>soul memory is bad meme
You don't actually let souls go to waste, r-right?
Give me one good reason why soul memory is bad without resorting to anecdotal evidence or hypothetical situations that never happen. Even at 12 million sm you can still find people to play with in under 5 minutes.
The only reason you don't like it is because it's beyond your control and that scares you.
>>332777423
>No replies
I knew I was right and you guys didn't have any real reasons for hating soul memory.
>>332777423
I couldn't co-op with my friend even though we were the same level because he stayed up and played more and just saved his souls.
Anecdotal as hell but fuck you it ruined my fun
>>332777423
Because it arbitrarily ruins player-made PvP brackets and level-restricted builds.
>>332777423
How about first you give me a single reason Soul Memory is actually good or how it positively affects the game in any single way?
>>332778824
>player made pvp brackets
Retarded idea and shouldn't be left to the community
>level restricted builds
Agape ring
Dark souls 1 matchmaking was terrible and there's a reason why you need a third party launcher to even see any pvp. Putting in a level restriction lead to two things; ganking or the same 6 build being used ad infinitum.
Soul memory was good for not having any restrictions in the final bracket. Any level could fight any level and I liked that.
>>332777024
Fuck off retard.
>>332777024
>>332777423
>>332778285
Because you can't stop the flow of souls like you could halt leveling, unless you waste a ring slot which would be put to better use with a utility ring.
SM gets high enough, the pool of players you can invade or summon / get summoned by gets slimmer and slimmer until you finally have a hard time finding anyone.
SM was implemented to stop twinking, which it did, but at the cost of skewing player pools worse than level brackets did, because like previously stated, you can't totally stop soul gain without that shitty ring.
>>332778953
>can continously level up and so can your opponents, resulting in fighting progressively stronger players
>gives an advantage to people who played well/smart and didn't lose or waste souls
>incentive to keep playing well beyond completing the game
That's just off the top of my head. The only people who hate soul memory are casual babbies who want the game to be easier.
>>332779539
>muh hyper super duper hardcore gaem
Literally Bamco's target marketing audience. Commit suicide please.
>>332779414
>anecdotal evidence
Even at over 12 million sm, which is like 100 hours in, I could still find people with no issue. I highly doubt you ever broke into the top 10 brackets yet here you are parroting /v/s irrational fear of the boogeyman.
>>332779539
SM has no correlation to whether the game is easier or not, but your retarded posts defending it and justifying it certainly correlate to your level of mental retardation.
>>332779697
Go play skyrim faggot
>>332779414
>>332779701
Not running into any players isn't the problem.
Running into more and more characters with better everything than your character has the more you play that character is.
>>332779701
>anecdotal
>"Hurr you're not allowed to provide evidence unless it's evidence I like!"
First of all, learn what fucking words mean before you go slinging them around like a retard.
Second of all, they're completely correct. You're less likely to find people at 10mil~ SM than you are around 2-6mil.
It's not fun having to constantly make new characters to retain the ability to participate with other players.
>>332779798
>he thinks Dark Souls is hard
>>332778691
Did you try the gods engraved ring?
>>332779927
You'll find people, the problem is that they'll have shitloads of HP and stamina, and will liekly revolve their buidl around just endlessly spamming R1s with lightning resin while poise-tanking your attacks.
>>332779539
>can continously level up and so can your opponents, resulting in fighting progressively stronger players
That simply isn't true because Soul Memory takes into account souls that aren't retrieved when you die. Not only that but what if some poor bastard did nothing but spend all his souls on items and upgrading weapons he later finds out are shitty? More souls added to his SM that don't actually improve his character at all.
>gives an advantage to people who played well/smart and didn't lose or waste souls
Actually all it does is keep them in the same SM bracket as other people. Whether or not those people are of similar skill level (and more than likely are worse than them as they may have misspent some points or simply died and had them go down the drain).
>incentive to keep playing well beyond completing the game
How does it do that at all? The more you play the fewer players you're going to be able to be matched up with.
tl;dr you're a chode that doesn't know shit from fuck.
>>332779701
His example wasn't anecdotal, yours was.
You're officially retarded.
>>332779269
>determining the player Vs player environment shouldn't be left in control of the players
>>332777024
I liked that meme :^)
>>332779837
>he can't manage his souls properly
I bet you're voting for bernie
It kills fight clubs, which is basically what PVP is once the game has been out for more than a year or two.
>>332779539
>>can continously level up and so can your opponents, resulting in fighting progressively stronger players
Why would you want to? At some point every build will just be the same since everyone can do everything.
