Is there a chance we'll ever learn what Nomura's vision was?
>le light vs darkness
>>332711129
It was probably shit and too time-consuming to realize.
>>332711129
>tfw Stella got cut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er_yEIE2I2o
>>332711129
Maybe, but regardless i'm glad we're getting a complete game instead
>>332711129
Why couldn't SE have just let Versus die. Kingsglaive could have even been about the main storyline of Versus instead of some prequel thing to appease the people who wanted it. Now we have to wait another 5-10 years to see a new FF concept, we have been stuck on Nova Crystallus for the past ten years now.
>>332711129
>that fucking Sasuke design
pssh...nothing personnel...kid...
>>332711776
It came before Sasuke fag.
>>332712039
>Naruto (anime) - 1999
>FF: Versus XIII - 2006
fucking dumbass
>>332712039
KH3 obviously
>>332711129
everyone is Noctis, and everyone who isn't Noctis was actually Stella, however than it turns out that Stella herself was already half Noctis.
>>332711129
The atmosphere and setting were definetly more darker and metropolitan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIx9VJWSl8
I'd kickstart the fuck out of a book about the entire Fabula Nova Cristalis development.
>>332712546
I'm still looking forward to the game, but they really seem to have toned down the "Fantasy based on Reality" aspect by a lot.
It's probably not drastically different from the final product but Square-Enix releases an Ultimania book after release disclosing the development process and beta information
>>332712670
Yeah really sad, but im glad they kept the Kingdom/Dynasty concept.
The new one also has a deep friendship theme which i like .
>>332712670
>>332712546
My money's on them cutting the city out of the story entirely. Tabata said that it will appear "in some form", and that form is almost certainly going to be a boss rush arena a la Olympus in KH1.
Fuck Tabata.
>>332712941
When was the last book? I legit forgot that Ultimania was a thing.
>>332712945
The "roadtrip" aspect was always there, it's simply getting more focus now.
>>332711129
I really miss the original Regis design. That guy was so suave.
>>332713161The old regis design will be reused for an older noctis
>FFXV needs to sell 10 million to be successful
Why the fuck are they spending money hiring Hollywood actors for voice acting, making a movie, anime etc?
>>332711129
Stella's design was great, oh well...
>>332712546
I just realized something. This trailer:
>King Regis asserts that he will be the last king.
Everything since:
>Everyone, including Regis, is telling Noctis that he needs to take up his mantle as king.
They literally flipped the entire story on its head. Seriously, FUCK Tabata.
>>332713367
They're gonna market it hardcore and make FFXV it's own brand, therefore making that dough.
>>332713367
Because they want it to sell 10m dollars. Since they're so deep in, might as well try and build something big out of it.It's going to be Square Enix's ARTPOP and it's going to be hilarious.
>>332711129
A belt strapped to a human face, forever
>>332713471
In the Versus trailer he was talking that before shit went absolutely down
>>332713476
MGSV tried that and "flopped" too, anon.
>>332713506
I just don't get it. Not making a movie and not hiring Hollywood actors would save so much money. At least the anime is cheap.
Are there any video games where the main character's love interest is the antagonist?
>>332713792
It looked more like a visual representation of a monologue where he's explaining his intentions to free Noctis of the responsibility of (and deathwish that is) being a king. Like a Shakespearean aside.
>>332712670
Ever since they said Stella was cut and more details got revealed that Tabata effectively scrapped and restarted the entire thing, I've been wanting this.
I'd pay really really good money for it if were real.
>>332714015
Just about every Naruto game.
>>332714324
And to think some of them are actually good.
>>332711129
Kinda bummed out we never will get Nomura's original vision. Versus XIII was looking dark and more realistic. XV seems more light hearted and less realistic. Still going to buy XV day one (I invested literally a decade into this fucking project) but it still hurts we won't see what Nomura truly wanted Final Fantasy to be
>>332711129
>tfw we were going to have a Romeo and Juliet type of plot where the heroine actually needs to fight the hero and it would probably end up with one of them dying, maybe both
I bet the plot was going to be mature and depressing but then they chose to pander to casual players who are the majority nowdays and completely changed the plot to something more happy and average.
