Thoughts on this game?
I honestly liked it overall.
>>332914804
It is good. On par withPortaland I think much better thanThe Witnesswhen it comes to these stylized high tech puzzle games.
>>332915243
Haven't played the Witness, is it worth it?
>>332915292
Yes, its good. After an initial "what the fuck why is this a big game and not an iPhone app" shock you will "get it" and its fun till the end.
Loads of secrets to unlock, you can beat the game without solving even half puzzles.
Just keep in mind that despite the game being open world, there is a correct assumed order to do things. If you cant solve a puzzle, go somewhere else, there will be easier puzzles that teach you how to beat the hard ones.
>>332914804
goty 2015
>>332915470
I hear that you just "get it" a lot.
Is it some plot-related thing?
I stopped trying for the stars when I realized half of them were about jumping puzzle and the game doesn't have a fixed jump length, sometimes you'll jump like a elephant and sometimes you'll cross five meters in a single bound.
>>332915597
Cant explain it without spoiling it, and it was the best moment for me.
Its a game mechanic that isn't explained to you, and at one point you run into a wall, and you have to discover that game mechanic.
When you discover it, you go back all the places you've been and find out many ways to use that mechanic.
>>332915597
No, the plot is almost non-existent and it's actually some shitty 2deep5me. the "get it" part is about the puzzles and the mechanics and what makes them fun.
about the OP - Talos principle is a great game, loved it and the DLC, really wish there was more
>>332915734
I finsihed the game and almost finished the DLC and I have no idea of what you're talking about.
>>332915726
I think that's FPS dependant, actually.
>>332915786
We are talking about The Witness here, right?The "get it" moment is when you realize the puzzles arent just on the tablets, they are all around the world, and you have to move around to align half a tree to the sun so you can use it as a starting point to connect the clouds, etc.
>>332914804
I found it pretty boring. I played for like 2-3 hours, the puzzles were all piss easy, the aestehtics were brown and boring, the story pretentious and distubring from the actual game, and honestly i couldn't motivate myself to play it longer.
Portal 1/2 is lengths better than this.
but I read often that talos is supposed to be quite good, so w/e i have no clue
>>332915967
How was the story disturbing from the actual game?
I'm really just curious. I thought it was pretty interesting and somewhat fitting for this game desu
>>332915940
Ah, sorry, I misread the conversation.
>>332914804
really liked it, the learning curve is really well done and god some of these stars are very difficult to catch
[soiler] also i liked the "story", it waas food for the mind for me [/spoiler]
>>332916065
dunno, i just didnt get the point of all these terminals with all the crap written on them that doesnt relate to the game, like, at all.
they were bothering me.
also i found it tiring to figure out what are actual gameplay elements and what is just visual candy since the developers didn't really bother to make that clear
>>332916237
That's understandable, but most of the stuff written in the terminals ends up tying into the story somewhat in the end.
I'd really recommend giving it another shot.
>>332916237
The terminal stuff builds up for a while before you can make sense of it.
If you only played a bit of the game you wouldn't see its worth.
Regardless, the game is just puzzles and a story, so if you dislike the puzzles it isn't worth it replaying for the story.
>>332916512
>That's understandable, but most of the stuff written in the terminals ends up tying into the story somewhat in the end.
maybe i will. how long until it gets challenging though? Fot instance, i found it hard to remember all the loose ends where i had to go, but the actual puzzles were too easy.
>>332916726
I thought that after the initial introduction into the mechanics, there are easy and hard puzzles spread throughout.
I didn't feel the game was getting linearly harder, there were always easy and hard puzzles.
I thought much of the 'story' was a bit too preachy, but you could have some fun interactions with the computer terminals. While part of the 'story,' I did appreciate the tape recordings. It was nice to see how everything fit together, what happened, where you were, etc. over time.
I'm a sucker for ancient ruins, so the setting of this game was top notch for me. I especially enjoyed unlocking the messenger locations and exploring for easter eggs (in particular in one of the messenger areas, very curious easter eggs if you dig deep enough). I haven't done the DLC, but the star challenges (the challenges after you unlock the gates for sufficient stars) were very well done in my opinion. I enjoyed their areas and their challenges.