>>gives an advantage to people who played well/smart and didn't lose or waste souls
Losing and wasting souls still increases your soul memory.
>>incentive to keep playing well beyond completing the game
What incentive is that? Fight clubs and co-op are incentives to keep playing in all the other games without soul memory.
>>332779414
>unless you waste a ring slot which would be put to better use with a utility ring.
Oh please. 4 ring slots are pretty much overkill and never really needed - the 4th ring is usually just fluff or a minor boost.
Post a build that *needs* a 4th slot.
>>332780652
dsg still has regular fight clubs even more active than DaS.
>>332780691
>Why would you want to?
Because people tend to want to get stronger instead of being arbitrarily forced into a community meta at SL 20 or whatever and never be able to progress. With Soul Memory, when you get to a high enough level and feel like you want to stop, you put on a ring and that's it, but since SM has wide brackets at high levels, it ensures you being able to find multiplayer at all levels unlike DaS.
>Fight clubs and co-op are incentives to keep playing in all the other games without soul memory.
Funny you mention this, since DaS is dead in regards to fight clubs and co-op.
These are the only people who doesn't like soul memory
>twinks who gets off on fighting scrubs because they suck in an equal fight
>mother hens who gets off on helping scrubs long past the point of shoving them off to the deep end by themselves
So which one are you?
>>332777423
>beyond your control
If Soul Memory was a good mechanic or could be "fixed" to be a good mechanic, it would be in Dark Souls 3.
Ergo, eat shit.
>>332777024
Definitely one of the many things i hope they dont carry over from DaS2 to 3
>>332781253
Bonfire Ascetics were a good addition but they're not in Dark Souls 3, are they?
>>332781045
>DaS is dead
You can't be serious nigger, go check the fucking steam statistics
>tfw never lost a soul
>stomp kiddies all day in pvp
Most people on /v/ are neets who've never had a job. Of course they hate soul memory because they can't manage numbers.
>>332781069
>people who play online don't like soul memory
GEE I WONDER WHY
>>332781253
Because from has never made a bad design choice before, right?
>>332780071
wasting ring slots.
ishygddt
>>332779701
>I don't know what anecdotal evidence means.
>>332781753
>It's hard to find people in a bracket I've never been in!
>not anecdotal
Full retard
>>332781045
>Because people tend to want to get stronger instead of being arbitrarily forced into a community meta at SL 20 or whatever and never be able to progress
Soul memory or no, there's a point where leveling is pointless regardless of whatever the community meta is.
>but since SM has wide brackets at high levels, it ensures you being able to find multiplayer at all levels unlike DaS.
The problem with that is that players who lose lots of souls from dying might be in the same bracket as players who get lots of souls and use them wisely.
>Funny you mention this, since DaS is dead in regards to fight clubs and co-op.
Maybe because it's 5 years old?
>>332777024
>can't use a wide variety of weapons and armors unless you make a brand new character or you'll get matched up against people who are 200 level higher than you
>can only co op early bosses a few time unless you make a character specially dedicated to this one boss
>doesn't even solve twinking
>>332781253
If Soul Memory were good the devs themselves wouldn't have laid out the shittiest, most mindless, most band-aidiest piece of garbage "fix" for it anyone could have possibly conceived of, the fucking Agape Ring.
>>332780623
It has nothing to do with "managing my souls".
Souls PvP is fun because of the limitations that come with PvP soul level ranges. Being able to do and use everything on a single character gets boring extremely quickly, but that's where I'm heading if I "manage my souls properly", rather than staying at a certain level.
So since soul memory is gone in 3, what's the meta level cap going to be?
>>332781887
an·ec·dote
ˈanəkˌdōt/
noun
noun: anecdote; plural noun: anecdotes
a short and amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.
"told anecdotes about his job"
synonyms: story, tale, narrative, incident; More
an account regarded as unreliable or hearsay.
"his wife's death has long been the subject of rumor and anecdote"
the depiction of a minor narrative incident in a painting.
Is there an anecdote in that other post?
>>332781439
>adding new stuff to NG+ and then making NG+ completely obsolete was a good addition.
>>332782323
Yes because it's just conjecture based off assumptions rather than lived evidence.
>>332781669
I play online. You're just a whiny bitch.
>>332782264
If DS1 or Demon is any indicator around the SL100/120 mark.
>>332782264
We'll see. If it's anything like 1, probably 120.
I think the meta in 2 was 160 or 180 or something, but then we learned it didn't matter because of SM.
>>332782264
Probably 120 again, if not more because the retarded playerbase has no idea why SL meta was set at 100 for Demon's Souls in the first place. They have even ruined that now and everyone's doing 120 instead.
