Is it going to live up to the DOOM name?
>>332618919
No.
Remember the guy who wasn't as badass as DOOMGuy and was all like, hey, wait up for me! This game is that guy.
Doom 2 didn't for many people.
It's impossible.
>Space Marine on Mars
>Woken from cryogenic sleep
>State of the art armor suit
>Fighting literal demons in outer space
>Uses a pump action shotgun
>>332619197
>chainsaws on mars
>>332618919
Not without mod support.
>>332618919
Doom is one of the like top three most influental games of all time so it's some big shoes to fill.
>>332618919
Only if DOOM's name was already ruined by 3 for you.
>>332619089
it was better than 3
>>332618919
No. But it's going to be a good game.
Original Doom was step up from everything previously done. If they wanted to do the same thing with Doom 4, they would need to make it some VR type stuff.
Probably not
>>332618919
The multiplayer looks like a really slowed down Quake 3. Hope the SP delivers.
>>332623162
>2 weapon limit
>loadouts
"A really slowed down Quake 3" is overselling it.
>>332618919
They should keep it simple but they wont and so they will fuck with everything until its no longer DOOM
>>332618919
It might be its own thing in single player and maybe it'll be fun, but multiplayer wise its just a worse Halo 5.
>>332618919
/v/
Hey, /v/
DOOD or MOOM?
a shit shooter with crap standstill ai
yeah
>>332625260
Isn't outsourcing wonderful. It looks like shit though
>>332618919
Looking forward to those checkpoints, mission objectives and cinematic unskippable cutscenes (kills).
Looking at the multiplayer, looks like gory Halo with pentagrams.
But, it'll sell because it's marketed to the never-played-but-heard-it's-hardcore demographic, or the people who will only play Doom with the Brutal Doom mod.
It'll end up ahead of T4FFER and DmC, but only by a margin, shittalking it here will bring in a defense squad.
If they named it ANYTHING but Doom, even Doom 4 or Doom: Rehash, it wouldn't seem so cynical, but Bedshitter, what can you do?
How come despite being released over 20 years ago, doom 1 and 2 are still so insanely fun to play?
>>332626229
because they are actually good games? why the fuck do you think they are fun, retard?
>>332626229
Tens of thousands of mods, a diehard fanbase and proper level design (Doom 2 vanilla maybe not so much) and gameplay balance?
All things dead in the modern market, if not deliberately neutered by modern publishers?
>>332619089
>>332619556
No, Doom 2 had some seriously shit level design.
>>332626229
Why wouldn't it be? The only games that are unenjoyable to playthrough nowadays relied on novelty rather than good design. Doom has great design.
>>332618919
And what if it doesn't? Then what?
THEN WHAT?
Why does your entire life and happiness hinge on the quality of a single specific video game franchise?
no
>>332626667
Solid design can hold throughout the years it seems.
>>332619081
good comparison friend
>>332626392
it's one of my greatest frustrations, Doom 2 adds the new enemies and SSG, but Doom's maps are SO MUCH better
>>332626916
what the fuck is that
>>332627329
taunts
>>332618919
as if
>>332627329
and poptart guns
J9G2-LJNG-TAC7PS4closed beta key. Don't be confused if it shows up as an alpha key.
>>332618919
I mean, every Doom since has shown that it's not possible to, but that doesn't mean it won't be good. Doom is great because of its influence and simplicity, those things aren't really replicable today.
>>332628512
Thanks anon
>>332629845
No problem. Sent my PS4 for repairs today and got the key shortly after that, at least someone can use it now.
>>332629971
Fair enough, I'll make good use of it
>>332618919
Not even a little. I still think it will be fun though. Single player should be a solid 6-7/10 romp. Multiplayer will probably have an okay base of players, enough to enjoy it for about a year. Should be about a 6/10 in terms of that. A fun game to dick around in here and there.
How they go about it with the modding community will see if it's going to be talked about positively IMO. Everyone knows it can't live up to the hype, probably even those who created it. My fear is that they will want to introduce cosmetics and other things to it and shut down modding opportunities to make sure they can release their own DLC. Game companies don't seem to see the value in releasing their on DLC as well as giving modders the opportunity to mess around too.
>>332629483
Great way to say it. What it brought to the table is no longer something that can happen in its genre. Trying to recapture what it did is impossible.
>>332630523
You better do. I'm pretty mad at not being able to use it.
>>332627858
This looks like a someone cut open a bag of Doritos and just pasted it all over a gun
I hate Bethesda
>>332618919
Not a chance inHell
Probably still gonna be a fun shooter though.
>>332626392
I like that level. My friends hated it though.
