ITT: Games that you'll never have a chance to enjoy because you didn't play them when they were first released and they didn't age well. I'll start.
How does a game not age well? Explain.
>>332558875
It's probably because the graphics are ugly, and he's an underage piece of shit.
I played Deus Ex in 2008 and still enjoyed it, I can stand bad graphics pretty well.
Deus Ex Invisible War, on the other hand, is a fucking travesty and legitimately one of the worst games I've ever played.
>>332558779
>ITT: Games that you'll never have a chance to enjoy because you have been spoiled way too much by modern games or have shit taste
FTFY
>>332558875
"This game hasn't aged well" is a concise and simple way of saying "Standards have evolved and this game is well below these new standards, making it a way less enjoyable experience nowadays, when you have a larger catalog of video games to play with a ton of them being better than this game in what it's trying to do"
Hope this helps
>>332559081
>when you have a larger catalog of video games to play with a ton of them being better than this game in what it's trying to do
That's super fucking subjective. I enjoyed Deus Ex 1s mechanics over HRs
>>332559332
No its not subjective
I played it a year ago for the first time and enjoyed the hell out of it. I had a texture mod but it looked like dildos regardless. HR was a joke compared to it
>>332559426
Now I really want an explanation to this. How is it not subjective?
>>332559081
This.
Some people are pretending to not understand what OP means despite it being a commonly used phrase here because muh deus ex is held in high regard and they think OP saying it hasn't aged well offends their superior taste in some way.
Hitman C47
>>332559010
The only thing DE has going for it is a good story by vidya standards and a groovy af soundtrack.
Story doesn't mean much though, considering even the best vidya plot is just an average novel.
Graphics were outdated even when it was released, controls were outdated even when it was released, and even the audio quality was outdated.
Totally worth a play-through, but how 4chan came to circlejerk over it as THE BEST GAME OF ALL TIME is really fucking confusing.
>>332559585
Yes we get it
Have fun playing the 15th CoD
>>332559332
>That's super fucking subjective
I agree. I like Deus Ex as well and have replayed it recently.
But I'm sick of retards going "durr a game can't age, what does that mean?". There's a very clear meaning to it that makes complete sense.
>>332559585
Take it from me, buddy. C47 was always shit.Except for Traditions of the Trade
>>332559585
What it means to me is "game mechanics have changed to this and now this is accepted more". It doesn't necessarily mean it's better.
>>332558779
But youre wrong, I first played this after HR in fucking 2015 and it became my favourite sp game, especially with GMDX
>>332559081
>Standards have evolved
No they fucking haven't, you retard, or people wouldn't complain about AAA games and every single video game released this year would be better the year before
>>332559835
I'm not gonna talk about Deus Ex because I like that game, but Ocarina of Time, for example, has aged terribly. The way it does 3D platforming and combat is a complete joke by today's standards and the graphics look like ass.
A Link to the Past, on the other hand, has aged like fine wine.
>>332558779
I played Deus Ex for the first time just before Human Revolution came out, and it's now one of my favorite games of all time.
You are just a faggot, OP.
>>332560041
Now you're using Egoraptor memes.
Get the fuck out
>>332559703
No reason to shit on Deus Ex specifically just cause you don't like RPGs
>>332559998
>Using /v/ being contrarian and negative about something, often for the sake of shitposting, as an argument
>>332560131
The fuck are you talking about, you stupid faggot? What does Egoraptor have to do with any of what I just said?
>>332560142
He's right though. Could you honestly approach a modern FPS game like BLOPS 3 and say yeah this is way better than FPS games I used to play.
>>332560142
AAA is objectively terrible though
>huge budgets because casuals demand MUH GRAFIX and marketing costs are getting ridiculous
>leads to razor thin profit margins even with high as fuck sales numbers
>leads to AAA games playing it safe with sequels and established franchises
>>332560291
>Merely pretending
This did not happen to me with Deus Ex.
It happened when I played Morrowind though, modded and all.
Am I doing something wrong? Should I just kill myself?
>>332559810
>le ebin call of booty maymay
>>332561006
What exactly don't you like about it?
>>332558779
ITT: OP is a faggot, as usual.
>>332560141
But RPGs are my favorite genre.
That doesn't mean Deus Ex isn't full of faults, though.
