>Serve the Directorate. Serve Humanity. All other priorities are secondary to victory! DeGualle out.
>Your vodka can wait, my good Alexei. Come, stand here. You need to see this.
Also, what the fuck happened to the grim and heavy tone on the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GMOTrIjVao
>>332536959
Removed so that it could be about a guy and a girl.
>>332537234
Fuck this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqqEh-rWy_s
That's my morning alarm
My SMS is "Receiving transmission".
>>332536256
this game was the fucking best. Learned english with it, my first words being destroy and buildings.
Starcraft II's story is a fucking joke seriously. LOTV was a bit better but still ridiculous in many aspect
>>332536443
Yes.... I am prepared to go, all the way.
At least Stukov got his revenge in the end. God damn it, I hate Starcraft II's story.
>>332536959
SC+BR audience: 18-30 year old 90s HS/College men who liked metal.
SC2 audience: 14-25 dubstep generation
>>332541346
It's just so bad. An unmitigated clusterfuck, truly the defining moment when I realized I was growing out of videogames.
First SC2s story is shit, then STALKER 2 got cancelled. It was just too much man.
>>332538342
>Cigar marine
>beers in the bomb while on the mission
>gold tooth guy
Fuck they nailed the "rednecks in space" meme perfectly. Why did they abandon that rich memery? Marines in SC2 are generic grunt as hell.
>>332536256
>>332536959
Small but accurate part of why SC2 flopped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVqXE0kkDsA
>>332541552
>growing out of videogames
more like videogames are appealing to shittier demographics nowadays, see >>332541452
I killed him.
My pride killed him.
And now my pride has come to consume me as well.
>>332541627
I wonder too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eflKzcEbLk
>>332538342
I got yer Zerg right here, ehehehe
>>332540626
Building seems like a hard word to start with. What's your native language?
>>332541864
Never played StarCraft 2
> the stimpack is hardly audible
And now i never will!
WHO'S IN CHARGE HERE?
>>332542258
>damn you're ugly
Within the last year I replayed SC1+BR fully to the end, to get a non-rose tinted understanding of its story. I can say that SC1+BR stories are not perfect.
They have many plot holes and situations where circumstances and outcomes are so coincidental they feel placed there to patch a hole in the story.
With that said however, it was still decent and lightyears ahead of anything SC2 ever came up with.
My fav faction, Terrans, in SC2, it's all about Raynor finding his girl? Really? Even an elementary study of military generals would reveal that no army would follow a leader who mindlessly pursued his own personal goals at the expense of his a rmy.
I find it hard to believe Raynors Raiders would be willing to die in order to save KERRIGAN who at that point had already murdered millions or billions of humans, infested or not.
It's also unfathomable that there would be no groups, governments or individuals taking the law into their own hands and finding Kerrigan to kill her for her unpunished crimes.
Metzen & the SC2 writing team would have us believe we are all gullible fools who have no understanding of reality. Some may argue that a story doesn't always have to reflect reality, and to that I would say then this story was made for children.
>>332542724
>rocks back and forth silently
>>332542759
>I can say that SC1+BR stories are not perfect
It's true, also when you realizethe confederacy were the good guys
Also introducing the UED in BW was kinda dumb and unnecessary.
Thank god for cold fusion
>>332542759
Don't forget they turned Raynor into a pretty boy for SC2.
>>332542759
It's what happens to your brain when you read too much capeshit and anime, you get a warped sense of reality
>>332542818
WHERE IS THE AIR SUPPORT?
>>332543156
↑
>>332542991
I think the UED could have worked. It was an interesting idea. Now that SC2 is complete I'm actually shocked there was no UED involvement at all. You'd think losing an expeditionary fleet would warrant some kind of response.
>>332543027
Agree, his hair is always too perfectly combed in SC2. Should have been rougher. Also they made him look like he's been using roids & hgh for 10 years.
>>332543156
>>332543223
AIN'T YOU?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f96p-IhcZhQ
>>332543452
>You'd think losing an expeditionary fleet would warrant some kind of response.
That's exactly the problem, I knew they'd drop the UED the second BW was done because otherwise you'd just have a massive UED fleet come in and take over the fragile colonies. That's why they should've kept the sector isolated and alone like it originally was, much darker. Also the exiled-prisoner/redneck theme doesn't really work for the UED.
>>332543452
He looks like he's bald with a monobrow in his sc portrait
>>332543452
Worst thing was his dramatic change in attitude, Raynor in SC + BW was an unrelenting optimist, he'd seen some of the worst shit the galaxy had to offer, with the zerg ravaging Tarsonis, and the battle for Aiur, nothing seemed to get to him and that was part of his charm.