I might end up buying the game just for the Multiplayer/SnapMap.
Bethesda seems to know what they're doing since Doom 4 would have been a Call of Duty reskin from id Software.
>>332630589
Blame CS:GO for that, Bedshitter just monkey saw.
>>332631441
>Bethesda seems to know what they're doing
>instead of a call of duty reskin we get a Halo reskin
>snapmap shit instead of actual mod tools
nope
>>332631783
"Seems to know" being the operative term, I didn't say Bethesda knows what they're doing.
>instead of a call of duty reskin we get a Halo reskin
I was talking about the campaign, also what's worse? Call of Duty or Halo?
>snapmap shit instead of actual mod tools
Only because it was developed with dirty console peasants in mind.
Besides, how many FPS games within recent years came w/ mod tools?
When does the beta start? Sposed to be today
>>332632270
10 PM EST
See you in the beta, senpai.
>>332632220
I actually kinda look forward to having more multiplayer map layouts avaliable on consoles with the snapmap.
>>332632530
>10 PM EST
how far is that in hours from now?
>>332633224
shit. ok, thanks my man
>>332632750
From what I've heard on the E3 2015 Demo, I believe you'll be able to create your own 4 player death-match map, not just L4D/CoD co-op maps.
>>332618919
No. It plays like someone made a Brutal Doom-type mod for a Halo game.
>>332633829
Wait, you can create coop maps to begin with? Didn't even know that.
>>332633829
Cool. Maybe I'll be able to recreate some Quake 3 maps in the layout?
>>332633905
Anyone that hoped or expected that the game was gonna play like Doom 1&2 is a fool.
>>332632750
Why would you care about getting more maps on a garbage version of the game?
>>332634054
I expected it to at least play like Doom 3, but nope, it just plays like recent Halo titles with some elements from Brutal Doom.
>>332634112
Doom 3 was boring as fuck. Why the hell would they go for that?
>>332634226
Because it's marginally less boring than Halo?
>>332634112
>Why would you care about getting more maps on a garbage version of the game?
Because I like the idea of consoles having some kind of modding options.
>>332634054
No game since Doom/Doom 2 has played like Doom/Doom 2, so why would I hype myself for something that I know is unachievable?
Doom 4 looks fun, and I've been playing Doom for almost 20 years
>>332634226
aside from the very small linear levels and some guns being kinda shit doom 3 was pretty good much better than halo
>>332634259
Incredible shitposting.
The gunplay and multiplayer in Halo was better.
Whatever you do, don't click this image.
It'll agitate the Skeleton.
>>332634461
If you ignore that it's console-only sure. Modern Halo games are pretty shit in both regards and neither game actually has good gunplay.
>>332618919
Nah.
It'll probably live up to the Halo name though.
>>332634259
>>332634419
Doom 3 has aged like milk. It wasn't a good game when it was released and it's sure as hell not a good game by todays standards either. All I can remember is running around in dark hallways, looking for passwords in peoples email, jumpscares fucking all the time and a very shitty end boss that you basically fight with quicktime.
>>332634486
>>332633956
Watch the E3 Demo.
>>332634054
Of course it's not gonna play like Doom1/2, it's being released for PS4/XB1 as well.
>will this new, fun DOOM game with extremely good graphics and gore live up to the standards of menchildren who shouldn't be playing video games anymore?
Probably not, but that doesn't matter. It will be a good game and anyone who is old enough to have played the original DOOM games is just some old, balding and bitter fuck who can't enjoy games anymore anyways.
Obviously this game is marketed towards a younger generation. Understandably, because oldfags can NEVER be satisfied anyways.
>>332618919
to the doom3 name, maybe
depends how fast can you go, if it's somewhat similar to TNO -might be fun
>>332634686
nah i blazed through it about a week ago on veteran it's still pretty good
the textures show their age for sure but the lighting, audio and animations are on point
>>332634835
>TNO
>good
>>332634908
I forced myself to play it through a year ago and gave up after 6 hours because I kept thinking of other things I would rather be doing.
>>332634981
TNO was good in terms of it being an alternate history time line, it's game engine displaying the beauty that is 1960 Nazi Edition and giving you the option to run and gun or stealth when it presented itself.
I will say that the only downsides imho is:
-short campaign levels
-lack of multiplayer
-small variety of guns
>>332618919
That cover reminded me of that Bomberman for Xbox. What a terrible Doomguy.
>>332635340
Would've been nice if TOB unlocked its guns for TNO too.
