>keep telling friends to play undertale
>even spoonfeed them a mega link
>they never play it
>weeks later they talk about watching dan/phil play instead of playing it themselves
Why don't people play video games anymore?
>>332952759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4VgLfqzPxw
>>332952759
Because it's crap.
>>332953042
It's not just Undertale they do this for and you know it. People will refuse to play any game just because they can watch people do it on Youtube instead. Why?
Because you have shit taste and your friends would rather be awful let's play viewers than just another undertale spewing meme lord like yourself.
I could understand asking why someone wouldn't play Dark Souls or SFV since they actually have gameplay but there's no reason to actually play Undertale.
>shoving a game in their face
>undertale of all games
you fucked up op and you know it.
>>332953231
>I have never played Undertale.
>>332953132
not everyone is good enough at videogames to play a game to its end on their own you dumb cunt
>>332953132
Because Undertale is not fun to play. Show them a good game and they'll feel like playing it. Show them Homestuck fanfic and they'll watch out of curiosity at best.
>>332953132
I don't know, I give zero shit about people, I just understand why they wouldn't want to play Undertale.
>>332953428
then you don't have the right to see the end
Watching is actually the ideal way to experience Undertale. You can pick up all the memes necessary for communication on the internet and move on to the next FOTM.
>>332953330
You're right anon, everyone who talks about how great Undertale is talks about its fantastic gameplay.
>>332953498
You haven't given a good reason why they wouldn't want to play Undertale.
>I give zero shit about people
Edgelord.
>>332953132
sounds like they are lonely anon, maybe you should play the games with them via a call or sumtin
>>332953438
>tfw you never got into Homestuck because the first chapter was boring
Did I dodge a bullet?
Also Problem Slueth was my jam
>>332953616
>right
Top fucking kek, that's not up to you to decide bub.
>>332952759
wow I wonder
>>332953651
>flavor of the month
>FOR EIGHT MONTHS NOW
Do you know the definition of the words you speak? No.
>>332953306
/thread
i liked undertale but shoving a game with a cancer fanbase is just wrong
Because undertale isn't that fun
Normal and pacifist runs are too easy
Genocide is only good for 2 fights
The story is either "the monsters dindu nuffin", "self defense is bad", or "kill everyone cause a flower talked to you"
>>332953743
Yeah.
>>332953820
It died two months ago.
Undertale's a pretty fun game tbqh
>>332953428
It's called practicing until you get better. These people don't even TRY.
>>332953943
>It died because I said it did.
LOL.
It's only been selling more and more.
>everyone says how great Undertale is
>purchase it
>mfw after playing it
I legitimately dislike this game and I feel very confused as to how anyone could possibly enjoy it.
>>332953707
I gave you one, it's bad, it's not worth ten bucks or whatever it costs, it's not worth the line in my library it takes up.
>edgelord
Yeah because giving a shit about what other people do in their free time is more mature than enjoying your own free time meemster.
>>332954129
>I have shit taste: the post
>>332952759
>Shoving Undertale into your friends faces
>Admiting to doing the shit people shit on your fandom for
>>332954129
Tell me why you dislike it. Speaking so vaguely looks like shitposting.
>>332954129
because the grapghics are so shit gender of the mc could be anything so its considered "progressive"
>Try to get my friends to play a game/watch an anime I think they'd like
>They won't because some bullshit reason like internet drama or ewww it has a titty don't you know I'm super mature
>They keep bitching about how they're bored and can't find a game to play or anime to watch
>Give up because clearly this isn't going to happen and I'm not gonna shove it down their throats
>Months later
>Suddenly they are playing/watching it
>They're the biggest fan ever now and try to act like they've always cared
Nigger it took you almost a full year to start watching and reading Jojo
Yes, I am aware of all the cool shit that happens, I read it YEARS AGO
FUCK
>>332954127
Surely you got some data to back that claim, as discussion, if you can call it that, died completely everywhere.
>>332954012
why would people practice for a form of entertainment? no one practices for watching TV
>>332953042
>>332953438
>>332953498
>People don't want to play the game because it's shit
>Instead they prefer to spend their time watching someone else play the same game they think is shit when they could be doing something else
I know that you retards like to shitpost about Undertale in any given chance but come on now, this let's play ''fad'' is as cancerous as ever.
@332952759
While you have a good cause of wanting to get them to play video games again, Undertale is probably too intense for them
How about starting them off with something simpler, like some of those games Pewds plays?
>>332954260
http://steamspy.com/app/391540
>>332954129
I like the endings but the game is largely forgettable outside of them.
>>332954191
>I have shit taste but think that it is other peoples tastes that are shit: the post.
>>332954264
BECAUSE A VIDEO GAME IS NOT TELEVISION DIPSHIT.
>>332952759
>Several years ago, friends were talking about Final Fantasy 7 being the greatest shit
>"Oh! I love the game! Did you played it?'
>"Hahaha, no Anon! I never played the game! I just love the Characters!"
>"What about i get it for you on emulators?"
>"Noooooooooo! I hate the gameplay style! Sephiroth and Cloud are so awesome!"
>This shit also happens for Touhou and some other games
>One of said friend is doing the very same thing to Undertale right now, even through we never talked about it until nigga brought it up.
>"No way! I saw it on youtube! Why would i play it?"
>>332954365
>I hate undertale but haven't even played and I still have shit taste: the post
>>332952886
What a waste of decent animation.
I know it's tired to say PDP is unfunny, but god damn, why do people watch it?
Undertale Plotholes:
>Why does Sans value a promise from someone he never met over the life of his own brother?
Even if the promise was to keep the player safe, he shouldn't keep holding himself from attacking if it results in his brother dying. Makes his condemnation of dirty brother killer feel hollow if he's not going to lift a finger to save him or avenge hi
>Why didn't Toriel intervene against Asgore sooner if all it took was her presence to break his resolve?
She only intervenes with the last kid and is too late when she does? Lazy writing.
>Why does Napstablook avoid the player in the genocide route?
He's literally invincible and mocks you if you try to kill him. He has nothing to be afraid of.
>Why can't Mettaton Neo attack?
