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is tyranitar the strongest non legendary default pokemon?
>>332970360
Blaziken.
Slaqueen
>>332971072
you mean the female blaziken porn where she seduces her trainer and he gets all horny and rams her pussy real good?
>>332971236
No, he means Protect>Speed Boost>Sweep.
>>332970360
>default pokemon
what does this even mean?
and pseudo-legendaries are all on a pretty even level in terms of strength.
>>332972858
>Pseudo-Legendaries are all on a pretty even level in terms of strength
Pretty much this. My nigga Dragonite still kicks ass
Entei and Metagross are the 2 best pokemon in the series.
Oh, andmale gardeviour
>>332973658
>worst legendary dog
>best anything
>>332973837
>implying you wouldn't take his knot
I dont play the games so i dont know how he stands there
>>332970360
His abilities suck dick and being rock/dark he can be 1shotted by a fast fighting move.
>>332970360
Statistically? No. Hes got too many weaknesses.
Lorewise?
Dunno, go ask /vp/
>>332973997
Raikou has better speed, special attack and moves
Suicune is Suicune
so he's worst by default
>>332974028
More like you suck dick switching it into physical fighting.
Swole as fuck vs specials
>>332974331
best looking, stats dont matter
>>332970360
The strongest non-mega, non-legendary Pokemon is Aegislash.
Pseudo-legendary power level, non-mega:
Garchomp > Tyranitar > Dragonite > Hydreigon > Metagross > Goodra > Salamence
By strength I mean competitive viability. Salamence is the lowest because he is pretty much completely outclassed by Dragonite at his role, so there is no reason to use him.
>>332974856
Suicune is far better looking.
>>332974856
>implying
>>332974961
>implying
he looks like something from the candy store that you'd have immediate regret finishing.
>>332975098
But Entei looks like a badly tanned Arcanine.
>>332975024
I want to french them.
>>332975395
>>332975316
Motherfucker's got a dapper mustache. The other 2 doge can't compete
>>332975561
Oh you wanna compare mustaches, huh
>>332975907
nigga those just be some copycat shit
>>332976523
>cat
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>332970360
Sableye w/ prankster is where it's at.
>I'm confused
>I'm should hit myself in the face
Don't even waste time min/max breeding.
>>332972648
>Talonflame used Brave Bird!
>>332974874
>Garchomp at top
>Salamence at bottom
>tfw I've sweeped the fuck out of Garchomps with Salamences all the time
>>332974331
>Suicune is Suicune
You mean the BEST wall in the game, right?
>404 HP paired with dual 100 defenses
Crocune is the best wall in the game just for how hard he is to take down.
>>332979814
That's a listing for general power and utility.
It doesn't mean that an idiot can use Garchomp to overcome someone who knows what they are doing.
Targeted threats will generally overcome stuff they are intended to, outside something absurd like Mega Rayquaza.
I think this smug motherfucker is up there, Protean is so broken
>>332974028
>Sand Stream
>bad
>>332972858
except for Gooda
>>332980445
Annoying as shit but good thing Gastrodon invalidates its common set.
Are sandstorm teams still a thing?i miss my tyranitar and excadrill
>>332981034
They're decent but the issue is there's not very many GOOD sandstorm teams anymore.
>>332981034
Yes.
Sand Core is still common.
>>332970360
Salking
>>332981034
Weather teams aren't really as dominant as they used to be, but sand teams are probably the most usable of the 4 weathers.Hail, on the other hand, is dead.
>>332972858
>and pseudo-legendaries are all on a pretty even level in terms of strength.
Not true, Tyranitar has sand boosting his Special Defense by 1.5x, which is worth a lot more than some give it credit for.
>>332974874
I think it being Steel/Ghost is enough for it to be bullshit, then they had to throw in that King's Shield/Stance change bullshit
>>332981251
it would be broken if he didnt have such a shitty typing
Is Klefki still a bitch to deal with?
>>332981251
And Dragonite has an ability that halves damage taken when its at full health. Most Pseudos have at least decent abilities.