>Deus Ex didn't age well
You must be 18 to post on this board.
>>332559081
The only standards that have evolved are graphical. Games like Morrowind, System Shock 2 (Even System Shock 1), and Deus Ex, etc are much more mechanically complicated than their successors
>>332561432
>Deus Ex is mechanically complicated
Lmao what am I reading xDD
>>332558875
It's a huge excuse for graphics whores to cry about.
I legit could not stand System Shock 2's polygon graphics and I avoided it, I grew up and got over my autism and I played it.
Needless to say, I didn't put it down until I finished it and it quickly became one of my favorite games.
So here's a hint: old games are remembered as being good for a damn good reasons. So go and play SS, Deus Ex, Gothic, Arx Fatalis etc, get over your modern gaymen eye piss filter and see what it meant to play games made with passion not just for the almighty dolla!
>>332561432
Don't forget the default controls being fucking crazy
I bet underage faggots complaining about the graphics are too stupid to change the key bindings as well
Any way now that the OP got utterly BTFO can we please admit Deus Ex is one of the greatest games ever made?
>mfw I've played the Deus Ex, the Thief series, the System Shock series, Doom, Blood, Quake, American McGee's Alice, Anachronox, Grim Fandango, Pharaoh/Caesar III, The Longest Journey, Myst, Sanitarium, Majora's Mask, Mother 1, Earthbound, etc etc etc etc 10-20+ years after they've released and had fun with all of them
ur a fuckin pleb kid
>>332562134
It is, but it's flawed
>>332562134
Ye, I have to replay it all the time. Next time I'm gonna stream it though hopefully that's more entertaining for myself.
I played Deus ex for the first time last year and found it stellar
>>332561691
Not what I said you stupid faggot
But compared to HR, yes, the game mechanics are more complicated. Which is what I said.
Ugh, literally why isn't this game the same homogeneous shit like every modern game? You can't even play it with a 360 pad.
Fucking bullshit.
>>332562179
>>332562134
And there it is.
>>332558779
Devil May Cry.
>>332562330
Like what?
>>332562594
Deus Ex
>actually have to get behind someone and time my hit with the baton right, and also hit in the right place to incapacitate my victim
HR
>lol press Q for epic finishing move
I recently replayed it, original, not the silly revision. It's still a great game.
>>332558779
>Being a little bitch
Mother fucker I played it for the first time right before Human Revolution came out and I loved it.
>>332562594
Weapons, plot mechanics, advancing plot mechanics, stealth mechanics, inventory, PDA system, blah blah blah
>>332562552
Well m8 you tried to shitpost and lost
>>332563023
Mechanical Apartheid is 150$ more mature and nuanced than 'durr area 51 durr gray aliens'
>>332563023
>advancing plot mechanics
what does that even mean?
>>332562165
Bruh, my favorite game of all time is Fallout 2, and I love Myst, Earthbound and TLJ, all of which I played at least 10 years after their release. I just can't seem to get into Deus Ex, though, which is why I made the thread.
>>332562794
>aim at some bodies spine
>click
>incapacitated
Woah that's some deep shit. Hell, with maxed melee you can incapacitate with a single baton hit anywhere
I would argue managing HR battery is more complex than that, but bottom line they're both bad.
>>332563023
>weapons
Definitely
>stealth
Hahahaha fucking no. Stealth in Deus Ex was a joke even when it came out
>advancing plot mechanics
Is this some dank new buzzword?
Thief controls clunky and I love it. System Shock 2 feels really weird with any movement and it works for me. Deus Ex's movement is clunky and I can't play for more than 10 minutes. What's wrong with me?
>>332563104
>hurr durr I didn't play the game - the post
>tfw you're a poorfag and never could build a decent pc, so you're stuck with old games and their graphics and gameplay is the only thing you know, making them perfect in your eyes
>>332563178
Pressing Q works in any situation, from any angle and position, at any skill level and without weapons, all you need to make sure is that you have one battery point (which recharges anyways). Your target's friends won't notice that you kicked the shit out of him even if they're 10 feet away. Though to be fair that last point applies to Deus Ex as well, except at least you're less flashy in your approach.
>>332563564
That is genuinely really weird.
>>332563564
Nothing, you are a perfectly normal human being
>>332559661
We need a national wide burn all fedoras and tribshit day. Snapbacks4life.