The few times he deviates from that is right before Tarsonis and his departure with Mengsk, and when Kerrigan betrays and killed Fenix, to completely abandon that personality for "muh Kerrigan" was just ridiculous.
>>332536959
>SC1
>multifaceted characters, interpersonal drama and political overtones
>SC2
>muh prophecies, muh corruption, muh boy meets girl
What the fuck happened?
I mean, it's really bad when your writing gets so bad that something like the original Starcraft is positively shakespearean in comparison to your current output
>>332543742
and a lot of scruff around his face to match his buzzcut.
>>332543851
fuck, you're right. You helped put into words why I hate his character in sc2 so much
>>332543937
capeshit, anime and cocaine happened
>>332542258
Holy shit. I've never noticed one of those guys speaking spanish.
>criminal upbringing
>sentenced to life imprisonment in the freeze tube
>one day out of nowhere gets unfrozen, tracks down and meets with Jim Raynor, his old friend
>Is only lightly questioned about it once, receives no straight answer and not questioned again
>is free to walk around rebel flagship manipulating computer controls
>Matt Horner catches him and questions why
>Its dropped
>continued full access to important areas
>Raynor never looks into his release
>Cheesey cliffhanger scene at last moment he picks to finish kerrigan off
>Raynor somehow pulls a weapon, aims & fires before Findlay can, despite findlay pointing an already aimed weapon at him
Ok
>>332544378
What is he saying in spanish?
>>332543937
>mfw !
>>332544947
The whole Findlay thing just leaves me puzzled. I have no idea what sort of purpose he served, although I kinda enjoyed the character. Makes me think they made major changes to the plot way too late or something
>>332544947
>Terran armours have huge bullet catchers in the gut now
just shoot me
>>332545131
He personifies the SC1 player.
That's why he's dead.
>>332545131
Yea Findlay was a badass, his voice was cool, and his character was believable. I know a guy just like him with his attitude.
>>332544947
I dont think they're very exposed when in firing position
>>332545131
bad writing, blizzard could have made his relationship with jim to be more intimate. Making jim's trust more believable. But cheap twist seem to be more up their alley.
>>332545265
>Play heroes of the Storm because I like it
>Whoa cool a siege tank character, I love Terrans
>"Sgt. Hammer"
>Who the fuck is this
>BBW human panda with pig tails
>le epic memeshit
>tfw no Edmund Duke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFeXqnlsSJU
"Now I'm taking orders from a pup"
>>332544947
Matt was the only character I liked in WoL.
>>332545467
It's exposed when they move at least.
>>332545573
apart from the mira stuff which i guess was kind funny in the context of sc2 he didnt have any interesting personality or dialogue
>>332543937
>What the fuck happened?
SC1: Pre Warcraft 3 and WoW
SC2: Post Warcraft 3 and WoW
>>332545862
I really enjoyed WC3 campaign but you can really see the signs of neo-Blizzard writing in it.
>>332545127
Hard to hear so it not might be 100% accurate, but from 1:36
>you are all always talking like that while you leave me here stuck in space doing nothing, it's hurting me
>oh my god, holy jesus, mother of god oooh
This thread has convinced me we need a talented, fresh writer to give us Game of Thrones in space, beyond Dune level.
>>332546062
>Game of Thrones in space
>beyond Dune level
uhhh
>>332542759
Implying Raynor's goal in SC2 wasn't to save Kerrigan.
>>332546062
Dune was shit though. Nice setting, shit books.
>muh jihad
All they have to do is go back to the basics and make it pic related in space again and they'll be fine.Won't happen because Metzen hates human factions though
>>332546348
I could understand it in Warcraft before they turned the Orcs into a bunch of stoned hippies.
It's incredible how Blizzard has managed to totally shit on it's own face these past few years.
>>332541452
>dubstep in sc2
ok m8
I completely agree the dialogue were retarded in the game + the two dlc
>>332546543
The campaign missions were dogshit as well though. The only redeeming factor was multiplayer which was a fucking abortion compared to brood war.
How Kerrivan & Raynor could have ended:
>player built up to believe Raynor might forgive kerrigan
>whole game happens
>near the end raynor lures kerrigan into a trap, cinematic happens, music goes silent, zooms in raynors face "See you in hell, bitch" and presses a button blowing a nuke which kills himself & her
>>332545862
Yeah, but that doesn't explain shit. Just because you write a simpler story for a simpler setting at some point doesn't mean you completely forget to write a more complex one. I've seen writers permanently move from generic, bland trash to more nuanced stories frequently (and with varying degrees of success), but never the opposite. It's like Metzen had a stroke that he kept secret from the world at some point and never recovered.
