Why did it fail?
>>332701783
It didn't.
It's my favourite 2D fighter and the only place where I can be Taskmaster.
>>332701783
>6 months between versions
>degenerated metagame
>loss of access to dlc characters and costumes
Beats me
>>332701783
Why is it that the bigger a fighting game's roster is the fewer viable characters/teams there are?
>We'll be able to provide content and balance updates via the internet, to ensure that everyone has the same version for the game's entire life!
>Never mind!
The gameplay was dragged down by terrible roster balance, shitty broken system mechanics like X-factor and TAC infinites, and combos so long you could make a three-course meal in the time you had to wait one out.
The metagame is already completely homogenized and stale in like a third of the time it took MvC2 to reach that point. And MvC2 can still be exciting to watch unlike MvC3. The fact that people can unironically find Hulk/Haggar buttonmashing exciting is testament to how terrible the meta has become.
The vanilla game was very clearly rushed out the door, in fact they admitted as much so that it could get into EVO. Completely barebones in terms of modes and Ultimate barely improved on that (at least it added lobbies, IIRC vanilla didn't even have that). I know people will go ">story in fighting games" but they DID promise a tie-in story of some kind when it was first announced.
Also Ultimate was announced barely a half-year later that got the amount of backlash it deserved.
Also the blatant omission of characters a lot of people liked, like Megaman and Venom.
Also losing the Marvel license guaranteed that none of this would ever get fixed in the future. You also can't even access the DLC characters anymore.
I wanted to like it, I really did. But anything that's good about it gets weighed down like mad by all of the bad shit. I still play it on occasion but I can see why it's on it's deathbed.
>implying
I'm glad it's at EVO again this year
MAHVEL BABEY!
It's not noob friendly.
I myself don't like the game because at high level play the combos get so big that you practically might as well put your controller down and watch.
It's 2016 and still pulling number for big tournaments anon. It didn't fail at all.
If it wasn't for Disney and Capcom not renewing contracts (or whatever the fuck happened) it would be even bigger, and a Marvel 4 would definitely happen.
>>332703846
Why do they even bother, top 8 is almost always the same thing.
>>332703564
Because less balance and time in each character, should be pretty obvious.
Bad publicity
Capcom should put a restraining order on this guy. He's about to ruin SFV too.
the fgc
>>332702432
It's not the only game where you can play Taskmaster.
>>332704284
Isn't that the lead singer for Nickelback?
>>332701783
They somehow made the roster as uninteresting as possible.
Phoenix Wright and Rocket Racoon are cool tho.
>Hawkeye on the cover front and center
>HAWKEYE
>HAWK
>EYE
>>332704284
>>332705112
Eh, you got me. I just really hate the guy is all.
>>332701783
it is still at evo
>Marvel is too busy rolling on the iOS dosh to renew Capcom's license
>No new characters or patches ever
>>332704986
>They somehow made the roster as uninteresting as possible.
Wat
It's actually a phenomenal roster, especially considering all they couldn't use.
Cause Phoenix Wright is too good
I literally bought this just for the appeal of playing as my main man in the fighting game, beating the crap out of freaking the Hulk or Spider Man or GALACTICUS
Phoenix Wright for life.
>>332705510
Too many newcomers and not enough veterans ruined it though
Lack of balance patches, really. Some tweaks here and there on the top tiers would increase the lifespan of the game greatly. People would look for crazy setups and shit with other teams instead of just going with broken point/crazy assist/Vergil.
What has to be done in order to get an update? Are the problems mostly disney related or Capcom related?
>>332701783
X-factor, terrible balance, no more patches thanks to no license, needing way too much effort to be average at it.
>>332705774
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/mar/22/capcom-expired-contract-means-we-cant-create-or-alter-umvc3-content-marvel-says-fans-will-have-wait-and-see-combining-universes/
>no mega man
>no venom
>jill is dlc and is based on re5
I think it's pretty fun. The game has retarded balance but you can use your favorite available character even if they're shit as long as you surround them with top tiers like Doom/Vergil.
>>332705806
>going to the MvC series expecting balance
Nigga that's like going to Thailand and expecting the prostitues to be women and of legal age.
>>332705698
Most of the characters in MvC2 were like, throwaway X-Men that no one even really cares about anymore. Like Silver Samurai.
>>332701783
Former high-skill player here. Wasn't pro but I held my own in tournaments.
The issue is the fighting engine itself. Simply the way it's designed just leads to tiers becoming solidifed and mechanics becoming exploited. It's very hard to balance a game where nearly every character is killed in one combo and you only need a single mixup to setup the same exact character killing combo.
The game is fun, no doubt about it, and an amazing casual fighting game if both players have some skill. However in terms of competition, the power gap is too great for it to work in a professional setting. Why play any team that's not Morridoom or doesn't have Vergil/Zero?
It could have been like Third Strike, where every character is good because the engine makes everyone good (parries, ect.) But unfortunately special moves of some characters just made the game rediculous.
Isn't Morrigan like really good?
How come you don't see her as much as vergil/doom?
>>332704284
what did he do?
>>332706485
ALTHOUGH (samefag here), some of the old characters like Cyclops and SonSon were missed.
>>332702432
Play Marvel Heroes. Taskmaster is in that. He's OK, not great. Rogue is still my favourite. I gave up levelling up thou when I got to Black Widow.
>>332706568
Ignoring the execution barrier, safe Soul Fist spam is actually really fucking hard against people who have practiced exploiting holes in the pattern.
>>332706578
Look up "mvc3 Assist Me"
He also ran SFxT into the ground (not that he needed to)
He's just retarded in general
>>332707120
I remember when people were so hype for SFxT. Those poor fools.
![17_chrisgtheproblem[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JcA5FnK.jpg "17_chrisgtheproblem[1].jpg")
>>332706568
You just said one of the best players team already. Morridoom/Vergil
And there are other people who do play Morridoom but like >>332707112 said it's more work to put into it than something like wolverine/doom/vergil
Part of the reason why Doom/Vergil is so good is because of the low execution and you still get highly rewarded for almost anything you do
>>332707609
Maybe Chris G is one of the reasons marvel is dying
But it seems unlikely
>>332707376
It's upsetting to think that we happened to get a good (in concept) crossover with two of the largest fighting game franchises, but it had to be made by 2012-era Capcom. Game could've been the next CvS3, but they just shat all over it instead and now the only redemption it'll get is when TekkenXStreet Fighter releases, and most people won't play that because most 2D fighting game players can't play Tekken.
>>332703687
>The metagame is already completely homogenized and stale in like a third of the time it took MvC2 to reach that point.
possibly because it had three times the playerbase, and existed in an era where tech was 3 times easier to share
>>332708154
I'm looking forward to TxSF myself, though I know I'll suck at it since I only play 2D fightersand Smash.But it'll be a fun game to play casually. I do hope they fuck off with the gem bullshit though.
I also hope they make a SFxT2 one day, just again, without the p2w bullshit. It was a good game just not executed as well as it could've been.
>>332707889
Chris G is one of the best with his lame play but if he was one of the major reasons why the game is dying it would have been a few years ago when he was nearly unstoppable. People have been beating him in tournaments more now and newer players have been giving impressive shows too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqSkG0IxQMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVHgq8W9TzQ
Here's a pretty new player beating Chris G and almost getting him again in grand finals. He just had the small error of missing a down input in one of the games
>>332708154
What killed it? The fact that matches took so long? Or was it the gems?
>>332701783
* Unable to defeat Galactose.
* No upskirt panty shots.
* Hipster as hell.
* Also >>332703289
>>332708457
all that plus buggy release, the 20 character on disk nonsense, shitty netcode, the entire cross assault event fuckery
>>332708154
Harada has made it clear several times that TxSF isn't a thing anymore. They're using some of the assets and ideas for T7.
>>332706580
Honestly, no Cykes, DD and Spidey villains were the worst part of the Marvel roster. Aside from that, I'd say it was a great ass roster.
>>332708626
Also this. I forgot about all this.
>>332708640
Uh, no? They've said multiple times they're still developing it and there's a chance it might be announced soon enough considering they're done or finished with most of their other projects.
>>332708394
After the patch, it was a pretty good game. But people were just soured on it from everything >>332708626 mentioned, and basically ran it out of town.
I don't know why people say that everyone eats up everything Capcom shits out, they very clearly weren't eating up SFxT.
>>332708797
Pulling it into T7 was part of their plan to avoid cannibalizing their market. This is old news at this point.
>>332708640
It's still being made. The problem with it is that Tekken 7 isn't even out on consoles yet, and Harada has said he wants to wait until Tekken 7 and SFV have established themselves before releasing the game, as not to create unnecessary competition for Capcom or themselves.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/mar/07/tekken-x-street-fighters-release-window-still-undecided-says-bandai-namco/
NEVER
EVERwhat 8 new characters youd put in?
>>332708342
I don't understand why people say the roster balance is terrible in 3. Hasn't that always been Marvel's thing? Marvel 3 definitely has more variety in playable characters than 2.
It was only really like 5 or 6 characters playable in 2 right?
Some of my friends say that 2 is just as busted as 3 but since it was just the one version without updates they just had to make do.
>>332709103
Marvel 2 was a fundamentally broken game that somehow managed to save itself due to those same broken mechanics enhancing the overall game (to a degree anyways).
Was TvC killed by Mahvel?
>>332709292
No, it was killed by being on the Wii
>>332709292
It was killed by being on the Wii after the hype died.
>>332703154
/thread
also the fact that it lost support very quickly.
1-2 patches could have made all the different, or removing x-factor
>>332709292
Was probably killed because it was Wii exclusive. I never knew this game even existed at the time and I have a Wii
>>332701783
For me the X factor mechanic really ruined the game. You take that away and it improves immensely.
>>332709064
Bulletta, or any other Darkstalker that would have a decent ranged assist.
I only ever played team Darkstalkers and my Morrigan was hot garbage and I didn't really like playing her but I needed her to complete the team and provide a ranged assist.
>>332709103
No, the balance isn't as terrible. There are a lot more viable characters and combinations. The metagame has reached its stagnation point, however. Nobody is gonna be surprised by anything, there's no "hidden gems" in the roster at this point.
No more updates
>>332709064
Mega Man
M. Bison
BB Hood
Batsu
Venom
Gambit
Cyclops
Thanos
>>332709292
It was killed by being a Wii exclusive, a console dependent on wi-fi, awkward controller schemes, and the fact that no third-party accessory businesses made fight sticks for the Wii (though I think there's one out there though.) That said, the game is fun as fuck, has an impressive roster, and I continue to laugh to this day that Alex got into this before SFIV or any of its updates.
>>332709064
I'd trade up almost any amount of characters to get this one back. Kills me that none of the originals were brought back to MvC3.
>>332709064
Cyclops
Venom
Namor
Black Bolt
Megaman.exe
Asura
Date Masamune
Amingo
>>332709292
It was a sacrificial lamb, only existing to show that a new MvC could totally be made in current times.
That being said, the game is still overall inferior to Marvel aside from Baroque and the air tag system.
>we'll never see Viewtiful Joe again
>>332709462
X-Factor is a good idea that was kinda botched in execution.
>>332709926
If it was just a cancel it'd be perfect
>>332701783
When they said "We won't release a second version" and then did 6 months later and said "muh earthquake" to excuse it.
>>332709926
they should've just kept it at one constant level instead of concentrating it for less characters
Is anyone here surprised by Marvel's return to EVO? I dunno, considering all the factors that are there, I just figured this year would be the year to skip it. Guess people will give it one more whirl before KoFXIV takes it spot.
>>332710036
I disagree. The power up element was needed to mitigate the fact that you'd be in a huge disadvantage when you lost a character.
>>332710181
This is correct. Same power boost, but longer the less characters you had. I'd even make it into your burst as well. Like, doing a burst would put your X-Factor on cooldown so you can't do either until it's active again, and you'd lose the burst if you activate X-Factor.
>>332709926
how to fix X-factor:
>can use it as a Burst to escape combos, but you don't gain any advantage and no power-up. Basically just saves a character.
>can use it as a mid-combo cancel, but it doesn't give you a power-up.
>can use it raw, and get the power up, which scales based on the ratio of characters left - if you're both down 1v1, then it's not a superbuff.
>>332701783
On disc dlc,talk about cutting 8 characters in vanilla because of costs and then announcing ultimate update less than 2 months after vanilla launch and releasing with exactly those 8 characters 8 months after vanilla. Add in shit balance,knee jerk day 1 nerfs to stuff that didnt matter and then ignoring the game forever after.
Phoenix Wright got nerfed despite not even being good, just having a gimmick to make him high risk high reward.
![SPfqsSl[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RB8eas0.jpg "SPfqsSl[1].jpg")
>>332709487
Xfactor would have been okay if it was just the one level and as you lost characters you only got a small boost in time.
The nonsense starts to show at level 2 and really shines at level 3.
It can wipe away all of your good play in a matter of seconds but there's always at least one faggot that will say it's your fault you got hit to begin with even though the shit is just downright stupid
The other part of the xfactor nonsense is you get rewarded even further for doing more hits in your combo as it freezes the xfactor timer. It should decrease at a constant rate otherwise that 20 seconds is going last much longer
You can easily see it here https://youtu.be/WpV-jnE3pks?t=3m50s
TACs also shouldn't even exist. As they are now there is zero risk for the player doing the TAC and even in the reveal trailer it shows that you could continue the combo if you guessed right but it was still in favor of the attacker.
Right now TACs are a 5 way guess of up/down/side/throw/normal button and it's fucking retarded.
If TAC and xfactor were changed the character balance would change with it too since not everyone is always going to have 5 meters and a 50% boost in speed and power for 20 seconds to wipe a team out in half that time.
>>332711213
TACs were there to give all characters ways to continue air combos. It was just done in the stupidest way possible. TvC did this concept way better (and it's even still in UMvC3's code so it seems to have been cut really late in vanilla Marvel 3's development)
>>332708971
According to who? You?
>>332711213
tacs were part of the game's overall simplification (which honestly worked better than /v/ gives it credit) but like >>332711447 said they already had a better system in place.
>>332711447
Yeah I kinda figured it was mainly for people who don't really play fighting games because my casual friends would always TAC but even then it wasn't that necessary because most characters can get at least 600k damage with simple ABC combos which is half health on most characters anyway.
And that same ABC combo will probably build you the bar to finish the combo.
Has anyone here read that old ass giant fan made patch note document?
Because it wasn't on Steam
WHY.THE.FUCK.ISN'T.IT.ON.STEAM?!?!
>>332712340
Marvel, natch
>>332712340
PC release would be really nice, especially now that it's getting some traction as a fighting game platform.
>>332712340
Because the license for Marvel expired and they couldn't do anything with the game anymore
>tfw no Shonen Jump vs. Capcom
>tfw no Sega vs. Capcom
>tfw Capcom could probably make a Vs. title on their own, just using their own properties, but they won't
>>332709462
you know they wouldn't remove a game mechanic like that. might as well take out super meters too.
>doom is fucking busted, all three assists are very good, easy as fuck infinite and bnb, hit confirms for days because of otg foot dives. His only weakness is his movement, but good players can move well with him regardless.
>there is limited neutral game and the game has a strong emphasis on incoming mixups, both of which contribute to the one player game dynamic, where bnbs are easy to confirm into so most characters die in one combo. Contrast with mvc2.
>the bnbs are so easy that you pretty much see the same thing every game, the only unique thing is basically the incoming mixups, which many are just guessblockables.