>>332711129
Some Shakespearean tragedy that wouldn't have been impactful nor original.
Star crossed lovers destined to fight to the death.
>>332714464
I wanna see Nomura do some other games on the side while he does KH. He could drop a few gems after 3 and come back in 30 years for the next saga.The announcement of then next saga that is. The actual game will come out 7 years after that.
>>332714281
As much as I'm interested in what happened during the XV overhaul, I'm most interested in why Versus XIII couldn't get done in a timely manner. SE has a potential cash cow in the works but they keep throwing Nomura on shitty KH handheld gaidens, and then they announce FFXIV BEFORE XIII is even released. What was going on?
I remember that E3 and thinking that the announcer had made a huge mistake, saying XIV instead of XIII.
You really want to? Word is after he saw Les Miserables, he was dead set on starting over and making it a musical.
>>332711715
They kept the etro connections?
>>332714464
Versus actually looked visually brighter, with a lighter narrative overtone hiding deeper, darker undertones. XV seems the opposite, wearing drab visuals and dour characters on its sleeve but promising us that it's lovey-dovey STAND BY ME on the inside. Like it wants to be tough but can't manage it, except occasionally with embarrassing overkill. In a word, "edgy."
>>332715314
>Tripfag spouting random garbage
April fools faggot, step up and write something of worth instead.
>>332715271
>why Versus XIII couldn't get done in a timely manner
It was originally gonna be developed in tandem with XIII but problems with Crystal Tools made them prioritize XIII since it was more important.
>>332715520
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/06/nomura-wanted-to-turn-final-fantasy-xv-into-a-musical/
>>332711413
What, really? Why?
>>332715830
That's clearly a joke. Nomura loves to troll the fuck out of people. You not familiar with his interviews? He's always laughing and answer questions that only leave further questions
>>332715372
No clue probably not its not technically a Nova Crystallis game anymore I'm just annoyed we're still on these concepts we've known about for a decade now.
>>332715701
FF XIV failure killed it the entire Versus dev team had to go work on XIV to help save it.
>>332712546
I really miss the mob family vibe they were going for in Versus which seems completely gone in XV.
>>332715372
Not anymore.
"Wait... I remember your name now. You're Final Fantasy XV!"
>>332715830
>Final Fantasy: Atlantica Redux
>>332713605
Looks more like a jockstrap.
>>332716215
>FF XIV failure killed it the entire Versus dev team had to go work on XIV to help save it.
This is what I'm thinking, but i want confirmation.
>>332715701
I heard that XIII's protracted dev meant that they couldn't make the engine as general purpose as they'd have liked to. I put that squarely at the feet of the old guard at Square who resisted the new battle system. What we got was watered down because they couldn't let the ATB go.
>>332715271
XIV's timing and development was also pretty shitty pre-ARR.
Something about SE's management at the time was just fucked. Isn't Nomura hopping all over projects both a result of him wanting to do too much and SE being slow as shit making his games?
Does anyone remember that talk about Versus's real-time vs pre-rendered cutscene stuff? How they were having trouble just developing the more interactive, real-time parts on PS3?
I figure that, the reduced amount of staff assigned, Square's stance on Crystallis after XIII and Nomura working on his other stuff all caused development hell on Versus.
So basically no single reason, just like /v/ kept saying after that E3.
STAND BY ME
>>332716718
I remember Nomura saying at some point that XIII was 13% complete and that VsXIII was 1.3% complete, and later that they kept taking his staff to work on other things, which is why each trailer was basically recycled 2 or 3 times with about 5 seconds of new content each go around.
They really looked to have hit their stride in 2011. I don't know why they didn't just let him finish it then. It could have been the PS3's swan song instead of something we might maybe get halfway into the PS4's life cycle.
