What's the best indie platformer?
VVVVVV
>>332549096
I liked Shovel Knight, Dustforce has more depth though
Axiom Verge, Braid, Ori, The Swapper, Teslagrad, Shovel Knight, Guacamelee
Might be forgetting a few but those are the good ones
Hello, we're the quintessential indie games.
>>332550107
half of those suck. cave story and shovel are the only good one. not to mention most arent platformers
>>332550172
>LoG2
>E.Y.E.
>La-mulana
>Pathologic
>La-mulana
>Hotline Miami
>La-mulana
>La-mulana
>La-mulana
>Bad
90% of the games in this thread aren't even platformers what the fuck are you doing.
>>332550257
La-mulana is really clunky as a platformer. Its quality comes from its puzzle/adventure aspects, which are extremely obtuse to say the least. It might be rewarding if you have a severe type of autism, but most normal people will not be able to beat it without a walkthrough, which completely ruins any value the game has. This is not because it's a difficult game, just because the puzzles are absurd and most people will not wander around aimlessly for hours trying everything to solve a single puzzle, only to be confronted with another
>>332550802
You're literally saying it was too hard for you.
What you're looking for is the puzzles are unique, they aren't obtuse or absurd as you claim, you've just never solved any of their kind.
You're so used to games giving you slight variations of pre-existing puzzles that you can solve easily because you understand the point already.
You're simply complaining the game is innovative and too hard for you, and that anyone who likes it is autistic.
You're a child.
>>332551346
Nobody cares about uninspired bootleg la-mulana with porn you'd just search for on e621.
>>332551137
This is really a matter of semantics, but word puzzles are not puzzles to me. They are riddles. The solution is often very outside of the box and requires counter-intuitive thinking. This is typically referred to as "bullshit" in most other games. For instance, in SMB2 (the Japanese one, mind you) invisible blocks and invisible gaps that you can only determine are there by failing to clear them. There is nothing the game has given you to prepare for this. There is no way to deduce what you must do. You must simply stumble upon what the developer has planned for you accidentally.
Admittedly, yes, I am not very good at this. I am logically and rationally minded and I enjoy logic puzzles, where the objective is often clear and the outcome is effected by utilizing the known rules of the game and nothing more.
You sound very angry to be calling someone else a child.
>>332550107
>>332550107
Replace Le Memelana with Rabi-Ribi
>Pic related, it's a superior Metroidvania that you can actually beat with skill, not autism
shovel knight is great
never really got into super meat boy
dustforce is pretty cool
squirreltopia was pretty shit last time I tried to play it
>>332551598
Give me one good objective reason why E.Y.E, Pathologic, and Hotline Miami are bad games.
>>332551662
Your post literally made me vomit.
>>332551582
>The solution is often very outside of the box and requires counter-intuitive thinking
that's called a puzzle you dumb little fuck
holy fuck did you go to an american public school or what
>>332551662
Sorry kid, nobody agrees with you.
>>332551598
Why is your taste so shit?
Do you have a 3x3 of favorites you could post?
I'm interested to see what kinda of games you actually like.
>>332551860
Last time I saw that posted, quite a few people said La Mulana doesn't belong that high. Rabi-Ribi is fine where it is though.
In general, La Mulana has very poor signposting leading to incredible frustration among many players. "Well I beat it so you must suck" - nope, you were just lucky enough to stumble across the right area at the right time, or dedicated enough to FAQ your way through any hard parts.
>>332551901
You were right to delete that post
Catacomb Kids
>>332552384
I was so enamored with the game that I analyzed it and found that it is one of the best designed games of all time--but sure, you can just say I was "lucky" or whatever, you're simply wrong and incredibly butthurt that people could "get" the game and you couldn't.
>>332552384
Someone else. Both games are overrated as fuck and have plenty of flaws. At least La Mulana isn't weeb as fuck and actually feels inspired, though.
I liked Wings of Vi.
Super Meat Boy is absolute glitchy shit
Shovel Knight and Shantae all the way
>>332552568
>>332552645
Anyone who says La-mulana is a bad game is literally arguing the sky is green, just don't respond, retards.
>>332551860
>hydra castle labyrinth
>better than metroid fusion
This makes me so fuckinghappy
>>332551860
Where would Environmental Station Alpha and Ori be on this list?
>>332552568
So explain why the 2015 re-release significantly tweaked puzzles, if it was supposedly so well-designed before.
>>332552854
Did I say it was bad? No. But it definitely doesn't need to be in a 3x3 as the "best of the best" of Metroidvanias, let alone platformers in general.
>>332553040
Ori's in "Great" tier along with Axiom Verge, Megaman ZX and Castlevania OoE. Don't see ESA and I haven't played it myself, so IDK.
>>332553040
The list was put together through polling, so I can' t tell you.
>>332553083
>Significantly
It simply put up signs to show where things were on the surface and how to use dais, that's all that changed.
>>332552854
I didn't say it was bad. You just can't take any criticism for your precious game because it hurts your ego.
>>332553194
Fuck, i'm blind.
>>332553083
Oh, you're talking about the original.
Yeah everyone agrees the original is a hunk of shit.
The remake is far superior and better in every way, that's the one people talk about.
>>332551860
>Treasure Adventure Game
It's so good. It looks really plain, but it's adventurous as fuck.
Mark of the Ninja is great.
>>332553321
It's not my game, and you're not criticizing it. You're spouting inductive reasoning as to why the sky is green.
>>332549096
I Wanna Be The Guy
if fangames count, I Wanna Be The Boshy
you're a casual who should leave /v/ forever if you haven't beaten IWBTG before
>>332553454
Actually, I was criticizing it by definition, I just didn't go into depth before you went into full defensive babby mode. Second, the sky is occasionally green, so stop using that saying. Finally, you don't know what inductive reasoning is clearly.
>>332553578
I've beaten IWBTG before and if that anti-Lamulana shitposter were to replace everything he said about LM with IWBTG he'd actually be completely right. It's trial and error and gets easy when you die to every possible jumpscare.
Also why wouldn't a fangame count, it's just as much of a game as any other game.
>>332550107
>no dwarf fort
Fuck you.
>>332553578
Fuck off IWBTG dev
>>332553724
>Second, the sky is occasionally green, so stop using that saying.
Anti la-mulana fags, everyone.
>>332553393
Wait for the remake
>>332550107
>shovel knight
>hotline miami
>nucler throne
fuck off
and while path of exile is good i would never say its quintessential i think this is just a 3x3 of what you played this last week
>>332551260
>Anything made ShovelwareForward
>Indie
>>332553852
You aren't making yourself sound good right now.
>>332549096
dust force, no contest.
>>332553745
>Not liking a game as much as you = shitposting
Okay.
>>332553353
I said 2015 re-release. It is aesthetically identical to the same version of the game we've had on Steam for years, and both are far different to the *real* original.
>>332549096
Underbutt
>Yes there's a segment where you cross platforms
>>332554249
Just call it the vita version.
>>332554452
It's coming to PC eventually. How about you just read what people type..
I haven't played Squirreltopia and don't intend on doing so. I 100%'d the other three games.
They're all excellent for their own reasons, but the one that I remember most fondly is Dustforce. Some of those levels were straight up demonic to perfect rank
>>332552384
Sorry you are so unilluminated in the ways.
>>332549096
Lol, what the fuck is squirreltopia doing on there? is that you squirrel-dev? It's a nice little game but does not by any means merit comparison to Super Meat Boy.
>>332552716
I tried to start the first Shantae earlier this week but got pretty bored around the time I got to the first dungeon. Fuck it. Does it get a lot better?
>>332549096
Is squirreltopia any good? I got for a buck in some bundle long ago and tough it was showelware.
>>332555313
You do know that the vast majority of the games Wayforward release are licensed shovelware, right?
>>332551582
The puzzles in la-mulana are literally just a combination of,
1. archeological knowledge
2. understanding occult knowledge
3. logic
>>332555470
sure they've made some duds but they've made good games as well soooo
>>332555943
In the very first dungeon area, one of the "puzzles" is walking into a wall with a hidden area behind it, with no visual signposting to indicate the wall should be walked into.