>xfactor lvl 3 needs rework
Does anyone have the Jill and Shuma DLC on ps3 and willing to share it?
>>332712938
>tfw Capcom could probably make a Vs. title on their own, just using their own properties, but they won't
It kind of happened already with Capcom Fighting Jam, but it sucks. I would love to see something similar to what SNK did with Neo Geo Battle Colloseum some day.
>>332704097
>says that after last year's top 8 was completely different than most majors.
There was a fucking MODOK in top 8 and KBR won it
>>332713276
i thought i did, turns out i somehow didn't
now i can't use a whole 2 characters and that is fucking great capcom!
No male Darkstalkers.
>>332701783
It didn't, Marvel being a bunch of retards killed it
>>332712938
>>tfw Capcom could probably make a Vs. title on their own, just using their own properties, but they won't
This is what I want.
>>332701783
>Announced shortly after the vanilla version of the game
>The DLC characters weren't included in the "Ultimate" edition.
>Neither were the costumes.
>Frank West and Phoenix Wright could've been amazing but ended up relying too much on their gimmicks.
>Mega Man still isn't there.
>Nor are half the Marvel characters people regularly played in MvC2.
>No Monster Hunter representation.
>3 reps for Darkstalkers, a franchise that's dead in the water.
>C. Viper over a dozen+ more interesting Street Fighter characters.
>Nothing representing classic Resident Evil. Jill being the RE5 version of the character being the biggest insult.
>CPUs play like impossible-as-fuck tourneytards on higher difficulties.
>No Silver Surfer in a game where Galactus is the big bad.
>Galactus isn't even fun to fight anyway.
Just to name some of my grievances.
>>332707120
Single person runs entire game into the ground.
Its not cuz the game itself was bad.
Sounds like you just dont like him which is fine. Just dont search his stuff I guess
>>332701783
X-Factor
>>332715019
>hard mode is hard
MVC3's battle system is so good, albeit broken with certain characters. I would love a DBZ game in the same style / engine. DO IT CAPCOM.
It'll probably never happen but I would love for them to bring UMVC3 to XB1, PS4 and PC Just to keep the game alive. Extra characters would be nice too, don't really care who but I want more DMC characters like Nero for example.
>>332715019
>>3 reps for Darkstalkers, a franchise that's dead in the water.
You shut up. Anything that indicates that they still remember and may possibly make a new one in the future is alright with me.
>>332701783
It needed tweaking but Marvel plugged their picks based on the success in comics, TV, movies or lack thereof due to rights stuff, then they came to the conclusion they don't need Capcom pulled the plug and everyone assumes Disney is responsible even though they probably don't know or care about the franchise at all.
>the Magneto DLC costume was removed and never replaced
>>332716337
Hsienko was a terrible choice though, literally no one wanted her in and she's lowest of the low tier.
>>332716649
Do agree, Talbain would've been better.
>>332701783
Marvel License expired and capcom put out one last cash grab.
>>332716548
>picks based on the success in comics, TV, movies
And even then we got MODOK, Taskmaster, Nova, She Hulk, X-23, Rocket.
>>332717169
Taskmaster, She-Hulk, X-23 and Rocket in retrospect are actually very sensible.
MODOK however I'll never understand since they could have just went with an AIM scientist or something but I gathered he was the gag character where Deadpool and Rocket couldn't apply akin to Norimaro.
But then people put in work and the AIM technology that came out the lab was ridiculous. For about 5 minutes.
>>332717169
Literally the best characters besides X-23.
I would kill for another Marvel with Nova being a cocky bastard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkPL1MT7g80
The mobile Marvel game is so soulless
>>332717614
>The mobile Marvel game is so soulless
I've never played it, but it looks so bad. Every time I watch gameplay of it on YT, I get angry.
And casuals eat that shit up too.
>>332717169
THIS WEIGHTS MORE THAN ME
>>332717169
MODOK and Nova was put in to promote the disney show and rocket for the Guardians movie
>>332717780
Guardians wasn't announced in 2011.