>>332782519
Meta for 2 is 150
>>332782463
>it's just conjecture based off assumptions
So it's not an anecdote then.
>>332782519
Meta in 2 is 150/160 because of adp
>>332782589
That's right. Just logged in to my character and he was at 155.
>>332782629
Does being retarded hurt? Legit question.
If there is a way to freeze SM then there isn't too much of a issue.
The problem is after the first month or so after the game comes out you have less and less people playing. Sure you can go to fight club locations, but normal invading and summoning can start becoming a bitch especially in areas after midgame. In DS if I wanted to invade or be summoned in a certain area. I looked up the average level of the area and made my build. With SM in DS2 I had to carefully plan a build down to the route and minimum souls so that I could stay in the SM range I wanted until I am eventually forced out.
>>332782790
I dunno, you tell me.
>>332782968
If I knew I wouldn't be asking. Wikipedia doesn't say anything on it.
>>332783046
Not him, but are you suggesting that conjecture is the same as an anecdote? Because it looks like that's what you're saying, which would make you retarded.
>>332782880
But muh Agape Ring, muh shitty useless band-aid fix for a terrible mechanic that wasn't added in until almost a year after the game's launch!
If you hadn't been such a shitter and waited to play the game you wouldn't whine about it so much.
I unironically liked soul memory. I never played long enough to end up in a bracket that affected me anyway.
>>332783407
Are you suggesting conjecture based off assumptions isn't the same as hearsay?
>>332783437
So you like a mechanic that you never actually had to deal with the consequences of?
>>332783704
Negative consequences, yes.
>>332783654
Hearsay and anecdotes aren't the same thing either.
>stops me from getting to play with my friend
>needlessly makes you fight harder online opponents even if you lost the souls
>negates fun area-specific builds because eventually you won't have anyone to invade
>is stupid
this shit BETTER not be in DS3.
>>332783798
So what about it did you actually like? In what way did it improve your game experience?
>>332781748
just equip agape and god ring
find friend
once joined to friend, switch them out
its not that hard holy shit
i co-opped the whole game that way
>>332783806
Why don't you read your own definition, retard.
>>332783882
DaS3 kinda has it it's based on your highest upgraded weapon now.
>>332783938
Every pvp match I had was fair and well matched, unlike the first game.
>>332784008
I'm fine with that, because I can control it.
It doesn't stop me from staying in one area I like to fuck with players as long as I don't upgrade my weapon.
smell yir maw
>not rushing to the agape ring with under 30k soul memorysoul memory is still a shit system though
>>332784101
Did you PvP regularly at all? Is this only counting invasions? Do you have any kind of estimation how many fights you got into? How close to release was this?
I'm genuinely curious because I never see people actually say "I actually liked SM because [reasons]" its always just "SM is great and you're a shitter if you think otherwise".
>>332777423
>get x amount of souls
>die
>die again without getting bloodstain
>you forever lose those souls and they get added to your SM, essentially gaining nothing and ruining your SM
>>332784645
>Find weapon you like
>Spend a bunch of souls upgrading it
>Find a better one later on/find out the weapon you like is actually shit for one reason or another
>The souls spent on that first weapon are just gone now but still add to your SM total
Not to mention every consumable you choose to buy is just throwing souls down the SM toilet besides.
>>332784008
are you fucking kidding me? can we just stop these faggot restrictions from?
>>332777024
A better system would be for the game to calculate how many souls a character's level AND EQUIPMENT equal to, and pairing them up with people of a similar number. It should also calculate ALL of the player's inventory ( like spare weapons or rings. )
>>332777024
*sweats*
>>332785058
But that's a good restriction. It stopped OP twink builds, but still allows good players to invade newbies.
>>332777024
Oh look, it's that thread again
>>332784885
>>332784645
The SM brackets at higher levels get so wide that wasted souls literally don't matter. At 3M SM the matchmaking bracket is anywhere between 2M and 5M. Se even if you're fucktarded enough to somehow waste a million souls on your way to SL200 you're still going to be in the exact same matchmaking bracket as would have been if you didn't die a single time.
>>332784559
This was just a couple months ago. I invaded and was invaded multiple times. Don't have a real solid figure for you though.
>>332785183
ive killed most shitter twinks on my new builds and theres no reason to restrict it cause all of you fags are baddie crybabies
>>332785058
What's wrong with it? It lets people at certain points in the game play with each other regardless of their level or what other equipment they have and it stops twinking because low level players with strong weapons can't invade new players.
