What's the appeal of KH and FFXV. There are tons of good hack and slash games out there. You can play a game with cool combos and excellent controls. So why even bother with FFXV? FF is not what it used to be and it's really bad at what it tries to be.
>>332678761
I haven't played FFXV yet. Have you?
>>332678854
I played the first demo and watched videos of the second one. It's a bad hack and slash game like KH.
>>332678761
Fuck off you fucking crossboarder.
>>332678761
Steaming hot opinions buddy
>>332678761
Anon, FF was also a joke as a turn based game or using ATB, so I don't see your point.
>>332678980
>game isn't out
>demo with an hour of content and clearly unfinished combat comes out
>lol its bad
2/10, saged. Enjoy the (You)'s.
>>332678761
It's like Witcher 3, it doesn't matter if the controls and gameplay are poor, you're playing it for the atmosphere, characters, and story.
>>332678761
its arpg senpai those are held to a lower standard
>>332679512
The Witcher had better combat though.
>characters
The designs of the main characters are incredibly boring. I also don't expect much considering the cast of the last FF games.
>atmosphere
It has the atmosphere of being on a roadtrip through a "fantasy" world. See those shudder quotes? I used them because the creators of the game actually admitted that most of the locations are just real world locations like the grand canyon with typical FF creatures in them. There's even fucking product placement in the game!
>story
Final Fantasy games are not especially known for having a story that makes a lot of sense. The story of FFX, for instance, was about the dream of a dead person traveling to the future to fight his father who had turned into a giant sky-blob. The stories in these games are always batshit insane. The character interactions are what keeps people interested. But the characters in recent FF games suck.
>>332680363
>The Witcher had better combat
Based on the demo, you are horribly incorrect. TW3 combat was a dull trudge with no weapon choices, skill trees were mostly meaningless, and signs were boring/methodical.
At least FFXV's combat is flashy, has weapon variety, and is visually appealing.
>>332680363
Forgot the pic that shows an example of the product placement.
Looking at real world brands really makes you feel immersed in a "fantasy" world, right?
>>332678761
>>332678980
>hack and slash
>>332681028
It is hack and slash, buddy. It fits the definition perfectly.
Try this, its pretty fun
>Broadsword Aircombo
>into Air Shuriken
>into warp to building
>into Greatsword Warp Strike from high up on building
>Greatsword attack- pause- Greatsword attack HOLD (activates Charge Attack)
>Charge up and unlease the damage!
>then cancel that charge attack into tempest (hold stick away from opponent and attack with greatsword while locked on)
>magic aim Fireball(cancels tempest animation)
>fireball Throw
Shit can get pretty crazy. I missed all this shit my first time, but damn I'm glad I experimented my second time.
I feel people complaining about the combat just held O and did nothing else.
>>332681130
This is a hack and slash game, anon
>>332681028
>>332681130
You are fucking stupid. Please stop posting.
>>332680363
>Final Fantasy games are not especially known for having a story that makes a lot of sense. The story of FFX, for instance, was about the dream of a dead person traveling to the future to fight his father who had turned into a giant sky-blob. The stories in these games are always batshit insane. The character interactions are what keeps people interested. But the characters in recent FF games suck.
as expected of an idiot, you miss the point of the games. being unrealistic isn't even a bad thing.
>>332681227
Try playing DMC or Bayonetta. Then come back to FFXV and notice how godawful the controls are by comparison.
>>332681323
Yes. And?
>>332681323
>western hack and slashes
>>332681594
>comparing an SE arpg to DMC
Fucking retard.
When will they learn?
The g-game's gonna be about the main character's b-bonds with each other
>>332681594
>by comparison
Why would you even compare them? They're not even the same genre. Jesus Christ this fucking board..
>>332678980
Kh was a lot of fun, though.
>>332681485
I didn't complain about realism. I pointed out that a drunk 10 year old can come up with a story like that. FF games don't have stories with interesting premises. The stories are just weird. What's interesting are the characters. Now the characters are either boring or cringeworthy. So all that's left is a nonsensical story, some product placement and godawful combat system.