Overall solid game from me. I didn't play Witcher III or Fallout 4, but this was my GOTY 2015.
>>332916778
This.
There was that one puzzle in section A that I found incredibly mind-boggling, whereas there were puzzles in later areas that were piss-easy.
>>332915940
Are you retarded? that's not "wooo a secret" it's just a mechanic and it doesn't explain any kind of story like the anon asked.
Retard.
>>332917418
When did I say its a secret? I said its a "I get it" moment, because you discover a mechanic that wasn't introduced to you, and you go back and revisit old locations to find uses for it.
No need to be a bitter fag about it, lad.
>>332915726
Aren't pretty much all of the mandatory jumps aided through pre determined jumping locations?
You know, the ones where those orange footsteps appear?
cheesy story + music, mediocre aesthetics, okay puzzles. it's like a 6.5.
the witness is a masterclass compared to this thing.
>>332914804
Best game I played last year
It starts out too easy and doesn't ramp up in difficulty fast enough.
>>332917418
i'd kind of consider that a spoiler in a way, since it's actually really cool to start playing the game without any expectations and then slowly notice that stuff yourself
I liked it, but after a few hours the puzzles all started to feel a bit repetitive.
>>332914804
I liked it a lot.
I had a good time just chilling out playing it in parallel with my friend, it worked really well for that sort of thing. I might have gotten bored of it if I played it all alone though, it's hard to say. Really liked getting all the stars especially, it was fun to have all these puzzle rules established and then have to think totally outside them.
>>332915786
theyre talking about the witness
>>332919294
Sup Blow
>>332914804
One of the few indie games that handles philosophical themes well, without being pretentious of forced. Puzzles were great too.
I liked it, but I went through everything with a fine tooth comb so I don't really want to make another effort to go through it again.
>>332915940
>>332915734
Excepting it is the worst part of the game for me. I liked the real puzzles more than those ones, considering how tedious it is to complete them, and how worthless they are.
>>332921176
They are the whole fucking point of the game. Everything else is context for this part.
>>332919294
The witness is already overrated though. Half of the puzzles are fillers and 3 first hours are not about puzzles but observation. Before the swamp, the game is boring. And sadly, the best puzzle is near the end, and that's the only one which gave me an eureka moment.
>>332914804
If you complete every puzzle and just get to see the ending? It's pretty good but nothing special.
If you hunt down every star you can? There's no first person puzzle game that is on its level, trumps them by a long shot. Also Road to Gehenna is fucking brutal and I'd say it's better than the main game.
>>332921327
That doesn't make them enjoyable though. There's very little reflection in these puzzles. It is mostly understanding where is the start and where is the end. That has very little to do with logic.
Raw logic puzzle were way more enjoyable actually.
>>332914804
puzzle ways it was ok. I don't like puzzle games but this one kept me going till the end!
story wise this was like what the SOMA guys tried to do but with actually good writers. puts that treatment to shame imo.
>>332920910
The amount of easter eggs in it was amazing.
It's like one third of the game consisted of looking for them.
>>332921510
One of the puzzles has a start point the moon in one phase, and an end point the moon in another phase.
This is completed by starting an one hour documentary movie with a moon lapse, starting the puzzle in the first minute, holding the left mouse button for an hour, and ending the puzzle at the end of the documentary when the moon shifts.
This is very tedious, but it is also "creative" to figure out.
For other such puzzles you need to move statues around so they can form a circle with terrain, etc. There was one where you had to follow a boat on its patrol to complete it.
I only have one word for this game.
Overpriced.
Steam sales, sure. I get that. But who the fuck would pay that price for this nonsense?
>>332921719
That sounds incredibly autistic.
>>332921719
>>332921856
>This game respects you as an intelligent player and it treats your time as precious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZokQov_aH0
This guy thinks Blow intentionally made a game like that, because he knew that he would get praises and be called deep and artistic no matter what he does .
>>332921719
> "creative" to figure out
Not really. It was 100% obvious the moment the moon was shown. It even has sparkles from the front, which is a dead giveaway.
