What the hell happened, /v/? When did it all go wrong?
>inb4 turnbased tears
It was never good
It went just right, it gave birth to Bravely Default before dying.
>>332692624
X was when it turned to shit
>>332692898
Japanase developers like to inventa crazy and unique genres for their games, e.g. the Tales series with things like "RPG of Destiny" and "RPG of Unwavering Convictions". Stylish Crazy Action and Horror Simulation RPG are accurate for those games.
I think it all went to hell with the MMO. Sure, FFXI might have been a good MMO (was it? Never had the chance to play it), but it became the main focus of SE's higher-ups. Since then, I think SE hasn't been able to find they way again into development of good console FFs. Nevermind production values nowadays.
>>332692624
Generation 7, like everything else.
>>332692759
can't understand fags that shit on turn based combat, it's so comfy. i think both atb and turn-based are fine, it's as if only one thing is allowed to be good, the rest must be shit
>>332694331
I'm not shitting on turn-based. I'm shitting on nostalgiafags.
>comfy
You're an idiot
>>332692624
It was all downhill from here.
Yes that includes IX.
>>332693046
It was shit before that too though, see VIII.
Something went wrong?
I only really don't like XIII.
all the other games I can deal with but this was just somebody spitting in your face selling you a giant hallway experience.
also, why have such stupid convoluted fighting systems? half of the time you don't even know what's happening in FF13. FF12 did it the best because it's close to what active turn based is and therefore closer to D&D games like BG or IWD. FF still has a shitload of untapped potential but they never make the most of it.
>>332692624
Remember when they gave a number to an MMO spinoff? That's what. After that travesty all games have been either MMO trash or pseudo MMO trash.
>>332693046
X was only shit because of the main character being an insufferable retard, and the plot being retarded at times. The gameplay, the music, the setting and the secondary characters were actually great.
7 was when it started to slip, 8 was when it fell off a cliff. 9 was the series getting up and staggering along despite the compound fractures in its legs, and 10 was when it fell again, goring itself on a railroad spike.
>>332692898
>posting this in an established weebpit
>>332692624
>What the hell happened, /v/?
The original developers left Square. And Square milked the series harder than Call of Duty and Pokemon combined. There is anywhere from 7-10 different teams making Final Fantasy games at any given time. In other words, there's no core team that oversees every game for quality control and consistency.
>When did it all go wrong?
Honestly, with the first game. Sakaguchi has said from the start that story was always more important than gameplay. It has just gotten progressively worse each sequel.
Tried the XV demo and didn't find it enjoyable at all. Played it a second time and ended up disliking it more than I did the first time.
The button lag is so damn frustrating. I enjoy action games and I like action RPG's, but I can't get a grasp of this game and the delayed button presses. There's not even much going on the screen and it was chugging with only one enemy.
All these rocky environments you want to climb, explore using nice, smooth intuitive controls and your stuck typical, crude controls from years ago.
Developers like CD Project Red blow this shit out of the park and manage to still make a PC version.
>>332696396
it was terrible at being a game because it tried too hard being a movie. that's the fucking worst that can even happen to a game. shit pacing with cutscenes every three steps on top of it and retarded railroading with invisible walls.
the undisputed predecessor of Final Corridor 13.
I personally think 8 was the first game in which EVERYTHING was terrible.
>>332692624
Final Fantasy II.
>>332697239
it was far from terrible. it was one of the best FF games. I don't know why some people meme so hard about it being bad when it's not really true.
>>332697317
recently played FF2 on GBA. it's actually a great game. good characters, music and setting. leveling was entirely skill based for each weapon and spell but it didn't bother me at all.
a bit short though. it's shorter than FF1.
>>332697193
Sure, that was bad, but at least the gameplay was really damn good. Nowadays you don't have anything: the characters suck, the story is fucking retarded and the games play themselves. Compared to that X is like a fucking masterpiece.
>>332697239
Well it does have arguably the best soundtrack in the whole series, but otherwise you're right.
>>332697367
No it's shit. The story and characters are everything wrong with Final Fantasy in a nutshell, the gameplay is even more broken than that of FF2, it relies even more on FMVs and non-interactive melodrama than its predecessor did etc. it's nowhere near the best.
we grew up
>>332697628
>No it's shit.
I don't care about your opinion.
>>332697739
And nobody should care about yours.
>tfw actually exctied for FFXV
It looks really comfortable. I'm excitable for a nice pretty open world with nice music.
Combat is meh but I bet it gets better with more weapons and party members and enemy types.
>>332698332
same here, don't get why /v/ is spazzing out at all. if the pc release is only a couple months after consoles i might wait for that though.