>>332970360
It would be Mega Kangaskhan or Mega Salamence.
If we're excluding Megas, yeah, I guess it'd either be Tyranitar or Garchomp.
>>332974874
Salamence has a much higher special attack.
>>332981243
>sand teams are probably the most usable of the 4 weathers.
You'd be amazed how fucking crazy Sunny Day builds can get now thanks to shit like Mega Venusaur and Primal Groudon.
>>332981357
Its typing is good.
Its just Fighting Moves became more common since Gen 4.
>>332981485
I'm not counting Primals for obvious reasons, especially not Primal Groudon.
I didn't realize that Mega Venusaur functioned well on Sun teams, I always assumed that was more of a normal Venusaur thing.
>>332981416
There's only two random teams I've ever rolled that actually sweeped genuinely good teams with just one Pokemon each without taking any damage.
One was a Ninjask + Substitute + Bulk Up + Baton Pass into Hitmonchan
The other was Klefki who used Calm Mind ONCE.
Pokemon Showdown is terrible, by the way.
>>332981416
If you go to AG.
Its screens fodder now.
>It's been 3 years and /vp/ is still pissed about this
>>332981485
>Sun teams without charizard Y
Fucking what
>>332981654
Even without Chlorophyll supplementing Mega Venasaur, it has enough of a buffed Special Attack that it can fuck shit up with Solar Beam.
>>332981812
I actually never used Charizard Y in any sun teams. What's he offer?
>>332970360
>default
You no english well.
No, swagki, ditto, megablaze, genesect, and darkrai are the best.
Tyranitar is garbage, barely even viable in OU.
>>332981906
he literally forces Sunny Day when he is switched in
>>332981906
the sexyness factor
It's it just a re-skinned Charizard?
>>332982116
To be fair, so does Groudon.
>>332975907
>first legendary dog I caught legit
>accidentally release it when doing the clone glitch
I have no one to blame but myself and that makes it even worse
>>332981906
>What does Charizard Y have to offer to a sun team
Well, namely, the sun.
>>332981906
He's the best drought-user that isn't a legendary, so if you're playing in a format that doesn't allow for legendary Pokemon, he's a good bet.
>People using Charizard Y over X
>>332982958
>being a 6 year old who chooses the black edgy dragon
The bigger question though: is Goodra agirl?
>>332983278Either way, Goodra's a slut.
>>332982148
Honestly, the top-tier of non-legendaries, non-megas is pretty damn small, just because of how brutal the powercreep has been.
With that said, I'd say the top-tier of the regulars (in no particular order) is:
Togekiss (Serene Grace only, obviously)
Galvantula
Aegislash
Blissey (situationally)
Blaziken
Greninja
Milotic
All the pseudo-legendaries
Klefki (for being an obnoxious little bitch)
Volcarona
Alakazam
Lucario
Gengar
I really like the idea of playing pokemon with a competitive mindset, and I really enjoy building teams and playing with different things, but holy shit the people on Showdown are so brain dead it takes the fun out of it.
>>332984954
>tfw not good at showdown
>>332983994
>Blissey
>not chansey
KUK
>>332988447
Eviolite is shit, man.
the loss of the other stats and the item slot does not make up for the increased defenses.
>>332982000
>A ranking in OU
>""""""""""""barely"""""""""""" viable
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-ou-viability-ranking-thread-v4-see-post-1254-page-51.3553516/
>They'll never make Gyarados to a Water/Dragon type
>>332970360
I feel like physical attackers have a way harder time in pokemon than special attackers.
>intimidate puts them at a starting disadvantage
>burns which halve their attack permanently if they don't have guts
>kings shield bs
meanwhile, special attackers have to worry about
>confide
>...
>>332989105
I'm still holding out for another mega, although I fucking love Mega Gyarados, in both look and function.
>>332980672
greninja is pretty gay
>>332981798
It's still fucking gay. Digivolutions is when Pokemon finally jumped the shark.
