Need a PvE MMO and I'm stuck between Wildstar and FFXIV
Any of those still worth playing?
wildstar is dying....go with ffxiv or go bdo its ok for the time beeing.
>>332982392
XIV or, if you feel like it, TERA.
No MMOs are particularly alive right now, so those are basically your best bets.
>>332982392
they are both terrible. Honestly the only MMO worth a shit right now is Everquest on the phinegal server or p99. Im not even kidding. Thats how shitty MMOs have become.
XIV. Wildstar a dead.
Wildstar is meh as fuck and XIV is complete shit
Wildstar is dead but can kill time for solo play. XIV is dying and filled with terrible players and has a sub fee. Pick your poison.
>>332982392
Wildstar has the best raids
FFXIV has the best pandering to FFFAGS and the least grind to 50 (to 60 was pretty goddamn long, but they made grinding to 50 easier after 3.0, so it may still be the least grind)
BDO has the best world to explore
If you want PvE dungeons, just buy Destiny or some co-op shit. FFXIV probably has the worst dungeons out of any instanced based MMO I've ever played.
>>332982392
stupid anime poster
>one game has cute catgirls
>one game does not have cute catgirls
This should be the easiest decision of your life, OP.
>>332983679
literal hallways. I just want an mmo with decent dungeons.
>>332982392
Wildstar is dead and ALL the fucking content is locked behind the long boring ass story in ff14, skip both
>>332983773
Lizards > Cats
>>332983872
D&D:O, but the game is old and dead and P2W now.
Are you actually going to play with people or are you one of those single player MMOfags? Why not play something like Wizardry if you're rolling solo?
What aboutWorld of Warcraft?I've never played before
>>332982392
No.
>>332983773
>How's the game?
>Oh it's fucking terrible, but hey come fap to my toon
>>332982392
Wildstar is a worse version of WoW.
No reason to play it over WoW.
I'd claim the same for FFXIV, but people tend to disagree with that. Some people I know say its way better than WoW in every way.
Still, between the two I'd say FFXIV. At least it has other player.
But really, just play WoW if you want pve. It still has the best raid bosses. Wildstar had a few neat ones, but only a few.
Wildstar encourages add-on use. FFXIV will ban you for it.
>>332984769
Actually, I'd suggest wait for Legion to be out for a bit then maybe play wow. It's kinda dead right now since its been so long since an update.
>>332983773
kill yourself please
>>332983923
> ALL the fucking content is locked behind the long boring ass story in ff14
I fucking gave up because of this , why put the "fun" part of the game after some fucking 100 hours long boring story for retarded children, seriously what the fuck ?
Btw is there any decent mmo out there nowadays?
>>332984819
>FFXIV will ban you for shitting on other players with it.
>>332983923
They really need to streamline the MSQ path in XIV with the current leveling speed. So much pointless bloat, they could just fork out parts of the story as optional side-quests and adjust later quest dialog to add conditionals to say shit based on what you have cleared instead of assuming you did it all.
>>332984252
Oh god. I miss DDO so bad. It's in game voice chat fucking ruined a group for me. I was complaining about this bard for the first half of the run just nonstop to my friends on ventrilo when about halfway through the wizard in our party just exploded, "WE GET IT! SHE'S A NEW PLAYER! LEAVE HER THE FUCK ALONE DUDE! I'M JUST TRYING TO TEACH HER HOW TO PLAY CAN YOU SETTLE DOWN MAN?"
I felt so fucking bad. Turns out I had both in-game voice chat and ventrilo push to talk as the same hotkey. Everything bad I was saying our bard could hear. She ended up leaving and took half the group with her. To be fair though she was pretty awful.
>>332985296
It'd be nice if MMOs had training grounds/class tutorials by default (and mandatory to queue shit) so beginners could get the basic rotations down and not be a hindrance to strangers.
>>332983773
both are ok in my opinion
>>332985296
kek
>>332985463
Wildstar housing was the best part about that game
>>332985617
it is, too bad the game isn't going to be around much longer though the devs really fucked up
>>332985768
All that unused land mass some poor artist had to plan out with the designers and model.
>>332983157
>Everquest on the phinegal server
You've caught my interest, tell me more.
14 isn't something I'd reccomend to the modern MMO grinder whos spent the last years with some random moba. It is something I'd reccomend to people who are used to single player RPGs.
the arena in 14 is godlike right now, though this may not last forever. the dev team is doubling down on pvp, with a commitment to bring /duel in the game in the next 2 patches. ( Personally I think the game will be rebalanced from the ground up for pvp with the 4.0 expansion)
The MSQ is long and annoyed many of the players i've invited to my guild. I was in havensward when I started playing with my guild of old friends, running it for them. I played the initial 52 levels like a single player game so I enjoyed every moment of it. Things like having all the classes on one character make it feel more like a singleplayer game at times too. the end game feels alot like WoW's did, with less vertical progression and far more horiztonal progression/multiple ways to make the same goals. My whole goal for this game is to build an airship, lets see if its worth it boys.
>>332983773
Yes, the one without the fucking catgirls
>>332986283
>the dev team is doubling down on pvp
They're doubling down on showing they have no fucking clue how to balance PVP and not doing per-class skill loadouts like every other sane MMO, instead of letting you bring your PVE skills in fully.
>>332982392
Tree of Savior, the savior of MMOs and all video games
>>332986283
I wish MMO devs were faster to realize how fucking stupid it is to try and balance PVP and PVE with identical abilities.
Blizzard only recently figured it out. After all these years.
>>332984979
Of course not
>>332982969
BDO PvE is really, really bad.
There seem to be no good PvE oriented MMOs right now, except maybe FFXIV, and I don't fancy that.
>>332986740
literal p2w chinkshit
>>332984769
>BRO FFXIV RAID BOSSES HAVE THE MOST IMMERSIVE MUSIC EVER BRO TRULY EPIC
IMO those themes would fit perfectly on traditional FF fights, not here.
>>332986793
not PVE oriented because its PvP oriented, look at BnS, after all these years they are getting new PVE content to cater pvp baddies
Legit question. How dead is WoW right now? Deader than XIV?