>>332563815
I'd agree with your point if the NPCs in DE weren't legally deaf and could see anything more than a foot away from their face.
Just because it takes longer to do a takeout in the original doesn't mean it's harder or better.
>>332563104
>take one little gimmick out of the game
>make it seem like it's the main plot and attack it
look mom, a strawman!
>>332558779
I played Deus Ex for the first time in 2012, System Shock 2 for the first time in 2014, and Morrowind the first time this year. The might be old and ugly games, but goddamn if they aren't fantastic, each and every one of them. Nothing about the outdated technical aspects of any of them has any relevance in the actual content of the game.
I feel sorry for people who can't enjoy old games that are good. And that's the key word. Are. They aren't games that "were" good at the time. The only way quality can degrade is if standards evolve to a something higher, and standards have definitely evolved to the opposite direction instead.
>>332563564
you're playing with default fov probably
Why don't you try getting a job?
>>332558779
I was very young when Deus Ex came out and I only got to playing the game 5 years ago and now its my second favorite game. its a really easy game once you get the hang of it.
>>332561006
You need to approach Morrowind with a different mindset. It's combat is considerably less aRPG-y than its sequels. The game is best enjoyed as a holistic roleplaying experience, where you pursue goals, interact with NPCs, and complete quests in-character. Needs mods help, though they're a bit clunky. The game does progression (character, plot, and guilds) much better than either Skyrim or Oblivion.
>>332564634
i'm a frenchman
>>332564634
You have 3 seconds to beat it before I add you to the list of NSF casualties
FF7
Complaints are mainly graphics and the combat system. I have faith in the remake since I don't have weird nostalgia attached to the original
For me its probably System Shock 1 I can play it decently but the controls became very irritating and I never found the story really interesting although I still had fun playing the game because It reminded me of Ultima Underworld but in a space setting
>>332564059
Right I forgot that enemies in HR actually are a lot more capable and react a lot quicker
>>332558779
Literally nothing, faggot.
>>332558779
If you can't handle old graphics, well..you're right. But that doesn't mean all youngfags are as retarded as you. System Shock 2 has Rebirth so this probably has something similar.
>>332559081
>old games like Deus Ex, Thief, SS not having higher standards than 99% of games released today
top kek kid
innovation isn't profitable
>>332562179
>water is wet
Every game ever is flawed somehow.
>>332564902
>and the combat system
I'm going to ask why but I'm fairly sure I already know the answer.
>>332565279
Isn't it SS1 that's being remade?
>>332558779
ITT: People who took the Crossbow from Paul
>>332565361
Only reason I said that is because a lot of people seem to think it's a flawless miracle of a game
>>332559010
>Invisible War is bad
When did this meme start?
>>332558779
holy shit this. I popped this shit open for an hour and then swiftly deleted it from my computer.
>>332565515
well some people hate it while others like it. people hate it mostly because Invisible war was more designed for the consoles. Personally I didn't like it
>>332559010
Ah, I kinda liked IW, perhaps it helped a bit that I played it first before Deux Ex.
I would say that IW is a good action game, but a bad Deus Ex game.
>>332564589
Preach it
>>332558779
It's not games fault you think it didn't 'age' well
It's all in your head
>>332565514
So what?
>>332565573
Did you get past the Liberty Island level? It's shit compared to an otherwise great game
I played this for the first time a couple of years ago. Takes a while to acclimatise yourself to it, but once you do you quickly realise the hype is deserved.
>>332564589
This guy has said everything that needs to be said, and everyone else can turn off the PC now.
The best PC games from the early 00s have yet to be surpassed, or even matched.
>>332558779
I played Deus Ex in 2014. and since then it has been my favorite video game, nothing comes close.
I was born in 1996.
Eat shit you faggot.
>>332566334
>I was born in 1996.
haha what an underage f-
>1996 was 20 years ago
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>threads that you'll never have a chance to enjoy because OP was a pleb
ITT: Underage faggots perform mental gymnastics to justify their shit taste
I'm confused, how does a game age? It remains exactly the same regardless of the number of years that pass. What changes is your perception of the game. I'm willing to bet if you played Deus Ex without ever listening to /v/ and the rest of the internet call it the greatest game ever you'd probably really enjoy it. But when someone says "greatest game ever" you kinda get this mental image that the game doesn't really fit.
