Name a better modern RPGYou can't
Pillars of Enernity
All of them that have any effort put into the interface
Or writing that isn't cringeworthy
>>332941969
kek
>>332942038
So none?
It's funny because Original Sin is worse than Divine Divinity in every way
>>332942164
If all you play is Bethesda and Bioware games, sure
>decide to play
>get to first town
>first thing i do to solve the murder is go to the cemetery
>dig up the coffin
>progress through the murder quest, evelyn runs away
>told about the hall of explorers or whatever
>didn't get an inert stone from evelyn because she ran away
>can't unlock the hall
It's a stupid game. They don't let you investigate on your own or anything like that. They just expect you to talk to everybody and the story will progress by itself.
Needless to say I dropped it.
>>332942329
Go ahead and name those games.
Every single Divinity game I have ever played was hot garbage.
Is this one different?
>>332941969
:^)
>>332942213
Apples and oranges
I wish navigating through towns wasn't such a chore.
>>332941869
Game was right hard if you tried to go exploring on your own. I really like the two main characters thing, as well as the development through dialogue choices.
>>332942845
Really? How was it a chore?
>>332942579
The hall isn't even that important
Needless to say, you are a little bitch
>>332942579
We told you bro. We warned you about the crowdfunded games.
>>332942656
Beyond Divinity and Dagron Commandwhore were really the only two shitty titles. Divine Divinity had unprecedented interactivity with the game world. It also required serious effort due to difficulty.
Name your games of choice.
>>332941869
>no cute waifus
nah, i'm not gonna bother
>>332943118
I don't know man, last one I played was Eco Draconis and it was just all around bad. I'd save in one town, re load and appear in a completely different spot from where I saved.
>>332943118
>Divine Divinity
>unprecedented interactivity
Found the underage that never played Ultima
My pitch black nigga!
Can't wait for DoS2.
>>332943328
Ultimas are barely even RPGs
might as well start listing text adventures then
>>332942213
Im looking at it on Steam right now. Are the others in the series good? Theres a bundle.
>>332943006
>Stop complaining and eat the rest of your hot bag of shit
>>332943562
Never change /v/
>>332942845
The whole game's a chore. NPCs that are too fucking chatty, spewing the same 2 lines constantly. Got to the point where I would turn my speakers off whenever I went to the market in town so I didn't have to hear 20 cunts talking about their fresh tomatoes.
Then there's every single thing related to inventory management and crafting.
It's rare that a game suffers from too much content, it's certainly the case here. You go into town and every single faggot has an errand for you. You talk to the fucking cats and the fucking cats have quests. It completely shits on the game's pacing.
>>332943526
Kek what the fuck
I hope this is bait
>>332942998
It's large, which is fine for immersion but adds time to actually going places. When I warp back to town to repair my gear and sell/identify shit walking back to lady in the inn or market. Many quests, especially those early couple, have you bounce around from one end to the other and suck up a huge amount of time.
There's also a few places that have only entry point that takes extra time to reach when they could have added some more ramps or stairs.
free cities
>>332943750
>Needing to go to the town to identify and repair shit
Literally. What the fuck are you playing?
>>332943692
I never actually used crafting.
I couldn't find a single combo that worked and choosed to ignore it. What can you even make from it?
>>332941969
I can't take this seriously enough to properly reply to it.
>>332941869
This was my first game of this kind I played (the whole top down rpg thing, the turned based combat)...what's the closest game to D:OS that I could play?
One of the first Divinities? Or another franchise?
Dragon age: inqusition
>>332943118
>throwing a teleporter pyramid across the entire map at the start of the game to reach vendors early
>mage skill swapping vendors out of their own shops and stealing all their shit
>transferring items between savegames via quicksave/quickload glitch
>going on a murder spree before the end to get jacked on exp
>those skellingtons that fall to pieces due to excess existential thought
>reaching the secret area and getting the armor of larian
good times, DD is muh favourite game of all time tbqh, wish it got more recognition
>>332942579
You get an inert stone at the inn, where the murder happened.
>>332942046
>>332942754
>>332944042
>better world
>better story
>better quests
>better characters
Pillars is objectively better.
>>332941869
never noticed how they are holding hands
thats lewd as fuck
>>332943692
You can refuse things you know, you don't have to accept every single quest
>>332944106
lmao jesus christ
>>332944260
>More text
>Exposition dump
>Better story/quest/characters/world
Ebin. If I wanted to read a book, I would read a book.
>>332944260
Are you that "if your game isnt grimdark its kiddie shit" autist who seems to always be in every cRPG thread in the last two weeks?
>>332941869
Legend of Grimrock 2
>>332944383
literally who
>>332944380
How old are you? Can't be older than high school.
>>332944106
Fallout if you want a good game with bad combat
Temple of Elemental Evil if you want bad game with good combat
>>332944387
I only played the first one, missed out on half the secrets, and was very disappointed by the last boss.
How does the second compare to the first?
>>332944496
Only high school students mistake more text for a better game.
>>332944351
Not everyone's a NEET virgin with infinite free time :^)
The writing and voice acting sucks so much its painful and I am not a huge fan of the art direction.
Combat is good though, and the conversation system is neat.
>>332941969
It's true because pillars has bettergameplay
>>332944498
>ToEE
Probably my favorite cRPG of all time.
Helps that I absolutely love lower level adventures, rather than the Mask of the Betrayer high level stuff.
Also I think that ToEE has the best combat of any Dungeons&Dragons game I've played.
>>332944504
2nd has a character development system that isn't broken and focuses a lot more on outdoor areas
>>332943953
With lv5 in both crafting and smithing you can make weapons better than divine tier, on par with endgame uniques.
But in most cases you will need to look up a crafting table to know what ingredients are and hoard everything as you play through the game.
>>332944498
I wouldn't say they're bad games, they just have bad narratives.
a game with a bad narrative and great combat is a good game in my book
>>332944106
play divine divinity if you don't mind realtime combat. there's a quick pause button anyway so you can make the combat as slow as you want
>>332944643
i didn't mean "they", i just meant ToEE
>>332944578
Only kids can't handle a lot of conversation in an RPG.
>>332944741
>ToEE -> they
Phone posting?
>>332944623
Would you recommend playing the game with or without mods the first time?
>>332944591
>and the conversation system is neat.
You actually like playing rock-paper-scissors to put your social skills to use?
>>332943953
Better equipment than anything you can find through drops.
Blacksmithing buffs that dramatically boost your damage.
Shitloads of grenades and special arrows.
Basically if you don't go through the busywork of putting Thing A on Thing B after transferring everything to your Crafting/Blacksmithing mule (Because you don't want to waste points on your actual combat characters, right?) you get screwed out of a ton.
>>332944303
Why the fuck would anyone EVER pass up a quest? So I can miss the triggers that progress them and get completely boned out of XP and rewards? Because that's what happens.
>That NPC who shills Dragon commander.
>>332944875
I originally played it in its buggy native state, and I've recently played it with some mods. I got a rar from /v/ actually, I'll see if I can find it.
Patched the game is fine native. I loved it native.
>>332944946
I assume he is talking about the conversations between the protagonists, and getting + Pragmatic, + Romantic and such depending on your choices, and having these impact your in game stats if you make consistent choices.
They are removing the Rock, Paper, Scissors part in DOS2, check their PC Gamer presentation. Very ambitious with the four player co-op and adding the possibility for players to fuck each other up.
>>332941869
Undertale
>>332944971
>Why the fuck would anyone EVER pass up a quest? So I can miss the triggers that progress them and get completely boned out of XP and rewards? Because that's what happens.
Because it's an RPG and you aren't forced to do every single thing. You do everything and then complain there's too much to do. Must suck to have autism
>>332945173
did Larian mention what are they substituting rock/paper/scissors with?
![p1434175[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8N6kDLq.jpg "p1434175[1].jpg")
Stale genre.
>>332945335
I can't find it, but at around 12 minutes into this video he talks about conversations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyg9EZtVRSM
I don't have the time right now, if you want you can watch the whole thing, I am sure he said they are removing Rock, Paper, Scissors at some point.
>>332944504
Grimrock 2 is a shining example of a sequel fixing most issues of the previous game and making everything just plain better.Earth magic is still shit, though.
>>332945173
I'm pretty sure some choices will be resolved by fighting the fuck of each others.My boner is already ready for those bones puns when i'll play as undead
>>332945824
watching, thanks
>>332945884
Will we manage to get some Europe timezone co-op game with /v/ posters?
None of my few Steam friends are buying it.
>>332945035
Thanks anon
>>332946012
I'm from europe but i need to see that if you are chill enough to unstandard an italian faggot trying to speak english.And if you are right in the head, give me your steam profile and i'll check it
>>332946294
>give me your Steam profile
Oh... I... errr.... I mean.....I mostly pirate games and only get them on Steam when they are like 2 bucks so I can tell myself I am not a thief.id/ba764
>>332945192
It's the exact same shit as the crafting system. You can ignore tedious quests, and tedious crafting and smithing, but you miss out on a ton of shit if you do.
I haven't even gotten into the unforgivable "personality" system where you get bonuses for talking to people a certain way, but certain bonuses are objectively better than the opposite so everyone ends being Altruistic Independent Righteous Blunt Compassionate Pragmatic Spiritual Bold and Forgiving.
Wasn't Larian mad when they found out the majority of people who played the game were male? Like they expected a huge female audience.
>>332946562
>mad
More like surprised. During their conventions and presentations a third of the public was females, so they were surprised that during the campaign less than a third of supporters were female.
Basically missed the part where female fans are more likely to go to conventions, so they will appear as a larger part of the whole community at them.
>>332942213
Only if you have ADD.
>tfw the last good RPG storyline you've seen was inSWTOR
>>332946928
Play Age of Decadence or Fallout: New Vegas. Both good stories, micro and macro.
>>332944796
>Conversation
There is a difference between a conversation and a wall of text you dumbass.
>>332946520
Do sput spout meme'n'shit for no reason at all?
I don't give shit if you pirate it, as long you have fun andbuy OS2 obviously.I still have to play EE, if you are up for it and give me an hand, we can play it.
>>332944796
Only kiddies like to read huge texts of nothingness because they are so empty inside that they must try to fill themselves inside with empty words and broken promises.
>>332947050
I already have played NV.
I have age of decadence but the gameplay felt so unnecessarily convoluted i gave up on it. Maybe i'll pick it up again.
>>332941969
This.
Divinity OS is fucking garbage.
>>332947108
Oh I backed DOS2.
And I am playing through EE with a friend now, but currently on a break. Got bored of the combat since my guy isnt very good at it and we cant exactly do creative combos and abusing game mechanics. We are just playing it very straight and it got dull near the end.
>>332947254
Your fucking face and opinion is garbage how bout you come say D:OS is garbage to my FUCKING FACE.
>>332946754
I don't want to stir shit up, but I thought they mentioned in some kind of post that they were going to have the second game catering to a more female audience.
It could just be someone making shit up though since I haven't seen the image posted in a while
>>332947149
>posts a portrait from a game full of text and silliness
>>332944260
>real time with pause
no
>>332947421
Yep, in that same post they said that they thought they are capturing the interest of more women than they actually did.
So for the next game (DOS2) they will market it in such a way that they get more females to play. Thus the romances and "darker, more serious" setting. Those are the two things they are changing to get girls to play.
>>332941869
I never heard of this game.
>>332942579
>read walkthrough
>don't follow walkthrough
>'fuck' yourself over by making it take slightly longer to get to something that isn't necessary to beat the game and you wouldn't even know about if you weren't reading a fucking walkthrough
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW THIS IS BULLSHIT
Okay DSP.
>>332941869
MUH ground interacts with spells
such innovation
much tactic
freedom of nuke everi1 with dolls
best crafteng systeme 2015
>>332947297
That's a shame, i'm fucking up for abusing shit
It's still people to get infinite explosions against mushrooms?
i dropped the game around the 3th area (the city ravaged by the orcs and humans) because the other had to quit for personal reasons
All of this because they announced fucking EE, so we dropped the game at all and wait for that.Expect he didn't came back
>>332941869
Somehow it ends up being incredibly boring and unengaging.
>>332947962
>people
*Possible
Fucking autocapthas.
Playing it right now.
Having a blast.
>>332941869
Shadowrun Dragonfall of course.
>>332948017
better story and characters, worse combat by a lot imo
I really enjoyed Original Sin, but it suffers from a weak narrative and stretching on too long. The first area is fantastic and the core combat is really fun as you first discover all these effect combinations and how you can use the environment in fights, but as it progresses the areas get more and more linear and the combat never really changes it up. You're just using the exact same tactics against slightly different looking enemies.
Mind you this was back at launch, I know the enhanced edition added the "Tactics" mode or whatever that makes encounters harder so maybe that fixes some of my complaints about the combat
Literally JRPG Morrowind.
>>332947578
Not him but, I don't think adding/advertising more romance will make women want to play this game. At least not in a way I see the game working in. They would have to go DA:O and have the ability to fuck everything and with cutscenes and I don't think that fits here. Or dumb down the game a bit, A lot of women I know don't even know about the game or if I've explained it they don't like how much stuff there is in it. It's just too much for them.I'm the only female that has played this it seems and all my "gamer" friends refuse. They won't even couch co-op it.
>>332941869
>>332949907
London?
But seriously. I don't even think more romances would help. I can't imagine women suddenly flocking to the game just because of romance. If the game didn't interest them in the first place then adding some minor stuff to the second won't.
>>332950126
I've brought it up to about 10-15 girls and some of their bf/husbands. Not a single girl was actually interested besides the initial oh that sounds cool and never bought it. While the boys, at least some were actually interested and ended up picking it up and playing together. I inquired why they wouldn't even play with them and most said it just looked "boring". I don't think they can do anything to fix this to get a big enough jump in women sales. Maybe trick a couple into it but even then I doubt they will finish it.
It's sad that they have such shit taste because the game is a ton of fun.
>>332949907
Well they did ask in the comments where the girls are, why they arent playing, etc.
Romances and darker themes were the answers they got, so thats what they are doing now.
They dont want to make the game less likable for men, they just want all of these women, four billions and counting, to be their potential customers. Its an untapped market.
It's still sitting in my library waiting to be played. I'm waiting for my friend to get a new graphics card though since his old piece of shit one doesn't support DX 11.
Looks like a lot of fun though.
>>332950126
Maybe if the story was focused entirely on a complex romance they could be interested. But then it would ruin the game for the men.
>>332949907
I had to stop couch co-oping it with my friend since it was driving him crazy. He was reasonably frustrated when his archer that was built for accuracy couldn't hit enemies at close by while enemy archers and my wand dude could snipe shit at any distance.
>>332941869
This game's combat is shit. I hate it.
>>332947831
If you read a walkthrough for Divinity you're missing half the game. Also, if you're implying the only way to know that quest exists is by looking it up, you're an idiot.
>>332950613
Oh I get it from a business standpoint it's smart and I don't think they are going to just throw away the reasons men like the game. I just don't think it will work the way they're thinking. In my experience women have shallow taste and don't like games with too much depth. There are obviously exceptions to this but in general that's why most don't want to deal with the game, it feels like too much work. I think this is the same reason games like Baulders Gate or PoE aren't popular, actually never met a girl who likes Civ/Xcom genre either. I'm not sure they'll be able to do much about this.