>>332681594
>DMC retard compares an RPG to a pure action game
I love DMC it's one of my favorite games, but you're basically comparing Call of Duty to Fallout: New Vegas.
>>332681768
>SE arpg
It must be fun to make up needless vocabulary, my cis gendered friend.
>>332681594
>comparing two completely unrelated games in different genres
This thread is stupid.
>>332678761
They'refun
>>332681893
They are the same genre.
>>332681920
What's fun about it? The bad combat or the Disney character shoe-ins?
>>332682083
Are you fucking retarded or just pretending?
>>332682225
>They are the same genre.
That's it, I'm outta here.
>>332682149
>herpd derp FFXV is a RPG because it's called FF
Stop this nonsense, kiddo. And don't even bother with this "aRPG" shit. It's a hack and slash game just like DMC. The only difference between the combat is that DMC has far better controls and better combos.
>>332682361
Your failure to pursue this discussion in good faith shows that you are trying to ignore the issue instead of resolving it. What you are doing is akin to a kid in a playground putting his fingers in his ears and screaming to drown it out.
>>332682225
>They are the same genre
No, DMC is an action hack and slash game, and KH, FFXV are Action RPG hack and slash games
>>332682225
I had a boatload of fun with the combat.
Then again, I always start off on the highest difficulty I can, so I can't really compare my experience to someone that plays on normal.
>>332681594
>Comparing an Action RPG to a Hack'n Slash
>>332682225
>They are the same genre.
>>332682383
>It's a hack and slash game just like DMC
>>332682543
DMC isn't a hack and slash, that's Diablo
>>332681948
none of the stories are even that crazy, you're purposely over simplifying it so it looks dumb.
2/10 bait
>tfw when Final Fantasy wants to be a shitty action RPG
>>332682709
Better than a shitty turn based RPG.
>>332682030
If Fallout didn't allow you to freeze combat, the compaison would be fair. If that was the case, Fallout's combat would be the same as the combat in a generic shooter, except that it's more clunky.
>>332678980
>kingdom hearts is a bad hack and slash
You're the guy that plays on easy aren't you.
>>332678761
Batmobiles.
>>332681836
This images makes me sad because jrpgs aren't improving, but wrpgs are getting worse. Even sadder in a time we could play the likes of Arcanum or VtM released in non broken versions.
Thiugh if you really wish to roleplay, just go full /tg/.
>>332682641
no its not hack and slash games are just modern beat em ups
>>332680914
the branding has been "fantasy based on reality" for a decade.
>>332682543
>Action RPG
What's the ACTUAL difference combat-wise except that one is more clunky? Tell me instead of hiding behind your buzzwords.
>>332682641
Wikipedia uses both Diablo and DMC as examples of the hack and slash genre. Your attempt to be a smartass failed.
>>332682951
beat em ups and hack and slash are entirely different
>>332678761
This shit always does and always will continue to piss me off. You win op.
Just because a game has real time combat doesn't mean that it is trying to be Devil May Cry (I know DMC isn't what you mentioned but this is what most people that post this shit mean). These are completely different games that are made for completely different genres. I know most of the time this is just shitposting but if you honestly can't tell the difference between FF15, Dark Souls, or some crazy action game just stop.
>>332682951
That's wrong though. They go under the name stylish action. I know /v/ is retarded but being able to properly understand genre terms should be a requirement to post on this board.
>>332682968
And FF has been shit for a decade. Your point?
>>332683102
stylish is not a genre and no besides DMC fags use it
>>332678761
OP has no sense of adventure
Combat was never the reason to play FF to begin with. But now we might actually get engaging combat
>>332683030
>Wikipedia
>>332683076
>visuals that muddy
>next gen
Jesus Christ how horrifying
>>332683170
Okay if you want to be obtuse then just "action" game is decent enough.
