I don't find it surprising that you faggots don't like Undertale. /v/ doesn't understand art: they don't understand modern painting like Rothko or Pollock, they don't understand modern music like Boulez and Ferneyhough, and they certainly don't understand modern games like Her Story and Undertale.
Undertale isn't a game about anything. The story isn't significant, the characters aren't, the setting isn't. Not even the enemies: it's all a postmodern collage of gaming from the RPG to the FPS to the online webcomic. It uses its influences like any great postmodern art to craft a new individual examination of their overarching narratives, values, ideas. It casts shadow upon such contrivances as killing every enemy and multiple playthroughs in an effort, like Berio's Sinfonia for orchestra and eight voices, to goad the industry into moving forward.
But again, I don't expect you guys to get that. You're still in high school.
>>332563916
Rothko, Pollock, Her Story and Undertale aren't art. Fuck off
>>332564157
>Rothko, Pollock
>not art
Explain your position.
see this is what I'm talking about, /v/ isn't ready for mature discussions of art
>>332564489
Their early stuff was pretty artsy and made them semi-famous, then, using that fame they started making bullshit like pic related. Just because it was made by an artist, doesn't mean it's art, this shit is scam I bet this is some sort of money laundering because I can't find any conceivable reason why anyone would put a price tag with six 0s on it.
But yeah, you consider Undertale and Her Story art so whateverI played Undertale and enjoyed it
>>332565148
forgot pic
Your tastes are shit OP, stop consuming crap and it will all get back to normal.
>>332565148
>>332565265
Explain how that Rothko isn't art.
>>332565272
Can you actually try replying to my points?
>>332565369
>Explain how that Rothko isn't art.
Why all the undertale threads are bait?
>>332565792
That definition seems to include Rothko's work. Explain how it isn't beautiful or emotionally powerful. I find it incredibly appealing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrxxmuspoJM
>>332566212
Most film and television and games aren't art, thank you for including that point in the discussion.
>>332565905
Explain how the fuck it is beutiful or emotionally powerful and how can you find it appealing, it's literally 3 different colored stripes, what message does this convey to you
>>332566597
Are you seriously asking me to explain how a color sounds good to me?
How about you explain to me how the B-flat in Mozart's 27th piano concerto emotionally appeals to you?
>>332566756
>it's art guys
>why is it art?
>wow, do you seriously expect me to explain that?
>>332566597
It's subjective, anon. Stop being retarded on purpose, it isn't endearing. I bet you're the same sort of person that says "That isn't art, my 3 year old could make that!"
>>332566597
>>332566756
In any case, it's just innately appealing. Maybe it's a scene at sunset, with the sky and sea. Maybe it's a heat index, a microscopic examination. Or maybe it's just a beautiful combination of red and yellow, with orange border. It doesn't matter, all of these touch me and reveal truths.
Are you going to tell me I and the entire art world are wrong?
>>332565369
I told you, your tastes are awful, you have little to no experience in art, that's why you think that art is "good", someday, you'll grow up and realize that what you like now is shit.
>There's still hope.
>>332566943
>Stop being retarded on purpose, it isn't endearing.
tbf he's probably b8ing me, but there are a lot of faggots who don't know art and actually believe this art is objective crap.
>>332567064
>your tastes are awful, you have little to no experience in art,
What's your taste/experience in art?
>>332566943
no, I'm that sort of person that thinks art, painting especially, took a step in a very wrong direction in the 2nd half of 20th century
>>332567325
>I'm that sort of person that thinks art, painting especially, took a step in a very wrong direction in the 2nd half of 20th century
What's your background in art and art history?
>>332567251
20 years studying music, I've met several artists that paint, sculpt, make music. My tastes are irrelevant to this thread, you would understand why if you had experience in art, but it is clear that you don't have any.
>>332567441
enthusiast
>>332567325
I disagree
>>332563916
This is probably bait, but you do realize that there were actually regular threads up to three weeks after Undertale's release that shamelessly jerked it off, right? I mean, on /v/.