>>332635340
it's good by modern fps standards i guess...
it really has it's moments if short lived and looks really nice at times but it's mostly below average stuff and has a lot of shitty design among other things that drag it right down
>>332620841
Or they'd need to at least not make it a Halo clone
I'm just happy we're getting an ultraviolent FPS with demons instead of just Russians, aliens or the Mad Faux post apocalypse.
>>332635427
>unlocked its guns
By that do you mean how as you progress you find newer weapons? I barely remember TOB.
>>332635703
Shitty design how?
>>332637230
>By that do you mean how as you progress you find newer weapons? I barely remember TOB.
Nah I just mean being able to use TOB guns in TNO.
How many hours left until closed beta?
>>332638796
13hs and 10ms
>>332638796
You're a beta at all hours.
>>332639458
thanks gotta go sleep
>>332618919
Yes it will, but it will just be dismissed as another FPS in an age where the genre is getting stale and slowly dying outside Multiplayer
The first Doom games weren't anything special either, not GOTY but good regardless
Have people already started downloading the beta?
Needs multiplayer like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2WYX7wN3MU
>>332626392
That is the only shit level, tho. One could argue that Barrel's O'Fun and Nirvana are shit too, but even so that's just three levels.
And I like the Chasm, as do many others. So whatever.
>>332641690
You're never going to get something like that again anyway, might as well stop asking for it.
>>332641751
>Forgetting Downtown and The Factory.
It looks pretty fun, but also pretty casual
>>332627329
I think it's a stock animation of a tom jones dance.
It looks like its going to be a great game for those of us who hated Doom and Quke but love Halo 1 and 3
>>332641751
>Barrel's O'Fun
>bad
it's one of the best levels
>>332641751
>Forgetting the horribly designed city levels
I want to play some chocolate Doom, recommend me some good wads anons.
Where can I get a key? I need one. :/
>>332644460
>Chocolate Doom
Just play (g)zDoom already lad. And community chests are decent. If you don't want the highest quality wads, but maps from more novice mappers, check out dump 1 and 2. And for the rest, there's always everythign in the SYWPD infopic related.
>>332644565
Preorder wolfenstein TNO
>>332641690
24/7 aerowalk no thanks
new video i guess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSZ4tSoumNk
>>332645653
How can you hate the game after watching that?
I doubt it, though it does look like it might be a decent non-Doom game
It looks like literally Halo with demons and gore
>>332645653
>>332645749
Nothing really happened. He just sorta ran around winded and looked awkward as fuck like someone cosplaying DOOM guy.
If this game actually looks like Halo to you, maybe you should finally play Halo, honestly.
>>332641751
even the first and second level are fucking terrible
as someone who doesn't even like the Super Shotgun (unless we're talking Doom Roguelike) I would play 1 over 2 anyday.
>>332626392
>he couldn't walk in a straight line
>>332618919
The only thing that pisses me off is how tryhard edgy the game is trying to be.
I feel like this is going to be Duke Nukem Forever 2.0
Original Doomguy was a good hearted dude forced to save the planet by circumstance.
This "NOT MASTER CHIEF" guy is built to fight fucked up shit.
It kind of ruins what was so appealing about Doom and Quake style games.
>>332646959
>ood hearted dude
what
>>332647026
>not reading the game manual to find out what the fuck is going on.
You must be 15
>>332646959
We literally know nothing about new DOOMGUY's backstory. For all we know he could still be a dude with a strong sense of justice and owns a pet bunny.
>>332647316
literally in the game manual
>"one of Earth's toughest, hardened in combat and trained for action", who has been incarcerated on Mars after assaulting a senior officer when ordered to fire upon civilians.
but I agree that we know nothing about NuDoomguy but from the look of the trailers he seems to not give a shit.
Idk maybe I'm just too old to enjoy all the flashing cutscene melee kills and civilian face smashing retina reading shit.
>>332640617
>The first Doom games weren't anything special
Were you even alive in 1993?
>>332618919
No.
It's not even a question.
>>332640617
>The first Doom games weren't anything special either
0/10
>>332647479
I think I have a theory for why DOOMGUY was so disrespectful to that guy's corpse - was probably one of the cultist responsible for the demon invasion, so to hell with respect!
>>332647227
>Not knowing that Doomguy is the second coming
http://pastebin.com/ARREZncc
>>332645653
At least the movement in this video is accurate to the actual gameplay.
Now when will they stop lying by calling it 'fast'?
>>332647984
It sure is hella fast compared to the current standard.
Cinematic trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSZ4tSoumNk
>>332648026
back 2 rebbit
think of it this way: the real name for first-person-shooters is "doom clones." Every single one of them has failed to live up to that name. Yes, even Duke3d and blood. So no, DOOM isn't any special snowflake because it's called DOOM. It's a game developed by the bastard foster children of id and currently owned by Bethesda. It'll be a modern first-person-shooter.