>>332984819
only if you talk about it and someone reports you, my buddy got his account suspended for talking about macroing with his razor mouse with FC members
>>332987242
Yea, didn't mean to imply BDO was PvE oriented, it obviously isn't. BnS is just complete shit, through and through. Everything about that game smacks of shite.
>>332986740
didnt mention servers are shit, like cannot interact with anything.
$10 buy in for a month early access to a f2p game.
>>332987439
It's not really dead at all, there's still a ton of players and if you wanna do something you can always find people to do it with.
>>332987439
>my buddy got his account suspended for talking about macroing with his razor mouse with FC members
Sounds more like he was doing other shit, since even the lead battle dev plays with custom macros via Logitech software.
>>332986740
p2w or p4fun depending what you aim for, too straight forward/linear, worse than xiv in that way
>>332984979
Honestly no, I was big into Aion for the pvp but I just can't get into them anymore. The market is flooded with f2p trash that all feels the exact same. My friend swears Bns is fun so maybe give that a look if you like pvp?
>>332984979
You forgot, if you ever want to progress with buddies it slaps your bitchface with instanced solo-quests around every corner (also english localization is fucking stupid, butchering and memefying every 2 paragraphs)
>>332985232
This literally lowers the quality of the gameplay. Get a dps meter to test ppl for final coil, they suck, tell them they suck and you get banned or play with shitters and wonder why you never clear content. Beyond retarded, but as long as good ppl can sell clears to Gil buying shitties who cares amiright ?
>>332988904
>trying to hijack bots can get you banned as well for being considered "disrupting people's gameplay"
>>332983571
>XIV is dying
>picture of you being 50+ in queue, showing a lot of people queueing
You are a special kind of idiot.
>>332982392
>wildstar
Wildstar is fucking DEAD
>>332982392
I'd recommend RuneScape for PvE but let's be honest, nobody does anything but stand at portable skilling stations anymore.
>>332990704
Too many DPS not enough Tanks/Heals.
>>332984707
>toon
I first read this word about a week back and learned it was some dumb shit name for your avatar/character in an MMO, and that it's apparently been prevalent for at least a year, and ever since I've been seeing that word all over when it never appeared before.
What the fuck.
>>332991194
That's a problem with every mmo that has ever existed anon
Tera has it all
>combat that actually needs you to pay attention
>variety of classes
>lolis
>endgame isn't too bad
>pvp that relies on game knowledge and not gearJust don't pick beserker
>>332991231
Dude toon is old as fuck. Not that it matters but it's been around a long time. I remember seeing it for the first time in Ultima Online.
>>332991325
did they add endgame to tera?
>>332991253
Worse in XIV since it's uses 4-man setups compared to 5-6 of other MMOs.
>>332991626
Do dungeon for gear
enchant that gear to top level
do next level dungeon for next tier of gear
enchant that gear to top level
grind materials from dungeons to make top top tier equipment and max that to +15Takes weeks and a lot of money
Theres your endgame PvE
>>332982392
wow > ffxiv > wildflop
>>332982392
Wildstar is dead dead. It is being run with a skeleton crew and will likely shut down soon.
>>332984979
I unsubbed after a couple months beyond finishing story.
Currency caps are shit, at least the fishing and crafting is kind of fun.
>nobody ever mentions Warframe
>>332992217
took me this long to realize how much of a pointless grind it is
DFO
>>332992428
Ranger and Summoner master race
Play Everquest, either on retail or P99.
It's fun.
Oldschool runescape
Runescape
>>332992760
>>332992750
>>332992750
>>332992760
Isn't it like 99% bots?
>>332992967
Old school runescape, yes.
RS3 has much less.
>>332992861
Moooooot
>>332992328
Welcome to every MMO.
>>332993093
I thought it was some new spoiler shit
I personally suggest a FF11 Private Servers. Retail is focused on endgame only but the Private Servers are alot of fun.
nasomi.com
>>332993264
>wanting people to every deal with the slow mess that is the POL Viewer
>>332993037
>RS3
Did i miss something? Elaborate, my kind anon.
>>332993264
I'm surprised this is even a thing
>>332993385
They had like a bot nuke thing a while ago, where I believe they greatly upgraded their anti bot system, and by their numbers removed about 1 million bots.
>>332992217
Shit if we're counting instanced games then Skyforge was pretty fucking fun when I played it roughly a year ago
>>332985436
Secret World has a specialized boss you have to solo before you're allowed to participate in end raid. It's half class competence and half gear check. The boss fight changes depending on your role, so for one you have to tank for a certain amount of time, another has you heal, and another has you dps. Pretty neat.
>>332993474
Averages 150+ with a high of 220.
Pretty nice actually.
>>332993474
Sorry, i meant that i never even heard of an RS3.
How different is it from RS2?
Last i played was EoC, then quit because i felt the ride was finally over for me.
Although it is good that they did something about bots.
>>332983923
>>332984979
>>332985235
>"Pray, <name>, return to me at the <place not near you> so I can tell you in person shit I can tell you via link pearl so I can send you right back to where you just were."
I want Wildstar to live so badly
I love it so much
>>332993995
The worst is all those forest quests where you have to find food for the guys bar.
>>332993758
I heard Secret World was deder than ded, which is a shame.
Question:
Why are you even considering FFXIV and ...Wildstar, out of all the other MMOs out there? Why those two?
>>332994097
I'm just glad that bitch MINFILIA us dead now.
>>332992428
You Anton ready son?
>>332994378
You just know they're going to find a way to bring her back right?
>>332994427
i havent played in while i had to drop the game when i was at level 60 think .
is it worthwhile to get back into this game or naw?also f.grappler fo life
>>332993995
Remember when 1.X had dedicated NPC linkshells so this very reason?
>>332994952
No anon its not worth as far I consider, however if quit before "All in one patch" you can check up on it.
>>332994324
No particular reason.
They just came to my mind first.
>>332983773
Why is this catgirl posing in this way? Is she receptive to mating?