>>332989287
Physical attack is able to buff itself much easier and has attacks that can put a hurting a lot more effectively than physical. Still, it's best to have a team with a good mix.
>>332975024
>implying implying
He even has the better shiny form. GTFO you ballerina faggots.
>>332989652
I understand that, it's just frustrating when my special attackers go down and I can safely forfeit because all I have left are burnt physical attackers who can't do shit.
>>332989287
>I feel like
No, its just true Anon.
To give you an example, Black kyurem dispite having stupid as fuck BST its still OU, and lower in OU. While White Kyurem is in Ubers.
The most popular set for greninja that had no checks or counters was a special set, etc.
However you could argue that because the best pokemon in ubers is Primal Groundon, that physicals have it good too. But phyiscals do have it way harder.
>>332989830
Stop relying on sweepers, then. Hell, I only run 1 sweeper on my current OU and UU teams and they run great.
![289Slaking[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/pPxk9zW.png "289Slaking[1].png")
Technically speaking, Slaking would be the strongest since he's the only non-legendary with a bst of 680
But then he's hindered by his ability so there's that
>>332984954
I'm fucking horrendous and use shitty low tier NFE pokes and end up destroying kids
But...when someone does know how to play I get rekt just as bad
>>332989995
I pretty much exclusively playdoubles, where sweepers aren't as common or are at least harder to set up.
>>332977462
Azumiril used aqua jet.
Anyone uses extreme speed
>>332990197
>doubles
Doubles scare the shit out of me. I have the feeling it takes a kind of autism that I'm not willing to commit to. I applaud your braveryHow is it there?
Sorry to inform you that it is Volcarona.
>>332981423
>at full health
>>332990431
Every team has a gimmicklike my trick room teamso they key to winning is to recognize what they're trying to do and either prevent them from doing it or get your own strategy going quicker than theirs.
I'm in the top 10 for the Smogon Triples ladder, if you really want a stressful experience that's the place to get it. So many fucking variables to consider.
>>332990431
Its fun
Shit just works in doubles its fun
I used to spam hyper offense Deoxys and Zard-Y lead in XY doubles
I'd protect first turn with both, get my sun with Zard Y, then just start mindlessly spam attacks with heatwave from Zard Y, and Superpower and pysco boost.Now it may have been like half a year ago on somewhat low latter on Showdown, but it was still fun.
>>332990431
>>332991082
I should clarify that I play smogon doubles, I can't really speak for VGC other than be prepared for Primal Groudon because EVERY FUCKING TEAM HAS IT.
>>332970360
Why wasn't this nigga in Pokken?
How much am I missing out on if I only play Little cup, PU, and the other low tiers? Thats where my favorite pokes are and even then they are bad for reasons
>>332991082
Trick room is hilarious even in Doubles. I used to start out with Bronzong and Dusknoir in gen 4, use Trick Room, Zong explodes next turn. Dusknoir and Metagross begin cleaning and then pretty much anything can be used afterwords to sweep like Heat Wave Zapdos and U-turn Azelf into a Dragonite or your mon of choosing.
>>332991242
because koreans figured luchadora pikachu was more important than literally anything else
Mega salamence is the best non legendary thing.
Mega rayquaza was banned from ubers if that says anything about how strong it is.
>>332977217
this guy knows
>Prankster Sableye in Trick room
> Will o Wisp for fucking everything and recover when I get too low on HP
>check smogon
>mfw greninja is ubers
Also rampardos, haxorus, slaking, ect. all have higher attack stats than tyranitar but since tyranitar isn't shit in every stat except attack and doesn't have an ability that automatically sends it to the trash he's better than them.
>>332981536
>good typing
>rock
pick one
>>332991381
>ho-oh better than lugia
when did this happen?
>>332991290
nothing, there's no point in playing higher tiers unless you like genies or smogonbird
>>332991492
Since Gold, fagola.
>>332991492
I'd say because primal groudon.