At least you can alt+tab away while that plays, but I found the whole ordeal pointless and worthless (and I'm not just talking about this particular "puzzle").
>>332921948
>There's no filler
kek
>discovering clues, regaining your memory
dual-wield kek
>>332916937
>>332916778
Agreed, at the end of the game, I had exactly 3 puzzles I hadn't finished, one in each zone. And I felt the biggest plus of this game was how much freedom you had in choosing what to do next, you literally have up to 20+ puzzles available to choose from at any point in the game.
The music is very soothing and fitting for the game too (I actually listen to it at work sometimes) and the visuals are pretty to look at.
While the story is great, it is 100% optional, you can finish the game without opening a single terminal.
To summarize, I think the game's biggest pro's are the fact that each zone has a huge variation in difficulty and the extreme level of freedom you have in choosing your next puzzle.
>>332914804
Some of the user-made maps make me shit myself in rage and frustration.
Orbital. The map in Yellow where you have to block 5 turrets.How the fuck do you do it?
Getting the jammer is a pile of ass because the platform is up barely too high for you to jump onto it. I'd assume you have to place the jammer in front of the laser that powers 3 turrets but THAT platform is up too high too. If you could do it though, your clone's jammer & your own could block the final 2 turrets.
>>332922492
>the platform is up barely too high for you to jump onto it
SPLIT MY LUNGS WITH BLOOD AND THUNDER
If something will be out of reach, make it obviously out of reach. If its just a very tiny bit out of reach, I will keep returning to it, trying again, making sure I didn't just fuck up before, etc.
Things should either be within reach, or twice as far or more. Blocks and fences that are 2% too tall to jump over are cancer.
>>332921434
Indeed, the DLC is 11/10 honestly. There is maybe 1 easy puzzle in the whole thing, everything else ranges from hard to pretty fucking hard. And the levels themselves are really beautifully put together.
Strangely enough, my favorite part about it was everything about the consoles, from the forum posting with the other robots (each having its own personality and way of writing) to the absolutely amazing text adventures(pic related).
The game's story is complete shite.
Muh free will
Muh consciousness
Muh human
Muh physical constraints and limits
Wow Such Abstract, Very Philosophy.
All of that is irrelevant bullshit.
Q. Can it solve puzzles?
A Yes: Good, solve 'em
A No: Disregard it
>>332922701
The greatest moment in the DLC and the game as a whole.
>>332922945
Also in the level where you save the Blacksmith (I think that was the name of the silent guy who just created beautiful games and art) you can actually find his lost creation that was hinted in one of the forum posts, and if you do it unlock you the biggest adventure text game. Pretty neat, managed to find it myself the first time.
>>332922610
It's on the threshold.
If your recording puts a box on the ground
Stands on a box
Holds a platform
Constantly spams jump
You have a box on the platform
You are on the box
You can't jump up directly, but you'll sometimes get the "Jump to here" prompt for like 20 milliseconds (1 frame, I assume?)
Of course if you just mash the everloving hell out of the jump button you'll get pushed off your bunnyhopping recording, but the timing is tight and finicky.
I finished it recently. I think there was like 3 puzzles I couldn't work myself. Overall 8/10 puzzle game. Needed more variety though and I dreaded the repeating ghost puzzles.
>>332922701
AYY LMAO
i liked the pink floyd easter egg
>>332923859
I always wondered what the PS4 version looks like.
>>332915940
What that's it? That's the twist? Are you fucking kidding me?
>>332924012
It's from a video on youtube. That star was hellish.
>>332914804
Pretty great.
Sam voice makes it amazing
I want to touch and lick some of the textures in the game.
>>332925780
But they are just reused Serious Sam assets.
Literally high resolution pictures of Egypt. Its what modders do to make Skyrim look good, while running at 14 fps.
>>332914804
Very much enjoyed what I played, but it lasted too long. Became tedious. Story was fun enough to keep me going but only for so long. Puzzles weren't necessarily bad, just that they all used really basic puzzle game mechanics.
>>332925848
Yeah, the snow levels were my favorite ones in SS3.
>>332926226
>Puzzles weren't necessarily bad, just that they all used really basic puzzle game mechanics.
You dont know what you are talking about. Portal and The Witness also use limited puzzle mechanics, because if there are too many the player is overwhelmed.
Having more, or more complex base mechanics on which to build puzzles would've made the game terrible.
>>332926304
>>332915292
Depends on the person. Just pirate it and see for yourself.
>>332926304
The Pyramids look amazing in winter.
>>332926304
Are you excited for Serious Sam 5?
>>332914804
It was funny to read how robots were trying to understand humans.
>>332914804
It was my GOTY 2015, and took Portal 2's place in my heart as the best puzzle game I've played so far. It is not the most challenging, and I prefer the Zachatronics games a lot. But it has a theme that deeply resonate with me. To the point that the last audio records made me cry. It is intelligent, well designed, and not pretentious despite the philosophy aspect, as the texts are just picked to get you interested, and not shoven in your face while telling you "see? This is the truth! Stop wanting what you want, so you can know what you want and then want it!"
WITNESS IS FUCKING SHIT BRO
TALOS PRINCIPLE IS GOD GAME. GOD TIER PUZZLES GOD TIER STORY. ELOHIM
>>332927229
That's Rome.
>>332927626
Do I have free will?
>>332914804
a lot of people play it only because of that cat
>>332927864
>a monster arena segment in the actual roman coliseum
>>332914804
I got bored and stopped halfway through in the egypt place.
Portal 2 is still my favourite puzzle game even if the puzzles are a joke because it's fun to just fuck around with portals and physics.
>>332915940
You never need to do that to progress though.
>>332916198
ctrl+s
>>332921370
Which puzzle is that?
>>332927229
>blowing your way through Vatican City and into the Vatican's archives that turn out to be Sirian
I'm fucking ready.
>>332928959
The moment I found out was when you have a very simple tablet, just a little snake figure, and you can only connect one end to the other. There are no angles or anything, just a line.
You do it and it doesnt work. You do it again, and it doesnt work. You look around and you see a river that looks the same as the line. You click on that river and you realize that the river is the board, not whats in front of you.
Thats when I realized it, and I think at least that one, and some others like the boat, are required to finish the game.
>>332928602
>Play the best game of the last 10 years
>Get bored
Sucks to be you famalam
>>332915735
An intelligent person know that is a clichè that you can understand from the first secondo of the game.
>>332929130The one at the bottom of the mountain. With the 4 puzzles letting you choose which forms you must draw in the bigger puzzle. Felt like a genius for beating it.
>>332929425For me it was the one on the pagoda. Took me hours to realize the puzzle had broken. I nearly came when I looked at the floor.
I liked reading the other bot messages. When I got to the end with The Shepard after playing the game following his messages with other that was a pretty cool moment.
D0G was best bot. Never discovered how his path ended.
I feel bad I had to cheat to figure out the triangles. Did anyone else do that?
>>332921637
The pink floyd easter egg was pretty rad
>>332921637
What's going on in that image?
>>332929285
>Oh shit space monkey
I was disappointed by the DLC. It was hard but it didn't feel rewarding.
>>332930737
Worked my ass off to get to that teleporting platform only to find out there was no star inside but a shitty easter egg.
>>332930916
>all the statues come to life and jump down to fight you
>>332931114
>shitty
it had cool music and atmosphere
fuck you
>>332929980
Play the DLC.
>>332930851
QR code by a bot that fell off the tower while painting it on.
IIRC it's a reference to the game's beta testing phase and it even says that it's too easy to fall off the tower when scanned.
>>332931076
It would be a shame if there happened to be a difficulty spike.
>>332930737
The composer seems to be a big fan of progressive rock.
>easter egg looks like the cover of Dark Side of the moon
>But sounds like Shine on you crazy diamond of the album Wish you were here
>There's a music track sounding like Epitaph of King Crimson in the medieval levels but slown down.
>>332931247
>mfw we don't even know if it will be announced at E3
Since D44M is shit I hope it will at least be shown this year.
>>332932162
Do Croteam even visit E3? I dont think they have before.