>>332717614
The roster was amazing for everyone who is actually a fan of the work of both companies. Nova, Dr. Stange, Ghost Rider, Hawkeye, Amateratsu, Viewtiful Joe, Dante. The only ones missing were Cyclops, Venom, Megaman and MvC2 Jill Valentine
>>332717865
>Dr. Stange will throw a rose to a female opponent for his taunt
Little things like this
>>332718013
Shit, I didn't know that.
>>332717865
Frank West makes old Jill kinda redundant.
>>332717839
they were planning it
Great game but lack of support due to losing the license killed it.
I still hope they'll manage to patch it some day.
>>332715019
>3 reps for Darkstalkers, a franchise that's dead in the water.
Darkstalkers is an incredibly influential series. Half of the mechanics in Marvel or any Street Fighter after 2 came from it. It has an important legacy, regardless o whether it sill has new games being made or not.
>>332718287
I'm still a little upset they didn't port hitcirclevisibility to consoles
>>332717865
>MvC2 Jill Valentine
It still hurts.
>Jill Valentine turned into that...thing
>low-tier as fuck
>Frank West stole Jill's zombie-summoning gimmick anyhow
Fuck, being Jill Valentine in the MvC series must be suffering.
>>332718013
He wasn't the only one, there's a special dialogue between Dante and Joe that always makes me smile. Iron Man will always flirt with female characters, even Ammy. Rocket Racoon always curious about Racoon City.
It's a shame that a game with this much care into the details couldn't been balanced better, both in characters and mechanics
>>332718864
They did what they could but fighting games are not easy to balance, specially not one with a 40+ roster and tag assists. Sure, stuff like Zero, Vergil and Doom shouldn't have slipped through the cracks, but there's little you can do withour extensive player testing. One more patch or update and Marvel would be an amazing game, but sadly it was never meant to be.
>no love for skrull in thread
b-but he loves you
>>332719102
I forget about him, but he was also a great roster pick.
>>332719093
That's what hurts the most, it just needed one or two patches and it could have been an amazing game. I wonder if they will ever do another Capcom All-Stars using what they learned from UMvC3 since another MvC doesn't seem possible since Marvel became shit on all fronts.Fuck you Bendis, and fuck you too Quesada
>>332718864
Honestly I feel like a few tweaks would help the game immensely. Removing TAC all together and nerfing X-factor for most characters. Having the current top tier have X-factors that don't give much of a boost, but keep the bottom tier similar could help balance things out a lot (besides maybe Lei-Lei because she's shit). A lot of underused characters are on the edge of being great, but Vergil and Doom are good and have the crutch of X-factor.
is there a way to get both DLC characters and some costumes?
>>332719342
Nah nigga, I want my Daredevil/Phoenix Wright bantz.
>>332701783
Oh hey, it's Marvel vs Vergil 3
>>332701783
Loss of license and solved meta.
Literally no reason to play it. May as well wait for MvC4 at this point.
>>332719102
The moment I heard he was playable I stopped caring about the exclusion of the FF. The Skrulls are such an interesting race, and Kl'rt above all is really something else. His arrogance, his genius, the voice work, his playstyle are all so entertaining.
>>332703564
>Less time to balance everything
>More characters = More overlap
>Because of overlap only people who have dominant tools matter
No Megaman
/thread
>>332719451
Take it into another level. Daredevil's ending is him, Phoenix, and She-Hulk opening a law firm, or going against Edgy at court
Capcom broke contract and is no longer allowed to patch the game. Too bad it's unbalanced as shit.
Why the fuck doesn't Capcom make ANYTHING with this fucking engine doesn't have to be MAHVEL. Capcom vs Capcom fucking do it.
>>332719739
rumor has it SFxT killed that. and shit, capcom barely has any money for SFV, you really think they can handle another fighting game now?
Marvel 2 is better
>there will never be a Mahvel 4 because Disney is greedy Jews who would rather make Injustice mobile game knockoffs with their characters
Which I find stupid because Mahvel means more Asian exposure.