>>332546734
SC2 was pretty terrible but your idea is fanfiction tier.
>>332546734
How Starcraft 2 should have ended. After Zerg & Protoss campaigns in a single instalment.
>>332541627
>Confederacy is a glorified prison colony
>Everyone acts like red neck southerners
I always like how that worked out.
>>332541346
>Overmind was good all along even though Zeratul linked minds with it and said nothing about this
>Kerrigan wasn't evil, she was just possessed by Zergbits, even though she confirms she is in full control of her actions in Brood War
>Kerrigan is good guy who compromises her own plans to save lives, even though uninfested Kerrigan helped Mengsk murder billions of people with psi-amplifiers
>Kerrigan is no longer manipulative, just a generic villain with no stake in anything
>Raynor and Kerrigan's love story is the most important thing in whole universe, even though it was literally like three flirty banter pieces in the first game
>Tassadar is still alive lol
>Zerg aren't worms from a volcanic planet, they are spiky things from a jungle planet and are obsessed with bettering themselves
>UED never returns despite still being interested in Koprulu sector
>Nova is squeezed in everywhere because fans sure loved her in that game that never came out
>Nobody is bad guy, they're all being manipulated by Amon
>Duran has Dragonball Z laser fight with Star Kerrigan
>ANCIENT EVIL PROPHECIES
>>332543013
"Cold fusion" doesn't mean literally ice. Holy fuck what idiots.
>>332536959
>>332538342
The setting in Starcraft probably really closely resembles the Vietnam war. All the cynical soldiers, loosely obeyed protocols, corrupted command structure, lack of purpose.
Are the Zerg Vietcong? Who are the protoss?
>>332543575
It blew my mind in high school when I first saw this movie. I had no idea Star Craft was referencing it.
>>332544947
Regarding your last point, I'm sure that Findlay didn't want to betray Raynor and kill Kerrigan after all they've been through. So he chose to get killed by Jim instead of Mengsk. At least that's my interpretation.
I agree with the rest though.
reminder that this is where blizzard were going at the end of warcraft 2.
>>332548003
>The setting in Starcraft probably really closely resembles the Vietnam war
It had some influences but nothing more.
>>332547929
How the fuck do you know? Maybe ice is the missing piece of the puzzle.
>>332547421
Hey, did you know its the same in WoW too?
>Sargeras is literally misunderstood
>He's wiping the galaxy of all life using the burning legion so that some "Void Lord" bigbads can't take it over with their Old God servants
>Azeroth is the name of the titan sleeping inside of the planet Azeroth, who somehow is able to resist the Old Gods enough through ways we don't know
>Also happens to be the planet that has driven back 2 burning legion invasions, and a coming 3rd, as well as multiple victories on other fucking planets and planes of existence
>Azeroth the planet is LITERALLY the chosen planet for no reason
Great.
>>332548147
>humorous point-n-click
at one point Thrall's pants fall down while he's getting into a zeppelin, would've been great but instead we got CORRUPTION
>>332547929
>>332546939
I know. I came up with it in 2 seconds. forgive me senpai
>>332546348
First Dune is a good book, the rest are awful.
>>332547421
>>332547421
>>332548331
Implying they didn't go with corruption to try and distract people from looking at their spaghetti.
Try and reconcile in your mind pic related with where blizzard was taking it.
>yfw
Metzen you cuck what the fuck did you take.
>>332548615
>not enjoying God-Emperor
>>332547421
>Tassadar is still alive lol
But he isnt.
>>332548724
Yeah it used to be metal as fuck I know, still that particular adventure game really captured the feeling of Warcraft even if the tone was more light-hearted. The Alliance races are still pretty brutal in it and hints of the orcs former brutality can be seen even in their run-down state. When you click on the units in WC2 they make funny comments, it's always been there. Things didn't start going off the rails until WC3 and to a greater extent, WoW, which was nothing but lame jokes.
>>332549020
He pretty much concreted his brain permanently since Warcraft 3 to tell the same story over and over. Only the characters names and appearances change, nothing else does.
The way SC2 was, it's like he was inconvenienced by it and getting it over with because his boss told him they wanted SC2.
>>332536959
It change to pander to the new Blizzard audience, whose first Blizzard game was WoW.
>>332549226
>captured the feeling of warcraft.
Without the Orcs Warcraft is literally generic fantasy-tier.