Even a *Mettaton is charging his attack! would've worked but why is he determined to do nothing?
>How come Flowey says he can't use the souls in subsequent neutral runs yet he clearly uses them in the Pacifist ending?
After the neutral ending, you can't fight Omega Flowey again because he states "the souls would just rebel again." In fact, the souls serve as checkpoints in his fight since they retain memory of you calling out to them even if you die. So how come Flowey was able to use them in the pacifist ending to restrain (he's using a vine from his Omega form to do so) everyone? Shouldn't they have rebelled because they remember?
>How does the player leave the barrier in the neutral ending?
There is no displacement involved after the Flowey fight, replaying the neutral ending has you walk into the room you meet him in after his fight.
>Asgore being completely oblivious to everything in the genocide run despite Undyne warning you he would be ready as well as Alphys and Mettaton being in position to alert him at any time.
It's not that he isn't able to recognize the player, it's just that he's so unprepared even when Flowey is literally telling him what he needs to know.
Did I get them all?
>>332954193
>being suprised
The Undertale fandom is quite possible literally the least self-award fandom on the internet. Maybe the Ponyfuckers or the FN@Faggots have more total cancer, but I think even they realize not to shove their poo into everyone elses face 24/7.
And I say that as somebody who liked Undertale.
![Johny's Stand [Do the Monkey].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yZmBMZU.jpg "Johny's Stand [Do the Monkey].jpg")
>>332954231
Wait.
Someone didn't watch Jojo, for what reason?
There's nothing wrong with it in my eyes and I would recommend it to everyone.
>>332954335
Are you kidding me, it barely changed.
>>332954141
>It's bad because it's bad.
Shut the fuck up if you have nothing to say. You have provided no evidence that you actually played it.
>>332954469
>I know stuff about a person I have never met before: the post
>>332954327
The game is a turd, get over it. If it wasn't bullet hell for babies maybe people would feel like playing it themselves.
>>332954330
Pewds did play Undertale though. He uploaded all the videos at once so that people wouldn't try and influence how he played it, which is one of the smartest things I have ever seen him do.
>>332954690
Welcome to 4chan.
>>332954231
Should I watch it or read it first?
>>332952759
Because vidya is hard and I am not the 13ms reaction kid I used to be
So I prefer to watch a 13ms reaction time player that has the patience to git gud unlike meCause I have nowhere else to go anwyays
>>332954564
My friend has turned into a huge social justice faggot over the last couple years and wouldn't watch or read Jojo because "look at that artstyle, it's making fun of gay people"
I know, I know
>>332953943
>>332954260
>Discussion about the game ''died'' after 8 months
>Somehow this proves that it was flavor of the month
How stupid can someone get?The vast majority of games don't get discussed for more than 2 or 3 months on /v/, even the ones that the board loves, so even if you're right about the hype dying out the game would still not be just flavor of the month.
>>332954801
Watch up to the end of part 3, then either keep up with the airing part 4 anime or start reading the manga if you don't want to wait. The anime is pretty much a perfect adaptation.
>>332954807
Modern video games aren't hard, buddy. Especially not memetale.
>>332954801
Either way it's cool as hell. Do whatever you like more.
Anime has stylish as hell animation and the sickest fight scenes.
>>332954839
sounds like you need better friends anon.
>>332953042
Lets plays are cancer you fag enabler
>>332954839
Ex-fucking-cuse me.
Sociology is a hell of a drug.
>>332954728
I don't give a shit retarded. I was just talking about how failed the logic of people watching the entire gameplay of a game they don't like is.
Go get your (You)s out of someone else, shitposter.
There's literally nothing wrong with either Lets Plays or Undertale
>>332952886
That's the worst Sans voice I've ever heard.
>>332954958
You clearly never played the undyne battle, faggot.
Needs 13 ms reaction times.
>>332952759
Shit game.
>>332955094
I love how everyone including Pewdiepie gives Papyrus the exact same voice with the accent though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z8mKkQ16rE
>>332954625
Well you provided no evidence it's good despite claiming, I got Mettaton ending (wa meant to get Papyrus but Fagbot somehow survived in last second), realized it's end because in True Pacifist you play as some Frisk while in Genocide you play as Chara both NOT allowing freedom of choice unless you want just half of the game (neutral). So I finished it hour and half, refunded it and never looked back.
>Recommend a game to aSkype group
>They'd rather just talk about Fire Emblem and idolshit games
>One person won't play anything that doesn't have a lesbian character in it
>>332954193
>>332954508
>Recommending a game you like is bad
I don't even like Undertale but how salty can someone be?
>>332955208
Recommending =/= "Play it please play it have you played it yet it's the best game ever I promise"
>>332955179
LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF
Sometimes I just don't feel like playing a game, and some games I'd rather watch than play. I like playing dark souls, and DayZ, but sometimes I'd rather watch lobos or Goldglove play them.
>>332954801
Both
>>332955179
thanks for confirming you never played the game
>>332954219
I didn't find the gameplay particularly interesting. Felt gimmicky. The bullet hell was an interesting touch, I suppose, but that's about the only compliment I can give it.
The graphics... atrocious. This goes without saying, though. I realize it's indie pixelshit by one guy but it's a whole new level of terrible. Still, graphics aren't everything. I'd prefer a great game with shitty graphics over a shitty game with great graphics. Unfortunately, since I don't like the gameplay....
The story/characters. Fucking cringe inducing. I actually groaned irl when the Bone Brothers started talking. I don't find it quirky or cute or engaging or "comfy" or whatever positive adjective you want to use -- I find it almost unbearable.
Finally, the music: even the biggest hater of the game seems to love it. But I didn't hear a single track that I enjoyed. In fact, it all felt very forgettable, like some cheap music from a throwaway arcade game.
It was a wasted $10, but oh well.
>>332955269
>People get excited talking about things they like
How would have thought
>>332955382
>I realize it's indie pixelshit by one guy
Have you looked at Cave Story?
There's no excuse.
>>332954874
Flavor isn't defined by how long a game is discussed, but rather how irrelevant it is after hype dies. Even with all the Homestuck spam, even with all the press bias, even with people getting hooked by remixes, no one gives a shit anymore. Not even for easy (You)s.