![konzert_32[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/q4halI5.jpg "konzert_32[1].jpg")
>>332931987
Unrelated, but reminds me of the Divinity composer who passed recently.
His work for vidya is mostly piano stuff, but in Eastern Europe he is known as the guy who brought rock music to the Soviet Union and later Russia.
He performed with all the big Russian rock and metal bands.
>>332932736
Devolver sure does.
>>332915292
i enjoyed it but $40 is kind of steep for what it is. wait for a sale or pirate it, probably only really worth $20
>>332915292
No it's not. The puzzles just aren't as fun compared to other open world puzzle games like The Talos Principle or Portal.
Most people praise it for the secrets you discover, but most of them don't even give you anything.
Haven't finished it but I like it so far, the tetromino puzzles are a pain in the dick though. Elohim's voice actor is good, and I enjoyed the Easter eggs and secrets so far.
>>332933526
>most of them don't even give you anything
Give you what, score points? Achievements?
You solve the puzzles for fun, thats the point of the game.
>>332915940
i agree with you that for me this was definitely a "holy shit" moment for me when i first discovered it since i was down to like my last laser at that point, but then once i realized how tedious they were to look for, i just gave up on them and finished the game without them
>>332933563
Have you found the glitchy patch in the grass where you fall in a cell and Elohim tries to rationalize its existence? I found it early in the game and it was amazing to experience, I only made more sense of it later as I learned more from the terminals.
>>332915292
Its incredibly deep and has many layers that you must peel away from the puzzles
>>332933648
It's hardly a "secret" when it's just a hidden corridor to a dead end.
They could give you an extra piece of information that adds to the story. A voice recording of someone or a collectable that could lead to a different ending when you have collected all of them.
If you're not gonna do that and all of the "fun" is in the puzzles, then you'd be better of without the whole open world.
>>332933648
Not him but I understand why he is complaining. The witness never gives anything for completing a puzzle or give you any time to recover. There's absolutely no weight to anything if not for the puzzles unlocking the video crap. And it is a shame because long series of puzzle make the whole series look like it is filled with filler puzzles. I would have prefered they removed half of the puzzles to give more importance to the other half.
I think it is why I had barely any fun for solving the puzzles if not for one of the final ones.
I need some time to pat my own back before trying the next puzzle. The witness doesn't give you this time or any satisfaction for beating a puzzle if not for the lasers, and the lasers itself are meh rewards.
>muh AI can feel
fuck off
>>332934616
>Not realizing you, right now, are an AI living in a simulation with no free will
Dumb fag
>>332934273
Its open world so you can walk into a hard puzzle, have no idea how it works, struggle a bit and move on. Then you see some concepts and mechanics explained in easier puzzles, and a light bulb goes off in your head, and you go do the hard puzzle.
Thats how it played for me at least. Maybe if you take a different path around the island things wont line up well. Didnt feel like the game was leading me to any particular direction, so I imagine if you get unlucky with the order in which you encounter puzzles you may feel disappointed.
>>332914804
Milton is a fag. So glad I deleted that fucker.
>>332934825
>Its open world so you can do things in the incorrect order and get confused.
This is exactly the problem. The game is open world, but punishes you for exploring. This would be half as annoying when the game wouldn't make it so unclear what route to take in the first place.
>>332935287
>>332935350
There are two games recently released that I liked, but got bad reviews because people failed to understand game mechanics.
One is The Witness, and the other is Darkest Dungeon.
In The Witness you have to understand that if you cant solve a puzzle you have to walk away from it and go do other ones. The solution to the puzzles too hard for you now are often locked in easier puzzles that introduce the new mechanics.
In Darkest Dungeon people failed to comprehend that you should retreat bad runs. I guess gamers arent conditioned to surrender when the fight is going bad. Losing rookies is fine. Surrendering to save veterans is fine. Walking away from hard puzzles to come back later is fine.
As I understood these concepts early I enjoyed both games.
>>332931987
Yeah, Damjan Mravujesushowdoyouspellthatname confirmed that himself in Youtube-comments.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/257510/discussions/0/618458030689632204/