Once a series goes MMO, it goes to shit.
The only ones I really liked were VI, VII, and IX. I never understood what made this series in particular so much more popular than other JRPGs as far as gameplay goes. The story and music were some of the best, but that's about it.
>>332698985
Nostalgia, and the fact that barely any JRPGs made it to the states, let alone anywhere else in the world. Though some like Chrono Trigger are held in much higher regard by pretty much everyone who has heard of it.
>>332698901
it was better than 10
![Dragon Quest X - PC Benchmark - YouTube.mp4_snapshot_02.35_[2013.06.24_00.17.26].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7uHNMfs.jpg "Dragon Quest X - PC Benchmark - YouTube.mp4_snapshot_02.35_[2013.06.24_00.17.26].jpg")
>>332698901
Except this one.
>>332699343
We don't know that yet because Square Enix has been holding Dragon Quest hostage in the West.
>>332692624
>people saying ANYTHING besides the merger
>>332692624
WHO CARES !!
explain to me how to get gud with waka
also the furry blue guy with wingsusing standard sphere grid
>>332699457
Fair enough.I have played the MMO however and it is good. Unlike FFXIV.
>>332692624
They should have stopped calling it Final fantasy after X.
If i want to play a generic hack and slash, mmorpg, or stupid westernized fake RPG there are better series for this.
>>332700237
>They should have stopped calling it Final fantasy after X.
They did. They called it Kingdom Hearts.
>>332696281
tbqf FFXI saved the company from bankruptcy.
Then they made nothing but shit afterwards.
>>332700703
normalfags dont even know that FFXI is Squeenix's biggest financial success
>>332700703
>tbqf FFXI saved the company from bankruptcy.
Not really. Enix buying up their debt 'saved' their company. FFXI got big after that and put them far into positive profits.
Which they then burned on failed projects. the Square side of SquareEnix just doesn't know how to handle money. And think throwing more money at a project will lead to more profits. Despite countless examples of that not working.
>>332701053
it went downhill after X
X was the last great FF game before X-2 shat on its legacy
12 could have been greatest of all time, could have.
I hate how Vaan is the poster boy for 12, he did shit
>>332701053
Problem is when your presentation becomes more realistic, shit starts to look silly when you inject fantasy elements that don't mesh with that level of realism.
I could use for XVI to just a hearken back to the old high fantasy days with wizards in robes and armored individuals to give me a decent suspense of disbelief given the world works within its rules.
Not silly shit like a BMW turning into an airplane with the Backstreet Boys riding in it.
>>332701053
>top row: normal swords
>bottom row: penis compensation swords except Vaan and Lightning
>>332701312
XII doesnt have a main character, but cucks like you wouldn't know that
>>332701053
>>332692624
>Nobuo Uematsu pledges never to overwork himself again like he did on IX's ost
>Sakaguchi no longer has much (if any) involvement in the franchise
>Nomura promoted
>Yoichi Wada took years to finally resign in shame and only did so after FFXIV crashed like a lead blimp
>>332701462
This.
They need to bring it back to the FF2, 3 and 4 days.
>>332701462
I'm glad someone realizes this. The trend of trying to make everything realistic goes against the fantasy elements the series attempted. And makes your game have a shelf life of about 3 months. Until the next slightly more realistic looking game comes out.
While a cel shaded or sprite based game still works 20 years later.
>>332701786
>Nobuo Uematsu pledges never to overwork himself again like he did on IX's ost
To be fair, the OSTs for games like FFXIII and XIV are the best part of the game. And in some instances, even better than what Uematsu could have done. FFXIV has the best prelude theme yet. And FFXIII has an upbeat, happy tone that Uematsu could never produce except in FFV.
>>332701627
I never said it did you dumbass, I just hate how he represents the face of FF12 yet he is pretty irrelevant in it
>>332701734
He looks the best in 7 and that top Crisis Core one. I don't know why he looks like Zapdos in Type-0, isn't he supposed to be the same one as in 7?9 is also good but I really don't want someone to post the ass shot for the ∞th time.
I just woke up from a coma and final fantasy 10 was the last final fantasy game I played. What happened to this series? Where's the big ass swords, chocobo, airship, cactuar, mogs, summon magic, magic in general, hot anime girls etc?
Why is this new game a giant advertisement for BMW and Coleman camping equipment?
Plz help
>>332698985
>I never understood what made this series in particular so much more popular than other JRPGs as far as gameplay goes.
FFI, IV, and V were really advanced for their time. If FFI wasn't retardedly buggy it'd easily be the deepest JRPG of its time and IV is responsible for a lot of the genre's standards.
