Who won last generation?
Microsoft fans will say 360
Sony fans will say PS3
Nintendo fans will say Wii
/v/ will argue endlessly about the criteria of what makes a console "win" a generation
>>332547827
>Microsoft fans
>on /v/
What
>>332547692
Wii did gangbusters. Between 360 and PS3, 360 did well in North America. I'm not sure about the rest of the world.
No one.
PC. I'd say PS3 otherwise.
>>332547692
Xbox 360
Nintendo wins every time. I'm tired of their gimmicky games but they sure know how to do more than FPS
>>332547692
nintendo kids, its like you all WANT to be remembered as the most bratty group of gamers in history. the way you act is unbearable. your brand loyalty is more pathetic than applefags. you dont even like video games - id be shocked if you even have fun playing things.
>>332547692
In terms of the quality of each console's best games PS3 > Wii > 360
No matter who won. We lost.
PS3
My favorite games were on the Wii and the ps3 had a really weak start but at the end they had the best library which is the most important thing.
>>332548031
PC actually lost with the rise of Steam. It's practically dead.
Activision with CoD sales
EA with sports games sales
FGC with fighting games revived
Nintendo with the Wii and DS sales then fucked up with 3DS and Wii U
Riot got lucky with LoL
Video games enthusiasts were the major losers of the past generation
>>332548227
There are plenty of OTC rectal creams, sonygg.
>>332548227
Found the Call of Duty fanboy
Ouya was the least disappointing desu zen pay
360 won the first half, PS3 the second.
Wii in terms of actual profit.
PS3 in terms of its drooling fanbase.
But overall, the crown goes to the 360 which dominated the console market for a good number of years and turned a healthy profit.
The PS3 was a mess that went overbudget and had to be redesigned with featured taken out of it until it just became a cheap plastic piece of crap.
It's funny that Sonyponies will go over "muh exclusives" and then forget about just how many of those exclusives came from companies that were closed by Sony.
In actual measure quantities of success, PS3 lost. Hard.
>>332547827
I'm a nintendo fan and I fucking hate the Wii
>>332548605
Remember the red ring of death and how the console had more than a 50% failure rate?
>>332547906
/v/ had a decent amount of Microsoft/Xbox fans until late 2010 and Sony/PS3 used to be a joke for three years, then PS3 became the Demon's Souls machine.
>If you have a PC and a PS3 you can play nearly 80% of all the games of the generation, missing out a few 360 exclusives
>>332548559
so ps3 won the generation then?
I mean would you say that the germans won the first half of ww2 and thus it ended in a draw?
The only objective criteria to work with is profit, and in that case it was Nintendo, hands down.
That said, last gen was so awful in terms of what it did to the industry that I want to call all of them losers. The Wii made Nintendo forget how to make games for anyone between the ages of 5 and 70, the PS3 pushed "cinematic" games forward, 360 had basically nothing to offer but Halo and house fires.
>>332547692
I used all consoles last year
Xbox was best :^)
>>332548721
I also remember the ylod. The PS3 had more redesigns and more features cut out of it. It's known fact that rnd went overbudget and didn't tell management.
Not to mention the Cell processor which didn't help devs since it was too exotic to work with.
It was a catastrophe but Sony PR was excellent throughout and helped cultivate the scene for the PS4 dominance.
PS3 still going strong
Wii sold alot... to retirement homes
>>332548605
sold more had less hardware issues, better games, free online, less rabid fan base.
Yeah lost hard really hard there xbrony.
360 had the infinitely better controller and played multiplats better, I don't care enough about half the MGSs or Uncharted to say which library was better, but Bayonetta runs better on 360 and I could not imagine being forced to play it with the shitty DS3.
>>332547692
The one that had Yakuza games
>>332549181
>less rabid fan base
That'skinda true I guess
>>332548515
>editing the joke out of the comic
>cringey consoles working together
>>332549181
>, less rabid fan base.
What planet are you living on?
>sold more
Sold in more territories and had more exclusive deals.
>had less hardware issues
Absolute bullshit. YLOD called.
>Better games
RaC titles are excellent. What's next? Heavy Rain. The half dozen other exclusives by companies that have been killed by Sony themselves?
>Free online
Well that certainly ain't the case anymore.
The PS3 almost sank the company and it's only merit nowadays is to show exactly how not to make a console.
>>332549454
This!
>>332547692
Nobody. It's arguably the worst Gen since before nes
>>332549637
I think the Wii-u is a reference for how not to make a console.Why does everyone hate the wii? It's literally better than the Wii-u and all the other consoles that gen. Also, I actually liked the controller.
>>332547692
Wii, clearly and objectively. last gen is the only gen with such a clear cut winner.
try ps1 vs n64 next time
>>332549754
Because there were zero classics
>>332548796
>implying the same couldn't be said about a pc and xbox
>>332549736
This gen is by far the worst gen ever. The only redeeming factor isthe indie game market is finally blooming and making quality content.
>>332549772
> still thinks the wii outsold the ps3.
They're still selling
>>332548721
At it's worst, the failure rate was 30%, Microsoft extended the warranty. After a few revisions, the 360's failure rate was the same as the PS3's, which was around 5% constantly.
Here's the real thing to ask, did the Wii's sales really matter when a massive majority of them were people buying to play Wii sports for a month and then end up having their Wii gather dust on the stand until it's moved into a closet to be forgotten?
Especially since the Wii's successor ending up being Nintendo's worst selling console?
Pretty sure Wii won in terms of sales. Even old people were buying the console for themselves just because everyone and their brother wouldn't shut up about Wii sports games for a good 2 years there. Xbox started strong but tappered off as the "exlcusives" it had all sucked. PS3 was nonexistent in the first couple years because the price tag but then it dropped to a cheaper price and everyone wanted to try it out, also most peoples xbox started dying by then so people gave the PS3 a shot making it have crazy come back sales and eventually overtook the xbox.
Neat how the generation played out but no bought wii "won"
>>332549928
Pretty much but you can't say that on this board
>>332549637
Not him but you must be pretty desperate to knock off points for something that only happened after that gen. Also, one hardware issue is nothing compared to all the shit that went wrong with the 360. PS3 may've been a $600 paper weight for a huge chunk of its life but 360 was a goddamn disk blender.
>>332550003
yeah it counts. Things like Wii Sports or Super Mario Bros being the "best selling games ever" don't count because they're included with the console though
>>332547692
I owned both consoles, started off with a ps3 in 2007 and a 360 in 2011.
Between the 360 and the PS3, the 360 had the far superior controller and UI as well as online.
PS3 had more exclusives, but only exclusives like GoW, TLoU, and DeS were a cut above the rest.
I think i'd give the crown to the 360. It was just more comfy to play games on, alsoHalo 3/reach were the pinnacle of multiplayer fps fun
>>332550003
Thats why there's no clear "winner" because there's no definition of winning.
Nintendo made the most profit from sheer number of consoles shipped. They were profiting from each console sale from day 1, unlike MS and Sony who sold them for a heavy loss at first.
>>332549581
That comic is older than you are, my middle school friend.
The DS
the current metric is sales, so Nintendo. with both Wii and DS
>>332549996
>At it's worst, the failure rate was 30%
lel no, many people had two or even three 360s RROD until 2/3s the way through the console's lifespan, myself included.
>>332547692
Wii clearly won which was why gen 7 was so fucking bad. Fuck waggle for ending the golden era of jrpgs.
Ps4: bloodborne
Nintendo: bayonetta 2 (no multiplats, just alot of mario)
Microsoft: halo
Pick your poison, for me its bloodborne
PS3 was a fucking travesty at launch and a garbage console.
It ended up selling okay globally and there is no denying the console saw some great games in it's lifetime
There is absolutely no denying though that the 360 was far more influential and innovative, if you look at the PS4 it's much more of a Sony branded 360 than it is a new PS3
On a sales, popularity and success level Wii.
On a videogame and utility perspective, probable the 360.
On the matter of exclusives and franchises definetively the ps3 powered by the legacy of the ps2's sagas
>>332548008
>the correct answer is the fourth comment
Color me impressed.
>>332550504
Are you retarded?
nintendo always wins baby
>>332547692
The DS won last generation. The 3 consoles were shit.
Shaping up to be another one of those with the 3DS.
>>332550110
>Not him but you must be pretty desperate to knock off points for something that only happened after that gen.
What happened after that gen? Psygnosis died last gen.
Superbot was a company made by Sony and then died after releasing one fucking game.
Zipper interactive is gone as well.
Or are you talking about the online? I'll tell you this much, they didn't leave it free out of the goodness of their heart. They did it because the XBL was a better online component than the PSN ever was. XBL never got hacked to oblivion either.
>Hardware
I still remember the failures that were cropping up with the first and second generation PS3 consoles. It was a joke. It outweighed the cons that the 360 had simply due to the fact that Sony customer support was AND STILL is terrible.
>>332548424
>>332550003
It's funny how Wii was somehow the best and worst thing to happen to Nintendo. Best selling console since the NES, made them more money than any person could ever spend. Yet it completely destroyed them in the long run because they had no clue to keep in good with casuals and they chased away all of their long time fans.
>>332548748
I bought a PS3 just for Demon's Souls
>>332550321
>What are statistics
I've had my PS3 and controller since launch, and neither have failed me yet, despite me playing a shitload of it. Doesn't mean I don't believe people who had to buy their fifth replacement controller.
>>332547827
PS3 had a more diverse library of exclusives.
360 had better multiplats and online.
Wii was fucking trash. God damn it.
>>332550785
Did the same for bloodborne again. But this news of PS4K sure is bothering me.
>>332550834
>Wii was fucking trash. God damn it.
I'd like to see you do better
>>332550634
Why?
A couple of years ago I thought gaming was dead, anyone else feel we are in a gaming golden age now?
>>332550651
>They did it because the XBL was a better online component than the PSN ever was.
Are you fucking retarded? XBL was based on however the devs wanted the online to be, usually P2P, it was never actually better than PS3, Microsoft only charged people for it because they were stupid enough to accept it, same for Sony this gen
They tried pulling the same shit with GFWL on PC but that backfired so hard that it killed GFWL
>>332547906
are you blind or do you just not use the catalog
>>332550874
I'd rather see Nintendo do better, but I guess it's more likely for me to.
>>332550874
I could take a shit and it'd be better than the Wii. Don't start this bullshit
>>332550834
What did PS3 have that was so great besides Demon Souls? Well, I guess the Last of Us if you're a homosexual.
>>332550905
>anyone else feel we are in a gaming golden age now?
With the way the new consoles are going?
No.
I'm still waiting for any first party support and exclusives that make me feel satisfied with a purchase, it's been three years and there is fucking nothing
And now they are selling a new box
>>332550834
Doesn't the Wii have a more diverse library of exclusives
>>332549060
Nigga, you're delusional. YLOD was in single digits and was due to technical failings on individual console level and not because of clear shitty design 360 suffered from.
>>332551049
This is gonna be a new golden age on PC when all the high quality indies are released. I already see hundreds of promising new titles and I've barely looked.
>>332551131
A massive load of Wii games ended up being shitty minigame collections that didn't work
>>332551037
MGS4, Ni No Kuni
>>332551037
Who said anything about it being great? I said diverse. I don't think the PS3 or 360 had many good exclusives at all last gen.
>>332551131
Probably, but a lot of it is genuinely awful.
>>332551029
No you couldn't. The wii was fun, none of your dumps will ever be fun.
>>332547906
We live among you.
>>332547692
Corporations. Gamers lost.
>>332547692
As in console you would actually want to buy at the end of the generation? PS3 by a longshot, but it was a slow ass burner that took 3/4 of the generation to actually rev up. Fact it's STILL getting supported while Microsoft dropped 360 like a brick back in 2011 also helps.
![early-access[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Kbofs9A.png "early-access[1].png")
>>332551157
>when all the high quality indies are released
Anon, I have bad news
>>332551262
>>332551198
There was lots of shovel ware for the wii but there also was good games on it and I don't think the other consoles really fared any better. I personally think these last two gens have been complete garbage for consoles.
>>332550972
>use the catalog
i'll bet you don't even use /frames anymore
>>332551226
>MGS4
>>332547692
Sales wise, Wii by a landslide
Games wise, PS3 followed by Wii
>>332551226
The only thing I know about Ni No Kuni is that its bad because its depicted in this comic
>>332551412
On average, I'd say the PS3 had better exclusives, but it was let down by many other things.
I've been an idort for a few gens nowbecause I don't fucking learn, and I think this is the only gen with where one console is actually better than the rest.
>>332551408
There are many early access games that are promising and already good.
>>332550905
Only good thing to come out of this gen or the last one is that it's easier for regular shmucks to make games, so you've got a wide variety of indie titles to choose from. Major game making corporations went to complete shit, though, and ultimately indie games still have plenty of limitations and far too often indie game success seems dependent on gaming media which usually choose complete bullshit to push forward.
Though I think they might be losing their grip. They really wanted Her Story to be the next big thing and no one took the bait.
E3 was a hard time for Nintendo fans
>>332547692
>Who won last generation?
360 won.
>Went from "literally who?" to sell as consoles as Sony.
PS3
>Went from +150M PS2 to 80M PS3 (at least some years ago).
Wii
>Not the same leage. It's like comparing cars and trucks. Yeah they have engines and wheels but they don't share the purpose.
>>332548424
>Steam not the best invention since sliced bread
>>332551797
>and ultimately indie games still have plenty of limitations and far too often indie game success seems dependent on gaming media which usually choose complete bullshit to push forward.
Not necessarily because Kickstarter happened. And I'm talking actual indies here not studios crowdfunding games they couldn't make otherwise like Obsidian and shit.
>>332548938
Winning a console generation isn't an all or nothing affair. It's the total sum of hours you enjoyed a console. The fun you had on the 360 through 2005-2008 didn't just magically evaporate when the PS3 finally started to outcompete the 360.
>>332552660
Winning a console generation is a matter of sales only don't be gay.
Which generations had absolutely indisputable winners?
Like how the SNES and the PSX won their respective generations so completely and thoroughly
>>332552134
Kickstarter was a real mixed blessing. A great boon to people who genuinely wanted to make games but didn't have the cash, but you've also got all those scammers and generally incompetent devs giving the whole thing a bad image and turning Kickstarter into a minefield.
>>332552924
That's just business in general though. If they didn't see that coming they didn't have realistic expectations.
The Wii + DS won big
but sonyggers will tell you otherwise
>>332547692
The PS3/360 gen was fucking horrible. What a shitstorm. Might be my personal life being shit during that time as well, but really.. You could easily survive on a PC alone during that gen.
>>332548605
The shear amount of crap PS3 redesigns pissed me off. I wasn't able to find an 80GB PS2 compatible model when I bought mine in 2008, so I had to settle for the shitty 40GB non compatible one. The console went from 2 HDMI out, 6 USB ports, and full PS2 backwards compatibility from the E3 showfloor to the cheapo shitbox that was the slim. Literally the only thing that ever improved was HDD space and price.
I just feel bad for anyone who settled for the 20GB at launch.
>>332551667
It's actually good, though. Nice strawman, though, I guess
sales - wii
hardware - ps4
gaems - nobody
Shitbox 360
>>332552862
Nintendo won with the NES and SNES, then Sony won with the PS and PS2. After that it gets kinda murky. Wii definitely sold the most but in terms of who had the most quality games it falls apart because multiplatform titles became the norm, so suddenly PS3 and 360 shared most of their libraries and the only one still focused on having a completely different library was Nintendo, but the quality of their titles became pretty questionable due to their casual kick.