>>332991568
Literally never heard it until a week ago, and it's not like I don't spend a lot of time on this site, others, and MMOs, because I do.
It came out of nowhere and suddenly it's like it's always been around.
>>332998496
Eh, things can slip past anyone. I definitely don't see it used as much now, but I've kinda gone away from MMOs. More attributed to older MMOs I'd say. And amount of time on this site is kinda irrelevant anyway since the quality of discussions here vary so greatly, generally on the lower end of quality.
>>332998496
Because people bicker in online MMOs when toon is mentioned. "It's an avatar not a cartoon!"
>>332982392
FFXIV has most generic itemization in the industry.
Everything's item level based with only bare bone stats, no abilities, procs or anything even the slightest bit special.
The best weapons are obtained from raiding and the second best items are gotten from farming dailies.
No rare drops and no good out of instance drops as far as equipment goes.
PvP gear is mostly useless outside of PvP and crafting gear ranges from second best to worthless every 2-3 patches.
Patches are completely formulatic alternating between what's updated every 2 patches and there hasn't been any real deviation since hunts were introduced years ago. 8 man raids one patch then 24 man raids the next patch. Hunts become worthless every other patch then useful the next patch. New crafting gear every 2-3 patches. New daily gear every 2 patches (I think, a bit fuzzy on that, could be wrong). 2-3 new, worthless dungeons every patch. Usually a new trial every patch that gives one piece of gear per class, sometimes a second fluff trial that offers cosmetic stuff.
There's little to no build diversity per class. Only customization comes in the form of gear and that's generally non-negotiable in what you should be using. Well unless you're a tank trying to DPS.
It's just an incredible vanilla game overall. All the customization is cosmetic sadly.
Combat's pretty shit too. It relies entirely on juggling tiny little buffs that last 10 seconds. You won't be bursting for big dps in this game unfortunately and it goes largely unnoticed unless you're using a parser or fighting a boss on a dps check. It's pretty unsatisfying.
Anyway if you've stayed around for two patches you'll experience everything the game has to offer and will ever offer.
In short: it's a waste of time and it won't be improving it's formula.
As for Wildstar, that shit's dead.More fun than FFXIV though.
In fact the MMO genre is dead. There's even anything to even look forward too on the horizon.
>>333001398
>PvP gear is mostly useless outside of PvP
They're useless even in PVP because they removed Morale stat's usefulness.
Need some advice...
I have looked into BDO and B&S and don't know if I should try either or none at all.
I am looking into playing a action orientated class, is there a better game besides these that have these elements and do them well?
Why does it seem like there are no good mmos....
>>333001937
>Why does it seem like there are no good mmos....
Because there aren't. They're a product of a different time and they are on life support. Also action MMORPGs are really frustrating when you get to high level play (if that even exists in the one you're playing) because if you don't live near the server hosting the game you're gonna have a problem due to ping.
>>332992328
Why do people always quit MMOs on a bitter note, but competitivefags for shooters or fighters can play 1000s of hours and only have fond memories?
>>333002406
Shooters are simple and unchanging and people expect that coming in. With MMORPGs you expect new content and get rehashed garbage and massive amounts of grinding. There is no grinding in shooters, only shooting your opponent.
>>333002365
Like, I have never really played any mmo or gotten into one. I feel like I would sort of enjoy one now if there were some action elements to it, but from everything I have seen and heard its like the genre is dead...like deader then platform gaming.
It's a bit surreal really, that a video game genre can just die out.
I've played RO, mostly on leveling and hanging around. I've played XI, mostly for the leveling and story. I've played WoW where I then tried molten core raiding and got turned off by it but still enjoyed the open pvp nature. I've tried swg and coh but not long enough to have any memories of it. I've played XIV and raided for the entire of vanilla and had enough by expansion's more of the same.
I'm now looking for another mmo to play, not entirely sure what aspect I want to focus but pay model generally isn't an issue. Should I look for a pvp oriented mmo or a raiding one? I'm not one that gets over excited about pvp but..when I think about it, was there ever any pve game that was truly any good?
>>333001937
BnS is full theme park with queuing being your main source of leveling. I dropped it at 42 because everyone I played with got bored and it was so unoptimized. PvP is okay, but I'd rather play fighting games.
BDO is one part idle simulator, one part grind simulator, and one part collectathon. The world is fun to explore and there are a few (very few) oh shit moments if you explore enough. PvP is shit, but PvE is pretty flashy and shallow like musuo.
>>333001398
PVP itemization in XIV is beyond fucked.
There's a pvp only stat called morale but every single pvp battle says it doesnt take it into account. There are pvp focused materia but every single materia is not taken into account in any pvp battles. There item lvl pvp armors maxing at 205 but every single battle caps you at i150. Literally none of the pvp only aspect works.
>>333001398
What about crowfall and camelot unchained? I dont know much about camelot unchained other than it's pvp focused game made by one of the daoc guys.
Crowfall on the other hand, is also a pvp focused mmo except it's going to have month+ long campaigns where people fight over worlds and after the fight is over, another one begins and another world is build (differently) for people to fight over. That's all I know.
>>333003691
>the future of the online RPG genre is full on pvp
>>332985463
Aurin on the right was an insufferable cunt.
>>333003313
So both are shit...great.
>>333003994
Well, I used to care about pve way more than pvp. Like 99% pve, 1% pvp but after playing XIV, I'm starting to think that pve isn't worth it. By now it feels like the majority of pve players are flat out insufferable. I can't see myself enjoying any pve content when they are most likely designed to please these current era mmorpg players.
>>333004356
Yup
Better off playing a real game unless you have a gf
>>332982392
>best girl lost
>>333005513
>best girl won
>>333005513
The hell's wrong with you boy? Ayase a shit
>>333005883
Common misconception.
Kirino is shit but due to it being incest it is without a doubt the best end/pairing.
