>Can't just start the game and grind out and play a titan
What a shitty spaceship, sandbox game. If the market was trying to pay $500 every time they're interested in a tiny niche in their MMO, they could just play Entropia.. and probably get paid.
>>332919387
>waaaah, the game requires actual skill and effort
Fuck off
>>332919387
>wanting a space coffin.
>why can't I drive the big ship the developers thought only a couple of people would actually build?
>>332919459
>paying for stats and unlocks is skill
>>332919387
>I have no idea what a Titan is, or it's role in Null sec, but I can't use it week 1 so the game is bad.
If some braindead moron somehow did manage to build a titan on their own, they would be dead within the day.
>>332919863
>paying
Retard. You should be drowning in ISK even if you're half retarded.
>>332919523
>>332919742
>>332919901
>not realizing the general criticisms as it applies to literally every ship and role in the game
>but muh titans
FUCK GOONS
>>332919951
Yes the skill system is shitty, but you can do pretty much anything within a few months of reasonably focused training.
It gets better once you have the core skills, but yes skills are shit.
>>332919387
Why the fuck would you want a titan?
>>332919951
>literally every ship and role
T1 frig pvp is short as hell to train for
null/non-sleeper WH exploration sites are easy to train for
Trade and Manufacturing are all about how much you actually understand markets and a little capital to start
>>332921973
For the average MMO, 3 months of training is a fucking awful idea. EVE gets no free pass just because it's a sandbx. The game design could use some serious insight.
>>332922652
>3 months
You know you don't have to V all skills to do something right?
>>332922652
You can train a Gankalyst alt in a day and go kill a Retriever worth 40m ISK with your 1m disposable ship.
What's better?
EVE or Elite: Dangerous
>>332922962
There are 20 years of skills. There's something to train that would hugely benefit their fit.
>>332923775
and yet a 1 month old character can beat 500m isk+ ships with pilots that have years of skill training
>>332924058
Good luck finding veterans that would actually test this theory with 1v1s. The whole of the community knows how OP SP is.
Getting some scraps from shitters is no implication that the game is very entertaining.
>>332924198
I think he was probably referring to ambushing mission runners and killing their blingfit boats.
>>332924058
That sounds fun, but finding fleets is like finding faction blueprints, but more rare.
>>332919387
Game is unique in how much investment it requires but it's also uniquely rewarding.
>>332924993
There's legitimately no reason for contrast. The game is what it is, not what other games aren't -- it has to stand as a product. Furthermore, there's no benefit to having the deepest economy and flight mechanics with the strictest gating of any game ever.
>>332919951
Unless you have a huge amount of support and security, a titan is nothing but a very large and expensive coffin.
>>332925626
>There should be no fantasy or goal
>Just pretend like that part of the game is nonexistent
>>332925146
This might come as a shock to someone who grew up in an environment where everything is fighting tooth and nail for your money/attention by way of being as appealing as possible to everyone, but, if you don't like EVE the way it is, CCP doesn't give a fuck about you.
>>332925707
Yea I don't even know what type of point you're trying to make.
>>332925707
Supers are what killed the game.
No one likes them.
Plus, a titan is FUCKING SHIT for anything but fleet boost and DD. I haven't played in a while, but they have trouble hitting dreads that are moving even slightly.
>>332925802
>as they give fresh characters more starting SP
>as they advertise on Facebook
>>332925914
A game should be fun. A sub game should have full content.
>>332925146
I just wish it was easier to just drop into a small fleet and go. But it takes so much planning and micromanaging that I have to work for 2 hours just to begin to have fun and that will probably just be a roam and we will probably find nothing anyway and just go to bed.
>>332926009
>a game should be [something I enjoy].
...
>>332922962
>You know you don't have to V all skills to do something right?
But you need V in all relevant skills to not automatically lose to your opponent assuming equal skill.
>>332926135
If everything in a fight is equal, whomever gets the first shot wins.
>>332925914
>>332926001
>muh Titans
Training is like that for everything. Argument invalid.
>>332926016
It's about having friends, and the game's overall 'nicheness' doesn't exactly make local LAN parties thrive
>>332926128
>There are no objective merits to gaming and loyalty/interest psychogy
There's a trend here with retention. Something explains it.