>>332955382
>pixelshit
Sigh...
>>332955453
Who*
>>332955175
A lot of people make Sans sound like Cr1tikal.
>>332955374
I already said I did, just because you're too dense to get the story won't make your delusions true.
>>332955530
>if I close my eyes and pretend nobody gives a shit, that means it's true!
>>332954564
it looks like a gay meme anime desu. imma watch it some day bc i heard its fun but the art style looks like that weird genre of japanese manly man comedy that ill never understand.
>>332955089
Gameplay is secondary to Undertale, people are watching the plot.
>>332955382
Most people who like it either enjoy the story/characters or the music. Sounds like neither connected with you.
>>332955530
Man, I don't give a shit about Undertale but you're simply wrong. I mean, It would be good if you were right but sadly that isn't the case.
>>332954470
Scare PDP isn't that bad.
I only watch it because my friend has YouTube Red I can bum off of him
>>332955179
The whole point of the game is that you are the one who decided to do these things. You don't "play as" Chara, you ARE Chara. In every playthrough. If you don't understand this, you did not understand the game.
I love Undertalepls don't bully
>>332955646
>if I close my eyes and pretend somebody gives a shit, that means it's true!
http://pastebin.com/f31AJx4J
>>332955530
Undertale still gets near daily /v/ threads, and has a bigger YouTube presence then even recently released indieshit like Stardew Valley
>>332955668
I hope you feel very bad about having made this post when you finally watch it.
>>332953132
Because people want to watch something play like a retard on a stream or some shit.
>>332955269
Shut up faggot
I know a kraut who does this with everything he plays/watches, but just cause he did it with Witcher 3 it's okay.
Meanwhile I just namedrop Undermeme and give a link to pirated copy and suddenly I'm the cancer killing video games.
Undertale is a game you ain't likely to enjoy unless you've messed around with 8/16bit era gaming and emulators. Having to play through pacifist twice, grinding on genocide, these aren't fun tasks unless you are familiar with the JRPG tropes they are playing on. And toddlers seem more into lets-plays than retro gaming/history, so being spoon-fed by an extrovert idiot will usually be more appealing to them, because otherwise they lack context.
Undertale is a game you ain't likely to enjoy unless you've messed around with 8/16bit era gaming and emulators. Having to play through pacifist twice, grinding on genocide, these aren't fun tasks unless you are familiar with the JRPG tropes they are playing on. And toddlers seem more into lets-plays than retro gaming/history, so being spoon-fed by an extrovert idiot will usually be more appealing to them, because otherwise they lack context.
>>332955116
I've beaten it multiple times. The first time, I had to memorize what was coming next in order to cope with the speed. Still didn't take me that long.
>>332955208
>>keep telling friends to play undertale
>>even spoonfeed them a mega link
Yep, totally doesn't sound obnoxious at all with how he did it. You tell them once tell them how it plays, hell show some gameplay. If they don't take to it, you leave them alone. You especially don't make a thread about on 4chan.
>>332955771
>NO U
What a child. Hiding your posts now.
>>332955515
Yeah there is. Some people just can't draw, and that's totally excusable if the gameplay is good.
Cave Story looks good AND has good gameplay. That's a plus.
And there's also the fact that it's free.
>>332955531
It's low-pixel graphics and it looks like shit. Therefore, pixelshit.
Take from my opinion what you will, but responding in such an asinine fashion just makes you look stupid. Put some thought into it next time, maybe come up with a counter argument as to why it isn't "pixelshit," or what justifies the use of pixelshit besides what I've already mentioned (good gameplay to make up for it).
>>332955673
The strongest point of the game is how many branches its story has. The story by itself is garbage, but playing and seeing how your decisions affect everything is cool, and this is entirely lost if you watch someone else play.
>>332952759
Sounds like your friends are good people. tumblrfail is shit.
>>332955913
Witcher 3 fags are just as cancerous, but they don't shove it in your face to the same extentpartially because they assume you've already played it but still
>>332952759
>told them about it
>"ehh I'm still playing xenoblade"
>"soon"
>"its on my backlog"
>2 weeks after release
>they all absolutely love it
>they make content, art, models and minigames based off of it
its a good feeling
I'm hyped as shit for Doko Roko and I'm terrified that it'll become the next meme game and everyone will justifiably despise any discussion of it because of how garbage the fanbase becomes
I always wondered
why is there a TON of playthroughs/let's plays of undertale where people enjoy the game but none of people disliking it?
>>332955760
>if you don't have same opinion it's t2deep4u
Kek, nope, you either go genocide, pacifist or the game gets cut in half to punish you for choosing who lives and dies instead of (not)killing everyone, it's simply bad.
>>332955185
What game doesn't have female characters?
Maybe some weird Japanese one from the 1990s, but pretty much everything released today hits at least a few quotas.
>>332954839
>Jojo
>making fun of gay people
Jojo is like a celebration of everything fabulous and an assertion that gayness is stylish
Chara is a cute girl!
>>332955760
>You don't "play as" Chara, you ARE Chara. In every playthrough. If you don't understand this, you did not understand the game.
The game is really inconsistent with its audience surrogate. So I'm the human until the true pacifist ending where it's actually Frisk and I'm the fallen human named at the start? Okay, but then the genocide ending has Chara become a different person and takes Frisk's soul? ??
>>332956094
Because the people who dislike it are bitter children on /v/ with no friends, so nobody would watch their let's plays.
>>332955941
Well I am 30, so I am not a 20 year old like you probably are.
>>332953132
And it's not just with video games and you know it. People sometimes just aren't interesting in something at a given time. It's the same with when you can't get into a video game but go back and try again loving it.
>>332955964
Very mature of you. What's your prefered pronoun, by the way?