>>332950920
Besides that is the couch co-op any good? I played the original when it first came out on steam then the EE but never picked it up on console. I just sometimes want a comfy couch game, is this one of those?
>>332950613
unfortunately plenty of men asked for romances, too, and the darker theme change is also due to global feedback - many people including myself didn't enjoy the overdone light heartedness and humor in the game.
>>332950880
It's not really a romance or story focus that's the issue is the rest of the game isn't super accessible for a casual to moderate skill female audience. D:OS has a hard enough time connecting with a similar male demographic.
Bioware RPGs can hit that mark right because they're pretty easy.
>>332950920
Dont archers have an ability that basically makes it guaranteed for them to hit? Something like +40% to hit, when you would never be as low as 60% before it?
>>332941869
The best of 2014 for sure. Shame it was a tad too short maybe after Cyseal.
>>332951374
Well I think in DOS2 you will choose some background, and that will basically be this character's main quest, which is different than other character's main quests, and different from the party's main quest.
And there will probably be some romance/lost love type background, so you will see unique dialogue options for this character referring to it, and unique objectives on their path to finding their loved one.
This does sound like something a girl would enjoy, in my experience. My female friends that play actual vidya and not just minigames play stuff like Witcher 3 and Inquisition, because they have strong relationship driven quest lines, and reference relations often.
Less politics and duty, more love or revenge.
>>332951374
>Besides that is the couch co-op any good?
It's alright. It's a bit awkward to set up and sometimes the game shuffles control of the characters's randomly, but once you get going it works. You also have to make a campaign with the two player setup in mine. It's shame he can't have his dude and I can't have mine join a shared sessions instead of me creating a two player campaign and have him log into his own dude.
During combat it's basically identical to you passing control off to another person, but outside of it there's some nice benefits like being able to split up for searching for stuff. Also lets you avoid micromanaging your whole party by yourself.
If you got a bud who is into the idea and is ok with scheduling game nights it works, but it lacks the pick up and play of more standard couch multiplayer games.
>>332951374
yeah, top-down camera, strategy/tactics games are not very popular with women from what i've seen
>>332952102
I didn't care much for DA:O honestly. Loved Witcher, all of them but 3 was amazing. I'm excited to see how it will turn out. I usually avoid game info until near release to keep my hype down. Is there an expected date yet?
>>332952135
I may have to pick that up then. You said switching controllers though. Can you not play with 2 controllers or am I mistaking it?I play co-op with my husband so that's not an issue. We were just looking for a new one to get.thanks for the info.
>>332949615
In your dreams
>>332952850
We play on two laptops in the game room, with one hooked up to the tv in the living room. I think you need two separate systems to play it.
>>332953078
Wait I'm talking about the console version of the game not the PC I already own it on both our steam accounts and played original and EE. Is the console version not couch co-op?
>>332953285
Console is couch co-op, PC is online co-op.
Define "modern RPG".
DivOS was okay as turn-based game and all, but devs went full retard at some point, when they started to nerf everything and disabled mercs adjusting level to your party. In game where there are no respawning enemies.
Oh and game was too linear. In theory, you had freedom, in pracise, you had to follow the same line anyway, to the same ending. With same optimized builds.
I dont know how it changed with this whole "enhanced edition", I played normal one shortly after release. Fun for first half, then lost all momentum and was boring at the end. But at least I could make pretty powerful couple with absurd amount of AP, which was of course disabled later, because "muh balance".
>>332941969
He said "modern" RPG.
While Divinity had a shit story it really progressed RPGs forward. It has one of the best engines I've ever played in. The interactibility is fantastic. The combat is ace as well and graphic and world have a unique aesthetic/charm to it. Also finally a good TURN BASED RPG again.
PoE pretty much copy-pasted everything from older RPGs and still didn't manage to even come close to them. It's just a nostalgia wank.
So even if Divinity was far from perfect, you have to appreciate the game for trying and moving RPGs in the right direction.