>>332926016
Join Spectre Fleet's pub channel
They run all sorts of fleets, from T1 Frig to Pirate BS. Usually get gud fites because the FCs know what the fuck they're doing and where to go to get content.
>>332926250
>>There are no objective merits to gaming and loyalty/interest psychogy
>There's a trend here with retention. Something explains it.
You seem to be a person who just heard some words somewhere and are now mindlessly repeating them.
>>332926250
>complain about not having a titan
>get called a retard
>b-but I was talking about all the ships gaiz!!1!11!
No.
>>332926135
>There has ever in the history of EVE been a contentious fight between two identical ships
I find that hard to believe.
>>332926335
I was going to post a bunch of infographics, but if that's the best reply incoming..
>>332926371
Prove I wasn't?
>>332925626 is literally replying to a post with clarification.
>>332926676
You are bar none the most retarded poster on /v/ right now, and given that modern /v/ is a horrible tumblr/reddit chimeric nightmare, this is really saying something.
>>332926816
EVE is by far the best MMO with bar none the worst and most hampering progression in the market.
>>332926676
>start thread complaining about titans
>get called a retard
>b-but I was talking about all the ships gaiz!
No.
>>332927126
>obsessive posting
>>332926135
I've heard it said, 'Show me a fair fight in EVE and I'll show you two people doing it wrong'
That said, combat in the game is kinda dull and the market is the only thing that really stands out in the game.
>>332927303
Combat would be pretty boring if it weren't for the permanent loss of ships and their iintrinsic value to their owner.
>Blow up a mining nerd
>Tears in local
>Know that you destroyed something he spent hours to earn
>Warp into a fleet fight
>Your battleship is worth more than a plex
>the shakes
>>332927303
It has the best aerial physics of any game.
>>332927174
At least I'm bothering to type, I could just start smug posting if that'd help.
What is it with newbie and wanting to fly titans?
I've played since 2009 and flown a T1 battleship once.
>>332927551
It's dull at best suggesting that Titans are the only argument.
>>332919387
>eve online
How the fuck do i get myself interested in this game? should I even bother?
>>332927787
That's the very point. OP has made this type of thread before. It's common knowledge that the biggest ships are of prestige.
>>332927845
>be rich
>buy a character
>>332927174
>bitches about titans then tries to change argument to all ships
>claims "obsessive posting" when shitter shattered
>>332927845
Yes, get someone to give you a code for a month-long trial and see if you like it. You can play completely free if you have no life and are OK with grinding 24/7 for the first month, too.
More importantly, it's a game everyone should try out at least once.
>>332927924
>be rich
>buy a character
I'm in australia and our money is worth fuck all, I doubt i could do that. is it worth starting from scratch tho?
>>332927931
Sure, there must be absolutely no other niche in the game hampered by SP. It's not as if the game claims the most deep economy and thus business roles..
>>332927845
Post email.
>>332928030
If you're going to complain about the general SP restrictions of the game, don't open with shitposting about titans.
Because when the opening argument is "Hurr why can't I fly a titan week 1" no one is going to bother responding to anything but that retardation.
>be random nobody pilot
>have no idea what you're doing
>complain about not being able to afford and fly large military spaceships
gotta start small and work your way up
you dont enlist in the air force and expect to fly b-52s within a month either
>>332928030
>Post email.
[email protected]
I wish I could play EVE again. But real life exists. It's sad that mmos are dying because of this
>>332928210
>>332928363
It's only shitposting as much as there is a rebuttal.
Yet, here's the no-argument coming up on why the idea of flying a Titan ASAP (within reason) is 'ludicrous'.
All the game has is making money if there are no ships. That's nothing. Gameplay is the reason games are played.
>>332928430
Sent.
>>332919459
Spreadsheet calculations performed by a game require skill
>mfw the goons are getting royally fucked by pretty much everything and everyone as we speak
>>332928551
what even is your problem?
you can fly a frigate day 1, a destroyer within 2 more days, and a cruiser within 2 weeks tops.
could probably even get bc ready within a month, though affording a bc on your own within your first month of play seems unrealistic.
>>332928564
VFK BY YESTERDAY
>>332928564
What's the current status of them? All I know is that the outskirts of the empire are under siege for days now and that they retreated out of most of these sectors.