>DKC did it too!
Yes, but DKC never required this shit to complete the game.
>but (insert Metroidvania here)
Uses such areas to hide optional items, and probably gives you a tool to find such areas easier.
>>332555365
no, its terrible.
the dev shilled here on /v/ and i got a copy for free, its pretty shit
>>332557001
>no visual signposting to indicate the wall should be walked into
That's uhh, kinda because there is a literal fucking sign that tells you about it instead.
>>332557372
Where? Not him but I never saw this
>>332557372
I think the game needs a disclaimer telling people to read the manual first.
Cave Story
>>332557475
Did you not scan shit? There's a skeleton right in front of the wall (which would probably satisfy the desire for "visual signposting") that tells you that you can walk through.
>>332557620
Any post other than this is wrong.
>>332557001
I agree that this is a pretty annoying puzzle, but:
1) The corpse next to it says something about the dungeon being strangely connected
2) You clearly have to push the block. Either you need to fall behind it or you need to go through the wall behind it sometimes.
3) That block is exactly on the opposite edge of the map.
4) If you push the block from the wrong direction, it starts to go through the wall
So, there are probably better puzzles to use than your example. That being said, I think the problem with puzzles in games largely stems from the fact that you have to play by the games' rules (coding) when solving them. You never really know when there will be some new mechanic or snippet of code that doesn't really apply to the game elsewhere.
For me personally, I mostly care about action and combat in games, and La Mulana is pretty iffy in both of those regards. Sure, the platforming is designed around the limitations of the character as necessary, but the way they did it is not very good I think. And this is coming from someone who has played most 2D Castlevania games where your character is often restricted in some way. Regardless, I completed La Mulana and accepted it for what it is, I am just sad to see that LM2 looks like it will be the same.
Dustforce, easily. One of the best platformers of all time, not just among indies. Super Meat Boy's pretty good but as challenging or rewarding. Shovel Knight's good for one playthrough but not much else, far worse than the other 2.
>>332557847
I don't remember that item at all
this is pretty good
>>332557847
Do you mean the one saying "these ruins are connected in a very mysterious fashion."? That is very vague.
>>332549096
Vanilla Shovel Knight.
Plague Knight mode is garbage.
>>332555191
because the dev probably made this thread
see:
>>332557283
>>332549298
this
HOW TO MAKE A LA MULANA PUZZLE
>enter room
>door locks behind you, game saves
>sign says "try pressing buttons"
>you push right left square circle Left-C R2 F4 and finally, white button
>door opens and you get a key
I solved it, sorry your guys are so dumb ;)
>>332558697
>you will never be this upset because you couldn't solve a puzzle in a video game
>>332551860
>holy fuck tier
>la mulana
>great tier
>valdis story
>hydra castle labyrinth
>meh tier
>dust
that is a weird list you got there anon
>>332549096
Cave Story.
>>332551260
Shantae is mediocre as fuck
I liked Mighty Switch Force though, it was quite unique.
no spelunky in this thread, the greatest indie platformer of all
>squirreltopia
sure buddy
![header[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UmmLEYE.jpg "header[1].jpg")
Metroidvania + Wonder Boy + I Wanna be the Guy
It wasn't nowhere as cheap as IWBTG though, it's just that it had a lot of insta-kill traps.
This game deserves more love, it was some good shit.
>>332549096
It's Cave Story, OP. Shovel Knight is really fucking good, though.
>>332551860
I do.
La Mulana is charming as fuck but it's a nightmare to play without a guide and the combat/movement is the clunkiest shit.
It's a great game but flawed as fuck, so nowhere near top/god tier.
>>332563683
>meh tier dust
Exactly where it belongs.
>>332551860
There's so much wrong with that image that I couldn't even post it all in this thread.
>>332549096
Different platformers try to accomplish different things for different audiences.
>>332558697
nah m8, its
>read clue hinting a specific room
>walk into every goddamn room in the ruins just to look at their names because you don't get the map upgrade until like halfway through