Electivire is the best.just give it volt tackle for fucks sake, GF
>>332989105
>>332989303
gyarados is based on a legend about a fish that jumped over the dragon gate and became a dragon, which pissed off the gods, so they turned it into a flying fish.
it will never be a dragon.
>>332991640
if they're not gonna give up volt tackle from the pikachu line they could at least give an alternative, Luxray needs one too
the GOAT coming through
>>332991470
Excuse me Greninja is the most broken Pokemon in existence because we at Smogon determined he has more than 4/5 viable moves, therefore we cannot drill autistic matchup calculations into our heads as easily.
Lilligant is my favourite pokemon art wise and game wise
>>332991640
I used to fuck people up with Electivire on battle revolution
good ass poke
>>332981423
>muh stealth rocks
no longer at full hp right off the bat
>>332991736
stab on every move is no joke f@m
>>332991683
Don't tread on me or my dreams ever again.
>>332991492
>walls xerneas
>walls primal groudon
That's about it
>>332991470
I run into Frogadier and Froakie in low tiers with that Protean shit all the time. no idea how to deal with it
>>332991798
I guess we should the Porygon family into AG
>scizor U-turn
>>332992014
how does the porygon family get stab on every move?
>>332991736
It's more that he was overcentralizing because you could just slap him on literally any team.Lando still has higher usage than frog ever didFrog was one of his only checks
>>332992125
They can be any type
do you actually play the game or do you just read the designated sets
>>332992172
Literally why is Landorus not in Uber yet
>>332992172
>implying smogonfags will ever REMOVE GENIES
>>332992221
yeah but they have to use a shitty move to accomplish that and it doesn't automatically change to the type of the attack you're using
>>332992225
because every landorus the same exact thing so it's predictable and therefore ok
Smogon literally only cares about stall and bans anything that beats stall.
>>332992172
Greninja was the PERFECT sweeper.
>>332992474
Is*
>>332992447
for what meta? I played UU singles and every single team had a staller
>>332992714
UU is the worst offender by far.
Literally everything in BL is something that beats stall and almost every team carries 2+ walls.
>>332992447
More like bans anything that breaks the stall do you not remember Gen 5
>>332992172
okay
why isn't landorus banned
he's in 28.6% of all smogon tracked matches
is this not the very definition of overcentralizing?
I wish I could build a good team.
>>332992714
UU hates stallbreakers aka any subpar but decent sweepers.
>>332991683
Man the gods are fucking assholes, why do they care if the fish worked hard and became a dragon
>>332993139
because its a crutch for fuckups that the high ladder is dependent on
same with thund-i
>>332993139
It's okay because [mental gymnastics]
Just wait and watch. At this point the only way they could be truthful is by flat out saying "we're not banning him because it upsets some people"
>>332993168
want my sub par UU team with mega sceptile or my sub par OU team with mega gallade Anon
>ban lucario and deoxys and mawile and genesect early in the gen 6 meta
>don't even bother seeing if they are worth unbanning in ORAS meta
It's sad seeing genesect and mega mawile be completely unused now.
>>332993331
muh sekrit dragon club
don't want the fish stealing our dragon maymays
>>332993352
>>332993353
>>332993168
I build shit teams and end up getting walled by one typing, BUT it's fun when you beat someone with a shit team
>heard that they were suspecting lando a while back and he was ultimately banned
>it was lando-i instead
lmao
>>332993414
>M-Mawile
>Banned
For what purpose? It has like 50 speed and no HP
>>332993357
Mega Gallade is OU?
>>332993414
>a pokemon with +2 priority and like 800 attack due to huge power with one of the best type combinations in the game should be further tested in ORAS meta with new move tutors
no
>>332993615
Mega Gallade is
Normal isn'tMaybe
>>332970360
Who is the cutest non legendary default pokemon?