Warcraft Orcs were chaos-worshipping badasses, and they changed that. They essentially took the soul out of the franchise and a lot of older players turned off while the MMOfags poured in.
>>332549358
I will go see the Warcraft movie this summer, but I am fully expecting it to be garbage. When that happens, I feel Blizzard will finally be dead to me for good, and I may continue my life never acknowledging their existence again.
>>332549541
Expect Orcs to be depicted as noble savages spreading what amounts to a hippy peace-on-earth message.
Warcraft 2 Orcs were literally "let the world burn! turn the oceans red with blood!!" tier evil, and they were fucking great like that.
>>332549101
"I have never tasted death, but this is a tale for another time."
>>332549358
>chaos-worshipping
Wrong setting bud. I know what you're getting at but they had to do something with the orcs after they lost the war and keeping them around as they used to be wouldn't really be practical, they'd just be exterminated. I don't mind them "turning a new leaf" and setting up across the sea so much as I mind the fact that the whole thing turned into a low-poly rainbow mess with zero writing. Thrall is actually likeable in that game but becomes insufferable in WoW.
>>332549820
> chaos can only mean chaos as in the ruinous powers.
Underage spotted.
But on the subject of Orks, I might point out that even when they lose they continue to be badass.
>>332549734
That was an illusion created by Ouros
>>332549820
>zero writing
Arthas is kind of a PG13 version of Elric with less whining, but I kind of enjoyed his arc.
My favorite thing in WC3/TFT though was how Arthas become best bros with Kel'Thused. What happened of that in WoW? Did they ruin their undead friendship?
>>332550125
Who?
>>332549697
>"muh evil" orcs were great
Fuck off, that kind of orc is literally a dime a dozen in any generic-as-shit fantasy setting.
They were fine in WC3 when they were mostly assholes torn between savage bloodlust and survival, it's when they became complete dindu nuffin's in WoW that they turned to shit.
>>332549962
It either refers to Elric or the Elric-inspired Warhammer settings, techncially the Burning Legion (especially Kil'Jaeden, Gul'dan etc.) would be much closer to lawful evil. Also I'm not sure why you're bringing up Orks here, completely different situation.
>>332550147
Arthas =/= the lich king, I doubt the merged consciousness gives a shit about friendship
>>332550147
>but I kind of enjoyed his arc
What arc? He gets tricked into becoming Nher'zhul's new body, the end. The human campaign was probably the worst of them in terms of writing.
>>332550518
Well, that sucks!
>>332550708
I thought it was neat how he well, though yeah, it relied a lot on Uther being a huge dumbfuck.
>>332550289
>Fuck off, that kind of orc is literally a dime a dozen in any generic-as-shit fantasy setting.
Except not playable.
>>332550289
Except they were made dindunuffins in WC3 about half-way through the human campaign when it was implied that they were not normally bloodthirsty monsters.
And no, they're not dime-a-dozen, not to the extent they were represented as in Warcraft.
Prior to Warcraft 3 Orcs were legitimate threats to every living being around that wasn't in some way useful to them. When Draenor was introduced it was implied even that they were capable of reducing entire planets to barren husks. This is before TFT though, so don't go dropping those fucking draenai in. Remember we're looking at the canon here BEFORE Warcraft 3 and it's subsequent retconns.
They were organised. They were bloodthirsty. They worshipped ancient evil. Arguably they were more powerful even than Ogres and even Dragons considering they ENSLAVED THE DRAGONS.
Fucking WoW shat on all that, and so did Warcraft 3 to an extent.
>>332550380
Primarily because with Orks you can kill them all but they'll still be a threat unless you burn the bodies.
And if you leave any of them alive they'll just go full kommando and start slitting people's throats as they sleep.
Anyway, this is a starcraft thread. I'm tired of holding onto all this hate for where Metzen took warcraft after the second game.
Fuck, man. I'm tired of it. After Warcraft 3 and WoW and Starcraft 2... Let alone fucking Diablo 3... God why won't they stop...
>>332551378
>God why won't they stop...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5KU34DrrPI
>>332551671
> marketing a tame product to a tame audience.
If Orcs were the way they were depicted prior to warcraft 3 the entire franchise would be R-rated, Yes.
Same goes for Starcraft and the Zerg. Both franchises should be up there with Diablo in places.
>>332552057
>Both franchises should be up there with Diablo in places.
Well... they are now, aren't they?
>>332552158
WoW and Starcraft 2 are both 13+. Hell fucking Diablo 3 is only rated M.
>>332552381
"Only"?
>>332552469
> he thinks this is acceptable.
The reason age ratings were so lenient back in the day was because you couldn't show as much graphically as you can now.