When the degenerates picked it up and the fanbase turned into a flaming pile of chemical-waste garbage, the threads stopped and the degenerates moved over to /vg/.
I'm sure some people still like it, but I wouldn't go as far as to call it art.
Because I understood the themes, and you're not supposed to be able to comprehend modern art at a glance.
>>332567708
>20 years studying music
Where from? Classical institutions? In which case is it a legitimate institution or are you coasting through a mediocre undergraduate?
>>332567771
So no one cares about your opinion of art history.
>>332567842
>So no one cares about your opinion of art history.
What's your background in art and art history?Are you OP?
>I'm mad about game
>Let me just post a long false-flag argument
Just say you hate undertale and why; jesus christ we aren't gonna lynch you
>>332567708
>My tastes are irrelevant to this thread
Then why did you bring up MY tastes?
>>332567979
Yes I am OP, and I've studied music history as well as the whole spectrum of a comprehensive music education (sightsinging, music theory, basic musicianship) at one of the top music universities in the country.
>>332563916
Didn't the dev rip off half the songs from Flinstones or something? Pretty shitty that he gets a free pass on stealing just because he's indie.
>>332563916
nope, I love games that are more artsy and this isn't one of them. you have to make the viewer/player feel invested and care about the world, events, etc.
I played half an hour and I could not have given any less of a SHIT about the characters or what was going on. it felt like they took the link's awakening/ oracle games engine, gutted it, and replaced it with simple "puzzles" and random encounters that meant nothing.
nothing had any impact, weight, emotion, or investment to it. it was empty.
>>332567842
This is what I meant, we can keep going but you are too stubborn to accept that your tastes are shit, there's no point in continuing this conversation if you can't understand that.
>>332563916
That is some good bait, I'll tell you that. You captured the essence of a pseudophilosophical artsy wanker perfectly.
Is bait art?
>Undertale fags trying to keep their near forgotten game relevent.
>>332568080
>I've studied music history as well as the whole spectrum of a comprehensive music education (sightsinging, music theory, basic musicianship) at one of the top music universities in the country.
So why would anyone care about your opinion about painting? Especially after you called Her Story and Undertale art
>>332563916
Rothko and Pollock were funded by the US government as a part of a plan to promote modern "art" that conveys no meaning at all.
>>332568080
Me? You made this thread.
>>332568107
Try reading my post.
>>332568141
What are you talking about?
>but you are too stubborn to accept that your tastes are shit,
What is your accreditation to determine taste?
>>332568263
>So why would anyone care about your opinion about painting?
If you knew anything about music history, you would know that it is tied to art history. Romantic, Impressionist, Expressionist art all announced the music that would follow. So actually I know quite a lot about art, unlike you.
Why were the splashes of water not pixelated? Why was it flash motion tweened?
>>332568263
*Or let alone anything else after you called those games art
When will you assholes stop shilling this game by posting bait threads?
>>332563916
>>332568396
>I know about -ism in music so I'm an expert about that specific -ism in all art categories
alright, I'm out of here, this is getting silly
>>332568090
>Didn't the dev rip off half the songs from Flinstones
wut?
>>332568615
Who are you quoting?
>>332568090
There is a clear ripoff of FF13 and a lot of minor ripoffs of Touhou soundtrack. Also half the songs are rehash with changed tone/speed. Best vidya soundtrack ever, ladies and gentlemen
>>332568706
Did you read the OP post?
>>332565148
>>332565265
Guess he is actually aconartist.
>>332563916
The game wouldn't be as bad as it was if it actually had some fucking good writing instead "My name is a a font, LOL, I'm also a skeleton, i have a BONE to pick with you LMAO!".
Also, the fucking dinosaur shit that you could kill and just their to appease the "LOL awkward joke, RANDOM IN GAME ANIME REFERENCE!" crowd, and the art to grab the autistic/furry crowd.
The game play was decent, though.