>versus based off hamlet
>XV is based off ????
>>332717798
Harold and Kumar
>>332717883
Sounds good desu
>It's a "we take a hypothetical scenario and assume it would've been any better than what we got" thread
>>332717798
>>332717883
>Not "Stand By Me"
So who's gonna get run over by a train?
>>332718141
>Implying KH isn't better than Type-0
No need for hypotheticals.
>>332718152
Hopefully Prompto
>>332718249
>implying KH, Type-0, and XV are even REMOTELY comparable
>>332718497
>Implying they aren't
>>332718678
Alright, I'll just play Type-0 and Platinum Demo as if I was playing Kingdom Hea-
OH FUCKING WAIT
>>332711129
Literally rehashing Shakespeare with a Tokyo Gothic setting with some Medieval and Futurist thrown in.
>>332719450
you're saying that like it's a bad thing.
>>332718928
They're similar yet different enough that one can compare each experience. KH is easily the most fun to play of the "action-rpg with weird FF elements" games.
>>332719450
I'll throw money at whoever actually makes this fucking game. As long as it's not BAMCO.
>>332719450
I'd go for that. I liked the tone of the early trailers and then stopped following it after awhile. Rehash what works, give it it's own cool thematic spin and put it into a video game. It's not like the medium is brimming full of great, original ideas anyway.
>>332711129
we already know, it's just a matter of research that most people don't bother doing.
For example few people know that Nomura planned to have 3 active controllable party members. Now he moved that concept to FFVIIR.
Or that the weapon deck system was made by nomura but then he decided to change it to manual weapon switching, and then Tabata changed it back to the deck system when he took over. Of course now we have the manual system again.
Lots of info about the gameplay, especially in 2013 interviews by Nomura.
Plot wise we only knew the prologue of the game which is now deleted and the base concept of the story which is pretty much the same.
I really want to know how much of the story has been changed. It seems like when they rerevealed it as FFXV back in 2013 it was still based on the original concept, but now that apparently its not part of FNC I want to know just how much was changed or removed aside from Stella being replaced with Luna.
Honestly though I'm still looking forward to this.
>>332721220
a lot has changed, and yes in 2013 the game was the same, Tabata was lying in 2014 when he said that the game changed direction when he joined in 2012, it was PR talk.
>Nomura E3 2013
"Versus 13's renaming to 15 is a surprise in part because, over the past half-decade or so, Nomura mentioned once or twice in interviews that the game's story and content was possible precisely because this wasn't an "official," i.e. Roman-numeraled, Final Fantasy. However, Nomura doesn't see this as a problem. "When we started talking about the shift to FF15," he said, "we discussed with the company about whether it was really okay considering we had action-based battles and all these other things we tried to do because it wasn't a numbered title. That was not a problem for them, so our direction hasn't changed."
"Although the game has changed it’s name and platform, the story is still entirely the same. The story and characters will not change from their current versions. However, as the 'A World of the Versus Epic' hints at in the end of the trailer, FF15 ends with a climax, but we plan to continue the story. That's something we have in mind as we complete the game."
>Tabata 2014
i joined the project in July 2012, we also decided at that point to change platforms and rename the game to FFXV, changing the direction of the project."
The base concept and the skeleton of the story is the same, meaning a prince fighting to take back his kingdom. It is safe to say that everything else changed, some in small and some in a big way.
For example in versus Lucis kingdom worshiped Death gods and a skull was part of their symbol.
This has been removed because they want to hit a 13+ teen rating.
Basicaly Nomura was allowed to do whatever the fuck he wanted with his game but since he was moved over to FFVIIR, Tabata had to work with restrictions such as "cut the sequels, change the story to fit in one game, make it less dark and less bloody"
>>332721936
>For example in versus Lucis kingdom worshiped Death gods and a skull was part of their symbol.
>This has been removed because they want to hit a 13+ teen rating.