>>332956107
Neutral's about 4 hours, and pacifist just adds an hour, maybe an hour and a half on top if it. hardly cut in half.
regardless the game intended to be replayed multiple times to achieve all the endings. its actually a plot point
>>332956094
gee I wonder why
>fuck man I hate this game so goddamn much
>I KNOW, I'LL COMMIT TO AN ENTIRE LP OF IT
>EVEN THOUGH THE ENTIRE AUTISTIC FANBASE WILL FLOOD THE COMMENTS FOR MONTHS TELLING ME I HAVE SHIT TASTE
>>332956051
>buy it for best friend
>we meet up
>he starts playing it
>skips through text
>doesn't talk to NPCs
>disinterested from the start, doesn't bother to experiment
>complains why the game doesn't explain how to beat undyne
>>332956094
Because that would be the channel's death if anyone said it was bad.
So people mostly do it in reviews and critics of the game.
Then again I've only ever seen 3 people critical of it.
>>332956139
And that's why Hisoka is one of the best characters.
>>332954492
1. Probably became lazy as shit when he couldn't get back to wherever he wanted to when he mentions "I gave up trying to go back a long time ago"
In the ending where you kill almost everyone he mentions something along the lines of him not taking action resulted in most of his friends dying.
His laziness is his greatest flaw.
2.Toriel was stupid as fuck for not doing anything.
Chooses not to support the king so she just leaves instead of doing what she suggested that Asgore does to fix everything. Even worse because she might of opted not to do it which resulted in people dying anyway and not suffering. Literally just as bad as asgore.
3. Napstablook don't want no trouble despite being invincible
4. Mettaton Neo is supposed to be unrewarding to go with the fact that you're not supposed to do the genocide route.
That design choice was idiotic though.
>lets make the content tedious and unrewarding so they won't want to do it!
>lets put the hardest boss at the end as well so they'll do it anyway.
could of had some more killer boss battles on that side than just undyne and sans.
5.Probably has better control over the souls thanks to the monster souls.
6. That never made sense to me
7. Asgore is fucking retarded.
That scenario was wasted potential because that could of been another really good boss battle since he would of had 6 souls and a monster soul. would of been meaningful as well because it would be a fight for you to get the monster soul + 6 souls to actually have the power to destroy a worldlevel 20 should not be the equivalent of a godand for asgore to be fighting for the last human soul he needs to free the underground.
I'm gonna chalk that one up to toby being lazy.
>>332955956
>You especially don't make a thread about on 4chan.
Do you even know how to read?He just gave Undertale as example to complain about Let's play.
Also, some people are really lazy when it comes to searching for things and sometimes they need a little push. I for example, don't normally check out games if the person recommending it to me isn't enthusiastic or insistent about it.
>>332956094
Because most people who actually play it tend to feel at worst that it's boring. The extreme hatred is a contrarian reaction to it's popularity.
>>332956396
happened with my brother. sucks to suck.
its just different taste.
>>332955864
i believe it to be good, ive been told ill like it by a friend who knows me really well, but it looks really weird. id stay away from it if it wasnt for him
>>332952759
>>even spoonfeed them a mega link
Can you spoonfeed it to me?
>>332954231
Have you tried to give people comics?
>friend talking about this or that thing in the latest Batman
>they ask me about it since they know I read comics
>explain why it's cool
>make suggestions on what to read
>no one ever reads it
Meet someone who reads comics and he was an insufferable nerd who only read mature stuff for mature people like indie books and shat on all superheroes, regardless of what they were.
I give up.
>>332956290
>it gets good after five replays
>>332956527
Then I hope it teaches you that judging on appearances is rarely a good idea, unless you're judging whether the molten lava coming towards you is dangerous.
How did the "undertale has no gameplay" meme ever come about, anyway? It confuses me more than the "undertale is full of memes" meme. I can understand how the original arguments came about for Katawa Shoujo and Gone Home, but this is just straight up an RPG. Does Paper Mario TTYD not have gameplay anymore too just because it has interesting characters compared to Sticker Star?
The problem with Undertale is that the good ending feels less like a reward and more like just a massive blowjob for not being a psycho. There's no incentive to actually do anything bad in this game because actual combat is boring, you only have one basic form of attack, and there's no loot or anything. Monsters don't really get tougher (except Undyne and Sans at the very end) either. There's also no real challenge to being good, the closest you get is Flowey at the very end who says he'll kill everyone you love if you don't kill him, but in the end it doesn't mean much because all he does is reset you at your last save point if you spare him. Because there's no real temptation to do wrong, doing good feels less rewarding and more like a passive exercise than an active one.
Also, if you spare anyone but make no friends you don't get the true pacifist ending. That makes absolutely no sense to me, even if you're a complete loner in the end of the day you're still a pacifist, why would that make a difference.
>>332956586
Don't have a Mega link but check out Kickass Torrents. Can vouch for that.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1so68ou
>unfortunately for as fun as the combat system can be, a lot of fights essentially are just on a timeline and in the instance of some of the boss fights the game flat out is manipulating you to think what you are doing matters when ultimately there is no fail state, removing all tension or stakes put into that moment once the realization sets in
>part of the reason people even get an impact seeing a character die is because they know it means their run is ruined for doing it, it's not necessarily because they didn't want to see the spaghetti joke man die.
>the visuals here and there can actually look really nice but it's whenever an outside artist had offered a hand, most graphics in game being rough unpolished looking trash. the black and white look for battles at least masks this slightly but ultimately the game still looks like some weird fangame, i'd compare it to something like MUGEN where you are clashing a billion art styles together into a huge mess. a great example of this is comparing the rabbit shopkeeper or introduction art to cat who works at the burger place.
>for most people the references and lifted moments from other games wouldn't be as much of a concern since they're probably unfamiliar with most but i personally could not stop being irked from it, the final battles in the game very clearly taking from the end battles from mother games to the point that some lines are almost exactly copied from the giygas battle, the name "undertale" being a spin of "cave story" and the plot starting out the exact same way with a silent protagonist falling down into a cave with no memory and the goat characters looking just like the mimigas, jamming in a reference to the final fantasy VI opera, i'd say more than 50% of this game is purely reworking the material from other games into itself.Underfucks can't defend this
>>332956139
>Jojo is like a celebration of everything fabulous and an assertion that gayness is stylish
Japan loves fabulous in all forms.
>>332954564
jojo is a shitty meme anime
>>332956750
Because le power of friendship
>>332956750
Answer me this: How is a massive blowjob not a reward?