>>332568667
Here's the proof: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUWqr4gShUpMjdG9T99j-PQ
>>332568849
>Also, the fucking dinosaur shit that you couldn't kill
Killing Toriel was such bullshit. She tells you herself to show how strong you are. I was pacifist for the whole time to that point because I thought that's what she wanted, then the game tried to make me feel bad for doing what she wanted me to do. what the fuck ever undertale
This just in: people who criticize Rothko and other modern art are ignorant and clueless.
How SHOCKING
Well good thing you're here to explain to me how shit my opinions are OP. Where do I buy it?
>>332568706
When does a thing stop being a homage and starts being a rip off?
Was it the inclusion of zunpets or was it something else?
Also it's funny how>>332567708 didn't seem to at all acknowledge Boulez or Ferneyhough in my post, despite having "20 years studying music."
/v/ is pathetic.
>>332568980
This is why Spec Ops: The Line was bullshit to me. Being guilt-tripped doesn't work if the game is genuinely forcing me to kill people in order to progress with no way around it.
>>332569286
That's the whole point of Spec Ops you fucking idiot, it's satirizing the FPS genre and the forced killing within it.
>>332569285
zomg lol so funny xD.
Your tastes are shit OP.
>>332569485
Is that a retort?
>>332569283
Don't really remember, but one song is basically a simplified Septette for the Dead Princess. Also listen to Blinded by Light from FF13
>>332569382
Congrats on being too retarded to understand what I'm saying, anon.
>>332569610
And the 3rd movement of Berio's Sinfonia uses an extensive quotation of Mahler's 2nd Symphony.
So what's your point?
>>332569567
Does it look like one? Look, since it is so hard for you to understand I'll make it easier for you, a food analogy, it may suck but I don't think you deserve more.
You may eat the best dish the world has to offer once a year, but if the rest of it you fill your mouth with shit, your taste buds will get so accostumed to shit that it won't make any difference.
>>332570385
You haven't explained
1) how you are an approximator of taste
2) how my taste is shit
>>332563916
Why is /v/ still shitposting with this game? The fanbase has significantly died out, its been months since anything significant was found from it. Just let it rest already. Let people just like this game or move on like normal people. Jesus.
>>332568438
This is bait, right?
>>332570738
Because its easy reactions, especially if mixed with "videogames are art"
>>332570928
I take to the Roger Ebert position: most film/TV/vidya are not art, but they can be art. It's pockets of exceptions that fit the bill.
>>332571047
Good thinking
>>332571047
The Roger Ebert position is that video games could never be art, though.
>>332571302
Not by the end of the full discussion.
Ebert later amended his comments in 2010, conceding that games may indeed be art in a non-traditional sense, that he had enjoyed playing Cosmology of Kyoto, and addressing some replies to his original arguments.[38]
Although Ebert did not engage with the issue again and his view remains mired in controversy, the notion that video games are ineligible to be considered fine art due to their commercial appeal and structure as choice-driven narratives has proved persuasive for many including video game luminary Brian Moriarty who in March 2011 gave a lecture on the topic entitled An Apology For Roger Ebert.[28] In this lecture Moriarty emphasized that video games are merely an extension of traditional rule-based games and that there has been no call to declare games like Chess and Go to be art. He went on to argue that art in the sense that Romantics like Ebert, Schopenhauer, and he were concerned with (i.e. fine art or sublime art) is exceptionally rare and that Ebert was being consistent by declaring video games to be without artistic merit inasmuch as Ebert had previously claimed that "Hardly any movies are art."[28]
>>332570738
>>332571302
>>332571390
particularly the last part:
>art in the sense that Romantics like Ebert, Schopenhauer, and he were concerned with (i.e. fine art or sublime art) is exceptionally rare and that Ebert was being consistent by declaring video games to be without artistic merit inasmuch as Ebert had previously claimed that "Hardly any movies are art."[28]
>>332570738
>Let people just like this game or move on like normal people. Jesus.