>>332552862
PS1 and PS2 - best gens to be playing vidya (PC included). I feel sorry for all the newshits on /v/ (99%), who will never feel the golden age of vidya.
>>332552862
Atari 2600, NES, SNES, PS1, PS2
>>332551667
>I don't act like that, therefore the girl in question must be acting that way for male attention
Incredible.
>>332553647
I still remember how everything got casualized to hell with PS3 and 360. Fuck that gen.
>>332551667
"gamer girl" > girl that plays games
Girls are only valuable for their bodies, therefore a girl that recognizes that fact and enhances her image is most valuable. A screaming she-beast and a lazy sloth are unnecessary.
>>332547692
360 won early gen but then MS dropped the ball hard with exclusives and Sony got (most of) their shit together after PS Slim.
Wii sold the most but I was personally really let down with the amount of multiplats it was missing.
At the end of the gen it came down to PS3 and Wii. If you think sales are more important, then it is the Wii.
I'd also like to note that PS3 is still getting support such as PS exclusives, some multiplats, and firmware updates while Wii production has ceased together with its online servers.
>>332547692
2005-2009 360 wins by a landslide with unique IPs and Xbox Live, Microsoft gets comfortable and stops putting money into new games and just sits on Livebux
2010-2014 PS3 takes it by catching up and continuing to put out new games, ports, HD remasters with free and very decent online.
PS+ also made Live look like a joke by being a huge value to customers at the time.
>>332553989
Be careful not to cut yourself on all that edge son.
>>332551667
>Girls complaining about other girls to see who is the real gaymer lel
>>332547692
Didn't the Wii completely die after SMBB?
>>332551667
that bottom one is the same as the other two
>>332550003
Did the PS2's sales really mater when a massive majority of them where people buying them to get a cheap DVD player?
>>332554462
Sales are sales
>>332547692
Where is the second part with Pii U?
>>332554462
>a massive majority of them where people buying them to get a cheap DVD player?
Bitch PS2 was like 500$ while some DVD players were lower than 300$
I cant believe people favor the xbox 360 over the fucking ps3
the ONLY reason you need is FREE fucking online gaming.
>>332551131
Disney and Dreamworks licensed shovelware don't count senpai.
>>332554719
I think that's his point.
>>332547692
Anything but the Wii. I don't know a single person that used it for more than 3 games.
>>332554969
>Bitch PS2 was like 500$
Nigga the PS2 was $299 at launch and it dropped to $199 in May 2002.
You're right in spirit as DVD players of PS2's launch averaged $230 and in 2002 averaged $150, but your numbers are hella off.
Nobody won, we all lost.
>>332555319
>but your numbers are hella off.
May be, my country changed it's currency to euros and I can't remember the exact value...but I remember watching DVDs cheaper than PS2.
>>332555232
You know me now.
>>332547692
Wii sold a fuckton worldwide because it was so fucking easy to pirate games on it.
The game industry lost.
>>332552049
Fuck off back to /r/masterrace you idiotic teenager.
>>332547692
I don't know, but nobody say that the Wii didnt have a single good game
>>332553320
This. The DS was the only good thing to come out of it. This gen is turning out to be no different. The 3DS is still the only system I could recommend with little to no reservations.
>>332553989
This. I'd rather her try to even fake impress me and show me her tits than to have nothing at all to do with me
Wii and PS3 both sold pretty well and had pretty good libraries, unless you're one of those fags who gives demerit points for all the Wii's shovelware despite it still having a good deal of pretty good or even great first and third party games. However the Wii fucked up the industry in a lot of ways, and the motion controls were a detriment to the vast majority of its library.
360 gets credit though for most of the 360/PS3 multiplats running better on it and having strong exclusives near the start.The only systems truly worth it were the DS and PSP.