My current opinion is that it looks like a slightly better version of Halo that'll be DOA in the multiplayer front
>>332648087
...how is that simply not true? Are you actually this retarded?
>>332648106
You mean Wolfenstein 3D clones.
>>332648106
>the real name for first-person-shooters is "doom clones."
Are you drunk
>>332648254
yeah yeah yeah
>hurr I know nerd culture! wolf3d came out before doom see haha how nerdy I am :^)
the terminology through the mid and late 90's was doom clones you faggot
>>332648376
You know, I'd agree with you if FPS games nowadays actually tried to emulate Doom.
But hey guess what, they don't.
>>332638796
closed beta? WHAT? does everyone who bought it get to play it?
>>332625282
TOOT
>>332648458
>>332648347
>they literally weren't even alive in the 90's
jesus
fucking
christ
im not talking about genre classification. im talking about how people actually talked about video games. the term first person shooter didnt exist for years after doom came out. fps games were called doom clones. thats how the genre began. fucking jesus christ you retarded kids.
>>332648607
You literally said the FPS genre's real name is "doom clones" you retard.
>>332648254
wolfenstein 3d was a catacombs 3d clone
>inb4 some faggot says happyball like its anything like catacombs or wolfenstein
>>332618919
I think the new Doom would be a bad deal for us all, because we already have a doom too rich in gameplay. What do we get out of this new doom? Nothing. Let's not do bad deals, let's only do the best deals.
Well, I'll tell you this my friend, whoever made this new subpar Doom should be ashamed of themselves. Dying before release! That's no way to make a Doom. You want a Doom made, you've got to go somewhere where they know how to make Doom. Trump Dooms, Inc. will make you a Doom like you've never seen. Now that's a Doom! Our Doom won't die. Because we know how to make the best Doom. The best!
And let me clear something up right here. I never said Bethesda is a franchise rapist. Just because I said Bethesda rapes franchises doesn't mean I said Bethesda is a franchise rapist. Don't get me wrong, some of my best friends work for Bethesda. I assume they're not raping, but he probably is.
I'm going to have to consult my lawyers on this one. All the best ones. They're not hired yet, but I'll do so. And I'll do a hostile takeover. With the best lawyers. Jack Thompson I'm thinking.
>>332648649
yes numbnuts. the genre is called "doom clones" and the name changed to "first person shooters." they refer to the same thing. What im saying is that all first person shooters have failed to live up to doom and that asking this question about DOOM is kind of redundant and unnecessary
>>332648607
ive never agreed with "doom clones'. it doesn't make sense, duke nukem 3d , rise of the triad, etc is similar but it is not a fucking clone it does its own shit and the only even similar game to doom is heretic.you know what they all do share in common? first person perspective
>>332648805
Do you know why the shift in naming happened, anon?
>>332627207
>it's one of my greatest frustrations, Doom 2 adds the new enemies and SSG, but Doom's maps are SO MUCH better
this is pretty obviously true, but the fundamental thing is that the new enemy types essentially forced the more open levels.
D1:
> hitscan-wielding fodder: grunts and sergeants
> melee-only: demons/spectres, lost souls
> slow-projectile: imps, cacodemons, barons
and that was it. as long as you could pick off humans and dodge slow projectiles and melee, you were golden.
levels sections could be more claustrophobic without limiting enemy choice too much.
D2:
> hitscan spammer: HWDs, arch-viles, non-boss spider masterminds
> rapid projectile spamming: arachnotrons, mancubus, non-boss cyberdemons
> homing projectile: revenant
> enemy spawn spamming: pain elementals, arch-viles
pretty much all the added enemies except hell knights were about forcing players behind cover or giving them huge arenas to dodge around in.
you really couldn't have added them successfully into Doom 1's level design.
>>332648967
I always liked Doom 2s huge levels. Downtown is fucking insanity. I love it.
The game is simple, all it has to do is let me kill demons as violently as possible. Thats it.
>>332619081
But that is DOOMGUY. HE WAS TRYING TO SAVE HIS FRIEND FROM INEVITABLE DOOM. DID YOU NOT SEE DOOMGUY HAD A PISTOL AND HOSTLER.
>>332645653
>tfw no shitty 3do doom fmv's
>>332648347
fps games were just called doom clones for years before anyone came up with "first person shooter" or "shoot 'em up"
I'm cautiously optimistic for the SP. Not that I think it'll ever come close to being as good as Ultimate Doom, but hitting somewhere around Half-Life levels of enjoyability is what I'm expecting.