Tl;dr: Draw your own damn opinions, trying to play what everyone else played won't be fun for you.
>>332558779
You need a lot of patience with games like Deus Ex and most people on /v/ don't have it. I first played Deus Ex in 2013 and gave up on it quickly. I tried out Deus Ex for the 4th time and it finally started to click.
>>332567009
>you hear it's the greatest game ever and then it falls short even if it's still pretty good
Maybe I'll give it another go, but that's how I felt when I tried Deus Ex. Just felt like a clumsy game.
>>332565515
>instead of making one ending canon, let's make ALL of them canon at the same time!
>great idea!
>>332567373
Like I said, when you go into a game expecting it to be the game that no other game will surpass you start looking for shit to gripe about, it stops being about the game and more about you destructing the game... which isn't fun.
Since the underage plebs are unable to defend their shitty position, I'll do it for them. Games can't age badly, but specific aspects of them can.
-Augmentations are all active, even though there is lore-friendly justification for specific ones to be passive.
-JC can only climb ladders. Not boxes or fences. If you can't jump on top of something, you can't get on top of it.
-The nano-cybernetic interface of 2051 doesn't have a feature that almost everyone carries around in 2015. A map.
-JC can't display codes he has stored in his external memory at the same time as inputting those codes.
-Hacking gives you a time limit of how long you can be logged in reading things, instead of letting you dowload the information from the terminal.
-Every type of interaction with anything in the game world in any context only has one sound effect. At least there's pitch shift.
These are all examples of things that actually have been done better in later installments of the same series, or older games from other franchises.
>>332569118
>Augmentations are all active, even though there is lore-friendly justification for specific ones to be passive.
Uh, alright?
>JC can only climb ladders. Not boxes or fences. If you can't jump on top of something, you can't get on top of it.
It's a part of the gameplay, there's certain places in levels where you have to add up boxes to access some new pathways.
>The nano-cybernetic interface of 2051 doesn't have a feature that almost everyone carries around in 2015. A map.
The game would suck if it had a map showcasing your location.
>JC can't display codes he has stored in his external memory at the same time as inputting those codes.
Boo hoo you have to check the menu for the code and then leave it and type the code, you gotta memorize 4 fucking digits for less than 5 seconds
>-Hacking gives you a time limit of how long you can be logged in reading things, instead of letting you dowload the information from the terminal.
Yes, it's better that way.
>Every type of interaction with anything in the game world in any context only has one sound effect. At least there's pitch shift.
I'll give you this, but it's nothing drastic, especially with the fantastic OST which more than makes up for this.
>>332565515
when the game was released
>>332558779
Deus Ex actually aged pretty well in my opinion. The controls could have been "slightly" better.
>>332558779
>they didn't age well.
you are wrong
>>332558779
If it didn't age well, why does it play better than both of its sequels?
Fuck that wonky camera horse shit in 3 and the boring ass levels.
>>332569118
it's a game senpai not real life, who cares if they didn't add in maps or realism
>>332569632
-Things like environmental protection and power recirculation have no reason to be active augmentations because JC has built-in hazard detectors and bioelectric power management systems
-Thief came out before Deus Ex, and it has climbing as well as environmental manipulation to access different places
-An automatic map that reveals eveything is a strawman. JC should be able to record his current surroundings into a map in his memory, like in Doom
-Deus Ex Human Revolution has singular uppercase words and 4 digit codes. Deus Ex 1 has codes that consist of complex strings with special characters, and computer logins have both the username and the password. And of those two games, the simpler one actually does display known codes when inputting them.
-JC can download any other relevant information onto his external memory, and hacking functions in the same visual interface as his inventory and data management. There's no lore-friendly justification for being unable to copy emails from accounts he has hacked into.
-The point I made about the sounds was just an honest observation related to the topic. The game is outdated in this aspect, and successive installments have improved on various aspects. The game is still great, and the whole can never become obsolete, unless someone somehow remakes it in a way where every aspect of it is an objectively superior version of its predecessor. Some things have been done better. The whole thing hasn't.
>>332569118
>>332572864
Oh, and even though I'm defending the fags with bad tastes, I'm actually this guy >>332564589
(me)