>>332956590
>game gets good after you finish it
I don't think so famslice
>>332954801
Read the manga. The answer is ALWAYS read the manga.
>>332956396
Maybe if the writing wasn't appaling
>>332956590
Nah it stays about the same after five replays, if it's not interested two hours in it probably won't be interesting eight hours in.
The point was more that complaining about the game offering extra content for a few endings misses the point that the game's built around you actively searching for all the endings.
>>332956689
>meme
that's all it is really, just something that spread around and now it's just there
in some ways Undertale is very similar to Metal Gear Rising Revengeance, including the "flat" gameplay and cool bossfights with neat music
but it's OK when platinum does it
>>332956907
It's better than One Punch Man.
Christ, that fanbase.
>>332956051
It's always nintendo autists who make fanstuff of Undertale
So, it took me 2 hours to beat Undyne on genocide, I've been fighting Sans for about an hour and barely got to the second phase. Shoud I just give up?
Is there any greater cancer to have befallen videogames than Undertale and FnaF?
One small critique: Why is our hero beholding to a more rigid moral code than the monsters that are attacking him? Why is he less of an innocent than a monster that initiates the attack and will kill him if he looses in battle? Because non will flee on their own or spare him, he is the bigger monster for not doing the same?
Neither pacifist nor genocide runs make much logical sense.
>>332956934
Because there was no real challenge to it. If the pacifist route was actually harder and forced the player to make sacrifices then the ending would feel like an actual reward, instead of just jerking the player off. There's no temptation to do evil
>>332957187
because he's a time god
>>332956750
Exactly my thoughts. It feels very clumsy that they had a monster like Flowey who was presented a genuine problem to the pacifist ideals that the game was preaching: Someone literally incapable of reforming their ways. Someone capable and has committed atrocities at their own whims and is immune to mercy. Yet, the pacifist ending brings in Asriel as a replacement of him (since doing the Omega fight twice would be dissapointing) who is the "true" villain, despite not appearing in the story until the last area. It just feels like Asriel was made as a way to answer for the sins of the Flowey character, despite Flowey being a more interesting take on how unflinching pacifism is bad. The fact that Asriel has to say that pacifism against monsters like he was isn't the right thing to do is laughably hypocritical since this pacifism is what allowed him to atone for his mistakes.
undertale is basically a meme game you can watch instead of play anyway. no point in even pirating it
>>332956689
Just shitposters trying to push an idea because it's the "easiest" thing to criticize. People praise the story more often than the gameplay so people target the gameplay and say "nobody ever praises the gameplay, must be bad!" No, it's just that the story is that good.
http://jcw87.github.io/c2-sans-fight/
Can you fags defeat him?
>>332957353
This, I pirated it and I feel ripped off. The gameplay was such boring shit I gave up 10 minutes into it to play DonDonPachi instead. Totally worth it.
>>332957176
when were you born?
>>332957314
im guessing that's "The Point™", that nobodys truly irredeemable and that even the worst people are products of their circumstances
i mean, i disagree with that, but i think thats what they were going for
>>332957104
ikr
>>332957176
the unstoppable force of /v/ spreading towards more and more children every single day whom care more about shitty buzzword discussion and not videogames
>>332957353
yeah, like every game. I don't get why people complain about "movie games" when you can basically watch every game on youtube, ever, and have the same enjoyment. Metal gear rising: R. Starcraft. gaming is a meme and needs to dissapear.
>>332957138
It's completely up to you. Just remember that you don't HAVE to do it. But if you keep trying and remember how each attack goes, you will gradually improve. It's all about memory and reflexes.
>>332956750
>Also, if you spare anyone but make no friends you don't get the true pacifist ending. That makes absolutely no sense to me, even if you're a complete loner in the end of the day you're still a pacifist, why would that make a difference.
Shit, I never even thought about this.
>>332956750
This was also one of my main problems with Undertale. People praise it for being a deconstruction of the use of violence in video games and also for being different than everything else because it gives you the choice to not kill anyone. But here's the catch, only reason people tend to kill everything in video games is because they are rewarded by doing so, they don't do it because they are psychos, so by making rewarding to be a pacifist and unrewarding for being a psycho, it's obvious that everyone will want to play the pacifist option, it's simply because it rewards you more than the other one.
At the end of the day, the message and idea is week because it's pretty much forced on you, it isn't subtle, it isn't ambiguous, it isn't a difficult decision and it isn't something that makes you think. It's just a pat in the back for doing what was pretty much the obvious decision since the fucking trailer of the game.I also think that Genocide route is the best one because it offers a much more unique experience
>>332956881
>a silent protagonist falling down into a cave with no memory
But that's wrong, the protagonist clearly has memories. That's the whole reason they want to leave the underground
I actually just got around to finally playing Undertale after avoiding all threads on it for several months. I'd honestly give it a 7/10. Despite the good music, characters, and story, the actual gameplay is too few and far in between so you're more just walking around and talking than doing anything else.
I'd honestly rather go play a touhou game.
>>332952759
CNN did an interview with kids on youtube e-celebs and three of them said "Why spend $60 on a video game when you can watch someone else play it online for free?"
>>332956881
i forgot how much i liked cave story's graphics
>>332957309
And the monsters seem aware of that somehow?
>"Heh, it's ok to kill him, he's just going to re-spawn, despite it negating the whole trying to get his soul back to open up the barrier thing"
Opening up the barrier for those kid murdering psychopaths is the right thing to do, because you go all Buddha Jesus on them?
Attempting to rid the world of the potential danger is the shit thing to do?
I'm not saying that those angles couldn't be toyed with, I'm just saying the way the game itself goes about it doesn't really hold up, so as a deconstruction of the genre, it doesn't really do a good job in being consistent in itself.
>>332956750
>>332957581
>Flowey needs to absorb the souls of everyone to become all powerful
>Expecting people that you didn't kill but didn't befriend to come to support you
The only problem with that storywise is that you don't have to befriend literally every monster. But then that would of been even more tedious than the core portion on genocide.
>>332957970
We brought them up well.
