got abandoned by a programmer, so I'm considering just learning to program properly myself.
But for the time being I'm working with a very enthusiastic guy from TIGSource.
Thanks for the kind words!
Not giving up yet!
Because I lost focus when I went through hell in my personal life. Might start up again soon
PS never join a band with a chick singer
>>333010082
Expect a month+ to learn how to make 3d models, and if you don't have multiple computers or an extremely good computer don't expect to be able to finish for a long time. Rendering 3d models can take time in itself.
>>333009330
>pixelshit
When will this meme die? Go ahead and tell us about all the great high res sprites and 3d models you've done.
>>333009990
Thanks a lot!
UI is what I enjoy working on the most.
Yeah, the HUD is still not finalized.
Here's a more recent attempt.
>>333009662
>lot of effort
>not much thought
that doesn't even make sense.
also, I can't stand that type. the world doesn't really need another calculator, but it desperately needs my shitty tetris clone.
>>333009530
Assuming you're in university, it's absolute shit and no way for a human being to live. Once you're working, hobbies will creep back into your life. Unless you're one of those people who simply MUST waste 4 hours watching TV every day before considering free time to have begun,
>>333008463
>discrete math
>had to take discrete math this semester
>couldn't figure out what the class would be like after looking it up
>nobody I knew that had taken it could give me a straight answer
>worry that Im going to get my ass kicked by this course
>turns out its just truth tables, proofs, and logic
>>333010383
He's right. there's a lot of time spent just mindlessly repeating art or code. Lots of effort but not much thought put into a majority of it.
>>333010160
bottom is better.
>>333006001
same hahaha
I plan on killing myself before age 30
>>333010230
Oh, I see. Even for really low poly ones?
>>333005574
Lack of motivation
>>333006309
>OOP is shit!
>All modern games built with OOP
>>333010489
most worthwhile software has already been made though. we're just scratching the surface of game possibilities.
>>333010602
I want to see someone implement a 3D engine in Lisp.
>>333010510
>tfw turning 30 the end of next January
10 months to get my life together wish me luck bros
>>333010459
YOU'RE FUCKING INVINCIBLE
>>333009912
>Have you people fucking forgotten your origins? Or did you throw out your common sense when you became a full time NEET.
I've always hated math.
>>333006309
OOP is naturally suited to video games - stateful programs built on objects - though.
>>333010602
>All modern games are shit
Wait a minute
>This entire thread
This is it isn't it? An entire board of computer science and mathematics haters. While still reaping the benefits in the form of games and the very software they're using right now.
I should probably leave /v/ for a while.
>>333010803
ur 2 cynical
>>333010870
t. computer science student
>>333010770
games also include things that aren't objects
is doing damage an object? no, but on OOP it is
>>333010870
>Why isn't everyone sucking me off for my college major??
Grow up you dumb faggot.
In my last year of a compsci degree at University of Auckland, how fucked am i?
>>333010995
>is doing damage an object? no, but on OOP it is
You're just making stuff up now.
Pseudocode this nonsense if you actually think it holds any weight
>>333005574
I'm working on it faggot. It's shit but I'm working on it.
>>333010995
>is doing damage an object? no, but on OOP it is
Nigga what? That's why design patterns exist.
>>333010995
Damage is just an attribute of an object, and will affect the hp of another object. Get your head out of your ass, functional programming is useful, but for vidya, OOP is simply easier and better.
>>333010301
I dig it
>>333005574
i actually tried to some degree.
downloaded gamemaker copied some code from a youtube video and watched the whole explanation behind how it works.
then i realized im fucked because i can't into art and animation and will never be able to make a game as aesthetically pleasing with fluid as fuck animations like i always imagined.
>>333011185
You don't have to be a 1MA
>>333011251
yeah, he can always be the valuable "make a platformer in game maker using youtube tutorials" member of a team
>Implying I haven't
>>333011105
>>333011149
>>333011156
no no no anons you don't understand
everything is an object
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visitor_pattern
EVERYTHING
>>333011384
Good art and music are juice. You need something that 1) works and 2) is fun before you start polishing it.
Besides, having a good demo will attract artists or musicians, or fuck you can use it for a kikestarter campaign to buy time to do the rest yourself.
>>333011384
Genuinely laughed anon. Needed that after this turd of a thread. Thanks.
>>333011185
>>333010995
Nigger take more than half of one class before you start talking shit
That's actually the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read on 4chan which is saying a lot
>>333011384
>every single youtube tutorial is 45+ minutes to explain the most simple of concepts
>>333009375
>>333009001
NuMale Simulator. I even wrote up a rough concept of the game, all I really want is someone to guide me through it. It's far more useful to have someone nudge you when you need help rather than to depend on others.
>>333011698
I never read all these books I buy either.
>>333011476
>>333010995
>OOP is bad because I code like a retard
Lmao. I have coded in smalltalk which is as purely OOP as it gets and you using a visitor pattern for fucking damage is like EnterpriseFIzzBuzz
>>333005574
>Why haven't you made your own vidya?
Because even just looking at code makes my eyes glaze over.
>>333010079
>I failed in life due to math. So it's the fault of mathematics not of my own incompetence.
You also think you're secretly super intelligent but an underachiever right?
Get fucked, fuckup.
>>333011476
I $100% don't have a fucking clue what you think you're proving by posting that design pattern
>>333011164
Thanks again!
Really motivating to hear that
>>333005574
Not sure how to start it. Going through the libgdx tutorials though.
>>333011990
Haha, fuck no.
I'm as dumb as they come.
Actually what you just typed out is what OTHERS think of me, it's what the school system and my parents thought I was.
Why? Because I put together a computer.
Fuck maths, not everyone should have to learn this shit and fail at life because they didn't get it.
Were you projecting? WHY are you so mad?
>>333011476
>every paradigm must be taken to its extremes
>>333009912
>people don't like something I like
>must be bait
I fucking hate faggots like you
>>333009912
If you don't think mathemathics is quite boring, you simply either haven't done any sufficiently advanced maths, or only have experience in the field of applied mathemathics.
>>333012118
>fail at life because they didn't get it.
Loads of people don't get it and do just fine
>>333012219
You don't understand, I failed every year and as a result of me not getting math. I don't even have a high school diploma, hell, I shouldn't have an primary school diploma.
I'm in my mid-20s now, and I'm stuck with entry-level jobs for pretty much the rest of my life.
>>333012370
Oh. I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully video games provide sufficient escape
>entire thread devolves into debates about how useful math and oop are to education/lifestyle choices
>computer science is still useless
>>333005574
I'm a lazy piece of shit
But I have a gorillion concepts and I can't stop making more
>>333012370
Oh, sorry m8. Hope you get out of poverty eventually.
>>333009912
I never enjoyed it back in Uni. Theory stuff was fine, but I was never fond of stuff like triple integrals to find the volume of 3D shapes and shit. Linear algebra was okay though. It was my favorite among the math stuff. Glad I don't have to do that crap ever again.
>>333012479
The worst part is I should have repeated my grade 6, which is the grade right before high school here.
But no, because I put together a computer back then, and my mom told my teachers about it, they thought I was some super genius and let me to go high school despite not understanding ANYTHING.
So yes, fuck mathematics, and fuck the school system. Don't give me that "hurr you're on 4chan you should like maths" shit.
>>333012637
If you want to know where I stand on my skill level in maths, by the way, I'll have you know that I have a hard time doing even the most basic arithmetic. I can't do additions without counting on my fingers or using a calculator.
God, I want to cry right now just thinking about it.
>>333012520
The theoretical parts of CS are only useful for certain research, which most people never do. What most employers want out of a CS person is software development and management, and a ridiculous amount of graduates can't even code fizzbuzz.
Software Engineering is way more applied and useful if you just want to make software.
>>333012201
u wot m8 Math only gets more interesting the deeper down the rabbit hole you go
>>333012637
>Fuck math and school because my parents are retarded
Noice
>>333013017
Do you actually do math or do you just read about it.
Sure it's more "interesting" in a pop sci way, the equations and theorems just get progressively more bullshit as by going to higher spaces you start losing all the loved properties you used to have which let you do things easily.