Consider this.
>>332552649
So you'd want an R rated Diablo? I'm not even sure how that'd be possible. Graphic rape? Live action ISIS execution segments?
>>332552774
How about NPC's getting flayed alive by imps?
>>332550289
>They were fine in WC3 when they were mostly assholes torn between savage bloodlust and survival, it's when they became complete dindu nuffin's in WoW that they turned to shit.
Exactly.
>>332550883
You're missing the point--they couldn't have continued as the old Horde once they were shattered and placed in camps with few allies and nowhere to go. If they were still bloodthirsty monsters then they would've been eliminated immediately. It was the lethargy that ultimately caused the Alliance to pause when considering their fate and gave them a chance at survival. It was just that in WoW they became generic milquetoast and didn't really do anything at all, their lore pretty much stopped advancing after WC3.
>>332546348
I see somebody hasn't read God Emperor of Dune.
>>332552879
Sounds kinda M-ish?
>>332552910
A few would have survived and become incredibly efficient killers. Then when the Iron Horde showed up they could rejoin them and fuck the alliance over even harder.
>>332553016
more like S&M-ish
>>332553016
Not if you add the screams. Also if that isn't R-Rated might I remind you that Assassin's Creed had scalping removed from that one game.
>>332549083
>>332552997
Total horseshit, sorry anon. The writing is really, really bad and the characters are so 2-dimensional it makes Metzen look like Shakespeare. Also, fucking Duncan won't die. He had some interesting ideas but was a terrible author.
>>332553019
>Then when the Iron Horde showed up
Dropped.
>>332553426
I don't blame you. I dropped it at TFT.
>>332553276
hahaha
>>332545831
Even though Blizzard said he isn't I still go with Matt as the Magistrate you played as in the first game. I liked the Mira stuff, and felt it would have actually been much better if the game stuck with the tone of the originals, just some light hearted stuff like that with the backdrop and rest of the games setting would have made it better.
Honestly I think they took, at least for the Terrans, too much inspiration from Firefly. The faction reeks of it, and hey I fucking love Firefly but it does not fit the tone of SC. They went from Confederate billy bobs to rootin tootin space cowboys with southern accents. The music and general aesthetic left its grungy, almost diesel punk look behind for a cleaner stream lined look, not to mention the music which was a mix of country and metal to, well shit the music from Firefly and some rock. The setting just got too clean, it and I hate to jump on the bandwagon here, but its too WOWish. Its this style Blizzard just injects into all of its games now, we saw the same thing with Diablo. Its not an argument of "colorful" its the detail and the textures and the overlays. It just doesn't work for me.
Shit, compare and contrast this SC1 design art which was in the old strategy guide/player manuals that came with the game to SC2 design art.
>>332553276
I believe you have completely missed the point, probably further than anyone else.
>>332546348
>Dune was shit though. Nice setting, shit books.
My own clone!
I love Dune, amazing setting, absolutely trash books.
>Stukov came back as infested Stukov.
I can't stand Blizzard.
Can we all agree that Metzen has basically ruined everything good of Blizzards? From the art direction, to the music, to all stylistic choices and the general development of the plot. You can see his hand in all of it, just tearing it down to his own personal masturbatory fanfiction.
He is a cancer, and needs to be removed.
>>332550836
Yes, because playing a generic badguy is boring as shit. Undead fill that role in WC3 and do it better because mindless skeletons and zombies killing without remorse at least makes sense.
>>332550883
>Not being stupid evil is equal to being a dindunuffin
The only dindu was Thrall, who had a completely unique outlook on everything. Grom whatshisname's first act upon setting foot on a new shore was killing the local nature god. They also pretty much universally hated humans and wanted to go to war with them all the time with only Thrall stopping them. They were still bloodthirsty assholes, they just weren't self-destructive to the point of stupidity. And even that only while being led by the most level-headed of their kind. Their entire culture still revolved around battle in WC3.
Compare and contrast this to the actual hippy orcs in WoW who wouldn't have hurt a fly if the demons hadn't messed with them.
>>332554146
Dune is some of the best, after God Emperor... everything's just kinda been a big letdown.
>>332554424
it's ironic that you would chose that picture
>>332554476
No you dick. The entire concept of Orcs became dindunuffins once you stuck Demonblood in the mix. Thrall only came about because the demonblood was sufficiently diluted.
>>332554424
Completely agreed
>>332554256
>Stukov came back as infested Stukov.
Would you like to be even more mad?
Stukov was infested and was in game back in BW, BW had expansions yes. Not many people remember them but they're considered canon.