No
>>332563916
It is art but low-tier art
Top-tier art : mario 64, Doom 2/Quake, portal 1 & 2, stanley parable, tetris
>>332571742
>mario 64, Doom 2/Quake, portal 1 & 2, stanley parable, tetris
Stick to your high school AP classes, kid.
>>332568980
Are you a beta tester of dishonored?
>>332570928
I don't visit here often so I shouldn't be surprised people are still taking the bait. Sucks cause now you can't mention it without memelords dredging it out more nowadays than the "cancerous fanbase" ever did at its high point but whatever. I just hope it dies out soon.
>>332571410
Shit, I can't argue with that face. Go enjoy your shitposts you cute Chinese cartoon, you
>>332571542
(You)
>>332571902
I don't know what that means.
>>332563916
Nice shitpost. That being said, just in case you're serious;
I love the game, but stop being such an elitist cunt and fuck off.
I recently beat the game ''true pacifist'' mode. The game is alright, but the story that only makes it worth it is when you beat omega flowey and begin the true ending.
>>332572072
>>332570481
Things that are are shit:
Your tastes.
Things that aren't:
My tastes.
>>332566946
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dada
PLEBS BTFO
ATTEND A REAL ART SCHOOL YOU FUCKING NOUVEAU RICHE PIECE OF SHIT
>>332572268
I know what that is but I don't know what you're implying you donut
>>332572241
Absolutely not, the game reaches its true potential in the Genocide. It's then that you realize that it's a shell for meta analysis.
>>332572372
?
>tfw you love undertale but you're constantly lumped in with people like OP
>>332572386
>She told me to show her how strong I was!
>I wasn't able to try other solution!
>>332572450
Genocide always felt like just a neat alternate way to play as well as elaborate on some storyline bits that are otherwise not touched on (Chara) but Pacifist and Neutral runs do enough of meta analysis as well as actually engage in a storyline as opposed to just neutralizing it for the sake of grinding (which I guess was also kind of the point)
My favorite bit of Pacifist though was the revelation of Frisk's name at the end of it. It solidifies their characterization purely based on your gameplay choices, and it would have been neat to see what knowing that info could have changed up in a full Hard Mode.
>>332572948
I did and nothing happened. So I kept showing how "strong" I was.
>>332563916
I love undertale and its in my top 10 games of all time
While what you are saying is technically correct (yes it does fit the definition of art) and yes it is post modern
This is not why /v/ hates the game /v/ just hates it due to A the fandom because they cant understand a fandom has no impact on the game as its single player only or B because its popular
People on /v/ who dislike a game for legit reasons and are not just trying to look like they have better taste then everyone else are rare on /v/
>>332563916
Don't you think you could have made this thread more around the time people cared? Undertale's been out for at least 5 months and people on /v/ have been having an attitude against it for a long time now. Your post means nothing because you can't get with the times. Get over yourself and cope with it; People barely talk about the game on here anymore.
>>332572893
Kill yourself you fucking underfag memetale loving shitstaine on society
>>332573027
Keep pressing spare, dumbass. I figured that shit out right away.
>>332573117
>>332573162
Holy shit, people DO reply to obvious shitposting seriously just cause this game is slapped on to it.
>>332573274
>tfw you hate undertale but you're constantly lumped in with people like this anon
>>332573354
I didn't cause it just kept giving me dot dot dot bullshit. Of course I'm a dumbass for not just assuming I'm suppose to do something a dozen times with no results. Didn't even make sense since she was the one that told you to fight back and show that you can take on monsters in the outside world. It was just an excuse to give you forced emotions.
>>332563916
im sure I would have enjoyed undertale if it came out during the gameboy era.
But now I play vidya as a form of escapism from the stress i get my from my job. What little time i can afford to vidya is spent playing stuff that offers more excitement.
once you've done heroin, all other drugs just seem a bit lackluster.
>>332566597
NIGGA JUST PUTS TWO COLORS ON CANVAS AND CALLS IT ART
>>332573027
>Even when the frog told me that maybe some day i'll have to spare even if their name isn't yellow.