>>332928719
Sure you can fly those ships, but can you actually use it in that length of time? Meaning, having the proper skills to back you up? No.
>>332928719
Guess what the meta is? Strict and established. An inability to properly outfit a ship and for it to perform well is a city without walls. The propensity for gaming negativity to be blamed on the game has basically no out here except paying more money. There's nothing to keep fresh play interesting, in a game that has the most roles and potential.
>>332928551
>Sent.
Thanks senpai
>>332929089
You don't exactly need mastery 5 to do PvE missions
>>332928938
>VFK was actually entosis'd
What the actual fuck is happening
>>332929189
>invitation not accepted
It'd be fun having a buddy as well. It's ZC.
>>332923685
they are completely different
I started playing EVE 4 days ago and I'm already in a fitted cruiser.
Exploration is a great way to earn ridiculous cash early on.
You just gotta get lucky.
>>332929332
Not really.
They both have 3D flight. If the character isn't taking advantage of it in EVE, that's their issue.
>>332929376
>4 days
>cruiser
Yeah nah, you're not fooling anyone.
>>>/goons/
>>332929245
No, probably not for level 2 missions. When you get to Destroyers and Cruisers those level 2's won't provide enough income and you'll need level 3's and many more proficient skills. I played EVE for 7 years and I went through this process twice already.
>>332929287
I'll accept it soon, just on my mac atm need to get to the desktop
>>332929391
>eve online
>3D flight
...What?
>>332929041
Mittens made a morale ping and dedicated his state of the goonion to encouraging goons to form for VFK.
117 goons showed (out of an 11000 man alliance, compared to ~500 from FCON) and the station was freeported. Prior to this DBRB gave an interview where he said the plan was basically to retreat to lowsec and harass with interceptor wulfpax.
The rape train has departed the station and has no brakes.
>>332929089
You can gank miners within a day of training with a gankalyst.
If you wanna mission, you can fly a destroyer within a day and have no problem (unless you do SoE because Dagan is a prick)
If you wanna mine, they give you a free venture and the skills, less than a day of training.
If you wanna explore, you get a free exploration ship and skills, less than a day of training*.
If you wanna trade, figure out how to generate capital so you can start, trade skills are generally pretty quick trains as well.
*Ability to do shit with low hacking skills not guaranteed.
>>332929430
yes really, not even in a corp yet.
>>332929508
You can move in the x,y, and z planes in EvE.
Three dimensional flight.
>>332929668
No, you can't.
The manual controls are completely and utterly useless.
You're talking shit.
>>332929729
>double click up
>moves up
>>332929729
Nigger, it doesn't matter how the controls are, you are still in a fucking 3D plane ala Homeworld style.
>>332929729
You can be near or far, left or right, or above or below your target. 3 Dimensions, whoooah.
I think you're just a dumb who thinks 3D means WASD to move.
>>332929729
>3d flight means amazing manual control
No, it means that the ships can literally move across all three planes.
I can go forward and back, left and right, up and down.
X
Y
Z
Three dimensions.
>>332929869
His point is it doesn't really matter that much that Eve is 3D space, you'll be orbiting a target a set distance you set in your overview.
>>332929987
It's still an RPG and doesn't claim it isn't and Elite, I assume, is an action game.
MMORPGs will not work with real action combat due to latency and server load so they are text and stat based.
>>332929987
If you don't use manual piloting effectively then you will get dunked on by better pilots who do. Managing range, transversal and avoiding obstacles and bubbles are important player skills (as opposed to character skills).
>>332929802
>>332929818
>>332929869
>>332929915
4 fucking idiots, all of you.
Comparing Elite Dangerous to EvE because "muh 3D flight" is fucking retarded, they're two completely different games.
Elite Dangerous is a flight simulator in space with inertia and realistic gravitational simulation, EVE online is a fucking point-and-click MMO where there is no real fucking purpose on using anything other than the orbit feature since you can even fly through objects.
Stop fucking arguing over semantics, you retarded niggers.
>m-muh 3D f-flight!!1
It's irrelevant, it has no benefit at all, the ship automatically fires its guns and places itself in range and with the weapons already fixed on the enemy.