>>332993467
yeah also theyre gonna do the same "bring it down from uber without a vote" thing they did with the genies with aegislash when sun/moon come out too
and volcanion probably wont be banned for like 6+ months despite 90 acc hydro pumps with a 30% brn chance
>>332993595
because it beats landorus
>>332993595
>252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Focus Punch vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 816-962 (127.1 - 149.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>immunity to toxic
>resists stealth rock
very unhealthy for the meta
>>332993565
Why as incarnation banned again?
ITT: /v/ shows that it has no knowledge about competitive Pokemon
And no OP, it's Aegislash or Greninja
>>332993736
Teddiursa.
>>332993789
Subtle.
>>332993736
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpes_5zYy5c
Oh and to answer your question: Smugleaf.
>Overused in every single generation
Gengar is one of the most consistently good Pokemon throughout the series
>>332993736
only sneks can be cute
>>332993736
>tfw I could translate this but I'm too lazy to edit the text
>>332989334
chespin is gay
>>332994095
?
does Tyranitar-M count and it depends if you qualify; Heatran, mythical; Manaphy, mythical; or Gengar, Gengar-M
>>332993835
Life orb and Sheer force is disgusting. Immune to all entry hazards and neutral against sneaky pubbles. Great speed that outspeeds even ubers since 101, etc.
However I'd aruge for it since Lando-T is so much more easily used and can be slapped on pretty much EVERY ou team, but I guess since it doesn't do stupid amounts of damage like Lando-I, it got the shaft instead.
Its a shame, I like Lando-I :^(
>>332993835
because it shit on walls and washing machine brns couldnt stop it
>>332993595
What can this thing sub on again?
>>332970360
No.
Aegislash is, followed by Greninja.
>>332994042
game freak selectively makes certain pokes good so they can be popular
They already knew greninja would be popular enough to be in smash 4 before x and y was announced
Weavile is getting forced in games and media too
>>332993595
trickroom bascially fucks up every other strategy so, smogon, banned it because muh ladder ranking
Same reason Gengar-M isn't OU
>>332993879
>competitive children's games
is this a good moveset for floatzel?
>>332993736
>>332994107
>that unreadable pink わ
why do people draw these characters
>>332994306
Chansey for one with adequate team support. Beating Chansey is a big no-no. You wouldn't want your phsyical wall to get buh-hud' by a set up sweeper would YOU?
>>332994491
whoa dude it looks like you're trying to do something out of the meta.
I gotchu senpai, here you are, be sure to copy paste this exactly. http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/floatzel/
>>332994634
>chansey
>physical wall
>>332994491
no
Its too squishy to use rain dance, its fast enough
Use dual stab waterfall and aqua jet, the other two moves are gud tho
change that item to muscle band/Life orb/Lefties
>>332994491
teach it waterfall over ice punch or crunch (better STAB). Floatzel could bruteforce most teams with mono-water attacks
>>332994635
tfw im retarded and end up copying straight up from smogon 95% of the time
how do i learn to build pokemon without help?
>>332994629
Looks fine to me. I've seen worse.
>>332994739
>not investing 252 in Def
Do I need to grab a smogon link?
>>332994863
Putting EVS into it won't turn it into a physical wall, you fucking retard.
>>332994863
Still not a physical wall.
Its base Defense is world renounced shit.
>>332993789
Oh, wow. The special sponge gets torn through by a physical attacker. Surprise.
>>332994803
They are honestly fine, the problem comes when people just copy paste them religiously and don't accept any variation in strategy.
>whoa you want to run HP Grass instead of Ice on you're manectric are you insane?!?!
>>332994863
>>332995026
>>332995051
>>332993789
>>332993947
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/chansey/
>it actually says that
what the fuck is wrong with these people
>>332981243
Should I bother with just a Hippowdown/Excadrill in my team or are they subpar if you don't go full sand storm?
>>332995205
>>332994863
All the defense on Chansey actually makes sense if you think about it.
With full defensive investment and eviolite, that's 1.5x all the defense you poured into it through evs, meaning it actually has decent defenses.
Special defense is already so huge with the eviolite that you don't really need to boos it much
>>332995232
If youre going for sandstorm, then go for a full sand team. Or at least things that compliment it well like steel types.