>>332954231
>Hey man you should watch JoJo
>It doesn't look very good
8 months later, JoJo becomes mainstream
>Bruh Joseph is the best character
pls end it
I'm glad he's the least loyal and most senile out of the JoJos
>>332958006
Arguably they all have good reasons for it (breaking the barrier), but I agree I wish the angle of "maybe killing this guy is a good thing" could have been played with more.
>>332956881
Only two fights lack a fail state
>Papyrus - point being he is incapable of murder
>Asriel - point being that being able to be killed in the fight would kill the hype
Only two fights have some difficulty reduction
>Toriel - Is reluctant to fight you
>Flowey - same reason as Asriel
People actually like papyrus as a character you know? Being very reductive of his character archetype doesn't make this bad.
The art is a problem, who's importance will vary person to person.
I've played those games ages before I've played Undertale and I think he making a mountain of plagiarism out of a molehill of homages. We all know this guy probably lurks /v/ and he most likely lifted this argument from that retarded "Undertale is plagiarism" image + copypasta.
Gameplay was pretty good but I didn't know writing could hurt a game till I played this. Also, lacking content and questionable designs, like having the best bosses in the genocide route in a game where killing is wrong
Show them a game they will like, not one you like
>>332957187
It's noted that some of the monsters are merely using their "attacks" as a form of communication which is normal for them.
Quite a few of the monsters don't even know that you're human, hence why they respond in a way that is normal to monsters but dangerous to humans.
There are some that do outright try to kill you because you're human and that's to get the soul so they can free the underground. Standard life of one vs life of many situation.
There is a neutral run as well. you still end up leaving the underground, you're not really berated for your actions, and sans even mentions that he understands if you act in self defense. It's just not the best ending because there's an ending that helps everyone.
>>332958312
I personally thought Undertale is a very good-looking game visually. Games with ugly pixel graphics exist, UT is not one of 'em.
>>332957970
Yeah, they're raised on F2P games and stuff like Minecraft.
The market for huge 60 dollars AAA games that are largely linear isn't going to exist forever, and we're already seeing that happen.
Undertale is a fun game with fun characters
>>332957309
Undertale's binary morality is not even consistent within it's own world. You're expected to force a child to relive the trauma of dying over and over again for the sake that his enemies will be free. The one time the player is unable to spare someone (Asgore) their violence against him is justified until his fate is literally taken out of their hands. Some of the other fallen children have been implied to have killed monsters (the ballerina dress and the cowboy hat kids) and have suffered ignominious deaths, despite being unable to rewind time to seek a better solution. Sans is willing to let almost the entire underground die despite being in a position to stop it. Toriel let 7 kids through her house despite knowing her husband would kill them. The player being this paragon of moral righteousness is a contrivance.
>>332958465
Also need to add that other monsters do realize you're a human but don't really have intentions to kill you either. The way they communicate is just harmful to people.
Lesser dog, Temmie, Aaron, Woshua, and Shyren are some notable ones.
>>332958314
Undertale never tells you that your decision is wrong. It tells you that your decision is your own, and that you must live with how people react to your decision.
>>332958631
I don't understand your point. You seem to be criticizing the fact that the other characters are morally wrong to varying degrees and then asking why the game expects you to be moral. Just because other people do wrong things doesn't mean you should kill them.
Remember when the demo hit in 2013 and everyone was talking about how this would be the game of the decade? Hell, I remember some guy made an actual painting inspired by the Undertale demo.
The fucking demo.
It absolutely amazes me how much /v/'s collective hivemind opinion can change in 2 years.
>>332958802
>killing isnt wrong
Dont cut yourself on that edge family
>>332956881
dark souls has as much of a fail state as fez
Hello anyone remember hitlerspimp?
>>332958465
>It's noted that some of the monsters are merely using their "attacks" as a form of communication which is normal for them.
And that is going to change when they are up on the surface? Begs for a spin-off focusing on human-monster relations.
>There are some that do outright try to kill you because you're human and that's to get the soul so they can free the underground.
Yet they are put on a moral pedestal in a genocide run.
>It is right to kill a guard in prison in order to escape
Standard life of one vs life of many situation.
Neutral run ending is the only one that makes a semblance of any sense.
That said, that's understandable since the game itself is both celebrating and deconstructing tropes and mechanics that make little sense to begin with.
>>332959081
That would imply fez had combat
>>332957554
It's not the point at all. The only character who actually gets any form of redemption is Alphys, but the narrative never actually condemns her to begin with. The few characters who do anything really wrong have to live with the consequences of their actions, and so do the ones who had awful things happen to them that weren't their fault: Asgore made a rash decision in a fit of grief and anger but stuck with it out of cowardice, and it cost him his relationship with his wife. The Amalgamations are never restored to their full selves and the ones that get to go home to their families are only going to one family, that of the most dominant mind in the hive (Snowdrake even mentions that he doesn't mind that his mother is sixteen other people, he's just happy to get his own mom back), while the others are just shit out of luck. Burgerpants will be Burgerpants forever. The souls of the other humans are freed, but they're still dead and no one knows what really happened to them. And then Asriel, who you make all the effort in the world to truly redeem, still has to go back to being a soulless flower. There is very little redemption in this story, but there is a lot of forgiveness, and all the things that point to Chara being a horrible person are their own efforts, not bad circumstance, or emotional turmoil sustained by weakness, or an accident. Chara is of questionable morality to begin with, and if you go through the entire long, tedious process of murdering damn near everyone in the game, then you're proving that you're beyond redemption to begin with, and Chara, being either not human at all or just a ghost controlling Frisk, has no one left alive to forgive them. That's why genocide is irreversible unless you cheat.
>>332952759
Bye Satan
>>332958990
It's less about that and more about how the game treats you for it.
>Just as bad as they tend to be
You genocidal monster! You have no soul, while we do!
>Literal Jesus
Thanks for unleashing us upon your kind, despite, you know, child murdering and stuff it's the right, rewarding thing to do.
>>332955829
Overall popularity of Undertale has slowly been declining for the last few months. It'll probably be irrelevant sometime this summer. Credit where it's due, it stayed popular longer than any other FLOTM fraud game. Remember Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons? That game was huge for 2 months and then everyone forgot about it.