There is no tactical advantage on just going "up" or "down", since there is no cockpit view and pretty much everyone can see\watch\analize everything closer to them.
>>332929987
>hurr all you do is orbit!
>why aren't my guns hitting? What's transversal?
Spoken like a true shitter.
>>332930149
>If you don't use manual piloting effectively then you will get dunked on by better pilots who do.
PFFFWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH yeah ok you never played eve mate
>>332930227
>what is traversal
>what is alignment
etc. etc.
>>332930149
>there are capsuleers who use manual piloting at all
>>332930320
Try holding tackle when all you do is hit 'orbit at [distance] then, anon.
Confirmed for mission babby.
I am of course referring to manual piloting by double clicking in space, not the WASD bullshit that nobody uses nor should ever use.
>>332930227
>comparing EvE to Elite
Fucking what? We corrected a retard who said their isn't 3d flight in EvE
>>332930247
>>332930342
>m-muh transversal
>m-muh alignment
Yeah nah, you're not fooling anyone now with your mirror climbing bullshit.
>>332930227
It's really not as simple as orbit and wait. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0910/eve-tracking101.swf
But yes one is an action game and one is an RPG. They're different but still 3D.
>>332930451
>i engage in shitposting wars without even understanding the casus belli
classical /v/
read up, you fucking nigger
>>332921973
>frigate pvp
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>332930551
>someone says something retarded
>correct him
>HURR DURR LEMME JUST SHITPOST AND MAKE ASSUMPTIONS REAL QUICK
Please just stop
>>332930723
make me, faggot
>>332921973
>T1 frig pvp
Yeah but then you're facing people using links.
>>332929508
>>332929987
>>332930227
Click-navigation is the worst method of piloting. It can't predict.
https://youtu.be/4yBTaqiMrX4?t=5m42s
https://youtu.be/4UieJcWI-YM?t=20m32s (!)
https://youtu.be/4UieJcWI-YM?t=56s
https://youtu.be/4UieJcWI-YM?t=8m
>>332931237
Selected item navigation*
>>332930991
and T3Ds
>>332928564
>THIS TIME WILL BE DIFFERENT GUISE, REALLY
>WE'LL ACTUALLY GET THE GOONIES THIS TIME TRUST ME
>DIDN'T WANT VFK ANYWAY
>HAHA MADE YOU FORM
grr goons people are so fucking stupid. you've all lost every war you've fought against goons for the past 4 years, fuzzysov isn't going to change that and citadels and cap changes aren't either.
>>332929262
vfk is a ghosttown these days, hasn't been used as a goon staging system for like two years.
>>332932048
>>332932048
>>>/goons/
>>guys, it's not 3D
>it is
BTFO
>>332932810
>have to come back half a fucking hour to declare victory by shitposting
Jesus fucking christ, how old are you again?
>>332919863
>Start off as Space Miner
>Spend hours lasering space rocks in a comfy chair listening to smooth jazz
>Save up and buy first giant mining ship
>Mine space rocks even faster
>Join Courier Corp who transport my goods to be sold for me for a 10% cut
>Spend even longer mining space rocks
>Realise I have a mountain of cash and fuck all to do with it
>Stop playing
Oh well, was comfy while it lasted.
>>332933275
buy an even bigger mining ship
eventually get a giant industrial mining ship and start a mining corp
etc.
someone should start an EVE 4chan guild
>>332933275
Mining is literally the most boring stuff to do in EVE.
You just sit and watch as your drones mine everything.
Seriously, that's all.
There is nothing else.
>>332933486
>>>/goons/
>>332933275
>said nobody ever
>>332933486
Broski Enterprises was a thing once. /v/ gaming groups never last long.
>>332933521
>Mining is literally the most boring stuff to do in EVE.
I enjoy it, always have enjoyed resource gathering and crafting in MMO's.
>>332933486
there was one a few years ago. it doesn't exist anymore and the people that still play splintered off into other corps/alliances.
>>332933689
But i do too, anon.
It's pretty comfy.
But it ain't as exciting as exploring WH or ratting people.
>>332933486
Goon Swarm started out on SomethingRotten, but attracted a fuck-tonne of 4channers.