Alright /v/, who would you main in a Capcom only fighter? All franchises they have are on the table.
>>332719634
who the fuck is this then
>>332719921
Yeah, but mobile > fighting game in money
>>332701783
for me it was the button inputs. instead of marvel they made tatsunoko again.
Just didn't feel right to me and every match felt the same.
>>332719873
>rumor has it SFxT killed that.
I don't feel bad then. God damn I am still pissed about on disk DLC and those retarded unnecessary as fuck gems.
>hey lets make a game celebrating the history of two of the most popular fighting game series in the world and we will add a feature neither game has ever had just to whore out DLC.
>>332719971
Quick Man
>>332719971
Ryu
>>332720124
>not Napalm Man
Stay pleb
>>332701783
Should have been released as a patch with the balancing and mechanics.
Could have just had the new characters be like a bundle to pay of paid separately like Jill and Shuma-Gorath.
I didn't wanna buy the game again.
>>332719990
a Zero skin
Capcom trolling
>>332719873
I really hope they return to that idea one day.
>>332720098
They had to do that, though. Simplifying the controls and giving everyone a universal launcher was a good idea since it meant that you could get into learning the character at a much faster rate and experiment with them easier.
>>332710453
>I disagree. The power up element was needed to mitigate the fact that you'd be in a huge disadvantage when you lost a character.
Nobody was complaining about this in marvel 2.
The fact that x-factor rewards losing is enough of a reason to remove it.
>>332720175
Their excuse was the Tokyo earthquake for some reason.
>>332720186
literally MMX6 Megaman
>>332720360
It's almost like an earthquake destroys things.
>>332720231
But then that lead to everyone fighting in the exact same way.
Marvel 2 had so many different play styles that it was fun to play and watch.
If Capcom ever makes another VS game I hope they go back to their original button layout. or at least 2's.
Does anyone else feel like the 1st Sentinel health nerf done back in the day in vanilla was done too hastily to appease whiners and was totally unnecessary?
>>332720451
>make game
>can't release DLC because earthquake
>but we can release a full stand alone game instead
Explain the logic?
>>332720319
X-factor should be tied to specific characters, not the number of characters left + specific characters.
Vergil should have a weak X-factor no matter what and Wright should have a crazy good X-factor even on point. Basically keep Vergil at a sub lvl 1 state and Wright at lvl 3.
>>332701783
Disney bought Marvel and fucked everything.
>>332720478
Everyone called that shit out the moment it hit. People didn't know how to block at all.
>Game allows almost the entire roster to get a full to death combo on virtually everyone else in the game
How does this game still have a community still playing? Since Marvel is never going to get any sort of corporate sponsorship to the prize pot, why don't people just go back to MvC2 since while that meta is also a dry well, it still had music that was a billion times better? Only Smash 64 is more torturous to watch.
>>332716604
oh yeah
they took out that glitch, didn't they?
it didn't fail, it overachieved. I wish it fucking failed years ago but people still play it.
>>332719971
>Geo
>Skullomania
>Amingo
>Captain Commando
>>332701783
Hawkeye is in the center of the box art.
>>332720554
Maybe people had more important things to do then worry about games. Like pick up the pieces of there daughters corpse.
Morrigan player here, i'm part of the problem and i don't give a fuck. I've mained her since vanilla day one.
>>332720939
Full Death combo is still only 1/3 of the players assets.
>>332721242
I can counterpick Morrigan, but I don't like any of the characters and they still get blown up by other top tier.
>>332720478
Of course it was unneeded
That was done how many weeks into the game launching?
I'd see people make the argument that Sentinels aren't supposed to be strong and were pretty much cannon fodder so they're supposed to die fast.
It's such a shitty argument because not every character is going to be 100% faithful in every aspect in the game.
He's the biggest character in the game and kinda slow and that character type in fighting games usually have more health to compensate.
>>332721242
It's too hard to do the chris g soul-soul fist
fuck you
>>332708154
>the only redemption it'll get is when TekkenXStreet Fighter releases, and most people won't play that because most 2D fighting game players can't play Tekken.