>>332683375
>a low quality webm being muddy
holy shit what
>>332683076
>dem textures
So this is the power of the PS4
>>332683452
the problem with that is that action games are also used for other genres like shooters and platformers
>>332683160
The branding for versus and ffxv numbnuts.
>>332683375
Why are you looking at the background?
>>332683076
>These are completely different games that are made for completely different genres.
Explain the actual difference in the combat. The only difference I can see is that one is less refined. What exactly is FF trying to be? Don't use labels like "action RPG" to tell me what it tries to, but try to explain it with meaingful terms.
I guess FFXV doesn't try to have fluent combat with cool combos? It doesn't try to enable you to combat tons of enemies at once? The player is not supposed to quickly react to attacks and dodge them? Because it REALLY looks like that's what it is going for.
DMC fan here, DMC fags are literally the worst people of their respective genre, if anything tries to come close to their territory or step on their toes, they get instantly triggered and call the game shit for not being exactly like DMC
DMC fags acually think they're game has complexity when it's literally a huge illusion of gameplay when you're only pushing a few buttons at a time to get the bigger number, congrats, you're the lowerst common denominator alive.
At least FFXV and KH aren't trying to be illusive with it's combat, it's simple and knows its simple, while offering other ways to go about combat with summons, magic, and things of that nature.
>>332683550
he's a gay mustard
>>332683617
You're not an actual DMC fan you're just some shitposting faggot like half the people in this thread.
>>332678761
is noctis a 5`7 manlet ?
>>332683030
One doesn't show off how many long ass combos you can make because the other is basically focused on just that? Why can't I just havefunwith whatever I'm playing?
>>332683531
Laws of physics don't work that way.
>>332683676
okay.
>>332683256
When I think of an adventure, I don't think of a roadtrip through the dung heap of a country known as the USA with three fags who look like members of a Japanese boyband.
>>332683550
>having shit taste in waifus
3dpd pls
>>332683719
>laws of Final Fantasy physics
>>332683726
You're also not a very good one apparently.
>>332681227
I had no idea that the combat actually got this deep, the game mentions nothing about skills/air combos. A proper tutorial would have been nice but the game's combat seems WAY deeper than it appeared to be on the surface. Maybe the unsatisfied anons should give it another try with all these revelations, I know I'm going to.
>>332683617
DMC is only one example. Bayonetta is a lot better too. Even fucking Golden Axe is better. The Squeenix devs are out of their comfort zone and have no idea what they're doing. Sadly, the rabid Disney fanbase eats up their games regardless. And now this fanbase is defending FFXV. They really should've put Mickey Mouse into the game as well to please their fans.
>>332683697
Which do you mean? Both are over the top and show off by doing crazy teleportations, saltos or air juggles.
>>332681594
You are an idiot.
>>332684095
Bayonetta is better than DMC buddy, DMC is old news now.
>>332683560
I know what you mean, buddy.
DMC and Bayonetta games are all complete shit. Why don't they have more open environments with multiple characters fighting by your side where you can tell them to do special moves. Where is the mp and item management? Why are the games only 10 to 20 hours long at best? Where are the side quests? These games are just too simple.
Man every crazy action game is complete shit.This is what you sound like
>>332684095
the main appeal behind rpgs are the worlds and exploration that's why combat isnt as important
>>332684476
Dumb frogposter
>>332683531
Oh they put the batmobil into the game as well.
>Coleman
>camping
>fatty food
>trailer parks
>rednecks
>grand canyon
They're really pandering to the Amerifats with this game. Absolutely disugsting.
>>332684226
Again, one focuses on keeping up a combo, the other is just for retarded fun.
WHY CAN'T I HAVE MY RETARDED FUN?!?!?
>This thread.
>>332684730
I'm sure there'll be an outfit with a turban so it can pander to you too achmed
>There are tons of good hack and slash games out there.
Mind naming some?
>>332684586
There are NPCs in those games as well, buddy. Not that you actually need them cause it's boring.