>>333005513
>sticking your dick in crazy
>tfw the only MMO I enjoy has been dying slowly but surely and players I've come to respect and be comfortable around are routinely making "Bye everyone, I'll miss you" posts on the forums and leaving forever
>tfw I'm always late to the party and only ever seem to get into something (tv/vidya/etc) after it is past its prime and I just have to sit there and suck on the fumes while the ship sinks
I hate it
If you plan on playing FFXIV, please take this into consideration.
Play it slowly. Don't bumrush the game with the mentality "I GOTTA GET A CLASS TO 60 AND START RAIDING PRONTO". Take your time, enjoy the story (It has some some great moments to it; I know several players that have no idea what is going on other than stuff needs to die so they can get better gear), dabble with the various classes you can be if not just for the cross-class skills alone, try crafting, play in the gold saucer, level gathering so you can get treasure maps, race chocobos, play Triple Triad, play Lords of Verminion, do the extra dungeons that aren't needed for the story and you'll have a grand time.
Oh, and start as Marauder which becomes Warrior. They're one of the tanking classes so you'll have fast queue times and they're much more fun to do solo/quest content than Gladiator/Paladins.
>>333007097
>want to be Dark Knight
>have to play 200 hours of the game first to unlock it
>>333007064
go play a beta then
>>332984979
If you liked DD and in general combat, Dragon's Dogma Online.
Although, prepare to grind and deal with the fact it's nippon onry.
>>333004206
i've played with niari much so i dont know how bad he/she got
>>332982392
EQ Project 1999
Age of Conan
keep hope alive
I feel like I've been seeing more Oreimo pictures lately.
>>333007685
No you don't. Play a Dragoon
>>332993737
I enjoyed playing Skyforge, but I wasn't enjoying it enough to spend 4 years playing as the same class just to unlock another one. Whoever invented weekly caps on currency needs to be taken out back and put down.
>>333009663InsufferableCunt
>>333011449
explain how anon
>>333011409
>haven't played skyforge in ages
>fairly sure that i could play for hours and still not be near my cap
I don't want to open it for that reason.
>>332991325
w-whats wrong with zerker
I liked it from what I played but I stopped at 20 something for no real reason, many years ago. It felt pretty powerful, was close feeling to the MH greatsword in an mmo.
>>333011490
Niari please, you are not getting shit out of me. You know how you are.
>>333012305
not her i was the other aurin the picture anon
>>333007097
Y'know that'd be pretty solid advice if it wasn't for the fact that the game was sub-based.
>>333007097
you might as well start as paladin first for the cross class stuff
>>333012682
whats the sub have to do anything? i just started playing about a month ago and im still taking my time with it
>>333012682
What difference does the sub make?
When I say to take things slow I don't mean "Play only 1 hour a day", I mean to actually do what the game offers as content and not putting absolute priority on hitting max level just so you can raid.
Camelot Unchained is the last hope for the MMO industry
33 classes, 15 or so races
killing monsters gives crafting materials but does not give experience
you can only level up by killing other players
the map consists of small islands that drift away or connect together depending on which of the 3 factions controls it, meaning that the map is always changing
large scale PvP battles with minimal FPS drops
>>333000286
Why not ava or even tar? The fuck does toon come from? It sounds fucking stupid and anyone who uses it I instantly view as being short-bus riders.
>>333015340
Too bad all of that stuff is boring for anymore than 1 hour a week.
The story in the same tier as the politic scenes in the Star Wars prequels without the interesting settings since they almost all happen ina small ass room in Waking Sands or in the meager headquarters of one of the three Grand Companies.
>>333016968
How is level scaling going to work? Would hate to be one shot by a max level rolling face just because I started late
>>333016968
If it's all islands does that mean there's boats? Boat battles?
>>333017273
I'm gonna compare it to WoW cause most people have played that
a level 1 character in CU is like a max level WoW character in greens, you have all the same abilities but you don't have quite as good gear
>>333017319
boats havent been confirmed yet, the game is still in early alpha. over half the game world is water though so it might happen
>>332994157
It's got an active community that's niche as fck, so id say that's pretty fair. You see tons of people around but when you realize most of the community is in one chat and that chat can be silent for long stretches of time you realize how dead the game actually is. Still really fun for a once through if you like monsters and shit though.
>>333017319
Boat battles were literally the only good thing about ArcheAge. I fucking loved going out onto the sea with my guild either to pirate, trade, or fish. It was always exciting. Stealing someone's harpoon skipper and then forcing it to sink itself was so satisfying. That, or pulling up to an enemy trade ship filled with packs and then harpooning it with enough ships that you could pull it in and steal the packs was so good.
Both are shit. MMO's are shit. Why would you ever play them unless you are a healslut or are looking for a healslut?
>>333017532
Is secret world the only mmo that has quest stories that are fun that you actually wanna see through to the end? I feel like no matter what the objectives are the same, but all the extra little bits of care they put into those dumb bullshit quests is so satisfying for me.
>decided to level up Fisher
>finally start the quest for big fishing at lvl 50
>"get Titanic sawfish"
>at this point in all HQ Fisher's 50 gear, might be pushing it but we'll see
>Fish for about 20 minutes to try and get the Goby's to mooch it
>finally get the unique rod animation to reel this sucker in
>"Your gathering level is insufficient"
Welp guess I'm waiting until 51 to start that shit.
>>333005513
Yeah, best girl really did lose.
>>333017845
Take it to an xiv /v/ thread please.
>>332986740
>Really like this game
>It's shooting itself in the foot hard
Fuck's sake all they'd have to do is tone down the prices and optimize the game more and it'd be dandy
>>333018124
What are the prices like?
Why aren't there any city of heroes private servers /v/? I thought with how much people loved it, there would be demand for it. I've never heard anyone hating on it, unlike other mmos.
>>333017923
She sure did.
Never stood a chance.
>>333018415
There was demand for it, but apparently the servers were super complicated and NCSoft refused to release the specs. There have been like 3 kickstarter projects to create spiritual successors to the game, but I have little hope in any of them.
>>333018415
There is Paragon Chat, but it's a chat room for RP at the moment. There is also Champions Online, but it's being full furry at the moment with the new Animal Pack release.
>>333018656
You'd think NCsoft would notice how much people miss CoH and bring that shit back or make a new version. I'm sure you could literally copy paste the game in a new engine and people would eat it up.
?>>333018951
CO is not dead?
>>333018656
>>333018954
There are rumors that someone in NCSoft really fucking hate CoH and when that person was given a chance, that person pull the plug on the game. They then have that server use for Guild Wars 2 purposes.
>>333018951
Can't really blame the company animating the Champions corpse right now. Furries always seem to have so much fucking money and will spend it excessively without remorse for any game that caters to them.
>>333019075
It's getting some regular update the past couple of month, including and Hard Endgame to keep the hardcore players occupied. There is plan of a new event this month after the Foxbat Con.
>>333019107I bought with ingame money and playing the fuck out of the character creation system and leveling those animal alt up. I fucking love it.
I fucking hate Trion
this used to be one of the best MMOs on the market and then they fucking ruined it, just like they ruined Archeage
>>333019461
I fucking knew it too. I knew when it was announced Trion was publishing ArcheAge. I said, they will fuck this up. But nobody listened to me. They all told me they were just publishing it, nothing else. They told me that Trion really loves the game and is trying their best with it. They told me all sorts of shit, but I knew. And I FELL FOR IT ANYWAYS! I won't be playing another Trion game again. Fool me once!
>>333017923
>The Kanako route of the PSP game was written better than the fucking novel
How does that even happen?
>>333019461
>>333019617
>wanted to try Archeage at launch
>keep disconnecting and for some reason, I had to restart
>try asking support but they didn't answer shit
>download it again
>87%
>disconnect
>you have to redownload the game, again
Fuck them for wasting my time and fuck them for having one of the most shittest downloading I ever seen. At least I didn't waste my time experiencing the shitfest I heard about Archeage.
>>333019461
Same. I fucking despise Trion for what they did to archeage.
>>333019617
I knew it, but I just didn't think it would be THAT BAD
But god they proved me wrong.
>>333019809
you missed nothing, the game was pretty mediocre even if you just casually played it and didnt care about the pay2win endgame
>>333019461
What was fucked about it? I never tried it but kept hearing that it was a very decent rpg that had nothing special going for it other than class customization therefore no one latched on to it.
>>333019927
After going free2play, Trion proceeded to:
1. Make raid gear available in the cash shop
2. Force you to pay for fucking EQUIPMENT SLOTS
3. Force you to pay to wear some items
4. Force you to pay for classes in a GAME BUILT AROUND MULTICLASSING
5. Half-assed content development, none of the raid bosses were bugtested at all. Anyone who abused the hundreds of bugs was banned
>>333020120
Is there anything wrong with that last point though, in regards to them banning people exploiting bugs?
Or are you saying shit was so fucked that people got banned regardless because of said bugs?
>>333020483
The boss mechanics were so absolutely fucked that people would attempt one strategy only to find out that it was the intended strategy and that they were later banned. I forget the exact specifics but there was one fight where a totem or some other object could interact with the boss mechanic when only players were supposed to, and people got banned for that.
>>333020483
Here's the thing. The bosses were so fucked that sometimes you'd just accidentally bug it out and take advantage of it. You'd have to go out of your fucking way to NOT bug bosses sometimes.
>>333020656
it wasnt the intended strategy*
TFWI worked on Wildstar.
Friendly reminder that Tera is responsible for the death of Rift.
>>333021012
What kinda stuff did you work on?
>>333021012
If it makes you feel any better I liked the game and got to Datascape in the third month, but my guild disbanded and I was essentially forced to start all over or quit. So I chose to quit.
>>333021103
Mission design and polish. You would not believe how terrible the standards were there.
>>333019075
>>333019107
>>333019303
Man I played Champions Online back in 2011 that shit was great. Then some other company bought it I forgot who, and my account died
>>333021176
I still maintain that if the game were fantasy themed instead of scifi, it would have been way more popular than it ended up being.
>PvE
What is the point even. There aren't enough MMOs that allow me to murder other players and take their shit.
>>333021297
I think it would have gotten less attention if it didn't have the amazing setting. That's what I'm most sad about seeing it die. I read all the lore docs and the setting had lots of cool stuff that hadn't been tapped yet. You've got the fantasy tropes, but because it's also sci-fi and got a writing style there's a lot of moden-day tropes and plots you can drop in as well. Stuff like the Chua Boy Band they added in one of the patches, or the Protostar all being clones of one guy who turned their entire homeworld into a corporate office.
I hope that someday Guild Wars 1 will go free to play.
>>333021012
lets hear some stories anon, also tell me why the devs fucked up more shit everytime they fixed something
>>333021038
how so?
>>333021297
I still maintain that if they had a melee class that wasn't a carbon copy of warrior from wow and some faggot with stupid claws, theyd have more players.
>>333021510
I don't know if it's just me, but something about scifi themes (laser guns, spaceships, aliens in space suits etc.) instantly turns me off to a game. They have to be really good games to keep my attention.
>>333021748
At the time, 90% of people outside of WoW were serial MMO-hoppers going from one big MMO to the next. The months leading up to Tera launching were a lull in content for Rift and every raider on my server would talk in the level 50 chat about going over to Tera when it came out. Tera launched and 3/4s of the raiders on the server stopped logging in. Shortly after that Trion started their avalanche of cash shop shit because a ton of players had stopped playing.
>>333021689
Best story is probably how it was decided that the game was too easy, so we should throw in super hard versions of monsters in the regular population. Whole design team spends two solid weeks creating new creatures, adding them to every quest, achievement, and challenge, re-writing and re-translating text, and trying to make them all look different. It goes into beta and people just avoid or ignore the monsters, or we have to reposition them because they're blocking something important.
Also we had to ensure that every questline gave a certain amount of XP. But we weren't allowed to change how much XP a quest gave for some reason, so we had to inflate the number of monsters to kill per quest.
Shit got fucked up because our tools were terrible and there was a lack of training/standards. For example, I only discovered near the end of my time there that you can add a creature to a Faction and have a spell or quest respond to a particular faction, instead of manually associating it every individual creature. So many bugs happened because some creature variant wasn't included.