That latest live action trailer, though. That was *exceptionally* bad. Below B-movie tier actor playing the marine.
>>332619468
Maybe two or three people who mod current Doom would even be able to do anything with a modern engine, anyway. It'd need some revolutionary mod tools to top the ease of modding the Doom community's mod tools bring to the table.
>>332618919
Doom name = 2d hallway shooter.
I'm sure they can handle it
>>332647489
>>332647641
Well, i was born in 1993 and i got to play the game when i was 7, i liked the game back then but you can't argue against the fact that the Doom games became famous because
>GORE, SO HARDCOAR
>SHOOT STUFF AND WATCH MONSTERS EXPLODE IN BLOOD
it's how the game was advertised and how the game pretty much played, but it was something new and fresh because there weren't many games like Doom at the time
this new DooM game looks just like it should but it won't get the same reception because it looks just like
>GORE, SO HARDCOAR
>SHOOT STUFF AND WATCH MONSTERS EXPLODE IN BLOOD
but that's not cool anymore, isnt it
>>332630589
>>332649536
>Americans think this looks edible
>>332649685
We only think so because we grew up with it. We know it looks like it's not edible, but we know it is, and we know it tastes nice sometimes.
>>332649523
That's only a fraction of what makes Doom fun, it's all about that speed which they completely ditched.
>>332649118
This theory is stupid, because why then do you start the game on Phobos while the cover was clearly in Hell?
Whoever came up with this dumb theory is dumb. The person behind DOOMGUY is supposed to be the co-op partner, Carmack said so himself.
>>332618919
Beta Tester here.
The player model is garbage, customization is garbage, and the emotes are not only sloppily animated, but they ripped off the Carlton dance straight from Destiny.
This game looks like it'll be another AAA disappointment.
It'll be better than Doom 3.
>>332650016
doubt it
>>332650146
>>332650092
You're supposed to hate Doom 3, guys.
>>332650186
>You're supposed to
If you want a hivemind, you're welcome to go to reddit. Also, as something considered seperate from Doom 1/2, or as a different spin on doom (horror-ish FPS vs action FPS), Doom 3 did quite well, and its tech is great for its day.
>>332650016
That would be true if there was modding
Instead we have a prefab level maker for consoletards
>>332650553
It was a joke you retard.
Doom 3 was hated for a long time on /v/ and now that they're making a 4th one, revisionists are gonna love it, it's amazing.
>>332650016
definitely. the only people who disagree with this are those who have nostalgia for 3 and very likely have never played any doom before it
>>332642179
Literally my two most favorite levels of Doom.
>>332626392
>you need to walk straight
>shit level design
>>332651431
It is when Y axis of mouse is bound to moving forward and backwards.
>>332630589
to be fair, that gun is customized to look like shit by someone with bad taste. I loaded up the beta and opted against customizing guns at all because frankly the defaults look better.
>>332649773
The game is still quick and relies on movement to stay alive rather than cover and regenerating health. It may not be Quake-fast anymore but to suggest they ditched speed entirely is ludicrous when it's the basis of the game's design.
>>332651535
just turn it off
>>332652850
You couldn't back then.
>>332652886
so fucking what? that isn't a problem NOW. have you just been repeating the same obnoxious bullshit in an echo chamber for 20 years now?
>>332652302
yeah it's still fast-ish generally but there isn't any kind of movement to help you evade shots or out-maneuver an opponent it's really the same deal as halo just shoot at each other till someone dies.
>>332632530
How do you already have the option to download/preload it?
I registered my beta key yesterday to my email.
>>332653868
look for it in your steam library then
>>332653578
Fair, but I'd say that's the conceit of any shooter -- shoot someone till they die. NuDoom at least affords you different ways to fuck with people, like the double jump and the personal teleporter thing. I played the alpha and you can definitely outmaneuver less skilled people imo.
>>332654030
nigger what witchcraft was that
Thanks.
I guess they just crossreference where Wolfenstein was redeemed and then allocate it to that account.
>>332618919
The demons feel more like zombies than demons. They don't think individually. Want like each one to speak with a deep horse voice saying shit in demonic tounges talking about how they are going to rip me in half like resident evil 4.
They all just scream. Why can't they speak a language? Is that how doom originally portrayed demons? Are they animals? I mean they wear jetpacks and cyber shit so at least some of them must be able to speak instead of just growl.
>>332654337
Their language consists of screaming. I'm sorry it's too subtle for you, biggot-kun.
>>332654337
In Classic Doom they growled/groaned and, yes, the Revenants screamed at you.
In Doom 3 the possessed/zombified soldiers said stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAsiuMiFoPE
