Galaxy killed 3D Mario from staying in the format of a "3D" Mario, while that it tried to be story-heavy 2.5D platformer full of useless planetoids and unneeded minigame-esque segments like pointing at the stars or paying up starbits to unlock an level area.
giant backstories should stay in RPGs such as Paper Mario, but we all know who was the real culprit of the sudden change to the spinoff series aside Miyamoto who was clearly giving some advice. (it was Kensuke Tanabe)
unlike Galaxy, 3D World did the job correctly. tried to be another and basic traditional Mario but in the same time kept the spirit and appearance of an actual 3D Mario..
same for Sunshine, despite it's horrid flaws compared to 64, it was still an average and experimental 3D Mario game. really, the game didn't deserve metroidfag-like hate it gotten when it was released.
Nintendo will never give up on Galaxy due to how rude the fans will be if they don't get another one anytime soon. newer 3D Marios will come but Galaxy won't stay out of it's influence.
>>332564030
TL DR
>>332564030
Sunshine had more story to it than Galaxy did.
>>332564105
the subject
I've never been a fan of Galaxy, I'm glad they finally got it right with Super Mario 3D World.
cool story bro
>>332564196
>cheap ass vacay story vs. a space opera with a near-NGE pull at the end of the game (bonus: a tragic story book written by Koizumi)
only thing Sunshine had was an unskippable cutscenes, mediocre voice cast, and "it's so bad, it's good" one-liners
>>332564030
>unlike Galaxy, 3D World did the job correctly
The story kept Mario from being stale bullshit. Granted, you are correct that it was a bit TOO linear, and I would like to see the SM64 format return.
You already posted this in that Metroid thread
>>332564903
This, I mean, how can you praise Linear World in the same breath that you trash Linear Galaxy?
>>332564030
You know you didn't have to read the storybook, right?
There is nothing wrong with story as long as it doesn't take priority over gameplay.
>>332565150
>The story kept Mario from being stale bullshit.
>stale bullshit
sounds like the entirety of Mario platformers sans RPGs
sorry you wanted the games to go into the path Sonic '06 head to. i think you're maybe a fan of the SMB movie too.
>>332565294
the game was still story-heavy even ignoring the rosalina storybook.
>>332565695
The story was the least of that game's problems.
>>332565824
what the fuck are you going on about
>>332565824
Nah m8
Just another 'beat Bowser and save everything' story
>>332566146
>beat bowser
>he actually kills himself
>save everything
>original universe got destroyed
>resetted with a reborned one
>tfw no 64-2
>>332566553
>all of this takes place during a single cutscene at the end of the game
Yeah dude, really story-heavy game you got there.
>>332565217
meant to post it as a new thread, it gave me the chance to add whatever else i need on the OP
>>332564818
That's scale. Galaxy had a story that's big in scale, but there was practically no plot in between the very beginning and very end of the game.
>>332564030
>newer 3D Marios will come but Galaxy won't stay out of it's influence.
good, Galaxy 2 is the best 3D mario, the only Mario better than it is SMB3
>>332567779
>>332564129
>he said something bad about Galaxy, it's bait!
every single time with you insecure fucks
keep posting that animu bait pics while you can
>>332567926
>the only Mario better than it is SMW
fixed
>Play every every mario up to the game cube
>Loved all of them
>Buy a Wii with Galaxy and Brawl
>Hate both of them and stop playing nintendo games
Seems like I didn't miss much
>>332568086
>L I T E R A L L Y one of the highest rated and well liked games of all time
Saying anything bad other than minor criticisms is inherently bait. I really hope you aren't stupid enough to not realize this.
>>332568721
all fucking 3D Mario games are highly rated so what?
even 3D Land gotten a good 90 score, i think you need to get that game industry cock off of your mouth.
Galaxy has it's own problems too you know
>>332568721
>ad populum
stop thinking like a chimp.
Are you Sean Malstrom's kid or something?
>Nintendo is trying to KILL my 2D Mario!
>>332564903
It kind of did. While it was linear as well, it had powerups and gave you the choice to either die in one hit or be giga nigger. Those coin shit was gay and forced you to play on easy mode all of the time. And the ability to play as Toad is amazing, it adds to the challenge even further.
>>332569151
who the fuck is Malstrom? another Nintendo-related boogeyman?
because this kind of shit gets worser every fucking day
>>332569412
Some faggot that has contrarian viewpoints that /v/ aligns itself with when it's convenient and is against when it isn't. Guy said that Wii was like NES and it was a good thing, and /v/ flipped its collective shit, never trusting him again.
>>332564030
>while that it tried to be story-heavy
>giant backstories should stay in RPGs
Are you stupid? This is completely untrue. The only 3D Mario that put in too much story was Sunshine, and they toned it down significantly from there.
>>332569553
>that /v/ aligns itself with when it's convenient and is against when it isn't
Almost as if /v/ were composed of many people with different opinions.
>galaxy 2 had clone rosalina to play the levels for you
>3D world lets you use the super catsuit, this also fucks up your save file until you gitgud
i think we all know which 3D Mario was clearly superior, and it's not an IGN opinion either.
>>332564030
>story-heavy
Stopped reading there.
>>332569802
You don't have any individual opinions, you just parrot whatever the hivemind says in the moment.
who gives a fuck about story in a mario game?
>This Mario cant have a plot bullshit
Fuck that. Plot is a great addition. I like some context and world building. Just do it like Sanic 3 and Knux and tell the plot with brief dialogless scenes that act as transitions between areas.
>>332570053
You want proof? Look at these fucking threads spammed everywhere >>332569548 and look at the posts in them. 99% seem to have the same opinion. Anyone who says anything different gets a million replies with retards going "KEK :p" or some shit like that.
People on this board are like lemmings.
>storybook was optional there for doesn't have more story than shitshine
>>332564030
>story-heavy
>useless planetoids
Oh man. Here's your (You), not gonna give this fisherman an arguement.
>>332569412
This guy.
https://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/iwata-asks-super-mario-3d-land/
Yes, this is real.
64>Galaxy>Sunshine>Galaxy 2>3D World
>>332570053
>>332570279
>Don't respond.
>"You want proof?"
You're kinda sad, to be honest.
But I guess it must be sad, being the self-proclaimed single free thinker on a hivemind board, right?
>>332564030
Galaxy ruined Mario by setting the bar too high. Now casual Mario platforming does nothing for me. I need to feel like I'm on some grand journey.
>>332568297
despite the sales of the console, the wii era of nintendo was so immensely and thoroughly shit and i feel it irreparably damaged nintendo as a whole. it's probably the only console i've ever owned that i feel does not have a single 8/10 or above in its entire library. it is also the console where nintendo's mario spinoffs (tennis/kart etc) didn't progress and just felt like a sidestep.
3D World was just Galaxy without anything interesting, stupid OP at it again
>>332575402
>spinoffs didn't progress and just felt like a sidestep
I'd say Gamecube was that, Power Tennis only added gimmicks and Toadstool Tour made everything easier, and none of the Mario Partys are better than the first 3.
Kart was an improvement over 64 though, I'll give it that.
>>332575506
>this 3D World is Galaxy-lite meme again
>>332575506
>3D World was just Galaxy without *the useless gimmicks
fixed
>>332564030
>Galaxy ruined 3D Mario and it innovativeness
no
>>332575884
The multiplayer is one big useless gimmick.
>>332575930
Why are you posting the very proof that 3D Mario ran out of ideas?
>>332576109
I think that was his point.
>>332575984
t. lonely NEET
>Complain about how too story driven Galaxy is
>Only story elements was in the library with the storybook, completly optional
>Praise Sunshine
>Sunshine had shit ton of cut scenes, voice acting and a central plot about Mario being framed and Bowser Jr. being introduced
I hope this is b8.
If it is it's 10/10 you got me to respond.
>>332576448
sunshine and galaxy were both bad.
the last really good mario game was SM64. 3d world was a step up from galaxy in some ways, but not by a lot. having a run button for a 3d platformer controlled with ANALOG STICKS might be the dumbest thing nintendo has ever done.
The best solution is an open-world Mario game.
Please, don't chop off my head just yet.
The game has one major hub that links up to other large, explorable, non-linear levels. However, adjoining these levels are linear pathways. For example, to cross from the main hub world to Jungle World, you'll have to pass 5 linear courses. These courses gives ADD players the instant gratification of Galaxy, while the major worlds also gives traditionalists some substantive space to play around in.
>>332575984
sure helped for NSMB Wii
>>332576827
this is an awesome concept, but nintendo would ruin it with boring level design and baby tier movement mechanics.
i just want super mario 64-2
>>332575930
>literally 3D former Mario done right
nope
>>332576448
nobody's praising sunshine here, bud
>it's optional so it doesn't count!
>>332569553
>that /v/ aligns itself with when it's convenient and is against when it isn't
Are you saying it's hypocritical to agree with some, but not all, of what a random youtube fag says?
I just want a Mario game that controls like 64
Just straight up MOVING was fun in that game
>>332564030
I really fucking hope you are not this retarded and this is just shitty bait.
Galaxy 1 and 2 are tied for the best Mario games and quite possibly the best level design in any game ever made.
>>332564458
>game has 3d in the title
>its not in 3d
Its ok when nintendo does it
The only problem Galaxy had was being too fucking good for the damn franchise, and then Nintendo being unable to innovative even further, kindly fuck off.
>>332578280
ain't bait, dude.
>>332578009
Movement should be the most important part of any platforming game because platforming games are about moving. Level design is almost as important as movement, but not quite.
>>332577142
Galaxy wasn't driven by story. An optional story that is separated from the main game doesn't even come close to overbearing, so no, it doesn't count.
>>332578280
Galaxy ain't got shit on Sunshine's secrets and 64's aspect on sharing both linear and non-linear levels.
throwback galaxy was a fucking joke
>>332575402
>it's probably the only console i've ever owned that i feel does not have a single 8/10 or above in its entire library.
Oh, come on. Sure, it's (almost entirely) subjective but I don't believe there's not even a single 8+/10 game for you.
For me, there are Muramasa, Sin and Punishment, Kirby's return to Dreamland and Donkey Kong Country Returns, just to name a few of the ones I enjoyed.
>>332575930
Why are you posting the best Mario game we've gotten?
galaxy is literally babbies' first mario (and the thread reaction to OP's opinion kinda proves it)
every other thread i always see galaxy fans dissing out 64 and Sunshine and trying to latch on and please SMB3-senpai & SMW-sama
always laugh and remind them SMG is just another 3D Mario only with the non-linear shit being toned down. basically a near-reverse sunshine, except the linear levels aren't as "god-tier" as sunshine and hub area are no where to be found.
i hope they set 64 and 3D World as the main standards of 3D Mario. Sunshine and Galaxy would be hell.
galaxy 2 was objectively better