>>332785289
That just makes SM entirely pointless then.
>>332785063
I actually like this idea. But instead of counting inventory items it should just count your equipment (could easily be exploited) but not allow you to swap anything out for like 30 seconds after damaging someone.
>>332785348
yes. you killed shitter twinks on your new builds, proving that better players always win. So, there's absolutely no reason to have a 10+ assfucker sword if you're a better player invading a newb.
>>332779414
>SM was implemented to stop twinking, which it did
>which it did
kek
Maybe in the Forest of the Fallen Giants. Anywhere else is free game to twinks, honestly. The agape ring only requires 30k soul memory after all.
>>332785474
So then why do you hate it, again?
>>332785289
This is mainly dealing with a person's first run of the game, the one where they're experimenting and just learning things. And the one that is mostly to get the Dick from Soul Memory the hardest because of a variety of reasons.
This is also probably the reason most people come from DS2 disliking SM.
>>332780870
Pretty much any full physical Flynn's Ring glass cannon build needs that shit pretty bad.
>>332785474
It still solved the problems of low level invaders with high level gear.
>>332785589
Good response but if I wanna invade and kill low level player in a low level area there shouldn't be any restrictions on that as long as my guy meets the low level requisite
>>332785669
Because before it gets pointless it doesn't help at all. A low level player who loses 50,000 souls from dying and buying lots of consumables is no different then someone doing a low level run who spends 50,000 souls on upgrading and maybe buying equipment.
Soul memory = no low level trolling so it can go to hell
>>332786027
But you and I both know that's fucking retarded because level means far less than weapon upgrading in these games. you can do a soul level 1 run easily in dark souls.
But if you suddenly pull out a super upgraded megasword and wear heavy-ass upgraded armor with a huge shield, it's still bullshit.
Just get good and stop relying on op equipment, fag.
>>332786481
I'm not relying on equipment for shit I'm the best dark souls player in the world
I just don't want From trying a new way to restrict something for this or that reason and they just shit up the perfect minimal intervention philosophy that was in DS1's multiplayer
>not using cheat engine to make character builds instead of relying on soul memory / not losing souls in PvE to get to 150
honestly i don't understand some of you people. why not just download CE, it takes 10 minutes to learn how to do and 15 minutes to create an entire build with the gear that you want.
if you really wanna be completely fair, you can do what i do. just spawn yourself some souls and use them to upgrade weapons and buy items so it goes to your SM instead of spawning the items out of thin air.
i mean, a lot of people do this and if you play DS2 just for the pvp then you should too if you have at least half a brain.
>>332786851
>why do you play the game you fuckin nerds
>>332777423
>it's beyond your control
congratulations, you named the flaw with SM
>>332786743
Good. Since you're the best I'm sure you're fine with using equipment that's roughly equal in use to those in the area you're invading, thus making sure it's an even playing field, and the best player really wins instead of some fucking faglord jumping in with an endgame character and tanking damage.
>>332786851
>hurr durr why don't you just cheat
>>332787043
It's purely a difference in opinion but you seem to have some ass damage lingering from people invading you and fucking you up
you want to get rid of situations like some twink or cheat engine faggot invading your world and you kick them off a ledge?
>>332787298
I have never been sour about invasion, I'm just saying that from a perspective of balance, this is the change that soul memory should've been in the first place.
dark souls 2 is literally better than dark souls 1, solved all the problems with the first game and more
>>332787889
>she
>>332785474
>That just makes SM entirely pointless then.
It solved twinks. Hell, DaS2 in general was a huge improvement balance wise due to making pyromancy scale and removing non-scaling upgrade paths that allowed putting all your levels into health and stamina while still dealing end-game tier damage.
Like everyone else in the thread, this is just my personal experience but I never experienced getting locked out of online due to raising my SM too high even with many fuck ups and lost souls. DaS2 has plenty of problems regarding Blue covenant mechanics (hard time finding sinners and no one uses the scrub covenant for defensive invaders), but it's really easy to find people to play with in co-op or any other PvP covenant.
>>332788135
Twinks are awesome, fuck you
>>332777423
How about fuck you you double nigger
There was a glitch in my game where the cunt pristes that was suppose to turn the gears to let me go to Huntsman's Copse nvever showed up and as a result i couldn't go to bowsers lava castle so i had to grind souls to complet the game.
Guess what people invade my game.
That's right people well over my actual level since i didn't want to go over 150SL.
and i got fucking destroyed as a result
I also couldn't co-op with my buddy
So go fuck yourself.
Im so glad that shit is gone
Whats soul memory?