>Even when each time I spared her the numer of dots rose, I still wans't able so see the hints
like the beta testers of dishonored you need the game to tell you or you won't stay determined
>>332573452
Does anyone really earn anything from responding like this anyway? I'm just stating what I think about what someone said. So what if someone is baiting me into making a response? What's so bad about me responding?
>>332563916
It's been half a year with Undertale.
What the fuck is even going on anymore?
>>332574109
I didn't notice the rising dots since it's such a subtle difference. And I did do the sparing like the frogs said but nothing happened so I stopped doing it. I don't think they should just tell you what to do but they should of designed it better so the game just wouldn't automatically with 400 hp damage for no reason.
>>332574293
Because you're giving in to what the OP wanted (replies) and justifying more shitty bait threads to flood in the future. Of couse this will always happen just due to the nature of constantly cycling users on image boards but that doesn't mean it can't surprise me every time someone falls for the most blatant "PLEASE REPLY TO ME" type posts.
>>332574580
Really? Because the way it sounds you shouldn't be surprsied this happens anymore. You shouldn't let these things get under your skin man. Just let it go and find some other thread.
>>332566946
What's the difference between him making a painting and me doing the same thing? Mine is considered worthless and each of his paintings is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.
His art is more valid than mine despite being the same thing.
>>332573117
I actually enjoyed Undertale, but imo it got way more praise than it actually deserves:
>Overworld is extremely linear with little to do in terms of exploration
>Graphics are extremely dull
>NPC's and Frisk look very meh in the overworld/or straight out terrible (hello Papyrus)
>Game is too easy (excluding genocide Undyne and Sans)
Speaking of Genocide, I know that was the whole point, but having an entire route being nothing but grinding is inexcusable. When you have to sacrifice gameplay for the benefit of storytelling, you're begging for trouble.
>>332574789
Because modernism and modern is as much about process and idea as it is about raw product.
>>332563916
>game that's intentionally designed as "flavor of the month" type thing
>gets shitposted about 6 months later
Do keep the game's popularity up. It just means we get more fanart.
>>332575075
how is shitposting gonna get more fanart?
>>332574109
You really have to see that the way they designed that part is pretty rigged to make you kill her. If they actually made her character stagger or start getting wounds or something instead of just making her character bounce around and die out of nowhere, then maybe it could of been a lot better justified.
>>332574789
Well the difference is that you don't have jew billionaire friends who buy off your paintings and sell them to each other until it's "worth" millions so that they can donate it to a museum to save money in taxes.
>>332566946
>Are you going to tell me I and the entire art world are wrong?
Yeah cause this shits subjective B
>>332575137
More exposure leads to popularity. Most people don't actually take the shitposting seriously at all, but keeping the game visible makes it know to more people who otherwise didn't know about it and it might grab their interest. Some of those people draw.
>>332574875
I don't mind the other criticisms but you said yourself that the merciless grinding is the point of Genocide. You're always given an option to stop and you're actively encouraged to do so, and its really more just using meta narrative with completionism kind of like save scumming and so on in the Neutral/Pacifict run.
Besides, the grinding in Undertale for Genocide is no worse than any other turn based RPG. It's even worse in some of those because in order to achieve some of the story in those you HAVE to grind as opposed to it just being an alternate route.
>>332575295
Yeah that's the point. That's why you have to keep trying if you want to spare her. If you felt bad for killing her, just restart and do it properly. No harm done.
>>332563916
>Crtl+f "twerk" "undertwerk"
>no results
Dead thread
>>332563916
lots of effort for bait
but its still not a fucking masterpiece, its an ok game you should wait for a sale/pirate
>>332568080
what have you you produced then?
>>332575137
Fanart is shitposting
>>332575935
iktf
>>332576002
in yee we pray
>>332563916
Go back to Tumblr
>>332575646
If you didn't get extra content like new, more challenging boss fights and more exposition on Sans and Chara I wouldn't mind Genocide at all. Heck, I would even praise it because indeed, aside from the things I just mentioned, there really isn't any good reason to do Genocide, which would have driven the point home even further.
>>332575646
>Yeah that's the point
I just feel it was a cheap trick. You can't just make your character do a smaller attack or a non death threatening attacks so I just felt like the game just made her die.
http://www.boardgame-online.com?page=joingame&g=kHn9&k=Bl8
Tired of all these pointless Undertale argument thread? Well, I would be too. Luckily there's something to stave off frustration and exhaustion! It's this board game! Will you challenge your wits against other Anons and claim victory? Or will you sit here and argue on?
The decision is yours, though.. I'd love to see you join.
>>332576287
yee yee we in it, no windows tinted
can't stop the underdog
we coming in hot
Lemme get you started on this nigga's tale and how we got got
we wuz rollin round when a goat looking mami axe me where I can get a ride I told her hop in n we lift off n glide
Can't stop the trans take over
we gonna give masculinity a makeover
Ran in to a skeleton smoking sherm and axe him for directions
Took my steering wheel and taught me about erections
All in all Undertale is Really about the Election.
PACE
>>332576967
I never knew how to beat this shit
>>332576987
what the fuck are you atlking about
>postmodern collage
Oh god, you pretentious teenagers crack me up.
>>332577603
Who gives a fuck, someone actually had the time and thought process to write that copypasta originally.
>>332563916
>Violence is bad, guys
Is literally the game in a nutshell, fuck off. It's not deep or anything.
>>332568203
shhhhhhhhhh it's almost over Elena come back to bed and stop shitposting it's what "they" want you to do.
>>332563916
ITT: salt
but seriously wtf did you expect /v/ hates popular games. especially if they're good
and /v/ hates nothing more than good games
>>332577363
He's just shitposting because he's mad. Some song lyrics, thinking it's deep.
>>332565905
>Created primarily to be appreciated for their beauty or emotional power
It was created to make money and spark head-up-ass discussions about what art is. There's nothing beautiful or emotional about the piece.
>>332578842
wall of text/10
try enter button
For some time now a certain school of artists has been inviting the public to accept as authentic products of the plastic and graphic arts, works which depart so sharply from what centuries of tradition have accustomed it to regard as such that the bewilderment, let alone the repulsion, it feels, can have failed to be pushed to the extreme of a loud protest only because in matters aesthetic either too much modesty or too much snobbery prevents a secret sense of outrage from reaching expression.
The modest among the public, hearing the merits of such works trumpeted by cliques of champions and critics assumed to be responsible and expert, hold their peace. They disapprove, but are inclined to ask themselves, "After all, what do I know about it? Who am I to object?".
The snobs, on the other hand, dreading to appear reactionary or low-brow, stifle their instinctive repugnance and feign the admiration that seems to be authoritatively enjoined. As, moreover, no Art-canons exist, and most modern art-criticism is little more than sophisticated verbiage resting on no accepted rules and principles, the average man is left to resign himself disconsolately to yet one further unwelcome innovation.
Yet, if the modest would but trust their feelings to the point when their diffidence would be overcome, and if the snobs would only take courage and be more sincere, both parties would be astonished to find how right their smothered misgivings about this new Art have been all along, and, united, would join in a chorus of condemnation.
>>332578850
Do you actually agree with the copypasta? serious question.
>>332577363
>>332579007
>never freestyled before in his life
>y-you only hate it b-because its popular!!!
Read these. The sooner you cure your spiritual syphillus, the sooner you can begin to find actual beauty in the world beyond the contrived and grotesque images you put before it, find actual respect for those exalted people instead of reveling in ignorant and artificial mediocrity, and begin to find value in your life and the world beyond that of a mouse.
http://www.anthonymludovici.com/na_pre.htm
https://archive.org/details/matthewarnoldcul021369mbp
https://archive.org/details/philosophyoffine19204hege
http://ecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1186&context=luc_theses
https://archive.org/details/originofthesense029886mbp
https://archive.org/details/philosophyartan00schegoog