>>333013063
nah it was partly the fault of my teachers
>>333009375
>meme book
>>333005574
Because the only sort of good thing i can do is art and i've been left with assets three times already by people with "real life issues", that's why whenever a /v/ project comes up and everybody is hyped as fuck i tell them is going to fail.
They call me a hater, a troll and a bunch of other things, then the project slowly drifts into limbo as the ideaguys realize there's no one with a shred of talent between them and me telling them "i told you so".
>>333012971
>Software Engineering is way more applied and useful if you just want to make software.
Really depends where you are. Software Engineering is a super new field. At my university, the SEng program is just CSC with a little bit of CEng.
>The theoretical parts of CS are only useful for certain research, which most people never do
What exactly are these whimsical "theoretical" parts? If you're talking about complexity, then wew lad.
>>333013220
Not him. But he's actually right. Didn't like mathematics. But had to do a bachelors in mathematics to qualify for some high profile physics masters.
Turned out the damn mathematics was more interesting than I ever thought physics to be.
>>333012532
>>333013423
>i've been left with assets
Does that mean you just have lots of unused assets lying around? If you wanted to do something with them, some types of games are as easy as throwing assets into an engine and deciding what happens when they bump into each other.
>>333013448
>What exactly are these whimsical "theoretical" parts
Pretty much anything theoretical. Turing machines and what is computable? Useless. Theory of computation? Not even know what that's about. Complexity? You just need to know how to multiply and the usual data structures, in any applied case you just optimize after profiling if needed. Quantum computing? Doesn't even exist. Petri networks and other such parallel computing constructs? Hardly ever used or needing study. Information theory and cryptography? You're mostly just going to import algorithms coded by someone else, you just need to know to not be an idiot. Etc etc etc
>>333013593
>Does that mean you just have lots of unused assets lying around?
HAD is the working word here, whatever sprite and concept art i drew was lost in 2008 when i formatted my shit and sold it to my uncle. I could always get gamemaker and do my own shit but i barely feel like doing anything after work, even in days when i barely do jack shit i come back home feeling drained.
>>333013532
Like what?
From my experience it mostly ends up being boring shit.
"Here we have this differential equation with 500 unknowns, now memorize each boundary case and which solution types we have found, also remember all these bazillion theorems and make up the proof of how in this particular case this bullshit equals this other bullshit. Also hope you know probability really well because none of this is measurable directly"
But I am.
It just looks like shit.
>>333005574
Cause I'm not nearly good enough at coding to implement my radical ideas for games and am uncertain about the value of those ideas anyways
>>333013423
>Tfw I was part of a /v/ project that failed
>Later when things are discussed I'm one of the few people that get praised because I actually got shit done, but I was too late to the project and the lead coder was some lazy fuck that also kept reinventing the wheel instead of me
>>333008820
>tfw want to make my own game to stick itto >muh soggy kneess in muh vidya fucktards
>waste of time and pointless when you're going to be homeless soon anyway
Fucking hell.
how do I learn computer science?
>>333005574
Having fun hacking vidya. Why else?
>>333005574
I'd rather make a virtual pinball table work out most of the kinks and one day make a physical version of it
>>333014514
Go watch a Java tutorial on youtube.
>>333014161
I'm not american and I know our mathematics education is a little different. But i'm basically talking about axiom development in mathematics. Going to the very basics of mathematics and you having to proof the very mathematical properties of 2d and 3d space.
And build up mathematical proofs for 3d geometry and the like.
Like 50% of my bachelors didn't even involve any numbers at all. Since you'll have to figure out the proofs that are universal for all possible sizes of those geometric shapes.
>>333014645
>java
>>333011698
isn't this course from the fucking 80's? What the fuck?
>>333009215
>all that wasted blank space
ugly senpai
>>333014761
Computer science doesn't change THAT much with the years.
>>333008592
>>333008698
>man I'm enlightened by my own intelligence.
>>333010870
What did you expect? This board got infested with liberal arts majors.
>>333014514
The C programming Language
>>333014986
Yeah, I bet you're super intelligent and nihilistic, anon.