Also our Spell editor. They remade the spell system something like 4 times. When I had it, if the spell was broken the game said "Spell Failed". Doesn't tell you why, so you had to spend literal hours doing guess and check, tweaking settings until it works.
>>333022206
got anything to say about how the game is doing now? do you know if nc soft will kill it soon?
>>333022374
There's something like 30 people working at Carbine now. Don't expect anything after the new raid that was promised, if that.
I'm pretty sure the whole thing has been an embarrassment to NCsoft. They're going to run it until the second it becomes unprofitable then no more Carbine.
>>333022612
who do you blame more for how the game turned out? devs or ncsoft? and tell me about some of the bullshit ncsoft put you guys through
>>333022206
>so we should throw in super hard versions of monsters in the regular population
Is this why there were so many fucking hard mobs that required something like 3+ people to down, that were just wandering around doing nothing?
Me and a buddy played together back when the game got released and we always wondered why every zone had random elite mobs that required a group, except they were placed in solo content areas. Seemed pointless.
>>332988510
I liked aion as well. The blend of pvp and pve was really nice.
Then they fucked up invading and then everything else slowly went to shit after patch 1.75
>>333022742
From what I saw, the devs. The leadership was creatively bankrupt, literally driving away more talented people because they were trying so hard to copy WoW. The only NCsoft interference was when the heads came in for an inspection and were mad that we had ~14 zones 75% complete but none 100%. So the choice was made to completely stop development on some zones despite them having useful content in them.
>>333022983
That's exactly why. I don't even remember the reasoning, especially since they had spent the last three months making the combat easier and easier. I guess they attempted a really terrible bandaid solution.
>>333023170
i want to know who actually thought 40 man raids was still a thing when people who play mmo's today can hardly do a basic dungeon
>>333022206
>>333022983
>>333023170
See this is why I think PVE is a lost cause in >>333004371. I'm no hardcore by any means but I don't like it when a game treats me like I'm an imbecile. Yet that's what everyone else playing PVE wants.
>>333023330
Pretty much. The directors wanted to make a game for Everyone, then the whole "Hardcore" thing started after that one promotional video voiced by Stephen Frost and they decided to embrace the meme as part of their marketing.
I can think of one very specific person who I will not name, but actually worked on WoW and was treated like nobility at Carbine. They were constantly complaining about how hard the game was and using Blizzard policies to justify development decisions.
>>332982392SWTOR
no really, it actually got better
>>333023614
how much did the devs actually listen to people since they always said it during the trailers and did you ever browse the forums and witness that bat shit insane tranny franbunny
Wildstar is totally dead, go with FFXIV
>>333023717
Not sure. Orders always came from on high, so I don't know how they compared to the forums. Maybe I should have paid more attention to the forums.
>>333023832
alright,well thanks for answering all my questions anon,feel free to share more if you want
>>333023927
Any lore questions you had? That's my favorite stuff to talk about.
>>333023987
>>333023927
Also you would not believe how low the standards were for designers, especially with how much scripting was involved.
>>333023987
not really i could hardly really tell what was going on, and i didn't think the game would survive that long so i never looked into it feel free to share some neat things though
>>333012682
Oh no you have to pay a sub to have fun! Oh the humanity, go play wow and boost to 100 if all you want is end-game faggot.
>>332996675
I see. This is what I recommend with their pros and cons: If I don't mention others it's because I've tried them but I didn't like them/don't really care to mention them
Tera: for that souls-like combat feel, also, you get lolis called Elin, you can join groups and go into dungeons. Use a "buddy-up" code from level 1 for about 80k gold worth of free items. This is the overall "best one" out of the whole bunch just because the others are idiots and didn't fix a few major faults they had
Rift: skill trees similar to how WoW was during the Burning crusade, has a shitload of content, you can join groups and go into dungeons, can scale down in level with one click so you can redo low level content without re-rolling, easily a great ride but requires commitment at one point because gearing up at endgame pulls from all aspects of the game or you'll be stuck doing just normal dungeons. open world mobs are a tad too wimpy imho
AION: solid mmo, except it has a shitty dungeon finder, so you will literally have to level without finding a single group, but if you're into open world, this game is good. there's some grind involved. character creator is fun
EverQuest: Even with the use of "mercenaries" you will get wrecked if you go into the wrong zone at the wrong level. Even mobs that con "grey" to you can wreck you if there's more than a few of them. World is so huge it's ridiculous. You can literally walk the land for eternity and find quests and things to do, crafting is crazy complicated by today's standards, some people appreciate that. Dungeon finder is garbage, but the open world is literally a whole world (22 expansions), so it doesn't matter. their f2p model is more like "try before you buy" though, lasts until about lvl 80, then your character starts feeling wonky unless you subscribe. there's heavy grind involved
>>332982392
Play Nostalrius. If you can get beyond the outdated graphics and the lack of utilities and easy progression you're gonna have the time of your life. I'm having so much fun on the PvP server, totally feels like playing wow in 2006 and how a mmorpg should play.
>>333024092
Okay. Uh...
Well, the biggest secret of the setting is that the Eldin are not extinct and Nexus is not their homeworld. Eventually some were going to arrive and get super mad at all the mortals running around their planet.
Also Nexus is entirely artificial, built from scratch and in layers. The current continents are on the outermost layer. The next layer down had something so terrible happen that they buried the whole thing and started over.
>>333023987
i´d love to hear some behind-the-scenes gossip but i can´t even remember if i actually bought wildstar or only played the beta.
>>333024434
the second part sounds actually awesome.
>>333022206
crabmine-kun, do you have any insight as to why they went with a GW1 style limited ability setup for the bars, but then went fucking gestapo on any builds that weren't the obvious "Filler, CD, mid CD, Proc, stun, movement" spread? Was there ever a time where it was more GW1-like with more abilities than A WHOPPING HANDFUL per spec, or was that no really your department?
>>333024434
So who was the guy this datacube talked about?