>>332698985
>I never understood what made this series in particular so much more popular than other JRPGs as far as gameplay goes.
Because it never got popular because of its gameplay. The series has had one of the five largest marketing budgets in gaming history. For 25+ years. The only JRPG to have more marketing is Pokemon. Which is also the only other JRPG series to surpass it in sales.
That's the secret. Much like how shit like Transformers or Seth Rogan movies can do so well.
>>332702623
The car is your airship now.
>>332703028
That's not good.
>>332702835
>Because it never got popular because of its gameplay.
Then why did FFV outsell literally everything before it by nearly a million each? Why did VI only manage to equal V in domestic sales and only outsell it because one was released abroad and the other was kept in Japan for 7-8 years?
>>332703209
At least chocobos are still chocobos.
>>332702835
>Never got popular because of its gameplay
So why do people want it to go back to turn based?
>>332693046
This. X, while not a godawful game in and of itself, marked the beginning of the true decline of Final Fantasy.
And what a decline it's been. Looking at everything I've seen of XV, i'm embarrassed to admit I was once a fan of this series.
>>332692624
>everything goes right
still make this thread
are you butthurt wrpg lover anon?
>>332692624
>When did it all go wrong?
VI. The only reason to argue otherwise is if you don't care about gameplay.
>>332703375
Nothing you said pointed to the gameplay being the deciding factor. FFV probably sold so much more because of the growing hype of the series following FFIV. And probably increased marketing from Squaresoft. Though I can only speculate.
Few people outside of the /v/ hipsters think FFV is the best game in the series however. Its certainly not remembered as much as FFIV, VI, VII, VIII or X in Japan.
>>332703028
>people aren't excited for this
>>332703598
Not all FF fans want a return to turn based gameplay. Just the people who's favorite FF game is turn based.
But since the developers don't listen to the fans, all future FF games will be ARPGs. Until the sales start dropping so low that they decide to 'reboot' the series (again).
>>332703793
>Its certainly not remembered as much as FFIV, VI, VII, VIII or X in Japan.
>VI
You're horribly mistaken.
>>332704018
>>332703762
Keep bitching about FFVI all you want. You're just pointing out that it is more well known than other FF games since you have to work so hard to hate it.
>>332703882
>Wanting the fucking batmobile in Final Fantasy
>>332702623
Don't worry, there are still moogles. Sort of.
>>332704196
>Final fantasy has never had high-tech flying vehicles for the player
What series have you been playing?
>>332704171
I don't have to do shit. V consistently polls ahead of VI in Japan and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>332703395
If I was a kid I would have creamed myself over this. Too bad it has to come attached with a steaming shit of a game.
Oh well.
>>332692624
What do you mean OP? Is there a problem?
10.
That's when it ended. Awful game.
>>332705337
Worst story and characters in a series of shitty stories and characters. But the best gameplay in the series.
Hard to place exactly where it goes.
>>332705952
How does X have good gameplay? It's full and linear as fuck
>>332692914
Just started BD. Pretty fucking dank so far, much better than the last several FFs
>>332706108
>Complaining about linearity in a JRPG
>>332692624
Sony.
Under Nintendo's wing, the series had an environment that fostered consistent quality and a reasonable yet imaginative vision. When they broke free of the big N that's when they took the opportunity to gradually disappear up their own asshole.
>>332706108
It actually got the turn-based combat right and trashed the ATB cancer. Blitzball was fun too.
>>332705952
>Worst story and characters in a series of shitty stories and characters.
I would argue VIII was much worse in both those regards.
>>332706701
Yeah I can't imagine anything better than being forced to restrict your game's content for a company that thinks of games as nothing more than children's toys and try to sue you if you ever make a game for a non-Nintendo system.
>>332692624
When you didn't buy a ps4. It looks like the best game in years, there is so much PC salt going on
>>332692624
I understand the hate on this website for ffx, but the true final fantasy downfall was ffX-2.
Everything after that has been not good to horrible
>>332704639
maybe you just grew up into a faggot
>>332702059
Noob composers make better music than those whose idea wells have dried up, who knew.
Also, 666 captcha. Sweet.
>>332703762
VI had more of a gameplay focus than IV did, though.
>>332707124
I don't care, this is awful.
>>332706108
It was true turn based instead of ATB. It also required you to use different tactics in battle such as attacking flying units with ranged attacks (Wakka, Lulu) or attack ground units with characters who ignore armor bonuses (Tidus, Auron). Though its still nowhere near as detailed as a Dragon Quest game which greatly expand on this system.
Outside of the main gameplay however, all the end game stuff (catching butterflies, Chocobo racing, blitzball) were horrible.