>>332956024
>your decisions affect everything
>only 3 endings
KEKEST OF KEKS
>>332952759
You should probably try to get them to play a true timeless masterpiece such as Majora's Mask instead of a fraud game like Undertale that'll likely be forgotten about in a couple months.
>>332959615
There's at least 16 neutral endings.
>>332959546
does any single player game leave a lasting impact after a few months? i mean, even AAA titles like Witcher 3 don't last much longer then a few months, and then a mention at the end for GOTY.
>>332959731
nice b8 m8
>>332956987
>appaling
>>332959734
>slight difference in dialogue
>different ending
kill yourself
Never played Undertale at all, mainly avoided it.
Always thought it was a modern version of Earthbound but have avoided it due to the fandom.
Is it in anyway shape or form similar to Earthbound? Cause I fucking loved Earthbound.
>>332959734
>m-muh different dialogs in a black screen!!1
woah, no wonder why they call you autistic fanbase
>>332959734
And they're all basically the same besides the "kill all but a few people", and "kill only a few people" endings, and all they really change is the phone call at the end
>>332952759
maybe they didn't play it because their annoying-ass "friend" kept trying to shove it down their throats
don't be that kinda guy, op
recommend the game once to your friends, maybe give a brief description if they ask for it, then let them decide for themselves
>>332957414
What gives? This doesn't have the menu bones and ends right before the not-special attack.
>>332959845
>>332959873
It's closer to Mother 3 than Earthbound.
Imagine you start at Earthbound and try going to Mother 3, but overshoot it 3 times over.
There, you're at Undertale.
>>332959364
But you seem to be mistaking "redemption" with "fixing everything." Asgore can't bring those kids back and his relationship with his wife is probably beyond repair, Alphys can't turn those Amalgams back to their full self, and Asriel can't truly reverse the past and revert to his former self. But they all recognize what they did was wrong, and can move forward and try to live their lives better in the future.
>>332959869
>>332959890
>>332959912
So? It still wraps the story up in a different way. Ergo, it's an ending.
>>332959873
It's got entertaining writing like Earthbound, but the gameplay and what it's going for with the story are both completely different. Hard to say if you'll like it or not, but it's free to at least try.
>>332959869
>>332959890
>>332959912
>different dialogue over a slide show
wow this "fallout" game is shit, it only has one ending
>>332958802
But it doesn't. When I beat the genocide route I'm not left alone underground having screwed myself out of ever escaping the underground for the sake of min-maxing, which would be the logical conclusion of what I just did. Instead, I'm presented with the ooga booga ghost of my own RPG desires that is simultaneously its own character setting the events of the story into motion appearing out of nowhere to destroy the world.
At the end of a neutral route the human souls mysteriously disappear after defeating Flowey instead of helping you break the barrier so that you can leave the underground as well, and there's no reason for that either. The consequences of your actions are largely narrative asspulls to push a message.
>>332959227
what's combat have to do with a fail state? you fail combat in dark souls or undertale and you just try again from a few moments ago, you fall off a ledge in fez and you just try again from a few moments ago.
very few games actually have fail states, only shit like police quest or xcom can a game actually become unwinnable and require a complete restart
You know, skimming through this thread, I See alot of people complaining about Undertale's flaws, and you know what? They've got some good points. I can even sympathize.
>the graphics
I can see the laziness. Some sprites don't work, others are oddly made, some feel like they're from entirely different games. It's an issue I can see. It's the same reason why I hate games like Splatoon and Monster Hunter, where the graphics make me wanna puke. One can't even manage over 240p resolution, so I have to squint just to look at it. So yes, when people say graphics can affect your experience, I believe it.
>the gameplay
It's very casual, I'll agree. I wish you had more Sans-tier fights in the game, because then I wouldn't want to go through the literal grind that is genocide mode, just for a challenge. It reminds me of Xenoblade and Kid Icarus, where I'm playing the game with one hand and browsing the internet with the other because these bland anime kids and their games can't even hold my interest for one second. A game should have some modicrum of increasing difficulty. Another flaw toby needed to address.
>the music
Alot of repeating tracks, but I Feel the rest of the music make up for it. i think toby was going for a variety of lietmotifs in his OST, some songs even making a connection.
>"pandering" "tumblr" "meme game"
On subsequent look throughs, I can see the complaints. It reminds me of garbage cinematic experiences like Bayonetta, where they sell you on sex and fanservice, and I instantly throw the game in the garbage. This was another sector that Undertale needed improvement in: how to keep your pandering to a minimum.
>the story
I just wish it was skippable. I dislike replaying games when I have to suffer through story. It was tolerable, because it was short. If it was a long story like Metal Gear Movie, I would've tossed it into the trash too.
Overall, if I'm being generous, I'd give the game a 6/10. It tried its hardest to be good, and I see the effort.
>>332959873
If you like Earthbound, chances are you like Undertale.
It's on most lists of "Motherlikes".
>>332959873
It is but Mother will always be better.
Think of it this way, it has as much charm and love and care as Mother but is written by a westerner.
>>332960026
yes, thanks for reinforcing my point, you illiterate cunt.
>>332960154
Well I-
>garbage cinematic experiences like Bayonetta
opinion discarded
>>332959003
Unfortunately, GG and other "anti-SJW" nonsense hit between 2013 and now, so /v/ became a den of retardation. Any indie game that gets remotely popular and isn't some over the top edgy nonsense is doomed to fail now.
>>332953785
Yes it is
>>332960230
Say it with me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRKCWWNgYbg
>CINEMATIC
>EXPERIENCE
No amount of gameplay is worth suffering through the above.
>>332960152
The punishment in both games differ greatly. In Dark Souls, the farther you died from your bonfire, the more enemies you have to fight and the more chance you have to lose your souls. Fez lacks punishment for dying
>>332953498
>I just understand why they wouldn't want to play Undertale
No you don't, fucking casual, fuck off from v you reddit tier edgelord.
>>332960154
This is a copypasta right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZHWmosWqO8
Would tell you everything wrong with the game.