>Within this facility, we will achieve the single greatest accomplishment in the history of our people - the creation of the Genesis Prime. This task has not been without its challenges. Even with their vast knowledge the Orders have experienced difficulties in developing the necessary technology - but l have recently come to an agreement with an... interested party. We should obtain the required designs before long.
Was this 'interested party' guy ever revealed?
Pick Guild Wars 2 if you want to PvE.
GW2 or Wakfu.
>>333024434
>>333024532
I assume he means the Genesis Prime and the Entity. It's not cool, it looks like an anorexic Tyranid Hive Tyrant with the worst color scheme.
>>333024623
>GW2
>PvE
they killed Dungeons, Fractals are nothing but exploit/meta build fests, and Raids are literally some of the worst raids that have ever been seen in the MMO market.
>>333024623
>recommending Guild Wars 2
>ever
They outright stolen the player's money when they say they will stop making new Legendary Weapons but insist in creating more gemshop weapon and armor skin.
They also nerf the fuck out of the Dungeon's reward, made Fractal retarded with a system where you have to spend money just to open your chest reward, HoT area are dead, Raid is once a week shit that still follow the Zerker meta, and the only place left that PvE farm is the Silverwaste, which was the farming place of a year and a half.
>>333023987
Yeah, actuallyIn Celestalon, there's a journal that seems to imply that the writer, while an Aurin from Arboria, does not remember a "Queen Myala" at all and is horrified that everyone else accepted her as the ruler as if she always had been. Was that a plot hook that was going to be explored or just a something from an earlier version of the lore that never got cleaned up?
>>332983571
>XIV is dying
>the only current subscription MMO besides the aging giant WoW that is managing to stand up to it compared to these flash in the pan korean shitshows
>>333024827
Don't remind me Anon, I spent so much time on this game only to see it getting canned 6 months after their first xpac...
>>333024457
I don't want to badmouth anyone specific. A lot of this stuff I only realized in retrospect.
>>333024632
>>333024532
Nah, Genesis Prime/Entity is Outer-Nexus's problem. Whatever happened in Inner Nexus wasn't decided yet, as it was mostly writer headcanon. I like to think it was something so stupid the Eldin decided to wash their hands of it.
>>333024593
They're referring to Omechron, the Primeval of Logic. He's a big floating head that lives in an invisible space station orbiting Nexus. He looks like Aku Aku. Was going to be revealed as part of the World Story, I think.
>>333024580
c-crabmine? Oh, a mutation of Carbine.
It was always limited abilities as long as I was there. I didn't have much input on combat design, except for being really really mad that playing a Stalker tank solo is completely impractical. I thought that Nanofield meant I could take on five guys at once and survive via lifesteal. Then after getting my ass kicked constantly I switched to assault and suddenly found it a breeze.
I think at one point you were supposed to unlock most of your abilities through quests, but I think that got axed.
Question for you guys: Favorite path? Paths were awesome.
>>333024925
I never heard about that. Probably some fluff that got added, though that would be a pretty awesome storyline. Aurin get played pretty straight in the lore. Reminds me of the Protostar in Algoroc whose mind control stops working and is about to reveal the sinister goal of the corporation when he's crushed by a rock.
MMOs are basically dead now.
WoW was too big to fail, and it failed. It was the height of MMO greatness (whether it was a good game or not is another debate) and people have become disenfranchised with MMOs with the "I don't want to put this much effort into another dying game again" mentality. Everyone else wants to be the next "WoW" but are failing miserably at it.
MMOs will never be good again until Virtual Reality starts to set in. MMOs need VR to become fresh and "immersive" again. Until, they'll all just be miserable WoW clones.
>>333025129
>Question for you guys: Favorite path? Paths were awesome.
I thought I'd like Explorer, but it was more about jumping puzzles and checkllists than it was about exploring
I thought I'd like Scientist, but it was more about clicking mobs and hammering the scan button than it was about Metroid Prime Scans
I thought I'd like Settler, but it was just an extra grind threshold and being frustrated that the world was empty after the first weekI never even bothered with soldier and wish the Path system had instead just been types of quests that anyone could pick up and do, and maybe have a dedicated "Path Slot" ability that was unlocked by progressing in those quest types rather than deciding at level one and locking you out of the other options.
>>333025129
>Revealed as part of the world story
He was datamined in the f2p patch, he's finally showing up in the next patch, maybe, if Carbine is to be believed, as a sort of followup to the OMNIcore
>I never heard about that
That's a shame, I was really kind of hoping that Myala's crown was some kind of crazy Aurin mind control device or something, and if she ever took it off, all the Auin would just revolt and go hide in the jungle or something, anything to add a bit of depth to "elves who use cutesy words and have animal ears".Was there anything about the future of the setting that was actually decided on? It sounds like a whole lot of it was just sort of left nebulous and open, which is good for development I guess, but once you learn that it kind of takes away some of the magic of thinking there's a larger picture that you're only at the start of.
I feel sorry for anyone who cares about Lore.
One of the worst things anyone can sink their time into.
You knowing all of the monsters' names by heart isn't gonna help you win that dungeon or beat that one kid in PVP. Stop wasting your time and play the shit like everyone else, who cares.
>>333025717
>knowing all of the monsters' names by heart
What? Is this a bait?
>>333025832
It was a fucking example you faggot ass cherrypicker. Obviously I don't believe the entirety of lore is about Monster names.
Kill yourself
>>333024290
Someone had mentioned tera earlier, but said not to do berserker. Do you know why? It was easily the class that appealed to me the most, even if I'm a huge faggot and ranged are better 99% of the time in any game.
Loved doing huge hits, spinning or being able to solo big mobs or even dungeons thanks to block (although I only tried soloing the first two, got kind of bored after that)
>>333025717
Knowing shit about monsters used to matter when knowing their stats would help you avoid/fight them. Nowadays monsters are telegraph spewers chained to a spot.
>>333025717
>Not caring about lore
Play Call of Legends 2: Battleground of the Paladins and then kill you're self so you can stop ruining MMORPGs, my man
>>333025890
>cherrypicker.
I literally picked the one thing you posted. It's not like I chose the one cherry that suited me among a variety of other ones.