>>332706305
good start, repetitive second half.
>>332707471
Yes, being a faggot must be awful.
>>332706942
Are you calling what are considered the best two games of the series by long-time fans (i.e. not millenials who had VII as their babby's first RPG game) "children's toys"?
>>332707627
No, but Nintendo is/was.
>>332707438
If you go back and play them back to back you'd be surprised at how wrong you are.
>>332692624
>says it's final fantasy
>it's not final
>not final at all
They LIED !
>>332698327
I kind of liked it
>>332697168
Make sure to let Square know, input lag in any game is retarded. It's not realistic and it doesn't add weight.
>>332692624
At VII
Instead of being a fantastic land that built lore it became fujoshit pandering and EDGY storylines
FFX is where it went wrong.
>Knock down Garland in the temple of fiends
>Cross the bridge to bring light back to the crystals, and hope back to the world
GOAT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2gMFdxxHYY
FFX, while itself was an alright game, set the precedant for the future games. Linearity, voice acting (which I always found off-putting for FF games), etc.
I don't understand why people say FFVIII had the worst story when FFX exists. "For some reason a big monster appears when we use machines and he is my dad btw"
>>332707896
+1
This
>>332707763
This, Final Fantasy II is where it all went wrong.
>>332692898
>amerifats somehow think that their works are the pinnacle of gaming
>>332692759
Anyone else think it would be a cool idea if Square Enix did a PS1 style retro FF game as one of the new entries? I think a lot of people out there have enough nostalgia for VII, VIII and IX that it would be successful venture for them to try out.
I'll tell you this much, I would buy it if they did this.
>>332695321
Anti-IX fags are worse than IX fags.
>>332692624
Remember when SNES games allowed to boot up a cartridge and start playing, but FF games forced you to sit through some shitty dialogue and scripted scenes? That's when I realized FF was shit. Not to mention when you finally get to combat and exploring you're extremely limited.
>>332697193
I LOVE POOPING IN MY PANTS, THEN TAKING THE KAKA LOG AND FASHIONING IT INTO A KAKA CIGAR (SO THAT I CAN POOPY PUFF)
>>332692624
When it went 3D. 6 was the last good game.
>>332707931
Still better than "OMG WE WERE ALL FROM THE SAME ORPHANAGE"
>>332695321
Sure did love 1 minute summons to watch over and over.
Like all modern franchises today that had their roots in 90s gaming it peaked before 2005.
>>332692624
Would you buy FFXV if Cidney traveled with the party? I would personally
>>332708328
Even on the SNES, FF games had long bouts of dialogue before you ever got to even look at a menu. Let alone fight an enemy. It just wasn't as long as later games. But it still existed.
>>332708405
7 kept the charm perfectly.
The real answer to OP's question is 8.
Fags with worthless opinions of course are going to say FF went downhill with their least favorite game.
Turn based fags will shit on it just because it doesn't feature the same old boring ass slow grandma like gameplay. Their pea brains hasn't evolved into calculating moves on the go, much less have any amount of reaction time since they have never played a real sport in their lives.
PCucks will automatically shitpost the game until it is announced and have a page on Steam.
Cucks and betas arguing about no female since they can't go on a day without their female overlord taking a piss on their face.
The only legitimate criticism are the controls, combat an floaty movement.
Welcome to FFXV threads.
>>332708545
no it didn't
>>332692624
>What the hell happened, /v/?
Final Fantasy 12 was released in 2006.
Final Fantasy 14 is a MMO.
This means that, for a full decade, the only thing new in Final Fantasy that most people have seen was Final Fantasy 13. Only FF13, for an entire decade.
And you wonder why people are upset.
>>332708413
Except why they forget is explained a number of times throughout the game
>>332707713
Doesn't change the fact that the most mature FF game was produced under Nintendo's watch.
>>332708450
FF was doing modern gaming back when Sega was still a dominant console.
>>332701502
Firion has like 5 weapons. Tidus' sword was given to him as a present. Zidane isn't even using his butterfly dagger in this. Everyone knows Lightning's penis is big so there's no need to compensate.
Just fuck off you falseflagging faggot.
>>332708545
>7 kept the charm after the masterpiece that was 6
low quality bait
>>332704708
I like it.
>>332708510
Hated this shit and then you pretty much can't lose for the first 2 hours even if you just mash A.
>>332708463
she apparently travels to all the gas stations that you stop at.
I don't see anything wrong.
>>332708675
7 borrowed many of its story elements and tone from 6 so yeah it did. The reason you say otherwise is because of your nostalgia for VI being the end-all-be-all of JRPGs and anything else sucks.
>>332708839
but i want to play as her
i wanna be her
>>332708776
I can't think any RPG where you can lose on the first 2 hours unless you're a retard so fuck off
>>332709002
I want you to be her so I can do lewd things to you.like smell your feet
>>332708968
>The reason you say otherwise is because of your nostalgia for VI being the end-all-be-all of JRPGs and anything else sucks.
Nice straw man VII babby, I happen to enjoy VIII and IX more than VII. Tell me what story elements were "borrowed"?
>>332708450
>1987
>90s
lel
>>332708968
it didn't borrow any elements other than the standard FF fare, how the fuck can you relate a story with 3 fucking main leads along with a kafkian villain with the story with 1 lead and a mama's boy as the villain
>>332708946
Thankfully, it doesn't look like her design got changed.
>>332709168
I'd love to hear why you enjoyed VIII more.
>Tell me what story elements were "borrowed"?
Materia = Magicite
Clinically insane super soldier villain
Ragtag band of misfits led by an amnesiac
Steampunk dystopian world
Probably more, that's just off the top of my head.
>>332709375
>while he falls in love with a girl in his party
>FFX
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>332708579
I dunno. Sub 30 FPS is also a big no non sequitor given that it has realtime combat.
Really going to be fun, that.
>>332709114
Wizardry was a lot of traps and areas that can fuck you up when you try to explore too far and Dark Souls is designed for you to learn from mistakes and take safer routes.
Not every RPG needs to hold your hand to the point you can mash everything for hours. FF is casual trash. Even when games like Sweet Home were popular, FF went ez mode.
>>332709659
Holy shit, you're retarded. Those are standard FF fare as you can see on >>332709375.
The only exception is the steampunk setting that's literally every FF setting since VI
>>332708675
It kept a lot more the charm than 8 did, that's for sure.
>>332703612
> Looking at everything I've seen of XV, i'm embarrassed to admit I was once a fan of this series.
Why?
>>332708361
what brought this response on to what I was saying?
can somebody tell me? is this a meme?
>>332709659
Magic rocks and super villains have been a staple in RPG's for at least 30 years now though, these are just concepts intrinsic to the genre and not so much the final fantasy games. I'll give you "Ragtag band of misfits" even though I feel like FF6 had a more diverse cast (and not just because they had more characters). Only some of the areas in FF6 have steam machines etc, though I would would have trouble calling it "steam punk" except for maybe Kefkas' Magitek Factory where the theme is really evident.
>>332709998
If it's standard FF fare then why is VII constantly shat upon while VI is put in the rarest of air?
>>332709114
>I can't think any RPG where you can lose on the first 2 hours
Dragon Quest I and II you can die literally outside the starting castle. Since you have 20 HP and enemies hit for 3-5 HP. Walk too far away from the castle without medicinal herbs and you're dead.
>>332709375
>Final Fantasy 1 is the least Final Fantasy-ish
>>332710135
>Final Fantasy is exempt from criticism as long as other games did it
No, it really isn't. If anything, it proves that the series built on change isn't really changing the right things.
>>332710135
Fair point, but not many RPGs outside Final Fantasy had magic rocks though, not even other famous Square games like Chrono Trigger.
>>332710269
>>Final Fantasy is exempt from criticism as long as other games did it
What? I was saying why I disagree with this list of points as to why FF7 borrowed concepts from FF6.
>>332710156
>moving goalposts: the post
You said retarded shit, you got corrected and now you want to change the matter of discussion?
>>332710159
getting outside the castle without stocking herbs is being clinically retarded
>>332710417
That was the matter of discussion since the beginning you fucking mongoloid. The 6fag was shitting on 7 for doing things that were standard to the FF series (just like 6, wow) and I wanted to know why. Sure I could have worded it a little better but the point was still pretty fucking clear if you had an IQ in the triple digits.
>>332709375
>Seymour
>cool at all
>>332709659
>Ragtag band of misfits led by an amnesiac
Terra only led an orphanage, though.
>>332709375
>That list
Well, we can go further with this
http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html
It's not about if they re-use tropes, is about how they use the tropes. A lot of JRPGs, including some FF games doesn't even care about the plot and others care enough to make those clichés interesting. Example. compare Cecil and Rosa with Cloud and Aeris/Tifa: Cecil and Rosa were dating and fucking even before FF4 happens and the game doesn't really give a shit about their romance, you rescue Rosa a couple of times and Rosa force Cecil to let her fight at the end, really basic stuff, in other hand you see important stuff between Cloud and Aeris/Tifa like the Aeris death and the implied sex scene between Cloud and Tifa later in the game.