If it does release, it should be pretty interesting. I don't know of any 2D players who have successfully transitioned to 3D fighters. The few times I've seen people like JWong try their hand at Tekken, they've been destroyed by scrub tactics.
>>332721218
thats neither here nor there.
they still turned on a factory, hired people, and pressed physical discs.
if they were worried about picking up bodies , wouldn't it have been easier to just allow access to a server?
thaty earthquake gave capcom an excuse to have people buy the game again. lol and then they did. and it still didn't have the dlc i it.
>>332721242
Play a good game with her in it instead. Like Hunter or Savior.
>play as Wolverine
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>>332720589
Your idea is fucking stupid
Behold
>>332721424
> I don't know of any 2D players who have successfully transitioned to 3D fighters.
Have you heard of Tokido? He's won tournaments and has beaten some of the best. Jwong getting top 8 in early Tekken with very little practice is nothing to scoff over and Valle has played Tekken and done well in the past.
>>332721661
Surprise an edgelord gets buttmad. I'm just suggesting an easy fix instead of doing a complete rework of system mechanics.
>>332721809
Tokido's a good example, you're right. I wouldn't consider Valle or JWong particularly great 3D players. The last time I saw JWong play, he was being hammered into the ground by a single Dragunov string.
>>332701783
How did it fail? Because it isn't posted about all the time on /v/?
>>332721910
>please make my shitty character good
That's how your post read.
What was edgelord about what I said? Xfactor 2 and 3 are a problem with everyone.
If only certain characters had xfactor 3 then people would just play those characters instead. You didn't fix anything
>>332708640
Nice meme
>>332722225
No one would use Lei-Lei over Vergil even if Vergil had lvl 1 only.
>make my characters good
I use Morrigan/Dante/Doom.
>>332709672
Is that a monkey doing the monkey?
>>332722225
Xfactor is already character specific you idiot. The boosts are not the same across the board. Vergil's could stand to be nerfed, though his and PW's problems go deeper than that.
>Xfactor 2 and 3 are a problem with everyone
No they're not. Stop being a tool.
>>332722674
That's a pretty bitchin' Tron Bonne cosplay.
I like the concept.
Servbot is shit though.
X factor is the dumbest shit of all time.
same problem a lot of fighting games have to balance around: infinites or impossibly long combos with no chance of breaking out unless the opponent screws up his/her memorized button pattern
it looked and felt great by itself, but the lack of balancing made it very unfun, especially when it came to watching tournaments. every single match was a game of chicken where both people waited for an opening by zoning each other out until eventually someone makes a mistake or gets too close and then the infinite chain combo begins with the same 5 or 6 characters in every match. who the fuck wants to watch that?
>>332722428
Well Hsien-Ko is just garbage how she is. She would have to be completely redone to be even remotely viable.
Well you used Wright as your example so I guessed that was your character so my bad there.
Xfactor just has to be brought down for everyone. No character should be getting gigantic speed/power boosts to wipe out teams in half their xfactor time
>>332722674
I know everyone gets different boosts jackass but he said that Vergil should only be level 1 and Wright should always be level 3. I don't know how you could see that as possibly being okay.
How is xfactor 2 and 3 okay without using some lame argument that everyone can do it
it ran it's course, it's been out for over 5 years and had a decent pro circuit
it's great fun casually but when you take it seriously it's awful
boring af to watch, honestly boring to play, and the only hype comes from someone dropping a combo. no one wants to sit in an infinite combo, no one wants to repeat the same combo sequence over and over
i still appreciate the mechanical skill it takes to pull off infinites but i'm hoping it gets dropped from EVO next year and it can finally die with a bit of dignity instead of being dragged out agonizingly
>>332709064
Mysterio
Venom
Nightcrawler
Cyclops
Juri
Hauzer
Someone from killer 7
Saki
>>332709064
>bb hood wasn't in
it's not fair