There was an entire campaign about developing a nanobot based cure to cure Stukov of his infestation, and it fucking worked. All of that thrown in the toilet because "HEY WOULDN'T IT BE COOL IF STUKOV WAS ZERG AGAIN?"
>>332554424
Agreed.
But then again it's not like there's anybody else at Blizzard who has shown any sort of promise of turning things around. The company's gone to shit at every level.
>>332538342
>thank god for cold fusion
i miss old starcraft
FUCK YOU METZEN
>>332555541
>Not many people remember them
because they were exclusive for N64, yes, really
> developing a nanobot based cure to cure Stukov of his infestation
that's shitty writing too, you kill a character, death makes an impact, don't fucking resurrect it because "lol magical science"
>>332542473
French. But building and destroy being my first english words is kind of a joke on the fact that 90% of the missions were "destroy enemy buildings"
https://youtu.be/NbMgphr_dLU?t=3m6s
>Hey, wuz that?
>Hood ornament in a second
>I love you, Sarge
>Sarge just looks at him like he's a fucking idiot
They really put so much fucking character in a bunch of dumbass space hicks. And then they got rid of all of it.
>>332556279
>nanobots
>magic
>in a universe with space faring empires mechs, transforming tanks, and psychic enhanced assassins
>>332556819
Meanwhile, every SC2 cinematic ever: "Muh Jim!", "Muh Sarah!". They used those big cinematics to flesh out the setting in 1. They just use it to tell the story in 2.
>>332556860
None of those are nanotech, and huge dumb mechs were SC2 thing.
>>332541864
Dude scratch that. Starcraft and BW AS A WHOLE had much better sound design that Starcraft 2. Everything. EVERYTHING in the sound department was better. Because they couldn't make a ultra realistic game back then because of limitation, they used to catch up with using music and sfx as immersion.
Now fuck everything about sound we got so much polygons, right ? fuck that
>>332548301
What the fuck did that even come from ? What the fuck ? Is that in recent Wow ?
>>332547421
>>Duran has Dragonball Z laser fight with Star Kerrigan
what the fuck
>>332558437
Recent enough, I think. I dropped out during Burning Crusade, when it became very apparent Blizzard will do anything and everything to earn a dollar. Since then, been only hearing bits and pieces here and there, and I'm just happy with my choice of just never giving Blizzard a single cent since then.
>>332558898
Ya man. Psi-enhanced ghosts? Ok, that's scienfitic. Shooting lasers and magic pulses out of your hands just because? That crosses the line.
>>332558898
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA2NBrEKkzk
At 17min
>>332559132
There's a thing called keeping it believable within that setting. Dragonball Z fighting in a setting like DBZ makes sense. In SC, it breaks that and becomes very jarring and breaks any suspension of disbelief that you could excuse for other parts within that universe.
>>332536256
poor guys they were the only hope to get rid of xenos once and for all
raynor is a cuck
>>332559360
>>332556437
Ah, okay. Totally missed that.
>>332559781
There's also a cinematic that was totally not-anime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_lcMXQOjaE (spoiler of course)
>>332558898
>>332559132
>>332559360
>>332558898
>>332559132
>>332559360
Ok listen up. I think in any franchise or any piece of media I've ever seen, no character has EVER been treated like this.
I'm talking about Duran. Dude is literally the most powerful being shown in Starcraft original with his secret mission, which is awesome look into what's to come, by the way.
But hear this. Since it's a secret mission, not everyone has heard of it. So not many players, including newcomers, will know who he really is. It's ok, let's get them up to speed so they know the full story ! Or we could just erase him from EXISTENCE, right ?
So get this, they say "Narud" is a similar guy to Duran, and kill him off, without EVEN REVEALING HIS NAME, even if Stukov and Kerrigan, the two he wronged that are still alive, are in the fucking mission. He is just REMOVED from the story.
Then in LOTV they sort of adress that but shit, how can they screw up so fucking bad ? HOW ?
> watching a video of the cutscenes from LotV.
> Artanis lacks the moral strength to tell Fenix the truth.
Bullshit.
>>332547421
>Mengsk, one of the most devious and capable strategist in the galaxy becomes a cartoon villain equivalent of Robotnic in Sonic
>Raynor is a fucking prodigy steamrolling everything while coining some one-liners. One battlecruisers versus the entire kropulu sector
>Kerrigan, the most powerful force that has conquered the galaxy, decided to turn emo and withdraw her troops. Also lol we like Kerrigan let's make her important and not kill her away, we need a prophecy. Turns out she's not a villain she was controlled all along! We need her badly for commercial purposes guys c'mon
>Zeratul : I used to be a bad-ass assassin of ancient ways and tell others people what's it's about but now I talk in allegories and shit, and I have prophecies that make writers make shit up as they go in every expansions!