You also have items and magic.
Why are they only 10 to 20 hours long at best? Because the devs probably think that the player will be bored if he is forced to fight the same rehashed enemy recolors for a million times instead of just a few hundred times.
But I guess it's totally fun because the game will have a billion fetch quests that make you run from A to B and then back to A.
>>332684730
I suppose having fun is against Sharia Law right?
>>332685063
Diablo 3
>>332684747
I don't understand what you're saying. Both are about keeping up a combo. What's "retarded fun" exactly?
>>332685009
Perhaps they'll also put a Walmart Fat Scooter into the game to make you really happy, FattyMcFatterson.
>>332685121
>But I guess it's totally fun because the game will have a billion fetch quests that make you run from A to B and then back to A.
You've played the game?
>Platnium baby thinking his opinion means ANYTHING
top kek
>>332680363
You made a thread asking why people liked the game, and he just explained it to you. It doesnt matter if you dont like it.
>>332685121
DMC fags are the last group of people that get to complain a lack of enemy diversity
>>332685191
I don't know. But I sure have a lot of fun when I watch the news and see bitchblood Amerishits shooting each other.
>>332685624
What makes me a DMC fag? The fact htat I mentioned it once?
>>332685751
kinda but you know the old saying "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones:
>>332681836
Source?
>>332685121
The point is that they are all good games, one just focuses almost completely on the combat while the other focuses on all sorts of things. If FF15 doesn't appeal to you that is fine, but don't be surprised just because other people like different stuff in their games than you do.
Here, have a cute Lightning picture
>>332685251
Oh damn it. Look, the hack 'n slash focuses on score, aka upkeeping a combo, because you're being graded on that.
The ARPG focuses on looking cool and making it easier for retards that don't have enough autism to chain combos in a successful manner aka retard fun.
Make sense now?
>>332686036
I agree with you but this is an obligatory fuck you for mentioning lighting
>>332686126
you know as well as i do that its possible to beat a stylish game without performing a single combo and that the game will not punish you for doing that and the only difference between these two games is the number of potential combos
>>332684912
Nah, i'd say this thread is more of this.
Also this bait is booty.
kh2 has a pretty fun combat system with a decent amount of depth. it was one of my first hack and slash games, so i think that nostalgia i hold for the series plays a big part in why i still find some appeal in it today.
ffxv's combat is a step backward from what i played from the demo yesterday. it takes kh2's combat and simplifies it to a pretty silly extreme: hold circle to attack and press square occasionally to dodge attacks from enemies. the later kh games have more complexity to their combat system than that: kh2, bbs, and 3d to name a few. i'm hoping xv gains some combat depth before i become interested in buying it.
>>332686036
What sorts of things? All the elements you mentioned are present in other hack and slash games too.
You're basically saying that it doesn't matter that the combat is ass because the game has other stuff.
>>332686453
Yeah, but it makes you feel like shit if you don't do it.
>>332686126
Yes I get it now. Thanks for elaborating.
>everyone obsessively comparing Bayo/DMC to FFXV
>everyone obsessively comparing FFXV to Persona 5
>/v/ will never stop complaining for the sake of complaining
Stop with the us vs. you mentality shit all the goddamn time. The game has tons of faults sure but comparing them to completely unrelated games is so fucking stupid.
>>332686853
that doesn't change the fact that the flaws you listed also apply to the genre you love so think a little before throwing stones in a glass house
>>332686678
To be fair, FFs combat has never been all that complex. 1-3 was traditional turn-based combat with 4 then bringing in the ATB gauge to the mix and that's been used for 20 years throughout each variation with the exception of 10.
I think FF should get rid of the combat system altogether. They will never implement a good strategic turn based system like FF tactics in one of their future flagship games and the current combat is utter garbage. The fans of the current FF series don't care about combat at all. So just turn it into a game like Heavy Rain or Until Dawn. Then you can show the protagnoists do crazy moves while the player presses buttons during a quick time event.