Is this in ds3?
>>332788492
Boku no pico faggot
>>332788564
Suck a nigger dick, while your mom watches cuckboi
>>332786281
There is no reason why anyone should be carrying that many souls around, youre a retard if you do.
>>332788723
I didn't mean all at once, obviously nobody actually does that unless they've just killed a boss or something.
lolniggersouls
Can someone explain soul memory to me?
>>332788420
All you had to do was use an ascetic on majula and she would've returned.
>>332788859
And if you just killed a boss theres a bonfire up ahead, theres bonfires everywhere. If you die theres a bonfire nearby, its not that damn hard to keep your souls
>>332777024
>want to use thrown or consumable items in PVP? Too bad, enjoy inflating the fuck out of your soul memory!
>playing for the first time experimenting with various weapons and armors? Fuck you, enjoy inflating your SM!
>want to co-op with your friend but don't want to waste a slot on a save that you can ONLY ever play at the same time as your friend and can't do any other PvP or co op with? Go fuck yourself, this is a serious and balanced competitive game as you can tell by us nerfing every weapon/spell in existence besides one-handed swords
>>332778953
Because it stops twinks from exiating and those are beyond his control and scare him.
>>332788951
http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/soul+memory
http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Summon+Range+Calculator
tl;dr attempt to prevent twink builds
>>332788953
She doesnt
He was probably too retarded and didmt finish her convo and as such she never went to majula
>>332777024
There's literally nothing wrong with twinking.
If you don't like it, stay offline or stay hollowed. Better yet, go straight to a summon or boss without dicking around.
If you pansies weren't bitching about it, we wouldn't have gotten Soul Memory in the first place.
>>332780212
Fuck off Fitzgerald. YOU KILLED MY BOY
>>332782383
>being able to beat a specific boss repeatedly without having to play the whole game again is a bad idea
>>332781045
>waste a ring slot to turn off an objectively shit mechanic that even the devs know is shit
>someone invades and breaks your equipmemt
>you literally cannot repair it
Amazing game design
>>332789324
>you guys are alright, dont go to Drangleic tomorrow
Nice meme dude xD upboat
>>332781069
The people here who like Soul Memory:
>BAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW I GOT KILLED BY A TWINK THUS GAME SUCKS
>>332777423
I require to be invaded at least 5 times an area and at least one area that is MANDATORY to go through to be protected by its own dedicated fuck you force. In DS1 that happened. In ALL of DS2 I was invaded once. Just once. To get my online jolly's I was forced to sit around doing nothing as a bell fag or a rat fag. I dont want to be the invader and I fucking hate fighting in the same area over and over.
Since I got what I want from DS1 and not DS2 I am forced to blame all the changes in DS2 from DS1 soul memory is one of them.
>>332789579
>DaS2 faggotry
The only way to twink is SL1 at Anor Londo.
>>332779701
>He thinks 12 mil is a lot
Good for you skippy
it's prbably higer because this is a old screenshot i had. I don't play this dead game anymore but i remember not getting matched with anyone after i hit 14mil
>>332781558
>plays video games all day
>calls everyone else a neet
Is there anything more pathetic than twinks trying to act tough? In DaS1 all of you just looked up a strategy guide on how to break the game in the easiest possible way and how to find the well hidden PvP covenants while staying low level. Then after you grinded enough for max pyromancy flame and lightning / fire / chaos weapons you go one shot low level players in Undead Parish without running the risk of getting invaded by other twinks yourself since you already cleared the area boss in your own world.
There's almost zero challenge involved, and the little challenge there is comes from the single player portion of the game. You're just bitches crying about losing their humongous handicap.
>>332788953
>>332789191
What part of "Glitch" go you retards not understand?
She didn't return anywhere after i first met her in Hide.
She just disappeared
No tombstone, no nothing
>>332790459
Same thing happened to me with cale. I used an ascetic and he reappeared.
>defending soul memory
Must be spring break with all you retards here
>>332777024
If you start as a class that has lower base level you will forever be behind in soul memory for the same level.
>>332777423
It makes archer builds and hexes that uses souls less viable.
>>332790568
Well then you must be one lucky fuck because i tried everything and she still didn't show up.
I even asceticed places where i thought she might have went
>>332777423
I got invaded ONCE on my first playthrough. ONCE.
Its a fucking shitty system. It stops people playing against each other properly because if you spend too much time killing shit, you cant get invaded properly.
It totally kills low level invasions. Its beyond shit.
>>332790693
Normal people don't post on this board it's just 15 year olds who will argue any point to get into an argument