>>333005574
>implying you can make all of the art assets, music, story, fun gameplay, and engine by yourself in a reasonable amount of time
>>333015054
spoted the English major
>>333013916
Those are mostly pretty advanced topics within a CS degree. I think the goal is to give you a jumping point, should one of those fields grab your interest.
I guess if you just want to be a code monkey, then they can all be safely ignored.
>>333015167
Nah, I'm the guy who's stuck working in retail because of mathematics.
>>333005574
I can't draw and coding may as well be magic for all I know.
>>333014701
I'm not American either but that sounds simple as fuck dude, I expected you to come at me with manifolds and an analysis of the Poncaire Conjecture proof or such.
>>333014785
That's just a bunch of tabs, frames and buttons slapped together.
It's not an actual menu, kouhai.
>>333012971
Employers want specialists. Specializations, certs, etc. will get you a job. Computer Science from any college will not.
>>333015274
Weren't you making 300K?
>>333015140
>engine
Found the problem.
>>333015274
how the fuck did you manage to fuck up so badly? I literally came out of UF last year and started immediately at 50k.
>>333015229
There's a difference between an underpaid code monkey which any shmuck can be, and a senior project manager and software designer that can also code brilliantly which is what 99% of employers want if they have to pay you more due to a degree.
I'm not saying the theoretical parts are wrong, but when a vast majority of CS grads can't pass a fizzbuzz test, the priorities in the program seem wrong for jobs.
>>333015327
This.
I'm 26 and I feel incapable of learning anything new. Feel like life is suffering.
>>333015387
I simplified it since I thought you were the dude that came with 3d shape integral problems.
But yeah you are right. it will get into deeper mathematical proofs later. The problem is that I know almost nothing about english terminology.
>>333010079
>For instance, it has fucked me severely in life in ways I can't even describe, and it's part of the reason I'm a NEET now.
>>333014759
Why not
>>333015447
>tfw fell for the computer science meme
>got depressed and dropped out of college
>now I have no degree AND lots of debt
>mfw I wasted too much time on bullshit and now I'm stuck doing minimum wage for the rest of my life
>>333015484
What?
>>333015647
I never even got to finishing high school, I don't know what you're talking about.
>>333015974
Yeah, hard to believe that a subject that about 80% of the population seems to understand can cause poverty, right?
>>333016087
Doing some vocational work? Or just full neet?
>>333015274
So is math not a major worth going for?
>>333016248
Right now I'm full NEET.
Couldn't even hold a job at a retail store.
>>333016198
>shitty platformer
>pixel art
>>333008463
Let's be honest, Calc III is a pretty bumpy ride.
On one hand, multi-variable derivatives/integrals and polar coordinates, stuff directly from Calc II. Easy.
On the other, tangent planes, gradients and conservative vector fields. And all the books use the same shitty "simplest" example that don't extrapolate on how the formulas apply to the serious functions, so everything up from there is just raw trial and error because self error checking doesn't apply half of the time, and trying not to confuse surface integrals with line integrals because everything is based on the same principle formulas with the most minute changes.
Calc III was interesting, but fuck it was a hard pill to swallow.
>/g/ keeps telling me CS is a meme degree
>go to shitty uni for free (scholarship and financial aid)
>just got a job paying $52k before I've even graduated
>about to graduate with no debt
is /g/ ever right?
>>333016070
You can always just go back to college again.
Just pile up the debt. The interest rates are extremely low right now. And inflation will go up pretty hard in the USA in the future.
So your debt will actually get less the longer you wait to pay for it.
If you finish it you'll get completely rid of it within a decade.
Then you never have to work a minimum wage job ever again as well.
What the fuck is there to lose?
>>333015860
Nah, 3D integrals is one of the few math classes I didn't suffer. It's been some years I think it all boiled down to properly describing the region and using one of three theorems.
>>333016371
Don't fucking reply to me again.
>>333016070
Join the Air Force. Steady pay. Really hard to fuck up. You'll get deployed but you'll never be in danger.
>>333005574
If I had neetbux and was under a spell granting me unlimited motivation it would come out 5 years from now and still be hot garbage. It would be buried under an ocean of other indie games or be dismissed because it isn't mobile, VR or shilled by e-celebs.