>>332993789
>focus punch
Anon PLEASE
I hate mega mawhile because its busted as shit but use a move it'll actually have in sets.
252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Play Rough vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 367-433 (57.1 - 67.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 218-257 (33.9 - 40%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Iron Head vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 327-385 (50.9 - 59.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
-----
+2 252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Play Rough vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 735-865 (114.4 - 134.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Iron Head vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 654-769 (101.8 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 436-513 (67.9 - 79.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>>332995497
But it says to take 252 SpDef. You've just defeated your own argument.
>>332993736
translate this you fucking weebs.
What are your favourite types, /v/?
I like Bug, Flying and Psychic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25T5U-Q_D2Y
>>332991492
R E G E N E R A T O R
>>332995026
>>332995051
>>332995085
>being that bad at Pogeymons
>>332995610
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>332995660
>Pika pikapikachuuu
>Cuuute!
>Is that the secret to popularity!?
>Ba bakubau bakufuuuuun
>Are you hungry? (Didn't you just eat?)
>That's not it
>>332995713
and?
His original "test" used Chansey.
>>332995698
Doesn't matter.
Knock-Off, you done.
where's this going?
>>332995497
>>332995620
It's because high defense/low hp is generally better than low defense/high hp
>50 hp/150 defense
0 Atk Mew Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 52-62 (21.5 - 25.7%) -- 1.2% chance to 4HKO
>150 hp/50 defense
0 Atk Mew Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 127-150 (28.7 - 34%) -- 1.6% chance to 3HKO
Chansey has astronomical HP already and boosting it further isn't going to make her more survivable than boosting her defensive stats.
She already has decent special defense even without eviolite boost making defensive investments worth much more than special ones.
>>332995667
Dragon and Ghost!
>>332995949
meant for >>332994832
>>332996056
coolest legendary
>>332996116
It doesn't go anywhere. It's not porn.
I can't remember if this art even does porn at all.
>>332995960
>It's because high defense/low hp is generally better than low defense/high hp
How wrong can you even be?
High defenses with shitty HP is AWFUL compared to High HP with shitty defenses.
>>332995852
the original test was clearly a joke about how it's not good for stall.
>>332996056
>last april fools he was legal in OU for a day.
I wanted him to stay too.
Rate my team please
>Mega Charizard X
>Excadrill
>Latios
>Hippowdown
>Azumarill
>Venusaur
>>332983162
X is objectively better, ignoring all design
>edgy the pokemon
>lame ability coupled with dark void
i used to be mad as fuck when people hacked him into their game
252+ Atk Choice Band Wurmple Tackle vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Chansey: 102-121 (15.9 - 18.8%) -- possible 6HKO
BAN THIS POKEMON
ban this broken fucking pokemon
>>332994759
>>332994635
sorry senpais but it came with swift swin that is why I decided to go with rain dance. also I made him learn ice punch because dragons
>>332996479
Zero Synergy/10
What the fuck is even the point of Hippo and Drill on that team? Where is your Taunter?
>>332996479
>Double Weather Core
>X
ayy
>>332995826
thanks
>>332996293
Looks like the artist has done a little bit of Madagascar Penguins porn, but I don't see anything for Pokemon.
>>332996295
Why would you lie on the internet?
2 hp/255 defense
0 Atk Mew Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 33-39 (22.7 - 26.8%) -- 30% chance to 4HKO
255 hp/2 defense
0 Atk Mew Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 430-507 (66 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>>332996647
I throw Hippo to try my luck with an Excadrill sweep and stealth rock from time to time
>>332996683
X works really well for me though
>Check on competitive viability of my favorite Pokemons
>All of them are in the lowest usage tiers
Where did it all go wrong?
>>332996798
255 hp/2 defense
0 Atk Mew Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 33-39 (22.7 - 26.8%) -- 30% chance to 4HKO
2 hp/255 defense
0 Atk Mew Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 430-507 (66 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
way to switch the numbers you damage controlling shitter
MY ENTIRE LIFE IS A LIE.