>>332933784
...which later left after the actual retards lured by the whole "lets pretend to be retarded" attitude 4channers used joined in and ruined everything.
>>332933918
>pretend to be retarded
The mantra was "Oh well, we're shit but we have fun doing it" when I was in.
Sure we got decimated by that rival fleet, but it was fucking hilarious and we laughed it off.
Oh we actually beat that rival fleet through mostly accident and superior numbers? Even funnier. It was about actually enjoying it and not playing Eve as a 2nd Job Number Cruncher Excel spreadsheet shitfest when I was in. Guessing it went to shit?
>>332934096
SJWs joined the corp, 4channers left.
Make your conclusions.
>>332934224
>SJW's join something known to be full of things they hate
Fucking why, every time
>>332933764
>exploration
>find a motherload of a sector with several cosmic signatures
>send out probes and cloak up
>a few minutes later you hear another ship cloak up nearby
>suddenly its a race against the clock
Exploration can be fucking intense yo
>>332929089
here's what you can do within a week
>lowsec exploration with frigate
>mining
>trading
>t1 production
>research
>running lv 1 and 2 combat missions
>running courier missions
>gank miners
and that's just the solo stuff
>>332933486
>not just joining a huge corp and networking dank memes
>Become Space Salvager.
>Fly into warzones and pvp hotspots, loot wrecks, scoop up drones and salvage messes.
>Scan down mission runners and and steal their wrecks.
>Bait people into attacking me in high sec then survive just long enough for them to be BTFO'd
>Set up a junk yard and make okay dosh
>Eventually get enough money for the Noctis
I stopped playing here, there was literally no sense of progression once I got the ship I wanted. No reason to keep playing at all. As far as I'm concerned, I've beaten EvE.
>>332929376
>>332929430
its pretty easy if someone tells you what you need to know.
>do the career agent missions for some starting capital
>buy an exploration frigate (i used magnate)
>buy t1 modules for it and train the skills you need to fit it (takes a day or two at most)
from there you just do data sites in lowsec. depending on your luck you can get several million isk worth of loot from a single site.
do that for a few days and you got enough money for a cruiser.
>>332926676
Yea, uh, game design by infographic is exactly why the video game industry is dying.
trying to please everyone just means everything is roughly the same.
I personally have a love/hate, on/off relationship with EVE because of how aggressively unique and, dare I say, visionary it is.
>>332927303
It goes even further than that. It is absolutely impossible to have a fair fight in EVE. One side will always have an advantage of some sort.
>>332935509
People seem to miss the whole point of "Sandbox MMO".
The game has no goal, you just carve out your fun.
And you did.
Congratulations.
EVE is a gigantic foundation for a fun game without the fun game on top of it.
Every little activity in the game is meh. I blame because the combat is meh, so everything else suffers from that point.
ITT: modern casual fags treating EVE like a singleplayer game and then crying about it
>>332936258
The biggest thing to do in EVE is interacting with other players.
>>332934501
To men, "mature temperament" means "is not a screaming drama queen about every little thing."
To women, "mature temperament" means "goes out of their way to not offend anyone, ever."
There are those diamonds who literally are "just one of the guys," (who usually end up as god-queen-matriarchs of huge groups because the power they know they wield) but most women will get offended at something, will pitch a bitch about it, and still be surrounded by enough sycophants to think they were in the right.
>>332936082
Just like when the goons decided that they wanted to destroy the economy when they suicide attacked the main trading hub of Jita with about 14000 ships.
people were cring, but CCP said that they are free to do what they want within the game's limits.
>>332935509
It does suck that the battlefield-salvager line basically ends at the noctis.
Though the noctis is one sexy motherfucker.
>>332936751
Man, i miss burn jita.But yes, that's EVE, and >>332936479 is right.
>>332936825
The point is that there is really no reason to play once you have the ship you want. You can't go anywhere from there but down.
>>332936751
Didn't they have some sort of complaint and that was a protest in service of that complaint?
I mean, they were basically dumping thousands of tons of liquid shit on occupied pre-schools because they were angry at God for the state of the world, but still, the fact CCP just laughed is why CCP is one of the best developers still running.
>>332936548
>to men; not woman
>to women; not man
there, shortened that for you
>>332936943
Then you make even bigger goals
Or just quit, I dunno.