>>332554108
>I'd also like to note that PS3 is still getting support such as PS exclusives, some multiplats, and firmware updates while Wii production has ceased together with its online servers.
I haven't paid any attention to a 7th gen console since 2011 or 2012, but what happened to the 360 at its end stages? Can you still log into XBL and find full lobbies? Has there been a single game released since 2011?
>>332548515
>Wii's the lightweight there
kek
>>332554283
Yes, the Wii had literally nothing worthwhile after 2008. Xenoblade Chronicles in 2010 was a final gasp of life, but the system was so dead after that that barely anyone protested when the killed wifi. I think most Wii owners were busy getting caught up on gamecube titles they had missed or had defected to PS360 long before then.
>>332556784
>I haven't paid any attention to a 7th gen console since 2011 or 2012
...why?
We're like 3 years into a "new" generation and barely feels like it for me.
Even up until ~2014 it still felt like we're just barely leaving the outskirts of 7th gen.
>>332556784
I'm pretty sure Xbox Live for 360 is still running with paid online. I don't remember what was the last exclusive for the 360 and if there are any coming out. It's probably getting some of the multiplats, last ones I heard of were Black Ops 3 MP and a port of Titan Fall.
It was a joint win by DS and PSP both.
That's pretty much where all the creativity went since they couldn't afford to take risks on the other consoles.
>>332555865
Please enlighten me, how has Steam been anything other than a blessing to PC gamers? And no, "reddit" is not an acceptable answer in this case.
>>332556306
>Wii and PS3 both sold pretty well and had pretty good libraries
I can name maybe five actual good Wii games if I really stretch it, and one of those is the non-definitive version while another is a complete downgrade from its predecessor. How is it in any way a "pretty good library"? At least if the exclusives weren't for you the PS3 and 360 had all of the AAA multiplats to fall back on.
>>332557879
Platform-wide monopolistic DRM system owned by a company that's been progressively getting shadier and shadier over the better part of the last decade.
Digital distribution was a blessing to PC gaming. Steam has been nothing but a self-perpetuating tumor that refuses to go away. Stupid fucks like you who worship the thing deserve to rot in hell (but not before you agree to give out your phone number, of course).
It's a real boon to anyone who just picks up the completed games on release.
It's not bad for people who fund games they like by competent developers either.
It's also a boon in that retards will fund just about anything and give the rest of us a good laugh. I really don't see a downside to kickstarter unless you're stupid enough to dive in head first.
#1 DS
#2 Wii
#3 360
#4 PS3
#5 PSP
>>332547692
ps3, it had Drakengard 3 and Yakuza 3/4/5
>>332557564
I guess strictly speaking that's a lie because I still used my DS quite regularly, but I put my PS3 and PSP in storage in 2011 after moving for college and just kind of forgot about them after I got heavily into Starcraft 2 and got Steam. I think the last 7th gen console games I actually played were Black Ops, Fallout: NV (I raged so hard when I discovered the PS3 version can't run save files larger than 10MB) and Red Dead Redemption. Was there anything really worthwhile after that I missed out on?
>>332547692
360.
It did well in the States but also very well in Europe where it gained a lot of popularity despite the fact that the PS2 dominated the previous gen. Now PS4 is gettting back its territory for whatever reason.
>>332547692
ALL OF THE DAY BRO
>>332557879
>early access
>greenlight shovelware
>paid mods
>300$+ knife skin marketplace
>is essentially a drm
>give us your phone number
>user profiles you must pay money to upgrade
>user profiles
>streaming service
>"curators"
>godawful tech support
>you don't actually own any of the games you own, it's all just "subscriptions"
>>332550003
Yes. Because something /v/ and other boards like /co/, and /tv/ forget is at the end of the day the company is a business. And they made a massive profit. Doesn't matter if it "ruined" your childhood heroes are everything was dumbed down for a wider audience. They got their money. They still won.Nintendo can afford another half dozen failed consoles and still be in the black
>>332550008
Perfect post, on point.