>>332959830
Thanks bro. I call it the "stating facts bait"
>>332960340
>any game with cutscenes is now a cinematic experience
so this is what they mean by neo-/v/
>>332958990
Whatever message the game has about violence is diluted by the fact that the characters and circumstances used to convey this message is poorly executed. Violence is never the solution (unless it's Asgore) and everybody is capable of being your friend (unless they're using you for their own purposes). And if you don't adhere to this guideline, then you will be judged by people with less than pure actions of their own clearly apparent.
>>332960495
>a game with more cinematics than movie games like TLOU, The Order and Uncharted
>not a cinematic experience
>>332959201
>And that is going to change when they are up on the surface? Begs for a spin-off focusing on human-monster relations.
It's definitely something worth to expand upon
>Yet they are put on a moral pedestal in a genocide run.
Genocide isn't protecting yourself. You're going out of your way to kill everything. Even at a slow pace, you won't end up on a genocide run unless you go out of your way to find and kill everything.
>It is right to kill a guard in prison in order to escape
I didn't mean to imply that it was right. This is just what the monsters believe thanks to the situation of how they got there in the first place.
Sealed away by humans because humans were afraid that a monster would take a human's soul when monsters never actually attempted to pose a threat to them. (to our knowledge)
Asgore regrets his actions and that alone shows that it's not right, but it's the only option they have to get their freedom that they shouldn't of lost back.
>>332960467
You are proof that the Majora's Mask fanbase is just as autistic as Undertale's, as if we didn't know that already.
>>332959546
What are you going to say when summer comes and people are still talking about it?
Some games don't get forgotten. You're going to have to accept that. Remember when people forgot about Minecraft? Oh right, they didn't.
>>332956881
>Graffic dissonance
This, why is it that the best art is the Bunny at the start, and yet the cat at the hotel literally looks like those "real life kids drawings"
>>332959772
Look at Majora's Mask. That game was released over a decade ago and it's still frequently the topic of discussions, fanart, cosplay, you name it.
>>332953306
Undertalerrated post.
>>332960589
>more cinematics then TLOU and Uncharted
the fuck are you even talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGQM0yzg2Jk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-JWFa3FioY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61TKuj4_Oxg
literally all longer then bayonetta.
and consider that bayonetta's like a 12 hour game, while the orders literally 4 hours long and 3 of those are cutscenes
>>332953132
Because they're crap.
>>332960040
Which is ruins the moral that Asriel tries to teach you at the end, that unflinching pacifism is bad yet that same pacifism is what literally "fixed everything".
See I look at it this way, Toby has repeatedly said that this game was essentially made by mashing his favorite things together, so if that's true, perhaps he wasn't trying to really give a complex message. When advertising, he just wants people to play it, not get a huge epiphany out of it
Does that excuse the plotholes and quality of writing, no it doesn't, but I personally believe there wasn't a ulterior writing motive, he was just writing what he would like and Undertale was born
>>332960779
Then it's not directly comparable to a game with only a short history behind it, isn't it?
>>332960657
I never said "no one will be talking about Undertale in the Summer" retard. Stop kidding yourself into thinking Undertale is some masterpiece.
>>332960154
>garbage cinematic experiences like Bayonetta,
Deep down inside me there's this small part that tells me this is a kind of person that ISN'T just pretending for laughs and that these kinds of people are lurking /v/ scares me
>long story like Metal Gear Movie
Difference being MGS has skippable cutscenes and reasons to replay the game like new items, new difficulties (hows that hard mode development going?) and the games even rank you on how you played. MGS has to be one of the most replayable games ever
>>332960654
Majora's Mask isn't even in my Top 3 Zelda's. Just because 'm stating facts doesn't place me in a fandom. How much of a retard are you?
>>332960834
Oh, so you're also including all the cutscenes and parts where they talk? Hey, no problem here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ14B-GPC7A
Bayonetta matches them easily, especially when you consider that boss fights are nothing but glorified quick time events where you do nothing but make witty retorts in cringeworthy british voice acting.
>and consider that bayonetta's like a 12 hour game, while the orders literally 4 hours long and 3 of those are cutscenes
And? Games like Dragon Age:Inquisition offer 100+ hours of gameplay. Does that make it good? Does it nullify the parts of the game where you're literally doing nothing because Bioware can't code a game worth a crap, and can't even program romance/dialog choices?
>>332960154
>how to keep your pandering to a minimum.
While it didn't bother me it seemed like the whole underground was slash fiction gay.
Maybe that could have been made into a plot point or something: Monsters being biologically different from us humans in the sense that same sex romantic relationships were more common or even the norm, or a value system similar to ancient Greece where romance was separated from the strictly dutiful task of procreation. And I'm not saying it should have gone in depth on this either, just a whiff to keep the LGBT themes from coming off as simple pandering.
>>332960193
You forgot to tip your fedora
>>332960119
>he think that I love Fallout because I dislike his autistic clusterfuck
as expected from Memetalefags.
>>332960068
>You're bad!
>You're less bad!
>You're more or less good!
>You're almost good!
Woah, such a different endings, but yeah, what am I doing, you'll just suck Toby's dick no matter how accurate my arguments are. So yeah, go ahead and choke on it.
>>332960925
You hit the nail on the head. Anyone who looks too deep into the plot of a silly 5-hour indie game deserves the vitriol they get.
>>332961047
>Difference being MGS has skippable cutscenes
Stopped reading there. When I'm paying 60 dollars plus the cost of DLC, I'm not skipping a damn thing. I shouldn't have to. Your game shouldn't be a movie in the firstplace.
>>332960958
It kind of is considering Undertale has been declining in popularity for the last few months now.
>>332961104
>posts video including boss fights (i.e. gameplay)
come on, i know you're not *that* retarded. try harder.
>>332961093
But you don't seem to hate it, right? So it seems a little arbitrary that you chose to negatively compare it to an entry in the franchise you think is only middling.
>>332961265
>bayonetta boss fights
>"gameplay"
They're as much gameplay as TLOU's zombie encounters. A quick time here, a quick time there, an unskippable flashy attack animation every 5 seconds.
>>332961208
On /v/, yes, but that's because the shitposters are tired of shitposting.