WOW, WHERE IS SHUCKLE? WHY ISNT SHUCKLE USED??????? I MEAN HES FUCKING BROKEN HE HAS ALMOST 300 IN BOTH DEFENSES. HES BROKEN.
>>332989105
But that stab crunch doe. Or was it bite...
>>332996892
>2 hp
>430-507 (66 - 77.8%)
>430-507
>2 hp
>>332994803
long post inc
use brain
understand what things pokemon need to have, what threats they beat, what they fear, what they can lure into a countermove, etc
here ill give you an example
dragonites running a dd setup set
>what other moves do you give it
stab is necessary, dragons a great attacking type
outrage forces you out when met with a fairy, and if you boosting you dont want to switch out
dragon rush has shitty accuracy which gives it an overall weak effective power
so dragon claw is your choice
espeed is an amazing move thats pretty compulsory on strong physical attackers with access to it since it allows you to beat the priority of other mons because +2 prio
and now you have an empty slot for coverage, which you fill depending on what you team can and cannot handle
eq can handle heatran and hits neutrally harder than anything else he has
tpunch can handle skarm and azu
fire punch can handle ice/steels that arent heatran, especially ferro and scizor
iron headlmaocan handle ice types and monofairies like sylveon
superpower handles most steels and ice types but generally puts you at a disadvantage after using it
et cetera
consider what youd switch to and how well they can fair against the mon in question after taking a hit or whatever on the switch, but also how well the mon in question, in this case dragonite, can handle the checks offensive options and whether or not theyd NEED to switch out in order to avoid being immediately killed
>what item do you give it
setup sweepers fear brns, par and priority
but lefties can help it regain multiscale after a safe switch in
so probably lum, lefties or yache if you desire to bait in things like mamo/weavile and dumpster them with stab+espeed
>what evs do you invest in
well its a physical sweeper so probably max attack
for speed, you can either dump all 252 or you can tune it specifically to outspeed certain things with one dragon dance
>>332996869
People arent created equal.
Why should Pokemon?
>>332996841
>I throw Hippo to try my luck with an Excadrill sweep and stealth rock from time to time
Sounds like you're just saying, "Fuck it" instead of trying to make a team that works well together and can account for multiple situations.
>>332996489
Zard Y has better wallbreaking potential, But Zard X has a lot more differing sets.
>>332996479
Not very good.
>double weather in what I'm guessing is 6th gen
>hippo over t-tar
>no taunt
>no real wall
Focus on a pure sand core or don't use weather at all.
Sorry Anon, I believe in you.
>>332996631
Ice punch and Crunch are fine on it silly.
Its just not the best for setting rain up
>>332996937
Megas punch holes through it, and ferrothorn is just a better wall, with a better typing and better moves.
>>332996981
Is there a problem?
>>332996986
lel
>>332997067
I liked Excadrill's damage, so I just put him in since he has Sand Rush. I'm open to suggestions though
>>332997096
Hippo is more of a wall/stealth rock user. I'm willing to make some changes though, except for Charizard X, Latios and Azumarill which work well
>>332991479
Rock, Grass, or Ice, which is the worst type?
I guess poison gets an honorable mention as well in terms of offensive power
>>332990037
Despite a shitload of RNG bullshit paving the way for him to get all set up Colosseums final battle with him was terrifying. Still pissed at that five turn sleep and confusion self-hits that prevented me from taking out that Skill Swap Slowking though.
>>332997096
>Ice punch and Crunch are fine on it silly.
thanks. then i will keep rolling with it
Help me
Dusknoir @ Choice Band
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 176 HP / 252 Atk / 80 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Trick
- Shadow Sneak
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
Or should I use Dusclops? WHat do I lose?
>>332997481
In general? Grass.
Defensively? Ice.
Offensively? Poison
Funny enough, Ice is one of the best offensive typings, as is Rock. In a similar manner, Poison is a great defensive typing.