>>332936943
I can only understand that in the sense that "high-sec ninja-looter" is a very limited career-path.
Otherwise there are always bigger places to go, and bigger ships to get. Personal carriers and shit are pretty popular these days.
>>332937056
men and women can be faggots, yo.
>>332937318
>High sec
>Not opening the galaxy map, setting it to recent battles and flying to the biggest, reddest, ping.
>>332937412
I tried doing that, but I dropped to 2 FPS when I selected the war zone with 1400 people in it, so I said fuck it
>>332937412
well he/you did specifically mention baiting people in secured space for concord to come rape them.
>>332935269
>newbie opens reprocessing window
>awful margins
>checks production prices
>same
>never tries again
>unsubs
>>332937621
Good.
>>332935816
>projections
Scientifically objective design.
>>332937529
It happens. Cloak up, wait for the battle to end then grab what you can grab before the corporate parasites manage to warp in. Its the thrill of being a Salvager. You won't win a fight- you CANT win a fight. You essentially play Metal Gear EvE
>>332937781
No, on the galactic map, not in the actual system.
>>332937703
There is nothing that could be said about unsubbing from such blatantly monetized restrictions that would make it seem any less of a prestigious choice.
>>332937753
... you realize you posted an infographic about how to get people to care about things they HAVE NO CHOICE in doing, right? Ya know, those things called jobs?
Whereas a video game is something people have to seek out.
Did they ever fix the scanning? Last time I played the shit was unusuable. Took an hour just to scan down a mission NPC
>Move ball two inches to the left
>Turn camera
>It was actually moved six million miles away from the entire galaxy map
>>332937917
>if I thesaurus, I am look smart!1
If everything is the same, people get bored. Tis why all the WoW-killers failed.
>>332936258
Very little is actually understood about EVE combat for 99% of the gaming market, as the whole 3D discussion proves.
The game has a perfect 3D flight implementation.
>>332937971
Oh nice, perfect evidence of never reading about it. It's the same whether for jobs or games or just living.
>>332938096
Last time I did it you could control which planes on which the ball moved. So, yes?
>>332938330
>video games = jobs
Yea, I'm at a loss.
>>332938330
>>332937753
>people always joke about how /v/ hates video games
>this guy is actually trying to prove everyone hates video games with HR infographics
wow
>>332938330
>Very little is actually understood about EVE combat for 99% of the gaming market, as the whole 3D discussion proves.
>The game has a perfect 3D flight implementation.
But is it a fun game?
NO IT'S NOT IT'S FUCKED
>>332939030
I don't know mang, I had fun with it. Especially trying out whacked out fits like permanent mwd on a cruiser with high tracking long range guns with a web and just murdering niggas while crusing around at 2kms forever.
Which is to say, yes, most (if not all) of the enjoyment from EVE comes from the meta rather than the actual actions.
>>332938096
It is much easier now.
As someone who fucked up early on and rolled minder, and just ran with it to Indy and exploration, what kind of stuff could I really do in EVE?
Is it possible to really play EVE without it feeling like a second job, due to mass organizing corp events and showing up?
>>332939030
If it's no fun, it's solely because of SP.
>space sim
>doesn't simulate gravity or space travel properly
I find it funny they wanted me to pay for this, let alone that people do.
i'll stick with Orbiter.
>>332941396
The only 'problem' with gravity is that the ship stops.
>change bases to 28 jumps away station with friend
>he cannot play anymore
>leave home base as old corps location for sweet orca boosts just in case
>get killed
>all my stuff is 28 jumps away
Moneys not the problem but fuck me.
>>332942747
Why not just put in a shipping contract and force some other player to haul it to you, if money isn't an issue?
>>332944695
its not enough stuff to bother to be honest, its just knowing its sitting out there is annoying.
>>332919387
>wanting to be a bridge bitch or float around in your space coffin
Anon pls. Titans are so niche it's ridiculous and having a Titan main is a waste of time.
>complain about taking too long for titans
>takes over 2 years to max mining barges
who designed this game
>>332945083
Oh, they knew what they were doing. Alt accounts are big business. Most people in my old corp had 3-4 alts, some more than 10