I want to focus on art and music fully understanding I'll be years behind everyone else because I've spent my life in school being a talent-less hack with no ambition or goal. Even if I do become decent at art/music I know I'll never make my vidya dream come true, but at least I can help some other dev with his.
>>333016070
>go back to school
>get in-school deferment so no debt payments
>oldfag so get more grants and don't need as many loans
>take useful classes but spend more effort making professional contacts
>job offers, job offers everywhere
feels good
>>333011698
I got lost in the 15 minute mark in the first part of the lecture
>>333016396
>listening to /g/
>listening to /v/ for that matter
>taking advice from anywhere on 4chan
Just go live your fucking life, Anon. Fuck
>>333011476
>the visitor design pattern is a way of separating an algorithm from an object structure on which it operates
>SEPARATING
super retard/10
>>333012370
Ever thought of trying for an online GED? Hire a tutor for the math parts if you get stuck, you'll probably get paid more in your entry level jobs if you finish.
I like to play videogames because I like to solve problems.
But designing a game is like having the answers and then trying to find what are the problems. Boring and tedious as fuck.
>>333016396
A CS degree will land you a job no matter what. May be shit at the start if you have no internships or connections, but you'll get something. My first job was like $19/hour. Am doing better now.
>>333012773
>I can't do additions without counting on my fingers or using a calculator.
not that guy but, same
I don't know the times table and can't divide for shit
Turns out paying attention in elementary school/middle school actually helps you later in life
>>333014759
where else would an absolute beginner start?
>>333016949
The last thing I tried that was education related was signing up for a trade school.
It was a telecoms class, and since I like computers and technology I thought it was a good choice. Didn't seem like it would require a lot of maths.
Then suddenly, out of fucking nowhere we started talking about assembly programming. I just had to drop out again.
Never falling for a scam like that again.
The teacher even told us that if we didn't take advanced maths in high school, we might as well give up.
So you see, I'm kind of scared of spending money and wasting time again. I've wasted plenty of both already.
>>333017150
I definitely paid attention. I wouldn't readily blame my problems on any sort of disorder like ADHD.
It's just that no matter what they were explaining or how they were explaining, I just didn't understand how to manipulate numbers.
The only thing I could MAYBE blame it on, is the fact that I fractured my skull at a very young age and got a concussion.
How much does programming come into IT?
>>333017150
Mathematics has nothing to do with your ability to do calculations in your head though.
I literally never do shit in my head. I figure out what i want to calculate and how i want to do it. Then i just type it into the calculator or program and write my method down.
I genuinely think most people do this anyway.
>>333014604
he's missing a lug nut
>>333016643
I'd join any military branch if I could but I'm not a US resident
>>333017350
If he's anything like me, he probably doesn't understand very basic, elementary shit.
I can add up numbers like 2+2 in my head just fine, I'm not THAT retarded. But as soon as we start going higher than 10-20? I can't do it.
>>333017268
C
Python if you have down syndrome.
>>333017494
what the fuck
>>333017268
Python or Pascal are the usual 2 languages everyone starts with. Mostly Python these days.
>>333017518
>Calls a statistically better teaching language "for retards"
I hope you never plan on teaching anything to anyone
>>333017773
whom the fuck are you quoting
>>333017494
>American education
>>333017898
Good thing I'm not American.
>>333017494
It's like a muscle. I couldn't add up beyond XX numbers, then I got a job as a cashier and after a while I could do really long calculations really quick.
But now that I'm a neet my math brain is retarded again and I can't do anything without a calculator.
>>333017989
That's a real phenomenon
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/london-taxi-memory/
tl;dr taxi driver's brains dramatically grow after memorizing so much of a city and brain noticably shrinks after retiring/quitting
I've written the plotlines and gone densely into the atmospheric creation in multiple different settings for my own vidya.
One is a horror story situated finding the origins of why an entire island's population disappeared, using music and scenery triggers to tell the tale and side-notes Dear Esther style.
One is an adventure game Telltale style but with gameplay set in a universe post-DUST, in a desert town.