Grass in general, though, has almost no redeeming qualities.
>>332997416
Yeah I wouldn't change those, I personally would use Defogging Latias.
I say add some OU wall, maybe Skarm or Ferro, they help WORLBS BRABBEST BIRB spam but you'll have to be careful of Magnezone.
Lando T works on like every team, thats a good one.
>>332994456
All video games are for kids, if you're an adult that plays with toys you've taken wrong turns in life. Prove me wrong
>>332997416
>I liked Excadrill's damage, so I just put him in since he has Sand Rush. I'm open to suggestions though
Charizard X should ALREADY be your hard hitter via dragon dance.
Latios provides great special attack coverage, and Azumarill just works well as a revenge killer.
What you need is a set up + tank, I would suggest something like Ferrothorn, or even Landorus-T
A taunt/pivot would work well in your favor as well. Something like Gliscor who can taunt, U-turn, Knock off, general utility.
I haven't been on Smogon for a while, is their meta still arbitrary "muh ladder" based bullshit?
Whatever, singles meta sucks anyway, Pokemon has been better as a doubles game for two gens now.
>>332997932
>Mega Mom + Protect: The Meta.
>Good.
????
>>332997676
grass types usually do have access to cool moves like leech seed and sleep powder though
>>332997932
doubles isn't fun in 6th gen
are you a masochist?
you enjoy fighting mega mom and mega gengar?
>>332997651
The choice items are generally super-overrated. Smogon likes to put them on a pedastal, but especially for utility types like Ghost, they generally are just not good enough.
I'd recommend Life Orb, if you want to have it be a sweeper. If you want it to be utility (which is what I'd recommend), then either Lum Berry or Focus Band.
>>332997793
I don't think rockstar intended for children to play grand theft auto.
So /v/, Singles or Doubles?
>>332997651
If you use dusclops you lose the ability to attack and become a wall
If you want a choice band user go for something else
>>332998282
Singles in BW and XY
Doubles in BW, fuck XY doubles
>>332997676
To this day there STILL hasn't been a grass E4 member. It boggles my mind they can reuse dragon and ghost so much but never use grass
>>332997681
Venusaur is a staller with Toxic and Giga Drain/Leech Seed, how does that fare in the current meta? It has saved my ass for some neat comebacks from time to time. I'll change Hippo for a better wall and switch Excadrill for something else
>>332997915
I guess Excadrill was a bit overboard with Charizard X and Azumarill already on the team. This might be a stupid question but how important is a taunt user? Is it an absolute must? I'd rather just switch into a hard hitter and go for the KO
>>332998282
Doubles.
More fun, less stale, more strategic. Enables interesting strategies. Generally better overall.
AW SHIT LOOK WHO IT IS
>>332998374
>Playing BW meta
>At all
No thanks. Post Mence/Chomp ban in D/P/PT was and always will be the absolute meta.
Team Preview was a MISTAKE.
>>332997481
Ice would be a good type if its Pokemon reflected its matchup spread more. It hits super effectively on a bunch of useful shit but defensively only resists itself and is weak to common attacking types. So basically more Weavile, less Avalugg. As it stands it's just better to slap Ice moves on some other type of mon for coverage and leave the shitty Ice type monsters themselves on the bench.
Grass hits a couple useful types for SE damage but is seemingly resisted by half the fucking types in the game. Also has five weaknesses, of which at least two are pretty popular. Good Grass types tend to be good *despite* their typing, and Grass types kinda need trickery to get by. At least they got immunity to status moves of the same type now.
Rock is a great offensive type, a bit less so on the defensive side but it's not really fit to be in a discussion with the other two types
Poison still needs help, being good against Fairy barely helps when Steel fits that role already well enough. Defensively they'd be great if they didn't have that Ground weakness, for now it's just "okay".
>>332997651
dont use dusknoir
its just one of those things that isnt good at anything no matter what you do with it
dusclops can be good as a utility wall with eviolite thoughalso its shiny color is way better