You are being pretty retarded there.
>>333025832
Don't respond to weak bait, you'll encourage him.
>>333025434
After OMNIcore is Vault of the Archon/Hall of the Hundred. They may have added Omechron to make the story wrap up faster, since he wasn't in the original plan.
Yeah that would be pretty funny if Queen Myala turned out to be some kind of villain. Drusera and Myala were both favorite characters of Chad Moore, the head writer, hence the blandness. The rest of the writing team had to work around him, so that might be where the Mind Control hints came from.
Other than the Eldin coming back one day, the plan was that Omechron would help the player build a thing to split Drusera and Entity and they'd have to fetch X number of macguffins to do it. After that the two of them would be taken "Out of play" somehow.
Doing setups without knowing the exact payoff is the best way to do plot development. You ever run a tabletop game? You can't plan all of it out ahead of time because you don't know what the players will like most or when you'll be inspired by something else. Or when the game will flop.
>>333025717
Lore is like fries to the gameplay's burger. It's better to have good fries than bad fries, and they keep you occupied when you're not in the mood for another bite of burger.
>lore
that´s one of the fundamental problems of MMOs today. nobody wants to invest his time or mental capacity into the 23rd clone of the generic fantasy setting. at least Wildstar tried to avoid it, but failed by using the edgy humor of a 14 year old.
>>333025129
Any Insight as to why the Aurin drop out of existence as soon as you hit 20? Their faction leader doesn't even do anything significant past that point. (I only played past the very first new story zone)
>>333021012
How much programming experience did you have when you joined? I'm about to finish getting my BS in CS and I'm hesitant on what kind of jobs to apply for with my skill level since I haven't really been tested with real world stuff
>>333025921
Don't know why they said that. Maybe they just don't want to see too many berserkers
>Loved doing huge hits, spinning
Berserkers are all about that. It's literally one of the most fun melee classes, you can also push a key to block boss hits. In this game being a melee dps is painful, and you will come to love their ability to block boss dmg while everyone around you in your group gets fucking wrecked
>>333026062
>Drusera and Myala were both favorite characters of Chad Moore, the head writer, hence the blandness
That's kind of sad, he seems like a genuinely nice guy.
Unfortunately, it's hard to actually come up with questions you might be able to answer, due to us not knowing what you worked on and because of the inherent mercurial nature of mmo development.Is there any truth to the game being rebooted EIGHT FUCKING TIMES, and at least one of those being ready to ship before the Action MMO push hit, making them want to reboot it to be less like a WoW clone and more like a WoW clone with actiony elements? Frankly, I kind of feel like I'd prefer that, if it ever existed.Also, how true is it that the people in power actively ignored the QA team? They seems proud as hell whenever they talked about how they asked a QA tester how he felt about 40 mans, and his response was "I'd hate it, but I'd do it", which they took as "FUCK YEAH 40 MAN"
>>333026319
How many games have you made? Fix that. If you want a job in the industry to have to make games on your own first. Right now, Unreal Engine 4 is in really high demand. Recruiters care less about experience and more about doing things relevant to the company's needs.
>>333026258
No idea, sorry. My guess is people didn't really know what to do with them.
>>333026396
I'm only aware of two reboots. I don't think the game was every particularly ready. Funnily enough, the very oldest design documents mention Drusera by name, even when Nexus had a totally different name. There's also an old poster by Gaffney's old office showing what Mordesh originally looked like, which were like cyber elves instead of undead. Speaking of Mordesh, when their reveal trailer was out, the Mordesh they used was literally the only model we had for the race.
The 40 man raids were part of the WoW obsession. I know a few people tried to talk them out of it but were either stonewalled or buried in work.
>>333024295
I don't care about the graphics, but to me personally it's about being able to just play the game minute to minute without it feeling like a chore. Modern Everquest has this problem, and so does Nostralius. I'm talking about like, shitty controls, unusable interface, lack of utilities (like you said). That stuff really annoys me.
Is that something I just missed being able to "fix" when I played on Nostalrius? I do have some nostalgia for older MMOs, but I can't get past the controls and shit
>>333026641
Speaking of old posters, is it safe to assume this represents an earlier version of drusera, or perhaps a "true form" of the Genesis Prime from earlier in development?
>>333026641
I'm not sure if you can but can you post any sort of proof that you worked there? I mean, all this stuff sounds plausible, and it's an interesting discussion regardless. Just a curiosity.
>>333026756
I've never heard of Influx, though I've seen that image on a poster.
Oh yeah, now I remember. The original concept was a bunch of dimensions/time shenanigans all converging on a single planet. Yeah, I think that's Drusera, aka "Drusera the Betrayer" who was part of some prophecy or cycle or something. No clue who the idiots in back are.
>>333026713
>quit xiv
>decide to play RO on a private server with friends
>ui is outdated as hell
>moving to click is fucked beyond belief
Pretty much killed the fun0
>>333026993
Yeah, it really fucking sucks. Modern MMOs are laden with design problems and bugs, but generally at least work minute to minute and have the most people playing them.
Private server MMOs have some great game design in them and a nostalgic appeal, but horribly outdated design in other areas, especially UI and controls. Plus, a lot less people play them (although this can also be argued to be a good thing, depending on the kind of person you are)
Seems like you can't win. This is probably why WoW remains the most popular MMO, because it's at least pretty inoffensive.
>>332982392
no current mmos are worth playing
pve play eq 99 or nostalrius
pvp uthgard private daoc server is opening up again soon in a beta capacity, could try signing up for it
>>333026903
>The original concept was a bunch of dimensions/time shenanigans all converging on a single planet
Jesus that sounds so much cooler than the bland shit we got, even if it elevates Drusera even higher on the Mary Sue chart
But, assuming you're not just spewing bullshit, what's a cool thing that you personally liked that got cut? What's something you hate that made it in? Is there anything you think no one's noticed/found/appreciates that you get sad thinking about no one finding before the game dies?
>>333026862
Here's my dev hoodie.
>>333027173
Works for me, I guess.