>>332685647
>bitchblood Amerishits shooting each other.
I understand where you live, the concept of self-defense must be confusing. How else can someone let rioters and illegal immigrants into their country with a smile?
>>332686753
You are not very observant
That's fine, enjoy what you enjoy
Here is another pic of a cutie from FF Type-0
>>332683531
>that webm
YOOOO WTF
WE BATMOBILE NOW NIGGA
>>332687025
Whatever, Can I have retarded fun now?
>>332678761
FFXV I've been waiting for for years and I want to see how it turned out.
KH is a fucking trainwreck of a story and I want to see the disastrous ending
>>332687246
Despite all the "rioters" and "illegal immigrants", my country still has a far lower crime rate than the US, fatty. I guess your atrocious public education system never properly taught you math and that's why you turned into a paranoid lunatic who is afraid of brown terrorists despite the fact that you're far more likely to be killed by one of your fellow citizens, or even a toddler.
>>332687350
In other words, you're out of arguments.
>>332687718
hey dumbass who was it that caused 2 world wars again?
>>332687983
The Jews
>>332687948
not him but let me try crazy games like bayonetta and DMC have the same flaws because you know as well as I do that you can button mash you're way to victory
>wahh wahh why do people play games I dont like wahh :c
>>332688096
no it was Europe being stupid as usual
>>332687983
So now you're invoking the concept of inherited guilt? You sure you want to go there, fatty? Bitchblood Americunts are the offspring of the drecks of Europe who genocided the friendly natives, turned vast swathes ofp roductive land into dust bowl wastes and were heavily involved in slave trade.
>>332688704
what makes you think that I'm white or the person that you were talking to?
ps you guys did the same thing but on a worldwide stage so you're arguably worse
>>332688212
>wahh wahh why do people criticize games I like wahh :c
>>332678761
I honestly don't get it either, and I watched the entire event, including the pre-show. It's cringeworthy as fuck at this point, and I don't use this word often.
I tried to get on the hype train, but it never happened. Why should I care about these 4 emo guys dressed in black driving a black car? They're some the most uninteresting characters in one of the most uninteresting universes I've ever seen in any medium. Even the story seems like tryhard fantasy shit without any flavor.
As for the gameplay, from what I've seen it looks OK, but the framerate is all over the place, the stealth is practically automated, etc.
The graphics are impressive on a technical level but honestly who the fuck cares? I pay for video games, not tech demos of extreme production value.
Reminder that people dropped 300 shekels on this shit.
>>332688926
Excuse me? Do you think I'm British or something?
The British empire was indeed pretty bad. However, the British empire not as bad as the US is today. And even if it was, I don't believe in inherited guilt. I blame the Brits of today for helping the Amerishits when they violate international law.
By the way, even if your forefathers were black and brought to your dung heap of a country against their will, YOU nevertheless pledged allegience to it.
>>332689083
Your opinion is shit, that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
No matter how hard you try, your shit tastes won't let you understand. It's kinda sad in a way.
>>332689274
I'm not black either and I've never pledged allegiance to any nation because my loyalty is to myself and no one else
>>332689083
Finally. I'm glad that I'm not alone.
>>332689414
So you're not an Amerishit? Then don't feel addressed.
>>332680847
>no weapon choices
Circumnavigated via weapon upgrades - I enjoyed freezing, burning, poisoning, and otherwise fucking up the multitude of monsters I came across in TW3.
>skill trees mostly meaningless
Comfirmed for not having played the game - you should check out high end Alchemic paths that allow absolutely insane damage modifiers, or some of the sign paths that lead to absolute wreckage, or some of the bomb builds.
>sighs boring/methodical
As opposed to gameplay that consists of holding down square or circle?
>At least it looks good!!!
The Witcher 3 looks better than this - I've just stopped playing the Witcher, and have just this second stopped playing the demo. It wasn't very good.