>>332710630
you're stupid, do you? the argument started from this post >>332708675 holy shit learn to fucking read
>>332710156
Because salty Nintendrones.
Fresh OC for you guys
>>332710839
Yes, and? I already know that you fucking chimp, that's why I asked why he's shitting on 7 when it shared many elements with 6.
>>332710873
Makes sense.
>>332710630
>initial posts says that 7 kept the same charm as 6 did
>the anon you were fighting with says that it didn't at all
>somehow you morph this as anon shitting on 7 because doing the same standard things as 6
>>332692898
Except for the fact that JRPGs were called Lite RPGs which were influenced by Western RPGs and done for the Japanese casual demographic. This isn't a secret and anyone who isn't an 18 year old knows this. It was never about making decisions, nor branching paths, they have always been trying to emphasize the characters relation and their (his/her) struggle. It has always been Roller Coaster games. But I do agree with the combat part, Turn based has never, ever required skill. You want skills? Go play Brood Wars, Fighting games or Quake. Offline skilled games? Ninja Gaiden: Black, DMC3 Pre-NA patch, Ultima VII, or the Souls series.
>>332710873
Nintendrones doesn't play JRPGs and FF I-VI have a lot of ports and easily emulatable.
>>332711010
>tries to move goalposts
>surprised when people don't follow his shitty argumentation
>>332710524
Not when it is the first time you play the game. After your first Dragon Quest, of course everyone buys herbs in the starting area. As well as searching every single cabinet/cupboard/dresser/basket/pot/etc.
On that note, its stupid that its fucking 2016 and the environment is still pretty much pointless in a FF game. FFXII was the worst at this. Developers spent literally years developing the cities and sewers in the game. Yet you can go around clicking on every pot, crate and barrel...and find nothing. Why even go to all that effort to make the game look good, but it does nothing?
>>332711054
And he has yet to explain his argument. I've already explained why shitting on 7 doesn't make sense while propping up 6 at the same time.
>>332692624
>10 million to break even
>FF7 only recently broke 11 million
shhh, no tears OP. FF will be over next year
>>332711145
As far as I'm concerned I've yet to be proven wrong on 7 not keeping the same charm as 6. If anything you claiming it was "just standard FF fare" only supported my argument. And if you're just going to keep shitposting instead of trying to form a coherent argument then I'm just wasting my time here.
>>332710873
But none of the people introduced via ports and ROMs played them when they came out. So it's still different for them, anon.
>>332711263
OP is a faggot but he is talking about the evolution of FF.
In other hand, good point but we can only blame SE and their FFXV/Versus XIII dev hell.
>>332711263
Has that been adjusted for inflation?
>>332692624
It was never good, the best the gameplay has ever gotten was with Bravely Default and FFT which are both final fantasy spin-offs.
The people behind mainline FF have no idea how to make a proper game, hence the identity-crisis it has compared to Dragon Quest which is a series of almost entirely good games.
>>332711924
>Bravely Default
>>332712051
I said gameplay, AKA: the combat
everything outside of combat in Bravely Default is shit and I will never say it is a good game. Just the combat is good
>>332711924
Too harsh anon. But sadly, you're right. Even the best FF game is just mediocre compared to other game series. And the majority of them aren't even mediocre. They're just plain bad. Which the Final Fantasy fanbase will be the first to point out.
>>332711924
>Bravely Default
Shame because you otherwise had a valid point.
>>332712223
The Final Fantasy fanbase will point out they're all just plain bad EXCEPT the one they played first and/or grew up with.
>>332712170
The same applies to FFX. Good combat, shit everything else.
>>332711130
But none of the people introduced via ports and ROMs played them when they came out. So it's still different for them, anon.
And clearly someone doesn't remember the days when Nintendo was the go-to platform for RPGs. Nfags are still upset about all those developers abandoning them after the SNES.
>>332692624
After yesterday's presentation I'm asking myself how did everything go so right.
It started out as an edgy teen gratification fantasy about Cloud Coldsteel teleporting behind his enemies and killing them with LOTS OF BLOOD gushing everywhere and then stayed in development hell for almost a decade. I can't believe that they not only managed to actually get a release date for it, but also make it look more exciting than the last 4 entries in the franchise put together.
>>332711924
This. Final Fantasy is, and always has been, vastly overrated and overmilked, and even back on the NES days there were far better alternatives even on the same system. Hell even VI, arguably the most highly regarded of the franchise, pales in comparison to other JRPGs which came out around the same time on the same system i.e Chrono Trigger, which mops the floor with VI and the rest of the entire FF franchise.
>>332711924
Gajins are too dumb to appreciate the superior SE series. FF went down hill after Sakaguchi left.