>Every villains looks weak, have no importance and just throw one-liners at you like a raid boss. Even Amon of all characters.
>Ok Overmind was a cool villain, but wait, he was controlled by an even bigger villain!
>Tassadar is alive, but they backpedal because of litterate people playing the game and complaining. So yeah it was a Xel'naga all along even if the dialogue in WOL clearly say it wasn't the case at all
>Golden Armada : lol let's fight it with Raynor just for fun, it's not like most of the protoss are dead from SC and BW. More dick-sucking feel-good dialogue for Raynor.
>Tal'darim : lol silly religious people let's kill them all and take their shit. Wait people reacted to that. Let's make it so they are controlled by an evil guy, say Narud in HOTS! Yeah so Narud sent you collect artefacts from the taldarim that were controlled by him. Fuck logic!
>Hey guys I'm stukov, remember the good games ?
>Duran : lol noone remembers him right ? Let's erase him from the games because I can't bother explaining who he was. So let's say he's someone else, then kill this guy, and never talk about him again or aknowledge him whatsoever.
>>332560530
why does Artanis have a metal plasma sword attached to his back
>>332542487
>you planned on playing starcraft 2
>its been released now for 6 years
>still havent played it
dude
you were never gonna play it anyways because youre shit at competetive video games anyways lmao
>>332564032
There's a bit later on when he gets into trouble and it starts go "ker-chu-nik-kunck" like a transformer and blows some zerg up.
It's like fucking michael bay is in charge of starcraft or something.
The reason SC 2 annoys me so much compared with the original is because of how cliche the plot is. SC ws great because it didn't have to resort to 'muh big bad super ancient evil', the xel'nga were interesting because they were a mystery, Duran should have stayed as an enigmatic background character and not an edgy shapeshifter.
Also the moment in SC when raynor swears to kill kerrigan one day is one of the most intense moments ever and it never gets resolved, worse raynor seems to forget all about the billions she killed because 'muh waifu'.
I didnt mind wings of liberty that much compared with the other SC 2 expantions, HotS just completely invalidates anything you do in the first one by having kerrigan imidiately become zergified again, if you wanted to do a redemption arc she should have at least remained human.
>>332567129
But they couldn't have Kerrigan as a mere human being. They needed her for their big story at the end.
>>332567129
>SC ws great because it didn't have to resort to 'muh big bad super ancient evil
>>332548895
>Moot, the boards are almost overrun. Shall we intervene?
>Take us to Google, Mr. Goldberg.
>>332567691
Overmind was something other. It was more sort of the "Unknown, Alien Evil" that couldn't be understood or reasoned with.
Added to this was the fact that the Overmind could be born, created and controlled.
>>332567691
He just wanted his children to be perfect.;_;7
>>332545946
Wc3 campaign was mostly the same plot as SC which makes it decent.
>>332536959
sissy years happened. it all started in year 2005. and now its 11 years later.
all moves, games, books are about relationship, emigrants and their problems in modern society projected to whatever husk needed: fantasy, millenium galaxy war or farming franzy.
little curious lesbian grils must enjoy games too.
>>332568587
You mean, mostly the same as SC2? Zerg/Orcs being misunderstood and corrupted by Demons/Xel-Naga, taking down The Bigger Bad...
>Starcraft and Brood War were just the right blend of bleak atmosphere and dark humor
>Metzen killed the setting because he wanted to write fapfiction about his corrupted waifu
>Zerg actually had named cerebrates and broods had their own character and lore
RIP Zasz.
>>332554040
>paci-FIST
>>332541627
Even the ghost with his buzzcut looks so perfect
>>332570340
I think he's just some technician. Ghosts are supposed to be actual badasses, not hillbilly grunts.
>>332568737
Big bad Burning Legion doing its thing, succeeding and then defeated at the last steps.
The desperate alliance picking up the pieces and finding a new home. The successor to the previous big bad doing his thing and barely eked out a victory at the end.
The main plot follows a very familiar structure with Starcraft. SC2 not so much.
>>332569571
what happened to cerebrates in 2?
>>332571017
I guess you can look at it that way. Kerrigan in the end of BW is more of a wild card than Arthas though, IMO. Arthas succumbs to the curse, Kerrigan just picks her own way... until SC2 and "lol jk she was corrupted, she a good gurl".
>>332570642
I think you could be right
SC2 HOTS have the one of the worst story ever written. I haven't played legacy of the void yet.
>>332571718
How bad? I only played WoL at launch.
>>332571017
That's a stretch. Blizzard just have a set of tropes story that they never changed since War3 and keep using over and over.
>>332571273
Cerebrates are gone since the start of Brood War to form the new Overmind. No cerebrates in 2
>>332560654
meh, it's pretty obvious Narud is Duran, but yeah okay, I see what you are saying
>>332573330
Yes it's obvious, but no character ever aknowledge their previous encounter as to not "confuse" new players. It's stupid. I don't think Stukov ever say a word to him.
What makes things even more fucked up about the UED is that the zerg AND amon were about to fuck up the whole entire galaxy. Youd think the UED would get wind of that
MY LIFE FOR HIRE
>>332560530
HNNNNNNNNNNG
>>332574317
> UED shows up and nukes everything.
Lol.
>>332558437
Its from an upcoming story from Blizz.
Excerpt summary:
Sargeras found evil in the universe through the Old God and their Void Lord masters infecting worlds.
He had to destroy worlds to stop the infection and when he returned to tell the Pantheon about it, they couldnt understand or believe that such evil existed that needed such measures.
Even when Sargeras' lieutenant who was there told them he also saw the evil, they didnt get it. So Sargeras turned against the Pantheon and decided the only way to save the universe is to destroy it all and remake it without the Void Lord Old God tainting. And the only way to do that? Create the burning legion to destroy worlds.
>>332574964
>Sargeras is now a JRPG villain
Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
>>332574964
Ok so Sargeras is basically Space Arthas. What the fuck were they thinking
>>332574964
Why did he have to make his minion look so evil ?
Also, sc 1 and BW was great in that the story was so simplistic
>non desirables get sent off to distant worlds as an "experiment" per se
>civilization arose, crude means in a dystopian future
>factions arose on worlds
>they began warring
>protoss just chilling and laughing at the hicks
>The confederates emerge as the powerful group
>the zerg stumble unto them, or the terran stumble onto the zerg (i forget)
>the terrans still war with eachother like the dipshit rednecks and prisoners they are
>amongst the chaos, TD is formed
>Protoss are like DA FUCK JUST HAPPENED and try to intervene
And blam. Starcraft 1
> The franchise ends with Kerrigan basically becoming God.
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD. FUCK YOU IN THE FUCK EAR.
>>332571273
Cerebrates tried to merge to create a new Overmind in the end of BW.
It failed and Queens now lead their own Broods, which is a shame cause we're missing fuckloads of lore for individual queens.
Also why the fuck are there so many god damn feral/mindless zerg around everywhere?
Didn't Kerrigan get her controll back?
>>332578607
Because blizzard lacks any fucking creative ability whatsoever that isn't essentially a storydump.
>>332578827
Feral broods and rogue factions > Amon's shadow people lolol
And now I know how starcraft ends.
KILL IT WITH FIRE
Fuck, i want to replay SC1 now
The OST was so fucking good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mzfnUIdzq4
>3:10
>>332574964
>they couldnt understand or believe that such evil existed that needed such measures.
Thats bullshit. They're the ones who built the planetary reset button into Ulduar.
>>332579484
>synth and trumpet everywhere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4oXOpWiFEg
It blends in perfectly for some reason.
Menks inauguration speech is still on of the best things I've ever seen in gaming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6bVj-nTkiU
>>332583319
You are correct.
>>332567691
The Overmind was an actual present and involved threat though. Not some fucking nebulous "Dark Force" that is just implied to be big and scary.
>>332583319
Shit I got goosebumps like it's 1998 again.
>>332567691
Overmind was cool because it wasn't just an "end of the world" boogieman, it was a selfish, omnipotent being. A living god.
>>332574157
The went with 'amnesia lol' to justify Kerrigan dont giving a crap and stukov throws a 'hey dude, remember me?. get fucked bitch' when you kill Duran
>>332555858
tfw can still hear it in original voice
sc and bw were my jam
Starcraft 2's final endstate isn't actually bad, and could lend itself to an interesting plot down the line if someone who actully gave a shit was on board.
Protoss
>Daelamm building a new Khala
>Tal'Darim being the best and edgiest thing around at the same time
Korpulu Terran
>Dominion has Mengsk getting offed because who really gives a shit about Varian I mean Valerian
>Protectorate being the true good guys of the setting
>Combine being a bunch of slaving nutjobs
Zerg
>They're back to not being under the thumb of Kerrigan. This is a good thing.
UED
>muh only 3 factions
>A UED force as faction 4 would be awesome