One is a Mass-Effect sized take on an RPG/Character Action spec-focused game Platinum-style with a plotline of Deus Ex-esque 'human morality' mixed with Anarchy Reigns combat and non-linear boss hierarchies.
One is a massive, massive take on an RPG which doubles as RTS applicable, taking on a Mass-Effect style environment with 40K level races and MMORPG-type abilities for all units.
I have so much damn content and yet I'm too fucking lazy to just code something.
>Implying a NEET should be interested in education
>When the reason they're NEET in the first place is complete lack of interest in anything partially productive.
The true NEET is one that is too lazy and not really motivated to do anything.
A person that's just interested in Mathematics/Physics etc is a nerd, not a complete waste of space. Just because they play a bit of video games or watch a bit of anime doesn't make them worthless.
>>333018891
Special note should be given to those that drop out at uni, though. As they're as miserable as they come. Still holding a semblance of spirit but completely crushed regardless.
>>333017346
Almost none at all. Sys admins might need to write scripts to automate tasks, but IT monkeys doing tech support require almost zero specialized knowledge and usually just google symptoms or follow a fixed troubleshooting checklist.
Because I need AAA levels of production values for all my ideas. I'd never do an indie isometric pixel art 2 hours long piece of shit
>>333008706
more like this whole fucking thread.
>>333016438
Don't have enough money to go back senpai.
>>333016643
Too old. They have an age you need to be to get in, and they kick you out once you reach a certain age after that.
>>333018832
So you have been ideaguying instead of doing anything of value.
>love designing algorithms to do things efficiently
>want to be in constant control of exactly what a program is doing, hate it when I have to study all the weird details of a compiler or language
>try and learn C because Javascript is too abstracted
>try and learn x86 assembly because C is too abstracted
>try and learn 6502 assembly because x86 assembly is too abstracted
help
>>333010681
>be 30
>still with the same shit that kept you from being mobile as fast as you would like to get around doing stuff in life.
Fuck it, go for broke. shit.
>>333020669
>try and learn x86 assembly because C is too abstracted
Ignoring the fact that you tried learning something that is decades old, and should have been learning 64 bit assembly instead, you're a special kind of stupid if you think that's too abstract. Any less abstract then that and you're literally coding in raw binary.
>>333020669
get a C64 and an assembler for it
>>333010681
>>333020804
Stop being a faggot who thinks they're going to get paid well to do nothing and work from the bottom up with a job that you stay in for more than 6 months.
>>333020885
I wouldn't be the first binary programmer in my lineage if I did that. Second or third probably.
But it's pointless not to use anything less abstract than the least abstract assembly out there, and that I suppose would be a very good way to start learning assembly.
If I want to hyper-optimise algorithms, might as well practice code in a way that forces me to learn the exact workings of the machine.
>>333021194
There's an online one.
>>333021373
>There's an online one.
An online 6502 assembler?
Still, if you manage to get one into a real physical C64, that's more useful.
>>333021542
http://www.6502asm.com/
And a tutorial:
https://skilldrick.github.io/easy6502/
If anyone wants to ideaguy:
>>333021523
>>333021373
>Wanting to make a game by writing out arrays of binary data
What the fuck.
>>333005574
I lack the time.
but I downloaded the ToEE building kit recently. gonna see if I could actually make a fun RPG.
>>333006001
Same.
What does it mean to conjure the spirits of computers with our spells?
>Tired of playing vidya
>Too lazy to make my own
>Nothing else in life seems interesting
What do.
>>333021681
So what architecture does it actually emulate?
What's in the RAM?
>>333021761
I'd never write a game like that except for a challenge.
>>333022061
I conjured computer satan by accident once clearly, because both my computers have the strange trait of developing unique or almost unique bugs.
The weirdest ones:
>laptop goes to sleep often if I tell it to shut down
>laptop will duplicate tabs dozens of times if I close the lid and walk around, even though it knows the lid is closed
>desktop will crash then be unable to pass BIOS if I play on a specific Gmod server
>>333022578
I don't actually know, only found out about it yesterday.
>>333005574
Make it? Hell in not sure I even like video games anymore.