DQ XI looks infinitely better than FFXV.
>>332713013
>Hell even VI, arguably the most highly regarded of the franchise
FFIV, VII and X are praised way more. And on /v/, everyone wets themselves over IX and XII.
No idea where people keep getting this idea that FFVI is so popular.
>>332713110
As much as it pains me to agree with a degenerate weeaboo, you are correct. I'm far more hyped for Persona 5, Star Ocean 5 and even Kingdom Hearts 3 than I am for Final Fantasy XV.
>>332713198
>IV
>praised at all
almost everyone I have talked with shits on IV because it was linear as fuck
>>332713198
VII and X are also shat upon way more especially on here. And VI is generally held in higher regard than even IV, which is commonly regarded as the weakest of the SNES FF trinity.
>>332713198
15 year olds post in /v/ what else is new?
>>332713110
>DQ XI looks infinitely better than FFXV.
And we've only seen two short videos of it. But I agree.
At this point, its more about asking yourself how much of the next Dragon Quest will go right. While at the same time, asking how much of FFXV will go wrong. Just based on the past experience of each series.
>>332692624
you got old.
>>332713270
Everyone talks shit about every FF game. That's why FF threads are thew worst threads on /v/. But the point is that there's more people defending FFIV than FFVI. Which for the last two years, there's been a trend of people whining about how overrated FFVI is. Even when no one ever mentioned FFVI. Someone did it in this very thread earlier.
>>332703762
>>332713641
>there's been a trend of people whining about how overrated FFVI is. Even when no one ever mentioned FFVI.
That's been happening to FFVII regularly for over a decade yet it's still the most popular JRPG in the west.
>>332713641
What's best
Being talked about because people think you're overrated and popular
or
failing so much at being popular nobody talks about you
>>332708413
Not having played VIII-fag detected. I'm replaying through it now and the memory loss is forced down your throat almost constantly
>>332713641
>that massive victim complex
Why are VIfags so insufferable?
>>332713886
>yet it's still the most popular JRPG in the west.
People need to stop forgetting that Pokemon exists. I don't like it, but pretty much any Pokemon game is more popular than FFVII.
>>332714031
Sorry I meant "second-most popular JRPG in the west"
>>332713641
Read the OP you fucking retard.
>>332714009
fucking what? If anything that anon was the one shitting on VI from the beginning
>>332714179
All right then. That's better.
>>332714323
That guy wasn't responding to OP. You retard.
>>332714382
>abloobloo someone said something mean about my favorite game that means everyone hates it
>>332714509
Yes he was.
>>332714625
that's not the fucking point at all, retard, the post you were answering to was shitting on 6 and you somehow took it as victim complex
>>332714883
>>332714757
>>332714509
>>332714382
>>332714009
Holy crap, FF fans don't even have the intelligence to read.
>>332715246
>OP asks when the series went wrong
>answer FFVI
>WOOOOOW LOOK PEOPLE SHIT ON FFVI UNPROVOKED
Full retard.
>>332714883
No, he said that there was a trend of people shitting on VI for being overrated when nobody even mentioned it. Shit like this happens to VII, X and even IX all the time yet nobody bats an eyelash at that. Hell, most of the people shitting on VII, even in this very thread, are fans of VI.
>>332715475
Because VI is the sacred cow of the franchise and it's okay to shit on literally any other game (bonus points for VII) but not VI which is the best JRPG ever.
>>332697239
but its my favorite one :(
>>332708440
You must have loved FF8 then.
Sometimes around when Final Fantasy The Movie almost sank the company and the merge happened.
Then all consistency in the series went out of the window, the last three [single player] numbers all had radically different gameplay and tone beyond everything that was done before, and now Kingdom Hearts gameplay is bleeding back into the main line and threatens to overtake it.
At least it had a good life.
>>332692624
When the shoujo romance became the top priority.
>>332692624
Enix merger
>>332692624
When Sakaguchi left and hacks like Nomura, Nojima and Toriyama were given creative control.
>>332717881
Oh and Tabata a.k.a the moron who ruined Crisis Core and is ruining FFXV.
>>332716395
FFVIII is the epitome of a crappy Shounen romance. As is everything else in a FF game since FFVII.
>>332716469
>Enix bailed out Square
>they ruined the company
I wish Enix hadn't bailed them out and Square would be dead by now.
When Nomura became character designer instead of Amano.
Squaresoft related, anything in the Mana series good besides Sword of Mana?
>>332719790
Legend of Mana is an amazing game, despite not quite having a main story.
>>332719790
Seiken Densetsu 2 has tons of bugs and plays like molasses. But the characters, music and design are good.