>>332689809
so it has plenty of damage modifiers
>>332689982
>claims skill trees are irrelevant
>gets refuted
>wow so they do something, big deal
I hope you're one of those guys who pretends to be retarded
>>332690382
skills are supposed to make a significant impact in the way you play a game and stats are designed to modify uninteresting aspects like damage modifiers so if your skill tree is filled with the latter its a shitty system
>>332678761
>It's not turn-based like my childhood FFs, so it sucks
There, condensed your post. You can thank me later.
>>332678761
Because it's not a character action game and it's not trying to be. Just like Elder Scrolls and Witcher before it the combat will be shit and no one will care because everything else will be so good.
This thread is stupid as fuck.
>>332678761
>What's the appeal of KH and FFXV.
Action games for dummies. That's it. It's what morons play because they don't understand how to play games like dmc, bayonetta, ninja gaiden,etc.
Plus they are actually retarded enough to like Nomura's Naruto tier storytelling.
>>332694163
stop trying to bump your own thread op
>>332694163
>dmc, bayonetta, ninja gaiden,etc
I love those game, and these games. I think you're just an elitist retard who can't differentiate genres.
noctis is a 5`7 manlet? for real ?
>>332678761
>There are tons of good hack and slash games out there.
Cool.
But I don't see how that's relevant. FFXV and KH are action-RPGs, not hack'n'slash games.
Anyway, to answer your question OP, the appeal of KH, for me, is that it's fucking fun.
The gameplay is great
The music is great
The story isgreat
I always have a good time with KH (except for Days)
As for FFXV, I've enjoyed Duscae and Platinum Demo, so I'm getting the game.
I have no idea what the story is like, I'm purposefully keeping myself in the dark for just about everything outside of the demos.
The music is turning out fantastically.
>FF is not what it used to be
What did it used to be? Last I checked every mainline FF introduces new mechanics or concepts that can and have completely changed the way the game is played.
Not to mention XV's previous life as a non-main title.
>and it's really bad at what it tries to be
If you're stupid enough to call it a hack'n'slash, sure.
But it's an action-RPG, and I feel that it's doing an alright job at it from what I can tell.
>>332681594
>This story focused JRPG with somewhat action-oriented combat isn't as intricate as these game series entirely about action combat
Who would have guessed. Next let's compare Yakuza 5's hunting side story to Cabela's hunting games.
>>332682225
Fucking this. Fuck you khinsider queers, go back to your mess of a game and leave ours alone.
>>332680847
Why do people like TW3 so much, then?
>>332695086
Wow, it took you this many words to write "I'm a flaming faggot." Gj English not your first language?
>>332695086
>square/disney jewry
These games are a fucking cringefest.
>>332698363
The story and the atmosphere. No one gives a shit about the combat in rpgs, that's why they got away with being literally just menus for so long.
>50 hours
>kingdom hearts in disguise
>gay boy band
There is no hope for XV left...
>>332698614
Can you try to come up with an argument without memeing?
Stop hating on KH
KH2FM has the best ARPG combat ever
People play JRPGs for the world/story/characters/charm/etc. Good gameplay can be a bonus but it's not an absolute requirement. They're not as focused on core mechanics as DMC/Bayonetta/etc.
I literally can't tell when kh shilling ends and trolling begins, did kh trolling start the online trolling trend? Is that why kh is successful?
I actually like the gameplay in XV for the most part, but what is even the point of the warp strikes? They make the game overly easy since you can remove and put yourself back in the action at will, and warping to the same five points over and over while fighting a boss gets old real fast. They also, unfortunately, seem to be the only way to beat a boss without chipping away at them for twenty minutes.
>>332678761
Most won't admit it. But it's all about the fashion. The style.
Most people who play this king of stuff, only care about the aesthetic.
I'm lumping in Nep, Tales of, Atelier, Rune Factory, Senran Kagura... Basically all the things that appeal to weebs, are really just shallow platforms for characters to appear stylish. Like a runway modelling show.