Seiken Densetsu 3 basically fixes every problem SD2 had. While adding the choice of six different characters and multiple classes for each character. It also has the best music in the series. Pretty much the best game in my opinion.
Legend of Mana is quite different from the first three games. But still really good.
The rest of the series is pretty much crap.
>>332703028
Isn't that batmans car.
>>332720349
Nomura is obsessed with Batman. And designed a figurine set based on Batman (just looked like a shitty mecha honestly). So I wouldn't be surprised if he insisted on putting a Batman like car into FFXV.
When the job system got the shaft for the character system in 7
>>332703028
I'm sorry, what? What? WHAT?
>>332693421
Also
>description = genre
>>332720590
In 6 you mean. 7's materia is just a reskinning of 6's magicite.
>>332701053
>>332709680
God I hate Amano's Buttz.
>>332708589
>GFs ruin your life
>>332692898
Tabletop RPGs:
>How do we approximate combat in this medium?
>Well, we can do it via dice rolls and taking turns having each individual involved declaring and enacting its action.
Western video game RPGs:
>Okay, we no longer have to approximate combat via chance and turns, we can just get ever closer to the real thing!
Japanese video game RPGs:
>You know, this turn-based combat is kind of cool, let's just run with it and see what kinds of things we can do with it.
Both are perfectly fine approaches and have resulted in plenty of quality products. I really don't understand why both sides are in some kind of eternal dick measuring contest.
It's true though, JRPGs aren't really RPGs per se most of the time; a better title would be something like "Tactical Action-Adventure." Thing is, since they use RPG mechanics as stated above and more or less were meant at their beginning to be a video game approximation of a (Japanese-style) tabletop RPG, the title just stuck. Sorry.
Also, what does this guy expect Capcom to do with regards to DMC?
>Hack and slash
DMC is nothing like Diablo
>Beat 'em up
Also nothing like Double Dragon or River City Ransom.
which was worse:
FFII or FFVIII?personally, i think FFII since VIII at least had a decent world map
>>332721941
>I really don't understand why both sides are in some kind of eternal dick measuring contest.
It goes beyond a simple dick measuring contest when members of one side now wants to retroactively deny the other's right to exist and pretend it hasn't been a staple of gaming for longer than they have even been alive, spouting nonsensical oversimplifications and claims of muh skill as enough justification for doing so.
And claims that it doesn't conform to the strict descriptions of the genre are useless, too, boiling the whole thing down to semantics.
>>332722984
I don't like VIII. I can absolutely see where the people who love it are coming from, it's a rather unique game, but the fact that the game has serious faults not only regarding its story but its gameplay as well, faults that REALLY cannot be understated, really makes me dislike it.Almost as strongly as I dislike XIII.
>>332722984
I'd say VIII because not only was the gameplay every bit as retardedly broken it also had annoying as fuck characters in a convoluted shitsoup story. The music was great though.
>>332722984
FFVIII is the best game in the series. While it is not a great game, no FF game really is. It just did a little better than most other games in the series.
While FFII failed on pretty much every level. Not just the leveling system, but also random encounters, city design, dungeon design and the story. At leat in FFVIII, you don't run into max level Hill Gigas when you're outside the second town.
>>332722984
VIII. Level scaling is one of the worst mechanics of all time and it's incredibly easy to break the game on accident.
I'll be sure to come back and laugh at you all when FFXV becomes a huge success and sweep the 2016 game awards. It will be the new FFVII, you can screencap this.
>>332723338
>FFVIII is the best game in the series. While it is not a great game, no FF game really is. It just did a little better than most other games in the series.
>>>>>332723301
>having to call all the other games shit so that you can justify saying your even shittier game is the best
holy kek
>>332722984
FFII is somewhat fixed with the GBA and PSP ports, FFVIII is a convoluted game in every aspect where the gameplay mechanics make sense and become fun after you beat the game for first time so you can do whatever self imposed challenge you want.
You need an special taste and masochism to really enjoy these games so whatever is less retarded for you is the best one of this pair.
Not reading through this thread anymore but ff9 is for furfags and people with shit taste in videogames. Please stop posting.
>>332723778
>>332723632
>implying it won't be a huge success and sweep all game awards by virtue of its momentum alone, regardless of quality
I'm not even saying it won't be good, I'm saying you might as well say "I'll be sure to come back and laugh at you all when FFXV is released in the west"
>>332723778
You're only making that guy feel better for liking the game that the majority loves to hate. Good job.
>>332723632
>I'll be sure to come back and laugh at you all when FFXV becomes a huge success
>>332723861
Did anyone say Final Fantasy IX?
AKA the subjectively best PS1 Final Fantasy?
